www.CVOHARLEY.com
CVO Social => Other Topics => Topic started by: hard10 on July 27, 2009, 03:32:58 PM
-
While the FLHTK (2010 Electra GlideĀ® Ultra Limited) is not in the CVO line up, it still has many of the Screanin Eagle attributes. I'm sure many potential buyers will visit this site looking for answers to this new, entry level, CVO-lite bike. What are your thoughts & comments? I personally like the bike a lot. I like the color choices and the fact that it comes with the 103" time proven engine. Had it been availble in '07 I may have even bought one as an entry into the Screamin Egale family. What say you?
-
the fact that it comes with the 103" time proven engine.
Just shooting from the hip here but this 103" is a 96" with the big bore kit, not the old faithful set up....
Brad
-
Just shooting from the hip here but this 103" is a 96" with the big bore kit, not the old faithful set up....
Brad
I would imagine that it is the same engine that is currently available in the police & TriGlide bikes. Not the Screamin Eagle version found in previous years .
-
I think it is just a way for Moco to make more profit. They are really hurting right now- just like most auto dealers and I am sure their profit margin is much better on this bikes than the standard. I do like some of the add ons - I guess the marketing department figures if you can't buy the top of line CVO then you might be willing to spend an extra $5,000 for bigger motors and a few amenties.
Me I like CHROME - that is why the CVO really shined to me - I spent $4,000 just on chrome on my 06 Heritage. I like the 2010 "traditional" color schemes better than CVO flames but sometimes the metallic paint is nice, when I saw the blue and silver 09 up close it was a really nice color but in the pictures it did not look that good - I never liked it until I saw it close up not really a blue and silver fan but I would have been happy with that color scheme. I have not seen any other Ultras up close so I cannot comment on those.
There is probally no limit to the number of bikes they will produce in the limited (may not matter this year with sales down) so if the sales are good in the future then this might be a big money maker. One thing Moco may want to be careful of is - this may also backfire on them with the economy slower people may chose to buy the limited and save the extra 10 Grand - 10 Grand can buy ALOT of chrome and accessories, the 103 is a strong motor so unless they up the cubes on the CVO in the next year or two the size difference in the motor is going to be close.
I don't know if I were looking at buying a new bike I may consider the limited and just add the chrome and accessories. It would be definitely be something I would think about and that may be what Moco is either hoping for or has missed the mark on.
-
Just shooting from the hip here but this 103" is a 96" with the big bore kit, not the old faithful set up....
Brad
Bingo!
We have a winner!
Someone is paying attention!
SBB
:2vrolijk_21:
-
I too thinnk that it is an attempt to get get more sales. I second the thought of somebody looking to one up the next person for a couple grand instead of 10 grand or so. I too like the paint of the Limited better than the flames. I am telling myself not to judge either until I see them in person.
-
I too think that it is an attempt to get get more sales. I second the thought of somebody looking to one up the next person for a couple grand instead of 10 grand or so. I too like the paint of the Limited better than the flames. I am telling myself not to judge either until I see them in person.
My question is, if they are trying to get more sales, why do it with a $25,000 bike?? Why not a CVO lite sportster, or Dyna, or softail, or even Vrod. When I think of great bike deals I don't think above $20,000 for just a larger engine and a few doodads that I would probably change out anyway. My .02
-
My question is, if they are trying to get more sales, why do it with a $25,000 bike?? Why not a CVO lite sportster, or Dyna, or softail, or even Vrod. When I think of great bike deals I don't think above $20,000 for just a larger engine and a few doodads that I would probably change out anyway. My .02
It's an Ultra Bro! The Cadillac of Harley. I don't know what the sales are per bike (AJ will probally post that once he reads this ;D) but I would guess the Ultra is the best seller or at the very least in the top 2. I know that in the CVO group the dealers I stopped at did not have any CVO Ultras on the floor but most had several other CVO bikes.
There are still 2 CVO's on the floor at my local dealer.
I stopped by Bruce Rossmeyer in Daytona in Feb - he has ALOT of bikes I believe 1000+ he claims to be the largest dealer in the world and he only had 1 CVO Ultra (this is where I saw the Silver and Blue) on the floor but had every color in the CVO line. He actually had 2 and 3 bikes of the same color in some models. I counted 8 Road Glides.
-
My question is, if they are trying to get more sales, why do it with a $25,000 bike?? Why not a CVO lite sportster, or Dyna, or softail, or even Vrod. When I think of great bike deals I don't think above $20,000 for just a larger engine and a few doodads that I would probably change out anyway. My .02
I think the MOCO has learned with the V-Rod that 4 (a few years back) variations of the same bike did not really work. As for the Sportster it is viewed as an entry level bike and most people I have known to buy them wished they waited another year and bought a touring model or something more comfortable for a longer haul. I hear what is being said and I too think that now there are too many variations of the Electra Glide. I looks like they may have removed the Electra GLide Standard from the 2010 line up and added the Limited but that makes 3 or 4 if you count the Street Glide. As for the trikes...Did it go over that good where they now offer 2 choices? I don't know and have never seen the MOCO'S numbers to make a decision. All of this market stuff and people loosing their jobs and MOCO cut backs makes me wonder if they are going to lower production numbers in hopes to jump the market again. Maybe not back to the two year waiting list but enough that it may be hard to get certain colors.
As for the $20 + K year but they are counting on people who have been with H-D for along time and are looking on getting into something a little nicer that what they may already have w/o taking $10+ K leap.
Does anyone know if there is a number of production on the Limited. Is it some sort of limited production bike?
-
I like it. It should appeal to anyone that is shopping for an Ultra with future plans for a 103 upgrade. This way it's all covered under warranty, plus you get a paint scheme that's fairly rare. Add a little bit of personal chrome or other extras and you're good to go for under 30K. If I was shopping for a new ride, the limited might be first on my list. :2vrolijk_21:
-
Just noticed the FLHTK 103 lists the comp ratio as 9.7-1, the trike 103 lists as 9.6-1. Typo or ??? Still much better than the 9.15-1 in the 110's
-
... As for the trikes...Did it go over that good where they now offer 2 choices? ...
They are going for + $2K over list.
-
I was not aware of the $2 k over list. I did talk to my local dealership and they said it seemed to go over good for there are alot of older riders who still want to ride and can't do it on two wheels anymore. Never thought about that. They also said that it has sparked alot of womens interest. So maybe it was not a bad idea to offer two trikes.
My bad,
Topper
-
I would think that the Limited would fill a nice market niche between the standard Ultra and the CVO. Whether the engine is a bored out 96 or the SE 103, I don't think that the majority of the people that buy them will have a clue about that aspect. They will just see that it has the 103 engine and some of the other doodads that we have on our bikes, and they can customize to their liking. From the pics thus far, I think the Limited may have the better paint scheme than the '10 CVO's. That's a nice pricepoint to add to the lineup. For those that think that the MOCO just added the Limited to increase sales...well, duh. Sounds like a pretty solid business plan to me...trying to increase sales.
-
I got a chance to see the Limited out in the sun light yesterday. It seems those gathered around it were attracted by the motor being a 103" rather than a 110". That's a no brainer, the 103" are a proven motor.
It is a very nice bike that's truely set up for touring with the luggage rack, power point in the tour pack (for charging the cell phone, camera, lap top, etc. on the fly), heated hand grips, some very nice....easy to read guages. Let's see, I'd have to add Big Sucker air cleaner, a tuner, slips ons if not the whole exhaust, gear drive cams, chrome legs, chrome on the floor board covers and that's just to start. It's still a very nice starter package. :nixweiss:
Oh hell, almost forgot to mention.........the "Premium" luggage. It's the saddle bags and tour pack bags that have a bit of leather on them. Or is that pleather?
-
I got a chance to see the Limited out in the sun light yesterday. It seems those gathered around it were attracted by the motor being a 103" rather than a 110". That's a no brainer, the 103" are a proven motor.
It is a very nice bike that's truely set up for touring with the luggage rack, power point in the tour pack (for charging the cell phone, camera, lap top, etc. on the fly), heated hand grips, some very nice....easy to read guages. Let's see, I'd have to add Big Sucker air cleaner, a tuner, slips ons if not the whole exhaust, gear drive cams, chrome legs, chrome on the floor board covers and that's just to start. It's still a very nice starter package. :nixweiss:
Oh hell, almost forgot to mention.........the "Premium" luggage. It's the saddle bags and tour pack bags that have a bit of leather on them. Or is that pleather?
Hey JC, wassup man?!! :2vrolijk_21:
While I happen to think this bike is prolly the nicest '10 offered, the 103 you're referring to is not the 103 that's in these bikes. It's no different than a 96" or 110", just a different bore size for the most part. Prolly uses standard 96" heads and not SE or 110 heads. But the bottom end is the same POS as in all BT's since the '06 Dyna! And the bigger you make these stock bottom end motors, the more likely you'll wind up with a crank problem at some point in time! But this ain't the SE 103 youze are used to in your SEEG's! People need to be aware that all 103's are not created equal! ;)
Hoist! 8)
-
Hey Howie........
You're right.......not all 103" are the same. A 96" that has the 103" kit installed is not the same and not going to get the same numbers. The police specal 103" and the trike 103" are not the same.....however, did you notice a different compression ratio with this 103"? :2vrolijk_21:
-
Hey Howie........
You're right.......not all 103" are the same. A 96" that has the 103" kit installed is not the same and not going to get the same numbers. The police specal 103" and the trike 103" are not the same.....however, did you notice a different compression ratio with this 103"? :2vrolijk_21:
Yep, I like that! 9.7:1 I believe. Do you know what cam is in it? It'll prolly do real nice with a bolt-in 251 at that CR. ;)
Hoist! 8)
-
Yep, I like that! 9.7:1 I believe. Do you know what cam is in it? It'll prolly do real nice with a bolt-in 251 at that CR. ;)
Hoist! 8)
Yep, the stock SEEG was only 9.0:1 so that's a bump up in this motor. Some bolt in cams should make it move pretty nice. :2vrolijk_21:
-
Yep, the stock SEEG was only 9.0:1 so that's a bump up in this motor. Some bolt in cams should make it move pretty nice. :2vrolijk_21:
And they seemed to have lowered CR on the 110's from 9.3:1 to 9.15:1! Too much heat in em I guess! Don't set em up right! Just keep changing specs! That's the MoCo way these days!!! :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Hoist! 8)
-
the 103" are a proven motor.
JC
It's not the same as the 03, 04, 05, 06 version of the 103.
Ask Jim.
SBB
-
JC
It's not the same as the 03, 04, 05, 06 version of the 103.
Ask Jim.
SBB
Zactly, as noted in Reply #15 above! ::) :P ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
-
Zactly, as noted in Reply #15 above! ::) :P ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
Really???? its not a 96??? It is a 110????
-
Really???? its not a 96??? It is a 110????
The bottom ends are ALL the same; 96", 103", 110"; just bigger bores from a 96"! The 103 doesn't require case boring, it's like going from an 88" to a 95". 110" requires larger case bores! ;)
Hoist! 8)
-
The bottom ends are ALL the same; 96", 103", 110"; just bigger bores from a 96"! The 103 doesn't require case boring, it's like going from an 88" to a 95". 110" requires larger case bores! ;)
Hoist! 8)
easy way to fix that... Very nice bike, it deserves a very nice motor.. Stick a Jims 131 in em and they be one hella of nice ride. :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
-
The bottom ends are ALL the same; 96", 103", 110"; just bigger bores from a 96"! The 103 doesn't require case boring, it's like going from an 88" to a 95". 110" requires larger case bores! ;)
Hoist! 8)
Got it thanks
-
Photos at the dealership:
http://toppers-pictures.smugmug.com/gallery/9126187_mSiZ5#608292614_zfrN8
Topper
-
it's a very interesting model - do you remember how they tried to promote the 95 by "big bore kits"? I believe we can expect more "limited" 103-models to come 8)
I think it's quite a cute move.
-
I bought an FLHTK last Monday. I bought it for some of the reasons listed here. I was thinking about going with the 103 upgrade (actually, I would have gone with an AMS 105), I really like the titanium guages, the tourpack rack was a must.....all in all, I figure I am a thou ahead in addons by buying the Limited vs a standard Ultra with ABS. As far as the colors, the Vivid Black/Black Ice is totally different in person than in pics....I didn't like it in pics, or inside....once we got it outside, it really popped.
-
I bought an FLHTK last Monday. I bought it for some of the reasons listed here. I was thinking about going with the 103 upgrade (actually, I would have gone with an AMS 105), I really like the titanium guages, the tourpack rack was a must.....all in all, I figure I am a thou ahead in addons by buying the Limited vs a standard Ultra with ABS. As far as the colors, the Vivid Black/Black Ice is totally different in person than in pics....I didn't like it in pics, or inside....once we got it outside, it really popped.
FLHTK comes with ABS out of the box?
-
Yup, if it didn't have ABS, I wouldn't have bought it.
-
Yup, if it didn't have ABS, I wouldn't have bought it.
Had read two contradictory sources. Was just waiting for someone that had been hands-on to confirm either way.
-
I rode the FLHTX yesterday at the Canadian Hog Rally in Calgary. It sure lacks power, I just came off of my 04 SEEG.
I was not really impressed, expected painted inner fairing, chrome handle bars, and controls etc..
Engine lacked power, however that could be changed, I guess we are spoiled with the SE 103".
First time I rode an 09 - 10 framed bike liked the ride and the ABS.
I would consider buying one, however would have to do a s--t load of changes. Never had a chance to ride the Street Glide or Road Glide as it was raining and they cancelled the demos. But I did see IGOFAR's CVO Ultra in the parking lot, did not see him though.
This bike in Canada will probably be around the CDN $32,000 - $34,000.
geezerglide
-
I traded my 07 cuse2 for one one last week. The ride is noticeably smoother, better cornering, and no more smell of burnt flesh when sitting at a traffic light! The stock pipes are a bit throatier than the sewing machines of the past, a pair of slip-ons may be all it needs for more growl. The Black Ice pops out in the sunlight, a lot of flake in the paint. Not as much bling as the CVO, but some nice touches, and a lot less money. I noticed a little less power running through the N.C. mountains, but it is still stock, I was used to the Rineharts and race tuner with no tour pak on the 110. Compared the specs to my husband's 04 FLHTCSE, they are nearly identical as far as compression, stroke, bore and torque. At 1400 miles, I'm satisfied.....so far.
-
I traded my 07 cuse2 for one one last week. The ride is noticeably smoother, better cornering, and no more smell of burnt flesh when sitting at a traffic light! The stock pipes are a bit throatier than the sewing machines of the past, a pair of slip-ons may be all it needs for more growl. The Black Ice pops out in the sunlight, a lot of flake in the paint. Not as much bling as the CVO, but some nice touches, and a lot less money. I noticed a little less power running through the N.C. mountains, but it is still stock, I was used to the Rineharts and race tuner with no tour pak on the 110. Compared the specs to my husband's 04 FLHTCSE, they are nearly identical as far as compression, stroke, bore and torque. At 1400 miles, I'm satisfied.....so far.
Sounds GREAT! But, where's the pics? :nixweiss: har! spyder
-
This is what it looks like stock, I'll be making a few modificaions to suit my taste as I did with the 07 CUSE2
-
This is what it looks like stock, I'll be making a few modificaions to suit my taste as I did with the 07 CUSE2
I saw that color scheme on the showroom floor and they sure did a beautiful job on it. Congrats on the new ride. I'm certain you'll enjoy it.
-
This is what it looks like stock, I'll be making a few modificaions to suit my taste as I did with the 07 CUSE2
Wow!!! :shocked2: First one of those I've seen in the sun the metal flake in the paint is popping. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
-
Very nice! Now, you've given us the 'new' pic and we can always go back and reference for your 'changes'. 8) har! spyder
-
Beautiful Bike - :2vrolijk_21:- Look forward to seeing the changes you make to improve her
-
Just brought home a Limited last week....was wondering what to do to increase the HP. Thinking about the V & H's monster ovals....they say it will help.
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated!
Thanks
-
Hey UltraClassy what a sweet looking pic and the bike looks good too. :2vrolijk_21:. I did see that color 2 weeks ago outside in the sun and wow did that paint pop. I know your going to enjoy your new ride, be safe.
Chris ;D
-
Just brought home a Limited last week....was wondering what to do to increase the HP. Thinking about the V & H's monster ovals....they say it will help.
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated!
Thanks
Changing the air cleaner and the pipes is the best bang for buck performance increase you'll get right off the bat. Getting that 103 to breathe better is key to immediate performance increase.
:devil:
-
I have been looking at new breathers.... not really any specifications on them except that they are stage 1. SE stage 1, Big Breather, Big Sucker....any thoughts on how to select one.....or is the performace just a given and select the one that you think will look the best on your bike and that you can afford.
-
CONGRADULATIONS on the new ride. ;D Never was big on blue, but I saw that bike at local dealership in the sunshine. :bananarock: The flake is popping!! :cool26:
-
...or is the performace just a given and select the one that you think will look the best on your bike and that you can afford.
Do a search here for "roll your own".
-
Nice bike. I picked up mine Aug 15. Traded my 07 FLHRSE. Packed it up and rode from Norfolk to Front Royal on 16th, rode Skyline Dr and part of Blue Ridge Parkway on 17th and back to Norfolk on 18th. Just about ready to do 1K service. Will add slip on exhaust and air cleaner mod. Love the bike so far.
Ride Safe!
P.S. Guess I need to change my name and avatar.....
-
Nice bike. I picked up mine Aug 15. Traded my 07 FLHRSE. Packed it up and rode from Norfolk to Front Royal on 16th, rode Skyline Dr and part of Blue Ridge Parkway on 17th and back to Norfolk on 18th. Just about ready to do 1K service. Will add slip on exhaust and air cleaner mod. Love the bike so far.
Ride Safe!
P.S. Guess I need to change my name and avatar.....
Did you get that at Southside HD or Portsmouth? (Looks like Southside)
:devil:
-
This is the second bike I bought at Portsmouth. I really like the Team there. The entire staff is outstanding!
-
This is the second bike I bought at Portsmouth. I really like the Team there. The entire staff is outstanding!
They used to have a great performance tech there. I don't know if he still is. He's been featured in American Iron many times.
:devil:
-
The "new geezerglide",
Well I did it I traded the old geezerglide (2004 SEEG B/B) for a new 2010 FLHTK, dealer gave me $20,000 trade in value. Picked p on Wed. evening, am trying to put some break in miles only have 200 miles, will put more on Saturday.
Their will be mods happening.
Here are a some pictures Pic. 1
-
Pic 2
-
Pic 3
First of many modifications.
I had this bullet rear turn signal bar sitting around for a couple of years, now they have come in handy. I just changed the housings from yellow and put in some Kuraykyn housings with the red LED lights.
geezerglide
-
Got a note from Steve at Fullsac, it seems that they are doing a Stage 1 Sleeper Kit on a limited in a few weeks.....I think it will interesting to see what results they will come up with.
-
Found this on killboy.com
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LxZ4Mi3rR3Q/Sp4x2BI4aCI/AAAAAAAAaw0/JbkYe8D_fQE/s400/img_2572.jpg)
-
Found this on killboy.com
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LxZ4Mi3rR3Q/Sp4x2BI4aCI/AAAAAAAAaw0/JbkYe8D_fQE/s400/img_2572.jpg)
That was taken at the picnic tables curve on the Dragon. That guy has been riding the dragon since it was a rock road.
-
That was taken at the picnic tables curve on the Dragon. That guy has been riding the dragon since it was a rock road.
:oops:Not sure I was ever up for that. :o har! :drink: spyder
-
My limited with her top off. Looking at different seats and would like to so something with the license plate. Anyone got any idea? Thanks
-
From the rear
-
My limited with her top off. Looking at different seats and would like to so something with the license plate. Anyone got any idea? Thanks
Check out Post #52, have started with the rear signal bar, next detachable set up and license plate relocation.
geezerglide
-
I like that look....will you be able to mount the license plate under the tail light?
-
I like that look....will you be able to mount the license plate under the tail light?
Not much room with the new tail light
-
My limited with her top off. Looking at different seats and would like to so something with the license plate. Anyone got any idea? Thanks
Would a laydown license plate work on it? That might help some. :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
-
Update on my mods
Installed
V & H Monster Ovals
Stage 1 A/C
TTS tuner
Tour Pak De-tactable Kit
foot pegs
10 in windshield
On Order
SE MVO Heads
SE 255 Cams
SE Pistons
SE Push Rod
Let you know how the motor rebuild goes :2vrolijk_21:
-
Update on my mods
Installed
V & H Monster Ovals
Stage 1 A/C
TTS tuner
Tour Pak De-tactable Kit
foot pegs
10 in windshield
On Order
SE MVO Heads
SE 255 Cams
SE Pistons
SE Push Rod
Let you know how the motor rebuild goes :2vrolijk_21:
:worthless:
-
Mods upcoming within the next two weeks in Phoenix,
Headwork by Short Block Charlie
Andrew 54H Cams
Cometic .30 Head Gaskets
Tuner HD SEST
HD Ventilator A/C Assembly
Header CAT Removed by Fullsac
Supertrapp Fatshots Tunable (Discs) Mufflers
Will keep informed