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[muddypaws]

A few years back I started a lawsuit for a bike that had problems. Their lawyers never even asked for my records to see what was ever done to the bike and if regular service was ever performed. 

[Big Jim]

Anybody know anything about the buyback? I have several of these Tuners that I'd love to let The Motor Company have. I like the utility of the aftermarket Tuners better anyway. I do Hate to see Harley take such a big hit though. I too wonder what the implications are for the future of Harley Tuning.

[Fired00d]

Anybody know anything about the buyback? I have several of these Tuners that I'd love to let The Motor Company have. I like the utility of the aftermarket Tuners better anyway. I do Hate to see Harley take such a big hit though. I too wonder what the implications are for the future of Harley Tuning.

They are only buying back dealer stock of the tuners... not end user units (specifics of this are posted earlier in this thread).

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[harleychef2011]

I looked through a few pages in this section and didn't see anything regarding so I apologize if this is a repeat...

Since the EPA fined the MoCo regarding the PRO Screaming Eagle (NOT the Street Tuner)... are we now unable to use them?  I was able to purchase one with my 2014 CVO Road King and changed headers/pipes, etc.  I was thinking to get the bike re-tuned with the existing tuner, but can anyone (dealership or mechanic) legally use these anymore?  Am I better off getting the money from the buy back?

Please do tell...

[Fired00d]

I looked through a few pages in this section and didn't see anything regarding so I apologize if this is a repeat...

Since the EPA fined the MoCo regarding the PRO Screaming Eagle (NOT the Street Tuner)... are we now unable to use them?  I was able to purchase one with my 2014 CVO Road King and changed headers/pipes, etc.  I was thinking to get the bike re-tuned with the existing tuner, but can anyone (dealership or mechanic) legally use these anymore?  Am I better off getting the money from the buy back?

Please do tell...

They are only buying back dealer stock of the tuners... not end user units (specifics of this are posted earlier in this thread).

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[CVOStreetglide]

You gotta read the terms of settlement.

Harley paid the Gov't off without admitting any guilt to avoid going the very expensive llitigation route.

What is interesting to me is that these SE Pro tuners were in the "sunset" phase of their useful product life when the fines and recalls were levied.
Then the M8 comes out and quickly skates through the Gov' approval process.
Apparently Harley had already designed and gained Gov't approval of the new tuners. Then they started stocking the dealers with a new tuner which meets Gov't standards.   

Viewing everything together, to me there seems to be far too many coincidences occurring at essentially the same time.

Only Harley and the Gov't know the real story.

[HUBBARD]

I looked through a few pages in this section and didn't see anything regarding so I apologize if this is a repeat...

Since the EPA fined the MoCo regarding the PRO Screaming Eagle (NOT the Street Tuner)... are we now unable to use them?  I was able to purchase one with my 2014 CVO Road King and changed headers/pipes, etc.  I was thinking to get the bike re-tuned with the existing tuner, but can anyone (dealership or mechanic) legally use these anymore?   Am I better off getting the money from the buy back?

Please do tell...

Good question.  I was told it's business as usual, they just don't offer SERT's, moving forward.  If you've got a tuner on your MC, and need work, or a re-tune, bring it in.  It may be akin to the rules and regs I have to abide by, as a legal and licensed Commercial Truck Dealership.  My Techs are Certified to work on Detroit, Mercedes, CAT, and Cummins Diesel Engines, built from the beginning of time, to current day.  Now, if we detect an Engine has had its fuel system, not the exhaust system, and not the air-intake system, modified to the extent it will not comply with EPA emissions, I am bound by law to cease repairs, and to report it to the EPA, immediately, if that particular Engine was, in fact, manufactured to meet those requirements.  I've never had to do that.  We can legally "turn engines up", like from 475 HP, to 565 HP, as long as it has the Cooling, and the Transmission available to handle the upgrade.  It's all done by changing codes in the ECM.  Don't know if that's relevant to this subject, but sort of.  HD just got tied up in the bullchit politics of climate change, pure and simple.  That's that.  I don't have to like it, and I don't, but I have to accept it, 'cause it's the law.  However, those of us who are HP junkies, will always find a way to get a fix.  There endeth the lesson.  Later--HUBBARD                 

[harleychef2011]

Good question.  I was told it's business as usual, they just don't offer SERT's, moving forward.  If you've got a tuner on your MC, and need work, or a re-tune, bring it in.  It may be akin to the rules and regs I have to abide by, as a legal and licensed Commercial Truck Dealership.  My Techs are Certified to work on Detroit, Mercedes, CAT, and Cummins Diesel Engines, built from the beginning of time, to current day.  Now, if we detect an Engine has had its fuel system, not the exhaust system, and not the air-intake system, modified to the extent it will not comply with EPA emissions, I am bound by law to cease repairs, and to report it to the EPA, immediately, if that particular Engine was, in fact, manufactured to meet those requirements.  I've never had to do that.  We can legally "turn engines up", like from 475 HP, to 565 HP, as long as it has the Cooling, and the Transmission available to handle the upgrade.  It's all done by changing codes in the ECM.  Don't know if that's relevant to this subject, but sort of.  HD just got tied up in the bullchit politics of climate change, pure and simple.  That's that.  I don't have to like it, and I don't, but I have to accept it, 'cause it's the law.  However, those of us who are HP junkies, will always find a way to get a fix.  There endeth the lesson.  Later--HUBBARD                 

Makes sense!  Thank you!!