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[iski]

And that is exactly why I am considering an Indian or a Victory or a Gold Wing for my next new bike!

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[grc]

I have personally come to the conclusion if I have to buy a ESP because I know I am going to need it.
Than I had better rethink as why I am spending my money purchasing that product in the first place. 

    Well, that's at least two of us now that have that opinion.

Since I'm officially older than dirt now, I shouldn't be amazed anymore by the things people say to justify why they do dumb things.  But I swear I can't follow the supposed logic of not only paying a higher price for a lesser product up front, but then paying another couple grand on top of that for "peace of mind" because that lesser product has the reliability of a Yugo.  The idiots who bought Yugo's learned their lesson and stopped buying that crap, which eventually lead to no more POS Yugo's.  On the other hand, we have the people who have admitted owning several Harley's that have had numerous failures both in and out of warranty, and they keep going back for more.  I'm sorry, but no matter how much I might like the "style" (I'm not buying into the "soul" crap) of a product, I'm not going to continually let the seller of that product sell me an overpriced low quality POS.  The only possible exception would be if the person selling it to me was a really hot supermodel. 

Jerry

[Fired00d]

   Well, that's at least two of us now that have that opinion.

Since I'm officially older than dirt now, I shouldn't be amazed anymore by the things people say to justify why they do dumb things.  But I swear I can't follow the supposed logic of not only paying a higher price for a lesser product up front, but then paying another couple grand on top of that for "peace of mind" because that lesser product has the reliability of a Yugo.  The idiots who bought Yugo's learned their lesson and stopped buying that crap, which eventually lead to no more POS Yugo's.  On the other hand, we have the people who have admitted owning several Harley's that have had numerous failures both in and out of warranty, and they keep going back for more.  I'm sorry, but no matter how much I might like the "style" (I'm not buying into the "soul" crap) of a product, I'm not going to continually let the seller of that product sell me an overpriced low quality POS.  The only possible exception would be if the person selling it to me was a really hot supermodel. 

Jerry

Hmmmm.... wouldn't that be trading off one "high maintenance ride" for another? Just sayin'.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Panhead_Jimmy]

Hmmmm.... wouldn't that be trading off one "high maintenance ride" for another? Just sayin'.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

And just how long have you been saving up that thought for just the right reply?   

[Fired00d]

And just how long have you been saving up that thought for just the right reply?   

It was just to easy... it fit and was appropriate.

Like many guys I've test rode one of those "high maintenance" rides only to find out the "upkeep" was more than the "ride" was worth and it didn't come w/an ESP.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[WestCoastRuss]

It was just to easy... it fit and was appropriate.

Like many guys I've test rode one of those "high maintenance" rides only to find out the "upkeep" was more than the "ride" was worth and it didn't come w/an ESP.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

.................Yup!

[King2013]

It was just to easy... it fit and was appropriate.

Like many guys I've test rode one of those "high maintenance" rides only to find out the "upkeep" was more than the "ride" was worth and it didn't come w/an ESP.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

That's why I was more than happy to pay to be relieved of mine. 

[mark]

The ESP dabate again.  Reminds me of the "which oil is better" threads.  Common sense tells us this type plan would not be offered if the seller paid out more than they collect in premiums.  So, no matter how many anecdotal examples that are posted, the reality is that ESPs are advantageous to the seller, not the buyers. 

[Cat Eye]

The ESP dabate again.  Reminds me of the "which oil is better" threads.  Common sense tells us this type plan would not be offered if the seller paid out more than they collect in premiums.  So, no matter how many anecdotal examples that are posted, the reality is that ESPs are advantageous to the seller, not the buyers.

If you ride the bike more than 12k a year then I would say that the advantage is to the buyer not the seller....(it a harley and if you ride it...it will break).

[guppytrash]

I'm starting to think the dealers around here double dip on the ESP's.  They tell the owner its not covered because of xyz, so the owner pays and I just wonder if the ESP gets a bill too.
Only way to make the ESP really pay everytime is to leave the bike totally stock and who does that?  Cams, tuner, forget about getting a new engine under an ESP.

[SDCVO]

I'm starting to think the dealers around here double dip on the ESP's.  They tell the owner its not covered because of xyz, so the owner pays and I just wonder if the ESP gets a bill too.
Only way to make the ESP really pay everytime is to leave the bike totally stock and who does that?  Cams, tuner, forget about getting a new engine under an ESP.

Thats warranty/insurance fraud. If true service mgr and GM if caught would become a large mans Mrs...
Kinda where the term "felony stupid" comes from.
Probably not doing that but we do have the largest prison per capita population in the world..

[Lolo]

Manufacturers love to sell ESP. I  have read the whole thread, I think that ESP might be a good value for resell purpose. Might be easier to sell the bike if still under warranty.

[FLSTFI Dave]

I have never purchased an ESP on the 5 new bikes that I bought. So far other than 1 stator I have had no problems after the factory warranty ran out. But since joining this forum I am scared chitless that this new bike, the most expensive one to date, is going to leave me stranded one day.

How many 110's were sold in 2013? By reading on here one would think that everyone one of them has blown up! Mine has 22K on it and has been a very good engine and bike.

I have had two failed 110 motor bikes now.  First failed the day after I traded it, with 46K miles on it, it was just over two years old an 09 SERG.  The second failed 300 mies from home, on my first day of vacation headed to Bikes Blues and BBQ.  It was a 2015 SERGU with 43K on it, 2 years and 12 days old.  My 12 SERG had no issues when I traded it with 45K at 2.5 years old.

In 15 I was out in OR with some friends on our bikes.  My buddies 2014 CVO Limited lifters failed over 2300 miles from home. 

I know another 15 SERGU that had a motor replaced before 35K miles and 2 years of age.

Both my bikes were very good bikes.  Loved them, trouble free until the lifters failed. 

I have never had an ESP

[FLTRCVO]

Well, I have to toss my opinion in here. I ride my motorcycle, not as much as some but more than others. I have a 2009 FLTRSE3 which had a catastrophic engine failure with 83,696 miles on it w/ SEPRT, D and D Fat Cat 2 into 1 Exhaust. The damage was so bad it needed engine cases which means VIN stamping to go along with the engine rebuild. I extended the ESP w/ tire and wheel for 1899. for 3 years, 6 months earlier because, unlike others on this site I don't have the money to buy another bike and want to continue to ride.

The initial ESP cost when the motorcycle was purchased paid for itself in tires and minor repairs; the extended (3 year) ESP covered itself by $4440. since the bill for motor rebuild was $6389. and I still have 29 months of coverage. Also, I received a tire in Arizona under the ESP for $50.

If this is throwing money away, I need what I consider more things like this to throw money away at, because I consider anything with a return like this an investment; and this investment went quite well. Just my opinion from my pre judged and lived experience.

[ultrafxr]

Well, I have to toss my opinion in here. I ride my motorcycle, not as much as some but more than others. I have a 2009 FLTRSE3 which had a catastrophic engine failure with 83,696 miles on it w/ SEPRT, D and D Fat Cat 2 into 1 Exhaust. The damage was so bad it needed engine cases which means VIN stamping to go along with the engine rebuild. I extended the ESP w/ tire and wheel for 1899. for 3 years, 6 months earlier because, unlike others on this site I don't have the money to buy another bike and want to continue to ride.

The initial ESP cost when the motorcycle was purchased paid for itself in tires and minor repairs; the extended (3 year) ESP covered itself by $4440. since the bill for motor rebuild was $6389. and I still have 29 months of coverage. Also, I received a tire in Arizona under the ESP for $50.

If this is throwing money away, I need what I consider more things like this to throw money away at, because I consider anything with a return like this an investment; and this investment went quite well. Just my opinion from my pre judged and lived experience.

I agree.  ESP has more than paid for itself on my '07 and my '12 CVOs with the 110 motor.  I never buy them for any other product but imo they are a must for H-Ds if you plan to ride and keep them beyond the factory warranty.

BTW there is no deductible for Wheel & Tire - unless H-D has changed the contract since I bought the one for my '12.