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Custom Vehicle Discussions => Screamin' EagleĀ® Road GlideĀ® => Topic started by: bribe36 on March 15, 2011, 10:14:03 PM

Title: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: bribe36 on March 15, 2011, 10:14:03 PM
Has anyone found LED headlights for the Road Glide? I've searched everywhere and found nothing. Dealer was no help
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: Robmay on March 15, 2011, 10:14:46 PM
Yeah, GH has some for sure. Maybe he will post soon.
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: Twolanerider on March 15, 2011, 10:26:44 PM
Have never seen an LED headlight for the oval shaped Road Glide light.  Ironic thing is the round light that's newly available for the Electra Glides would also work in the old Tour Glides.  It's just another 7" round light.  But when the Tour Glide begat the Road Glide the new bike got the oblong dual bulb housing.  Never seen an LED light for that.
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: FNGw/08SERK on March 16, 2011, 10:31:01 AM
Yeah, GH has some for sure. Maybe he will post soon.
I've had these HID's in the SERG for 2 yrs without problems. http://www.xenonlink.com/H4+Bi-Xenon+HID+Kit/H4+Bi-Xenon+6000K/H4+Bi-Xenon+6000K+Automobile+HID+Kit.html

Inexpensive and lights up the road very well. But no LED's here.

Howie
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: Robmay on March 16, 2011, 04:11:14 PM
My bad fellas....I thought it was HID's not LED's he was after!!  :-*  :drink:
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: hdbrad03 on March 16, 2011, 06:46:41 PM
I talked to the Rep's that supply Kuryakyn the LED lights (Truck Light I think From Falconer, NY). They said they could make LED Headlight in any shape and said they may design a set for the Roadglide.


 :bananarock: :bananarock:

    Brad
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: BryantH on March 17, 2011, 07:34:24 AM

If they made a good set of LED Headlights for the Road Glide that are plug and play, the MOCO will lose a lot of revenue from not being the first to do so. Can you imagine all of the Road Glide owners who would clamore to get their hands on a great set of LED or HID lights with the proper optics, lens coatings and such.

I really wish the MOCO would do it though - hope they're listening / reading this.

BryantH
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: Crusty on March 17, 2011, 08:09:05 AM
If they made a good set of LED Headlights for the Road Glide that are plug and play, the MOCO will lose a lot of revenue from not being the first to do so. Can you imagine all of the Road Glide owners who would clamore to get their hands on a great set of LED or HID lights with the proper optics, lens coatings and such.

I really wish the MOCO would do it though - hope they're listening / reading this.

BryantH

+1  8)
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: DesertHOG on March 20, 2011, 10:40:18 PM
I just happen to be looking into the same option for my Road Glide. First, I don't believe the headlights in the RG are oval, they look like 7" round headlights to me.

I found the manufacturer of the Kuryakyn LED Headlight is Truck-lite (http://www.truck-lite.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/GenericView?storeId=10001&langId=-1&pageName=/home.jsp (http://www.truck-lite.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/GenericView?storeId=10001&langId=-1&pageName=/home.jsp)). They offer the headlight at $299 list.

I also found a retailer selling them in pairs for $490.
http://www.discountfleetsupply.com/tlc27250c-p.html (http://www.discountfleetsupply.com/tlc27250c-p.html)

Now that I found these, please play guinea pig - buy them, try them and report back to us :)

Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: BryantH on March 20, 2011, 11:17:40 PM

The headlights in the Road Glide are not 7" round. They are oval shaped and only offered on the Road Glide - hope this helps. The headlights you found DesertHog will not fit the Road Glide.

Respectfully speaking - no harm no worries.

BryantH
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: Twolanerider on March 20, 2011, 11:41:40 PM

I just happen to be looking into the same option for my Road Glide. First, I don't believe the headlights in the RG are oval, they look like 7" round headlights to me.



They do look that way (round).  But they're not as them seem on a quick look.  The individual light housings are round.  But those two light housings aren't separate pieces.  They're part of the larger oval housing that makes up the complete two light headlight assembly.
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: DesertHOG on March 21, 2011, 01:07:45 AM
The headlights in the Road Glide are not 7" round. They are oval shaped and only offered on the Road Glide - hope this helps. The headlights you found DesertHog will not fit the Road Glide.

Respectfully speaking - no harm no worries.

BryantH

Wow, learn something new everyday. I will have to take a closer look at the light housing. They sure have a great optical illusion going.
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: DesertHOG on March 24, 2011, 04:41:48 PM

They do look that way (round).  But they're not as them seem on a quick look.  The individual light housings are round.  But those two light housings aren't separate pieces.  They're part of the larger oval housing that makes up the complete two light headlight assembly.

So I am still in the learning phase on this one. I happened across a couple of pictures of a Road Glide headlight housing assembly. So the assembly is oval and has what appears to be two 7" round headlights contained within the oval housing. What prevents me from replacing the two round headlights with the two of the Truck-Lite LED Headlights?

Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: Twolanerider on March 24, 2011, 09:25:53 PM

What prevents me from replacing the two round headlights with the two of the Truck-Lite LED Headlights?



It's all one piece. 
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: DesertHOG on March 24, 2011, 09:39:36 PM

It's all one piece. 

So if a lens cracks, you have to purchase the complete assemby, you can't just replace a headlight. What a scam.
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: Twolanerider on March 24, 2011, 09:46:34 PM
So if a lens cracks, you have to purchase the complete assemby, you can't just replace a headlight. What a scam.

The entire light housing; yes.  Just like a lot of automobiles or the Electra Glides with the dual H9 and H11 bulbs.  We're long passed the days of sealed beams.  So whatever is the light housing for a particular application is what must be replaced if it's damaged.
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: NVWLDTHG on March 24, 2011, 10:16:45 PM
Excuse me.  Each headlight (there are two of them) is a individual reflector-lens unit for both domestic and euro rides.  You can replace each separately.  

And, the lens is not round.

See the parts book page on this page;


http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=51970.0

or, this page with a picture showing the not round shape;

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=55370.0
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: DesertHOG on March 24, 2011, 10:34:23 PM
Excuse me.  Each headlight (there are two of them) is a individual reflector-lens unit for both domestic and euro rides.  You can replace each separately.  

And, the lens is not round.

See the parts book page on this page;


http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=51970.0

or, this page with a picture showing the not round shape;

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=55370.0

I won't be able the really tell until it is apart and I can see it up close. I have the parts manual and it looks like some of the parts are sold as a group or assembly under a single part number, even though the exploded view in the manual shows a lot of parts with part numbers. If the plastic housing is somehow bonded to the lamps then disassembly might be problematic. Then again, you might just be able to chop it apart, replace the lamps and bond it back together.

I will know with certainty in a few weeks.

Simon
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: NVWLDTHG on March 24, 2011, 10:51:32 PM
Well, keep us informed on your progress.  It may be possible to mount the new cans in the assembly.  And, as they have what appear to be flat lens still get the bezel mounted on top of them.  You might lose the very top and bottom of each, but it has potential.  Please take before and after pictures of the each light pattern at night for comparison and post em if it works.  We'll all be thankful.
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: Twolanerider on March 25, 2011, 12:00:11 AM

Excuse me.  Each headlight (there are two of them) is a individual reflector-lens unit for both domestic and euro rides.  



To completely flesh this out yes they are, and no they're not.  It depends on the year.  09 and up has two separated reflectors that are round (or at least round-ish).  They aren't a standard 7" headlight bucket though.  So the LED housings in question still can't fit in the holes these reflector housings mate to.  Prior to 09, however, it's as has been described previously with the entire housing and both reflectors all in one inseparable assembly. 

09 and up pictured here:

Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: Twolanerider on March 25, 2011, 12:00:59 AM
08 and all Road Glides prior shown here:

Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: NVWLDTHG on March 25, 2011, 09:18:10 AM
Good job twolane clearing uo the production year differences.  Thank you,
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: petewerner on April 06, 2012, 07:52:42 PM
I know this is a year old but, thing have progressed since the question was asked. Now there is a kit for RoadGlides designed by Holeshot Choppers and it is unreal how much light they put out! There are some pics on here some where, or hit me up and I will send u some photos that I took the last couple of weeks.
These could be landing lights for 777, but all I know is I'm not getting flashed by oncoming drivers, but I sure can see EVERYTHING in front of me for a very, very log way off.
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: admccrea on April 06, 2012, 08:14:09 PM
nice but a little pricey!

http://holeshotchoppers.com/led-lights/
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: petewerner on April 07, 2012, 09:11:58 AM
Yeah, maybe so, but there is really nothing else on the market for a RoadGlide. I will be REALLY surprised when or if, an LED lighting system that is cheaper. We have basically 2 regular full sized (although not round) headlights and when u start adding the cost of a couple of any standard size (won't work) and they add up to a lot more than HoleShot Choppers complete system including the plug and play with the electrical.
I have been looking at doing this for a long time and could not find a way forward short of doing what Big Jim has done here. As soon as I saw his, I knew I could build something if I could get the lights themselves, I would've spent a bunch more time and money to try and get to where I am with 650 well spent dollars!! :D
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: Indenial on May 07, 2012, 12:05:13 PM
I have something similar to the Bi-xenon---http://www.xenonlink.com/H4+Bi-Xenon+HID+Kit/H4+Bi-Xenon+6000K/H4+Bi-Xenon+6000K+Automobile+HID+Kit.html

They work really well and you use the original RoadGlide light housing, just change the bulb and install the ballast.
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: BigLew55 on May 07, 2012, 01:13:22 PM
Here's another, slightly more radical, option:
http://www.sinisterindustries.com/store/shop/item.aspx/gangsta-glide-fairing/139/
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: GregKhougaz on May 07, 2012, 03:21:17 PM
Interesting... a shark nosed bat wing?   :confused5:
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: BigLew55 on May 07, 2012, 04:11:13 PM
Interesting... a shark nosed bat wing?   :confused5:

I thought it wasa cyclops shark!  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: GregKhougaz on May 07, 2012, 04:13:46 PM
By God, I think you're right!
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: petewerner on May 07, 2012, 08:59:30 PM
Here is a current view of my HoleShot lighting and I am happy as punch!
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: captainron62 on May 13, 2012, 10:27:43 PM

    Just an FYI, I was at HD University in April, we were told the LED headlight system for RG is in developement and engineering right now.  The two hold ups are cost, and weight.  Once those are worked out it will be in production.  We were told the LED system is currently three times the weight of the stock system and that is a big deal with the way it is mounted.
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: bakes on May 21, 2012, 09:47:12 PM
Can someone educate me for a second.  It looks like LED lights don't require a ballast , like the HID aftermarket lights.  Is that correct?
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: GregKhougaz on May 21, 2012, 11:01:14 PM
Can someone educate me for a second.  It looks like LED lights don't require a ballast , like the HID aftermarket lights.  Is that correct?

Correct.   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: petewerner on May 22, 2012, 11:05:32 AM
    Just an FYI, I was at HD University in April, we were told the LED headlight system for RG is in developement and engineering right now.  The two hold ups are cost, and weight.  Once those are worked out it will be in production.  We were told the LED system is currently three times the weight of the stock system and that is a big deal with the way it is mounted.

I don't know how they could possibly make it weight more than stock, but 3 times as much??? Wow it will be interesting, I wonder if they are using glass?? In the mean time, I can see great!!!
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: jettjocky on June 15, 2012, 12:35:08 PM
I don't ride very much at night...... so these have never been a big priority to me,  however, having said that, the lamps on the RG are terribile, we know this & so does HD,  I anticipate HIDs or LEDS being offered in plug & play soon from someone,  & I'll be frist in line to purchase when they are available.  :(
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: Midnight Rider on June 15, 2012, 12:48:13 PM
I don't ride very much at night...... so these have never been a big priority to me,  however, having said that, the lamps on the RG are terribile, we know this & so does HD,  I anticipate HIDs or LEDS being offered in plug & play soon from someone,  & I'll be frist in line to purchase when they are available.  :(

HID's are already plug and play, especially if you don't get both high and low beams...all you really need is the low beam to be HID.  The only issue with HID's is the HD garage door opener will probably not work, but there are a couple of work arounds for that issue.

LED's are great, but I ain't paying $700 + for a headlight.  But, that's just me...
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: Gank on June 15, 2012, 02:34:13 PM
Yes they cost more, but they will last a million years.... think of the children :)
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: petewerner on June 15, 2012, 10:07:01 PM
I hope that no one else buys them, right now they are a one of a kind setup here and I like that. The lighting is the best on RG's of any bike out there once u get the HoleShot Chopper kit installed. I rode with 700+ people a couple weeks ago and the cops told me after the ride that my lights stood out better than any other bike in the ride.
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: SBB on June 16, 2012, 12:13:35 AM
I don't know how they could possibly make it weight more than stock, but 3 times as much??? Wow it will be interesting, I wonder if they are using glass?? In the mean time, I can see great!!!

I did the LED's headlight and LED spots for the 11.5 SEUC today.
I held the stock light and the LED headlight in each hand before installation.
The LED light is much heavier.
I can imagine that with two LED headlights that are heavier than the stock lamps there may be issues with the brackets that would support the led lights.
I guess not only did Harley have to have oval LED headlights made but also had to redesign the assembly that holds them.
I will wait for the Harley RG LED's.

SBB


Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: petewerner on June 16, 2012, 08:47:15 AM
Good 4 u.
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: petewerner on June 16, 2012, 08:51:46 AM
And u need to compare these to stock, not some other brand or design. And those things that u are stating as fact, are not true in this case. And so far they have not broken and fallen out as u imply. Small minds don't ever advance any idea to reality... I had thought that u were someone that seemed to have an open mind...
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: SBB on June 16, 2012, 09:39:57 AM
And u need to compare these to stock, not some other brand or design. And those things that u are stating as fact, are not true in this case. And so far they have not broken and fallen out as u imply. Small minds don't ever advance any idea to reality... I had thought that u were someone that seemed to have an open mind...

It's funny when those that feel a need to promote their own agenda are really the ones that don't listen to others.

Quote
And those things that u are stating as fact

I only stated two facts in my post.
1)  The Harley LED light is heavier than stock.
2)  I will wait for Harley to produce their own LED headlight for the RG before I buy any.

When I use terms such as "I guess" or "I can only imagine" that really means it's just my opinion.
Those opinions may be proven as fact at some point, but that has yet to be determined.
I do know that when installing the LED light in the 11.5 SEUC extra screws were added to help support the extra weight.
So with heavier LED lights from Harley mounted in stock brackets I suspect different or modified brackets for the RG might be a good idea.
(please note the use of "I suspect or might" means it's just my opinion, not fact)

 ;D

SBB

Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: petewerner on June 16, 2012, 08:55:52 PM
Thanks for clearing THAT up!! :D
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: SBB on August 21, 2012, 10:49:43 AM
Here they are.
Black LED's for the SERG's.

http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/gma_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524448779926&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374309042516&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374309042516&locale=en_US&locale=en_US&bmUID=1345560211011&bmLocale=en_US

SBB
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: Crusty on August 21, 2012, 11:14:02 AM
Here they are.
Black LED's for the SERG's.

http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/gma_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524448779926&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374309042516&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374309042516&locale=en_US&locale=en_US&bmUID=1345560211011&bmLocale=en_US

SBB

Thanks for the link!

Not cheap... will wait for the first couple guinea pigs to buy them and post feedback  lol
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: SBB on August 21, 2012, 11:18:47 AM
will wait for the first couple guinea pigs to buy them and post feedback  lol


 ::)

That will be me!

 :2vrolijk_21:

SBB
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: darth davidson on August 21, 2012, 11:28:21 AM
::)

That will be me!

 :2vrolijk_21:

SBB

AND ME :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: DesertHOG on August 21, 2012, 12:49:30 PM
AND ME :2vrolijk_21:

AND ME, MAKES 3!

Wonder if there is a HD dealer somewhere interested in a Group Buy?
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: SBB on August 21, 2012, 01:36:45 PM
AND ME, MAKES 3!

Wonder if there is a HD dealer somewhere interested in a Group Buy?

I have two sets on order so a group buy would be very attractive.

 ;)

SBB
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: Twolanerider on August 21, 2012, 01:41:06 PM
I have two sets on order so a group buy would be very attractive.

 ;)

SBB

Two?  The fitment description says 2004 and newer Chip.

Don't have a clue why though.  My old SERG has the much newer model international light housing.  Have swapped light housings in to a couple of other older Road Glides also.  No idea what HD's disqualifying distinction is from 03 to 04.
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: SBB on August 21, 2012, 02:26:34 PM
Two?  The fitment description says 2004 and newer Chip.

Don't have a clue why though.  My old Classic SERG has the much newer model international light housing.  Have swapped light housings in to a couple of other older Road Glides also.  No idea what HD's disqualifying distinction is from 03 to 04.

It's so simple when those more knowledgeable than me answer their own questions!
 ;)

SBB




edited to correct Don's post  ;)
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: jettjocky on August 21, 2012, 04:34:13 PM
YES THEY DO,      JUST RELEASED BY HD PLUG & PLAY LEDS FOR 04 & UP FLTR

67700109 Chrome background
67700112 CHROME WITH BLACK BACKGROUND


NOW BRACE YOURSELF...............................................................$ 699.95

Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: darth davidson on August 21, 2012, 08:15:19 PM
YES THEY DO,      JUST RELEASED BY HD PLUG & PLAY LEDS FOR 04 & UP FLTR

67700109 Chrome background
67700112 CHROME WITH BLACK BACKGROUND


NOW BRACE YOURSELF...............................................................$ 699.95



It says available in October 2012.
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: SDCVO on August 21, 2012, 11:53:58 PM
They look awesome. I am all over these...
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: DesertHOG on August 22, 2012, 12:35:13 AM
YES THEY DO,      JUST RELEASED BY HD PLUG & PLAY LEDS FOR 04 & UP FLTR

67700109 Chrome background
67700112 CHROME WITH BLACK BACKGROUND


NOW BRACE YOURSELF...............................................................$ 699.95



So I need some help here.. what is considered the background whether chrome or black. Back of the lens?
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: Crusty on August 22, 2012, 01:54:49 AM
Appreciate y'all taking one for the team! I get home from Afghanistan in late Jan... please have plenty of pics and feedback on how they look/work posted by then!   :2vrolijk_21: ;D

While it would make it a BIT harder to "sneak" a few mods in under mama's nose (not like I really have to... lol), but I may put together a list of stuff and have the shop back home order them and come pick up my bike, so they'll be installed and ready to roll when I get home!
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: Crusty on August 22, 2012, 02:10:38 AM
This video gets some good closeups of the LEDs on the 2013

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/1489/Motorcycle-Video/2013-Harley-Davidson-CVO-First-Ride-Video.aspx

Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: SBB on August 22, 2012, 09:20:16 AM
This video gets some good closeups of the LEDs on the 2013

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/1489/Motorcycle-Video/2013-Harley-Davidson-CVO-First-Ride-Video.aspx



Good video.
What I got from the video was that other than the LED lights on the SERGC evrything else was old news.
The ironic part was that as the video was playing the line above the video read.
Brought to you by Kawasaki!

 :huepfenlol2:    :huepfenlol2:    :huepfenlol2:    :huepfenlol2:    :huepfenlol2:    :huepfenlol2:    :huepfenlol2:

SBB

Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: jettjocky on August 22, 2012, 09:33:38 AM
Thanks for the link & onfo ;)
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: Crusty on August 22, 2012, 10:22:18 AM
Good video.
What I got from the video was that other than the LED lights on the SERGC evrything else was old news.
The ironic part was that as the video was playing the line above the video read.
Brought to you by Kawasaki!

 :huepfenlol2:    :huepfenlol2:    :huepfenlol2:    :huepfenlol2:    :huepfenlol2:    :huepfenlol2:    :huepfenlol2:

SBB



Isn't Boom audio new for the RGC this year?. And of coruse the heavy breather.
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: harleycharlie1992 on August 22, 2012, 09:18:56 PM
they exist now, harley makes them starting this year, look at the website go to new parts, expensive
Title: Re: LED Headlights for Road Glide , Do they exist?
Post by: harleycharlie1992 on August 22, 2012, 09:20:26 PM
I need to read the other posts first sorry, already posts about them, never mind!