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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2013, 10:36:42 AM »

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It's the VIN that makes it a CVO. No matter what you do to it later, it will always be a CVO because it was born as one.

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I would agree with that. Would make things in life easier if our some of our "leaders" would use that same principal with humans??   :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2013, 11:17:17 AM »

I agree that the vin number can tell it's origin, surprising that H-D never made a special Vin# series for CVOs (I guess closest is models that have badging one of 1800 etc.)Of course we all know CVO used to mean assembled in a different building in a different manner from the general assembly line, now it seems not much difference other than bells and whistles on same assembly line as standard bikes....
You might have a thousand or so CVO bikes in a particular model but the special paint sets might be even more rare when they come at 50 or 100 in a year. (Of course you can't order the limited paint sets on the assembly line to make your bike come with them.)
I know many think CVO is more valuable than a standard bike and it may hold it's value some but it also depreciates in most cases. This always makes me think about values of old cars and there are two trains of thought where the "purist" likes and values a vehicle that looks like it just rolled off the assembly line with as few mods as possible vs. the "hot-rodder" who likes the general style of an old car but wants it souped up with more power and all the modern conveniences.  Value is then dependent on the buyer.
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2013, 09:01:26 PM »

I've always added mods to my cvo's. my 09 has a cam, thundermax, Fulsac baffles, ez breather, legend air , progressive fork tubes, pm 21inch front wheel and on and on. The fun thing about any Harley , including a cvo, is making it your own. And not just another bike.
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2013, 11:49:43 PM »

A CVO is determined by the VIN number...to a dealer. A buyer, may buy and pay for the bike for it performance and/or looks.
The 2014 CVO Breakout has 3 colors schemes. Only one of those color schemes, the frame matches the tins colors. The other 2 schemes, frames are color...black. The one with matching frame/tins is the con\balt blue.

On other topic...
a 2013 CVO Roadking MSRP is $29,999
a 2014 CVO Roadking MSRP is $28,499
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2013, 01:42:34 AM »

A CVO is determined by the VIN number...to a dealer. A buyer, may buy and pay for the bike for it performance and/or looks.
The 2014 CVO Breakout has 3 colors schemes. Only one of those color schemes, the frame matches the tins colors. The other 2 schemes, frames are color...black. The one with matching frame/tins is the con\balt blue.

On other topic...
a 2013 CVO Roadking MSRP is $29,999
a 2014 CVO Roadking MSRP is $28,499

from what I recall the 2014 doesnt have the ipod/audio setup... and $32,499 on HD website
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2013, 08:17:58 AM »

It's all in the Vin #

I love the CVO, but I wanted my own paint job! So I built a mock CVO, added features  CVO doesn't have, I ride with buddies that have CVO's gave them ideas for their bikes.
Another thing I didn't like about the CVO is the Road King modified gas tank, I thought it looked cheesy.
My insurance guy priced me a CVO quote, it was inspected by an adjuster before they insured it.
$32,000 replacement cost. The local Harley sales guy, says I could get $35,000 if I wanted to sell it.
Bragging rights for the VIN on a CVO yes your right,  the only way to see that mine isn't a CVO is the VIN. The reason I blog here is my love for the CVO. No disrespect here for the rest of you guys, bottom line Harley didn't have what I wanted, and if I was going to spend the big bucks, it was going to be what I wanted.
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2013, 08:29:55 AM »

A CVO is not only about the paint and look of a bike.  My CVO has a 110, adjustable progressive shocks, hydrolic clutch, oil cooler and many other items which don't come standard on non cvo bikes.   A CVO is a CVO.... but who really cares as long as you love your bike.
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2013, 10:03:42 AM »

Well it was bound to happen, and since this was my original post, I guess it’s time for me to jump back in.  The following thoughts are MY OPINIONS ONLY, I am NOT attempting to summarize or paraphrase any group of thoughts previously expressed on this topic.

MY understanding is that the CVO CONCEPT was to produce a limited issue group of motorcycles that were unique by the options and paint installed on a specialized assembly line at HD.  The CVO Concept was NOT intended to make the OWNER’S “ELITE”, that has become a negative association attached by (some) NON-CVO owners; I consider it nothing more than envy. 

I posted this question to define and answer "what is a CVO?", and I described a guy who has a bike that IS a CVO but it isn’t, and davidw221 has a CVO that ISN’T, but (he states that, for all practical purposes) IT IS.  The respondents to this thread have been clear, a CVO is determined by the MoCo at birth and certified by the VIN, PERIOD, like it or not.

In MY opinion HD has diluted the entire concept.  The specialized production line no longer exists.  The CVO product line is shrinking and there is a push (by HD) to establish consumer perceptions that ALL products in the entire lineup CAN BE Custom Vehicles. The CVO LINEUP is fading and in as little as five years may be completely gone.  But the CONCEPT will remain and survive as: “Special”, “Limited”, “Custom”, “Dark Custom”,“Heritage”, “Deluxe”, “Ultra”, “Ultra Limited”, and (try this) The Deluxe, Ultra Limited, Dark Custom, Heritage Softail, Special.  This is called MARKETING.

MY experience has been that this forum does not look down it’s nose on ANYBODY.  Everyone is respected, all questions are answered, and all bikes and their owners are considered welcome here.  However, we are primarily Harley Owners, AND we are primarily CVO owner’s as well.  It is clear (to me) that the CVO concept is “Pride of Ownership” and that is true of ALL Harley owners.  That said, there is plenty of room in the motorcycle world and the Harley Davidson community, for a unique group of products that have been modified by the MoCo to a standard different than “stock”, and those that admire, enjoy, appreciate and ride these powerful, beautiful, machines have a common interest, and share that interest in this worthwhile forum. 

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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2013, 01:20:15 PM »

Owl

Very well put.  I joined this forum long before being a CVO owner because I was interested in them and thought (was sure) I wanted one. Have learned  a lot here and felt very well prepared when I purchased my 2010 FLHXSE.  I knew what it was and what it wasn't and had too many ideas  :) about what I wanted to do to it.

I can say that I never felt "looked down upon" before buying a CVO.  Everyone was always helpful and quickly answered any question posed.   
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2013, 03:49:06 PM »

So I agree the Moco makes a CVO and the VIN signifies that but can you modify(F--- uP) a CVO till it is not one? :huepfenlol2: I bought one because i liked the color, motor and overall look. I have considered betting a CVO RoadGlide but not seeing a color that thrilled me i thought of painting one. Honestly that would be messing it up and killing it's right to be sold as a real CVO even if it had the correct VIN. To finalize my point I'll say a woman can be born with tits and a puss but if you cut them off and put on a dick she just ain't the same gal. :huepfenlol2:
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2013, 04:01:41 PM »

well don't sugarcoat it Doc, tell us what you really think !!!!!

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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2013, 04:46:07 PM »

well don't sugarcoat it Doc, tell us what you really think !!!!!

OWL
I tried but I ain't no good with words. ;) I will add what irks me is when people say they made theirs a CVO. BFS! Only the Harley Davidson MoCo can make a CVO, period. I have a good riding buddy that refers to his Ultra Limited as a poor mans CVO and that I can respect.
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2013, 11:03:04 PM »

My Bike is a 2000 FXR4 CVO. It is heavily modified to my liking. S&S V111 motor, Rivera- Primo Overdrive
Transmission,  Custom S.S. stepped 2 into 1 pipes, Custom 49mm front end and much more.
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2013, 11:19:55 PM »

Yep....X2. 

X3, the VIN says it all, the rest are just opinions. Now, you don't have to call it a CVO if you don't want to...
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2013, 10:27:57 AM »

Well it was bound to happen, and since this was my original post, I guess it’s time for me to jump back in.  The following thoughts are MY OPINIONS ONLY, I am NOT attempting to summarize or paraphrase any group of thoughts previously expressed on this topic.

MY understanding is that the CVO CONCEPT was to produce a limited issue group of motorcycles that were unique by the options and paint installed on a specialized assembly line at HD.  The CVO Concept was NOT intended to make the OWNER’S “ELITE”, that has become a negative association attached by (some) NON-CVO owners; I consider it nothing more than envy. 

I posted this question to define and answer "what is a CVO?", and I described a guy who has a bike that IS a CVO but it isn’t, and davidw221 has a CVO that ISN’T, but (he states that, for all practical purposes) IT IS.  The respondents to this thread have been clear, a CVO is determined by the MoCo at birth and certified by the VIN, PERIOD, like it or not.

In MY opinion HD has diluted the entire concept.  The specialized production line no longer exists.  The CVO product line is shrinking and there is a push (by HD) to establish consumer perceptions that ALL products in the entire lineup CAN BE Custom Vehicles. The CVO LINEUP is fading and in as little as five years may be completely gone.  But the CONCEPT will remain and survive as: “Special”, “Limited”, “Custom”, “Dark Custom”,“Heritage”, “Deluxe”, “Ultra”, “Ultra Limited”, and (try this) The Deluxe, Ultra Limited, Dark Custom, Heritage Softail, Special.  This is called MARKETING.

MY experience has been that this forum does not look down it’s nose on ANYBODY.  Everyone is respected, all questions are answered, and all bikes and their owners are considered welcome here.  However, we are primarily Harley Owners, AND we are primarily CVO owner’s as well.  It is clear (to me) that the CVO concept is “Pride of Ownership” and that is true of ALL Harley owners.  That said, there is plenty of room in the motorcycle world and the Harley Davidson community, for a unique group of products that have been modified by the MoCo to a standard different than “stock”, and those that admire, enjoy, appreciate and ride these powerful, beautiful, machines have a common interest, and share that interest in this worthwhile forum. 

OWL


Well put, Owl. I agree that the CVO concept is being diluted a bit, as bikes such as the '14 Ultra Limited and SG Special are coming stock with more and more goodies that formerly were available only on CVOs.

The CVOs having been built by a separate group in the past, but now being built on the main line, might be good or bad. I guess one would need to have access to CVO vs. non-CVO warranty claims and repair records to know for sure whether moving CVO production to the main line was a good idea or not. However, if people bought CVOs in the past just for the snob appeal of their bike having been built by a small, separate group - then I think that's a bit sad. I don't care one whit how my bike was built, nor by who, along as it's built WELL.

I do think that the CVO paint is the biggest thing, besides the 110 and the wheels, that really sets CVOs apart. Strictly from a resale value perspective, the CVO paint has been a sought-after item that I think has kept resale values higher for CVOs... but that might not be as true as it used to be. And I have seen many fabulous, TRULY custom paint jobs on non-CVO bikes.

I also think that that 110 engine is not as "cool" as it used to be... given that all non-CVO bikes now come with the 103 instead of the 96. Now, there is only 7" difference in CI, instead of the 14" difference there used to be.

Also, the CVOs used to come with the Rumble Collection stuff, but starting in '13 CVOs come with the not-as-fancy Slipstream Collection stuff. In my opinion, the Rumble stuff really set CVOs apart... but that distinction is now gone. I am really glad I bought my '12 SESG before that change!

One thing that I have a great deal of difficulty seeing the value of for 2014 is the huge difference in cost between CVOs and non-CVOs... in particular the loaded '14 Limited vs. the bare-bones '14 SERK, or the '14 CVO Limited vs. the '14 Ultra Limited... which has a ton of equipment for $12K less.

I do agree wholeheartedly with your last paragraph about this forum, though! Whenever I'm out and see a CVO, I usually will walk up, introduce myself, and ask if they are on CVOHarley. I am amazed at how many CVO owners have not heard of it.  :nixweiss: Of course, I always recommend they they join in on all the fun and camaraderie we have here!

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