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When is a CVO not a CVO?
« on: September 01, 2013, 12:34:59 PM »

Rode to town yesterday and stopped off at a local diner that is popular with riders.  There were about a hundred bikes there, and it is fun to grab a beverage and walk and talk about the bikes and other motorcycle topics.  Seems we all have stories about our rides and (in general) we like to share them.  As we walked and asked several people about their bikes, the question that usually comes back is “So what are you ridin’?” and the stories begin.

After twenty minutes or so I was looking at a tricked out touring bike; pipes, paint, chrome, seat, handlebars, wheels, grips, etc, etc, etc.  I was impressed and asked “What did it start out as?” and was surprised that the response was “It’s a CVO Street Glide”.  We all praised the guy and his bike, which is truly “custom” but as we took a table for lunch, the discussion surrounded the issue: “What is a CVO Harley Davidson and/or what isn’t.” 

There was nothing about that bike that looked liked it had ANY CVO DNA in it, or on it.  I guess if he took it in for service, a dealer could reference the VIN, and determine what it started out as, but there, on the street, it was no longer a CVO (if it ever was).  Moreover, trading it in as a CVO might not be viable since it is likely to be worth more (to him at least) but no longer fits a NADA (CVO) category.
 
So I thought I would post this as a question to everyone but especially to our most experienced members: Presuming we all start out with stock or primarily stock CVO’s, is there a point when we leave the title behind? Can we modify our CVO’s to the point when they no longer qualify? Or if you are born a CVO you die a CVO regardless of modifications?
Should we care? Does it matter? Well, it matters to me if I am buying your “Custom Vehicle” that isn’t a CVO.

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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2013, 01:15:11 PM »

There are some CVO's I like and there are some custom bikes that I like.  So to me, it makes no difference of what something use to be, I'm more interested in what it is and what I could make it be.

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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2013, 01:41:31 PM »

on paper, it will always be a cvo.

in reality, i suppose once you get rid of the paint, and the wheels, and done some cutting, then i think you've left cvo territory.  seats, handlebars, chrome doo-dads, those are all easily replaceable.
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2013, 02:34:41 PM »

I have always thought a CVO had a colored painted frame ? example  mine is the  red colored frame
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2013, 02:40:51 PM »

Rode to town yesterday and stopped off at a local diner that is popular with riders.  There were about a hundred bikes there, and it is fun to grab a beverage and walk and talk about the bikes and other motorcycle topics.  Seems we all have stories about our rides and (in general) we like to share them.  As we walked and asked several people about their bikes, the question that usually comes back is “So what are you ridin’?” and the stories begin.

After twenty minutes or so I was looking at a tricked out touring bike; pipes, paint, chrome, seat, handlebars, wheels, grips, etc, etc, etc.  I was impressed and asked “What did it start out as?” and was surprised that the response was “It’s a CVO Street Glide”.  We all praised the guy and his bike, which is truly “custom” but as we took a table for lunch, the discussion surrounded the issue: “What is a CVO Harley Davidson and/or what isn’t.” 

There was nothing about that bike that looked liked it had ANY CVO DNA in it, or on it.  I guess if he took it in for service, a dealer could reference the VIN, and determine what it started out as, but there, on the street, it was no longer a CVO (if it ever was).  Moreover, trading it in as a CVO might not be viable since it is likely to be worth more (to him at least) but no longer fits a NADA (CVO) category.
 
So I thought I would post this as a question to everyone but especially to our most experienced members: Presuming we all start out with stock or primarily stock CVO’s, is there a point when we leave the title behind? Can we modify our CVO’s to the point when they no longer qualify? Or if you are born a CVO you die a CVO regardless of modifications?
Should we care? Does it matter? Well, it matters to me if I am buying your “Custom Vehicle” that isn’t a CVO.

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Once a CVO (born @ the MoCo with proper VIN)... always a CVO. We all modify our bikes in one way or another... other than the paint/bodywork the motor is what I would say is/are the most identifiable traits, but.... if either are changed it still carries the VIN of a Harley-Davidson CVO. Will changing the paint/bodywork hurt resale... all depends on what the purchaser is looking for (if he's looking at a CVO that no longer has factory paint/bodywork). However this could also be true for the things other than paint/bodywork we do to our bikes someone looking to purchase the bike might not like those mods either. It's all about personal preference and what a person is looking for.

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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2013, 02:41:54 PM »

I have always thought a CVO had a colored painted frame ? example  mine is the  red colored frame
Not all are painted/powdercoated to match the bike. Mine like many others is powdercoated black.

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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2013, 02:44:38 PM »

didn't realize that .. thanks  Fired00d
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2013, 03:37:31 PM »

As far as title, yes once a CVO always a CVO.  BUT, there most definitely comes a point, I believe where if modified enough, for all practical purposes crosses over the line to be considered a full on Custom.  For example, if in the US, they made around 621 of my bike, a 2012 CVO RGC Maple Metallic/Vivid Black, but I then stripped it to the frame and rebuilt it (cut, rake, big wheel, motor, body parts, paint, etc, etc), then it would become 1 of 1.  Instead of 1 of 621.   
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2013, 03:40:19 PM »

Once a CVO (born @ the MoCo with proper VIN)... always a CVO. We all modify our bikes in one way or another... other than the paint/bodywork the motor is what I would say is/are the most identifiable traits, but.... if either are changed it still carries the VIN of a Harley-Davidson CVO. Will changing the paint/bodywork hurt resale... all depends on what the purchaser is looking for (if he's looking at a CVO that no longer has factory paint/bodywork). However this could also be true for the things other than paint/bodywork we do to our bikes someone looking to purchase the bike might not like those mods either. It's all about personal preference and what a person is looking for.

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I agree.  No different than yesterday's musclecars that were modded to suite the owners' tastes.  No matter how unrecognizable that (insert your favorite brand and model here) was when they were done, the VIN still dictates what something is. 
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2013, 06:18:54 AM »

As far as title, yes once a CVO always a CVO.  BUT, there most definitely comes a point, I believe where if modified enough, for all practical purposes crosses over the line to be considered a full on Custom.  For example, if in the US, they made around 621 of my bike, a 2012 CVO RGC Maple Metallic/Vivid Black, but I then stripped it to the frame and rebuilt it (cut, rake, big wheel, motor, body parts, paint, etc, etc), then it would become 1 of 1.  Instead of 1 of 621.   

It takes a lot of work, money, and a plan to make all this happen, especially in one year.  I'm curious, why would someone with your abilities start off with a CVO?  Starting with a stock bike would have saved you 10k.

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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2013, 06:27:42 AM »

...the VIN makes it a CVO no matter what has been done to it.  You can build a regular Harley and make it look like a CVO but it will never be a CVO...the VIN Rules!
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2013, 06:42:18 AM »

...the VIN makes it a CVO no matter what has been done to it.  You can build a regular Harley and make it look like a CVO but it will never be a CVO...the VIN Rules!

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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2013, 07:46:42 AM »

It's all in the Vin #
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2013, 08:14:37 AM »

It takes a lot of work, money, and a plan to make all this happen, especially in one year.  I'm curious, why would someone with your abilities start off with a CVO?  Starting with a stock bike would have saved you 10k.

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This was hypothetical.  I DIDN"T do it, BUT guys do it all the time.
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
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This was hypothetical.  I DIDN"T do it, BUT guys do it all the time.

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