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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2009, 12:34:42 AM »

HD-Dude

Thanks for the advice...

Its the way I am going to go.... I was already leaning towards the D&D, cause thats what I had on my RK. (The 107 Zippers never hit the big numbers until we changed the carb and added the Fat Cats.)

Have you all installed, any with this set up, and if so, have you Dynoed any? Would really feel more comfortable to see actual numbers, first.  I have read a ton on tuners,,,, what advice, on this subject if any, do you have?  Or point me to a post if you know of one.

I have decided to "only" do these changes for now due to warranty and it will give me something to look forward to later.

My biggest and really only frustration with this bike,,,is the slow revs and the throttle response.  I have to do this now!! I have actually almost made a couple of mistakes pulling out in front of traffic, hitting the gas and it just bogs down for a second, and I have to clutch it and back of the throttle and re-gas it in order for the motor to rev.  Probably more my riding style and what I am use to with my past bikes then this bike.  I have corrected this by reving the motor a lot more and then slipping the clutch a lot more and for a lot longer than I am used to.

I have to admit I expected a lot more low end torque and much better throtle responce from a 110!


I have not done personally this combo on an 09 but I know that it will work well. I do not have a dyno (yet) so I am no expert on tuners but I have been involved with many many tunes. (I typically take bikes into an another local shop near me to do the tunes.)  I would recommend talking with a good tuner in your area and find out what they use and are proficient with, the Mastertune is on the top of my list.

The throttle lag that you are experiencing may me due to the TBW, As HDFR120 stated the 110's do have decent torque down low. They just fall on their face really early.

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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2009, 12:36:59 AM »


 (yet)



This something you're working toward Jim?
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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2009, 12:42:23 AM »


This something you're working toward Jim?

Have been for a while, it only takes money and shop space (two things I do not have enough of, yet ;D)

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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2009, 12:51:57 AM »

Have been for a while, it only takes money and shop space (two things I do not have enough of, yet ;D)

The shop space was the first thought that came to mind Jim.  I remember the pictures of your place.  The only open space there was outside.  And even that was crowded :huepfenlol2: !
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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2009, 05:31:39 PM »

The throttle lag that you are experiencing may me due to the TBW, As HDFR120 stated the 110's do have decent torque down low. They just fall on their face really early.

My TBW has no lag at all.

If it is is the TBW, it could be an improper Throttle Progressivity setting in the ECM.

From the SSERT Manual:

Throttle Progressivity

Throttle progressivity is a variable that allows the individual to adjust how closely the throttle plate follows the twist grip. You will be able to program progressive throttle opening with this feature.

The table column headings represent the twist grip position in percent. The table row headings represent engine RPM. The values in the table are the "Progressivity" values in percent.

If you want the throttle plate to exactly follow the twist grip, you would make the values under a particular column heading the same percentage as the column heading itself. For example, under a column heading of "40% Twist Grip Position", the table values would be changed to 40 in each of the cells in that column.

If the tuner wants the throttle plate to "lag" the twist grip to help eliminate an engine "bog", then the values in a twist grip column would start at a low value and progressively increase to the same value that is that column's header.
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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2009, 11:01:54 PM »

At 11700 miles I had the 0905 campaign done. At the same time I sent the new heads out to Heldreth Performance and had them ported and polished. Did not have them decked. Put gear drive TW7HG woods cams in. Heavy duty springs. I was looking to get a cooler running motor and a little more Torque. 1500 miles so far I like it. Seems to run real nice. It's been real wet and cold in Seattle.
121.49 Torque and 107.77 Horses. I think with a new TB could get more but its fine for now.
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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2009, 11:16:02 PM »

 :oops:I forgot to mention. I have Rinehart true duals, AC, HD race tuner.
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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2009, 07:20:17 AM »

rj walkup

Those are good numbers in my book!  Would be glad to have that kind of tq and hp.  You did not mention what you are riding and its not in your profile.

Bring us you to speed on what bike is producing that, would you please?

Also have heard a couple of members complain that the Wood cam noise is fairly loud.  What is your experience?

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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2009, 12:59:23 PM »

Chrome O

My bike is a CUSE2. The cams are not loud at all!!! Vary nice sound at idle and smooth. I'm using Mobil One V Twin 20/50 oil, Spectro 6speed 75/140 in the Trans. Have not done any thing with the primary.  No gear noise in the motor or trans. So for so good.
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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2009, 07:23:22 AM »

i went with r&r stage 4 heads, cometic .030 head gaskets, 10.5 comp, 257 cams, supermeg, hpi 55mm t/body, s.e. injectors, stock pistons, cyls, clutch, bottom end...11k miles and no problems, best run 120/120 uncorrected on a dj250...but this is a dyna, most bagger guys wouldn't like the low torque below 3000

a good bang for the buck would be blueprinted heads with the bigger intake valve/bowl work/muti-angle valve job (see thread by gremlush), thin head gasket, and a mild or midrange cam with compression set to 9.2 corrected...my opinion you're wasting money using a long cam with the stock injection system



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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2009, 12:01:27 AM »

Here is what what I have in an 08 SERK, maybe this will help. would also like comments from others as well....thanks!
I also have the SE Heavy Breather on it too.
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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2009, 12:18:39 AM »

Here is what what I have in an 08 SERK, maybe this will help. would also like comments from others as well....thanks!
I also have the SE Heavy Breather on it too.

Did you change the throttle body also?
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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2009, 07:10:04 PM »

Do you have that run in SAE ? 
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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2009, 07:51:13 PM »

Stock throttle body and injectors...

Not sure what you mean by "Do you have that run in SAE ?"
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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2009, 08:13:07 PM »

SAE is the 'standard ' dyno ,yours is DIN which will read higher.
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