Don (Iselbulls) and I were talking to an old friend of mine that I used to race with who owns a couple of HD dealerships here in northern Ca.. He says that HD will begin offering 120" crate motors for under $6K soon. I did ask him why they would sell a 120" for less than a 110" but he really didn't have an answer. Either HD is trying to spread their own vicious rumors or there is truth in this. :nixweiss: We shall soon see.I also heard no more re-man work in house Rog - it's said Jims is doing it now!!
I also heard no more re-man work in house Rog - it's said Jims is doing it now!!
I also heard no more re-man work in house Rog - it's said Jim's is doing it now!!Maybe it's a trade off and the 120" will be a Jim's motor. I'm sure Jim's re-man will still have to adhere to HD's specs so if your runout is .011, you're still within tolerance and no new crank or truing.
At the dealer show a new '120' ci crate motor is available. I heard was around $5400 or lets say under $6k. Has anyone looked into this or perhaps may want to upgrade? :bananarock:
At the dealer show a new '120' ci crate motor is available. I heard was around $5400 or lets say under $6k. Has anyone looked into this or perhaps may want to upgrade? :bananarock:
Is it a Jim's motor or an HD product? Actually guess it doesn't matter. With the problems both have been having it's a distinction without a difference.
In a word - junk!!!! :furious3: :furious3:
How do you think i came to that conclusion
I wonder if I encounter any more problems with my 110" that is still under warranty, they would be willing to replace it with the 120"? ???For $5,400. :2vrolijk_21:
i am going to guess by his reply is that he bought 1 and it was junk.
Axil has run into a quite a few problems with the JIMS 120 motors. A couple of them he actually sent me pics of, because I had my doubts.
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And how did you reach that conclusion?
Yup! What he said. :coolblue:
Which goes back to my original question,
Seemed a simple enough question.
What is wrong with a 120 that causes you to consider them junk?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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I would guess he calls them junk because of the problems he has run into while working on them. The motor is no better than your 110 motors, and warranty takes forever. To keep warranty you must inspect and or change your lifters every 5k. The crank assy is just like the one in your motors now. The only thing you are getting is a larger displacement. If you go back and read all of the problems with the CVO motors that will answer your question. If you really want a 120 inch motor call the guys over in Elkridge Maryland. They do build a good one from the ground up!!!!
Like I said in my above post I would rebuild your motor from the ground up using your factory cases using S&S and Axtel parts. And if you think that the 120 motor is a bargin go ahead and buy one. But when you have a problem with it, you have been warned!!!!!
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To keep warranty you must inspect and or change your lifters every 5k.
But when you have a problem with it, you have been warned!!!!!
The motor is no better than your 110 motors
The fact is nobody has seen this engine yet, it was just released, when I called Chicago HD they said they had none in yet and weren't sure when they would start shipping. But everyone is comparing this to a Jim's and it's not a Jim's. From the description.
Hand assembled alongside Harley-Davidson’s production
Twin Cam engines at the Pilgrim Road Engine Plant in
Milwaukee, these race-use engines feature only the finest
Screamin’ Eagle components:
Now while that may not scream reliability, it does make it known that this is not a Jim's engine.
Folks who work on them see the problems with them, why, because nobody brings them a bike thats running great and they want it fixed.
Hand assembled alongside Harley-Davidson’s production
Twin Cam engines at the Pilgrim Road Engine Plant in
Milwaukee,
A new 120" motor from Harley.
Should be interesting to see if it's NEW or if the assembly location has been changed for the old 120.
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So Dawg is this like, :nixweiss: , your the official Axil spokes person or what?
That's cool but you also didn't answer the question asked of him.
Jim's is a viable option for many members here, are you saying that Jim's requires lifters to be inspected or changed every 5K?
Is that in their sales brochure or warranty information?
People that plan to spend 5, 6, 7K dollars or more want facts about an item they are investing in.
Facts man, that's why the original question was asked.
Facts will help everyone here to learn.
Drama may increase post count but unless facts are told, drama means nothing.
Yes I have had issues from my 09 110 but after 39K miles in 20 months I bet I have spent less on my 110 motor than you have on your 103.Inquiring minds want to know.
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The fact is nobody has seen this engine yet, it was just released, when I called Chicago HD they said they had none in yet and weren't sure when they would start shipping. But everyone is comparing this to a Jim's and it's not a Jim's. From the description.
Hand assembled alongside Harley-Davidson’s production
Twin Cam engines at the Pilgrim Road Engine Plant in
Milwaukee, these race-use engines feature only the finest
Screamin’ Eagle components:
Now while that may not scream reliability, it does make it known that this is not a Jim's engine.
Folks who work on them see the problems with them, why, because nobody brings them a bike thats running great and they want it fixed.
You must have paid for an extended warranty. If that is the case you have spent more than I have.
The facts are what they are. Go talk to some people that have a Jims 120. Axil does not live on here, so you may want to wait for him and IF YOU THINK THE JIMS MOTOR IS A VIABLE OPTION YOU HAVE HAD ME FOOLED FOR A FEW YEARS!!!!lol.
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You must have paid for an extended warranty. If that is the case you have spent more than I have.
The facts are what they are.
Axil does not live on here,
In a word - junk!!!!
ULTRASWEDE the problems with the Jim's 120 motors of the past were LIFTERS and CRANK ASSY!!!!! If you do not have a pinned and welded crank in these heavy bikes, you are looking for trouble. Not to mention no timken bearing.
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If there is anyone else like myself that was wondering the specs on this motor see attachment. :pumpkin:
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ULTRASWEDE the problems with the Jim's 120 motors of the past were LIFTERS and CRANK ASSY!!!!! If you do not have a pinned and welded crank in these heavy bikes, you are looking for trouble. Not to mention no timken bearing.
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This may be a newer version of the Jim's 120, if not it has been in production for a few years and sold at the dealerships!
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ULTRASWEDE the problems with the Jim's 120 motors of the past were LIFTERS and CRANK ASSY!!!!! If you do not have a pinned and welded crank in these heavy bikes, you are looking for trouble. Not to mention no timken bearing.
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My guess is that we are going to see 120" engines in Screamin' Eagles to come, maybe by next year...after a few of these are out there and they see what kind of problems they really have with them...with the guinea pigs that buy them. We're seeing the displacement moving upward on the other models, and once they put 120's in the SE's, then we'll see standard models sporting the 110's. It doesn't seem like any different pattern than what they've been doing over the years...bigger engines. 80", 88", 95", 96", 103", 110"...why not 120" in the SE's. This is more like the build they should have had already. But then these are listed as race only and they'll have to find a way to keep them street legal to equip a factory bike with them. Just a guess, or maybe just some sheer optimism.
The specs sure don't look like the Jim's at all. I'll be very curious about the reliability on these 120's and very tempted also. I do think it's one of those upgrades that would make more sense directly at the time of purchase, if the same deal holds true with it being covered with the regular factory and extended warranties, like doing an engine build with the SE kits at time of purchase. It wouldn't be a big pricing deal if you have a brand new 110" to sell to someone once you are done.
:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: Where exactly do you race a 120" Twin Cam motor? :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Response #10 shows the engine cross-section with labels. SE-266 cam with Timken Bearings
If there is anyone else like myself that was wondering the specs on this motor see attachment.
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Fired00d
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Response #10 shows the engine cross-section with labels. SE-266 cam with Timken Bearings
wow! chip, my respose to you was with humor, I have no problem with Jim's only products but i do have a problem Jim's/se products. the issue is with the se crank that is not
welded or pinned.
the next time you want to whip up a large bunch of drama , leave me out of it. see ya'll Saturday axial
wow! chip, my respose to you was with humor,
the issue is with the se crank that is not
welded or pinned.
the next time you want to whip up a large bunch of drama , leave me out of it.
In a word - junk!!!!
Timken is a brand of bearing like SKF along with being known as a tapered "type" of bearing that is typically called a Timken Bearing. The bearings for the cams are Timken "brand" bearings, the one he is refering to is a Timken tapered "type" bearing for the crankshaft on the clutch side, pressed onto the crank with a race in the case. It stops movement in the crank that the stock roller bearing allows. If given the specs for it you could also buy a Timken "type" bearing from SKF or probably 13 different places in China.
Just what's so unique about the "• Unique piston oilers for stroker clearances."?
Actually this was a good thread. I would still do a complete rebuild of my stock motor and build it bullet proof with a builder you know and trust. We all know the problems with these motors and most of us know what needs to done to correct the problems from the factory.
We buy these bikes because they are the flagship bikes of the Motor Compnay. Yet when we get them we find a lot of problems with them. It's a shame that you would spend 35k for a bike then do another 10k in upgrades.
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Agreed. I find it strange that for the "kit" they offer to 120" (page 21) in the 2011 SE Catalog (below) that it can't be used on cases previously bored for a 110". Wonder why that is. Also, it recommends purchase of a set of cases already bored for the kit (page 22). The pricing for the kit/cases is about the same as the built engine, but in the kit situation you'd be able to take it in and have the crank welded and the bearing put in before assembly, the rest of the parts I could deal with and the kits comes with the TB, the built engine doesn't.
http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content/Pages/Racing/screamin_eagle_parts.jsp?locale=en_US&bmLocale=en_US
Take some of that back, it doesn't come with the cam support plate or the oil pump and covers....
The piston oiler nozzles are closer to the crank center line, to clear the piston at BDC.But that should be true in any stroker shouldn't it? , just wondered what made them "unique"?
The longer the stoke, the further down the piston will be at BDC.
Hey Rog, it's just the way they Sell it, kind of like Charmin Tp is best because it doesn't leave pieces stuck on the bears butt. :huepfenlol2:You've been living out in the forest way too long Terry ;D :P :o
Hey Rog, it's just the way they Sell it, kind of like Charmin Tp is best because it doesn't leave pieces stuck on the bears butt. :huepfenlol2:
YEA WHAT HE SAID!!!!!!Sometimes I confuse "unique" with "new and improved" :nixweiss: :confused5: ;D
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Won't fit into a 2006 SEUC? :(
Do they give hp/tq numbers for the HD120" ?
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=52315.0;attach=161723
see the link...
Thanks Scott!
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You've been living out in the forest way too long Terry ;D :P :oYea maybe as I started walking down my drive I looked up and there was a black bear about 30 feet in front of me walking up towards me. Well he ran first and I watch to many commercials since I can't ride much yet. :huepfenlol2:
Yea maybe as I started walking down my drive I looked up and there was a black bear about 30 feet in front of me walking up towards me. Well he ran first and I watch to many commercials since I can't ride much yet. :huepfenlol2:Sounds like maybe it was you that needed the t p. ;D
here we go , chip you have a problem things i post. I don't have a problem with things you post. is this going to continue ? or can we toast and put itbehind us. axil
here we go , chip you have a problem things i post. I don't have a problem with things you post. is this going to continue ? or can we toast and put itbehind us. axil
Not exactly true but the SE parts are flawed as recognized by HD with their product improvement program (heads) and the rest are OEM 96" parts that in some cases carry issues.
The 120R would be a stock motor and meet EPA with lowered compression and a specially designed cam. Would that then be a 120EPA? Why wouldn't the MOCO do this and just raise the price marginally or offer it as an option?
Remember when we could choose options especially engines with cars?
Those were the days!
Not exactly true but the SE parts are flawed as recognized by HD with their product improvement program (heads) and the rest are OEM 96" parts that in some cases carry issues.
The 120R would be a stock motor and meet EPA with lowered compression and a specially designed cam. Would that then be a 120EPA? Why wouldn't the MOCO do this and just raise the price marginally or offer it as an option?
Remember when we could choose options especially engines with cars?
Those were the days!