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Title: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: bbrown on June 16, 2008, 04:48:49 PM
My cruise stopped working.   It was intermittent at times ...and now I get the light to turn green (Sometimes) but the cruise does not work.  When I touch the button to accelerate the light turns red.

Anyone know the fix???  Is it the Module??? :
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: hdbrad03 on June 16, 2008, 09:19:35 PM
Check the adjustment of your throttle cables if not correct sometimes the roll off swicth acts crazy.

 :pumpkin:
Brad
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: bbrown on June 17, 2008, 07:49:15 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Garznhogs on June 18, 2008, 05:27:12 PM
My cruise light has NEVER turned green; it's always red when the cruise switch is on, speed set or not.  Dealer replaced tach thinking the light was bad.  No.  Dealer replaced module. No.  (No cost to me.)  I oughta make one more claim on my ext en ded wa___anty, but I hate the hassle. 
So, I just guess at whether or not it's engaged... hell, I find out sooner or later anyway.  :P

:-Jerry
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: bbrown on June 18, 2008, 10:03:28 PM
Sound like your issue is similiar to mine.  They told me its the cruise control module.  I will let you know the damages $ tomorrow
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: ultrafxr on June 18, 2008, 11:08:10 PM
You'd think the moco could at least get the cruise control to work.  I mean chit it ain't rocket science - they've had 'em in cars for 30+ years and the seem to work ok.  Had major problems on my '99 and intermittent problems on my '06 and now my '07.  Hope they get yours fixed.  Good luck.
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Eqcons on June 19, 2008, 04:53:42 AM
Sound like your issue is similiar to mine.  They told me its the cruise control module.  I will let you know the damages $ tomorrow

And similar to mine too!

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=23138.0

Jim
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: 103_RK on June 19, 2008, 06:18:54 AM
I have had similar problems with my cruise control.  Turns out it was the front brake light activating and cutting the cruise off.  I also had the bracket that holds the end of the throttle cables brake (which prevented the cruise from working.
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: bbrown on June 19, 2008, 07:06:05 AM
Thanks for the information.....Hope my extended W covers it...
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: WFP on June 19, 2008, 07:17:00 AM
I have had similar problems with my cruise control.  Turns out it was the front brake light  activating and cutting the cruise off.  I also had the bracket that holds the end of the throttle cables brake (which prevented the cruise from working.

Ummmm.....what is a FRONT brake light?    :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Texas 103 on June 19, 2008, 08:27:44 AM
Ummmm.....what is a FRONT brake light?    :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:


Brake Light Switch Maybe???
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: grc on June 19, 2008, 08:40:18 AM
You'd think the moco could at least get the cruise control to work.  I mean chit it ain't rocket science - they've had 'em in cars for 30+ years and the seem to work ok.  Had major problems on my '99 and intermittent problems on my '06 and now my '07.  Hope they get yours fixed.  Good luck.

You're starting to sound like me (and that should worry the heck out of you).  I find it totally amazing that H-D has so many issues with systems that have been extremely reliable for decades in the auto industry.  To give you an idea of why I get so pizzed with the constant problems, guess when the last time was that I had a car that required any kind of internal engine repair.  That would be the 1966 third hand VW I drove in college.  Thirty six years of owning and driving those "lousy" American cars everyone likes to dis, and not one internal failure of any drivetrain component.  Only one electronic module failure, and that was back in the early days of electronic ignitions.  One radio failure when the display quit.  My Harley has had more problems all by itself than all of my cars put together.  Really gives one the confidence and desire to go out and buy another one.

Jerry
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: ultrafxr on June 19, 2008, 09:06:59 AM
You're starting to sound like me (and that should worry the heck out of you).  I find it totally amazing that H-D has so many issues with systems that have been extremely reliable for decades in the auto industry.  To give you an idea of why I get so pizzed with the constant problems, guess when the last time was that I had a car that required any kind of internal engine repair.  That would be the 1966 third hand VW I drove in college.  Thirty six years of owning and driving those "lousy" American cars everyone likes to dis, and not one internal failure of any drivetrain component.  Only one electronic module failure, and that was back in the early days of electronic ignitions.  One radio failure when the display quit.  My Harley has had more problems all by itself than all of my cars put together.  Really gives one the confidence and desire to go out and buy another one.

Jerry
It takes one heck of an engineer to screw up proven reliable technology.

Jerry
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: ultrafxr on June 19, 2008, 09:24:09 AM
You're starting to sound like me (and that should worry the heck out of you).  I find it totally amazing that H-D has so many issues with systems that have been extremely reliable for decades in the auto industry.  To give you an idea of why I get so pizzed with the constant problems, guess when the last time was that I had a car that required any kind of internal engine repair.  That would be the 1966 third hand VW I drove in college.  Thirty six years of owning and driving those "lousy" American cars everyone likes to dis, and not one internal failure of any drivetrain component.  Only one electronic module failure, and that was back in the early days of electronic ignitions.  One radio failure when the display quit.  My Harley has had more problems all by itself than all of my cars put together.  Really gives one the confidence and desire to go out and buy another one.

Jerry
Hmmm, I wonder if the engineering staff for the Yugo has relocated to Milwaukee?   :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: grc on June 19, 2008, 01:50:11 PM
Hmmm, I wonder if the engineering staff for the Yugo has relocated to Milwaukee?   :nixweiss: :nixweiss:

You know, I've been wondering that same thing for several years now.  You know those folks had to go somewhere for new jobs, maybe they were beer lovers and decided to relocate to Milwaukee. :nixweiss:

Jerry  ;)
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: bbrown on June 19, 2008, 04:14:19 PM
Well the trouble shooting is done.  It is the cruise control module/switch.   None in stock so a week to get it.....  They are still not sure what the charge will be. Must be I asm the only one who has cruise since they do not stock the part??? :-\ :-\

I wonder if the extended Warranty will cover???
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Fired00d on June 19, 2008, 04:18:55 PM
Well the trouble shooting is done.  It is the cruise control module/switch.   None in stock so a week to get it.....  They are still not sure what the charge will be. Must be I asm the only one who has cruise since they do not stock the part??? :-\ :-\

I wonder if the extended Warranty will cover???
I don't see why it wouldn't your bike came stock w/CC. You should only have to pay your deductable.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: bbrown on June 19, 2008, 04:20:24 PM
I agree.   what is the deductible $50???
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Fired00d on June 19, 2008, 04:24:00 PM
I agree.   what is the deductible $50???
That is what it is on mine. Look at your ESP and it should have it in there what your deductible is.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: grandpadoc on June 19, 2008, 04:25:32 PM
Sound like your issue is similiar to mine.  They told me its the cruise control module.  I will let you know the damages $ tomorrow

Mine went out when the speedometer started acting up. When they fixed the speedo the cruise started working again.  Doc
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: bbrown on June 20, 2008, 12:09:07 PM
Looks like we will not get the part for a week >:( >:( >:( :confused5:
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Eqcons on June 20, 2008, 03:40:55 PM
Well the trouble shooting is done.  It is the cruise control module/switch. 

Well, despite the error code indicating "internal failure replace module", replacing the cruise control unit hasn't fixed it.  :(  And I've ruled out the roll-off switch  :( :(  So tomorrow I'll be checking the earths and other connections under the fairing.  :-\

Jim
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: bbrown on June 20, 2008, 03:46:35 PM
One other thing might help.  Are the throtle cable adjusted properly???  When I replaced the Module the tech had to adjust them but I am not sure what he did.
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: bbrown on June 20, 2008, 03:48:44 PM
Jim,  Your problem sure sounds like a wiring issue especially with the other components actinvg up.  Good luck 
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Eqcons on June 20, 2008, 03:49:43 PM
Jim,  Your problem sure sounds like a wiring issue especially with the other components actinvg up.  Good luck 

Yes, it does, bb.  Last thing I need with me heading off on a 3500 mile trip next Friday!

Jim
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Garznhogs on June 20, 2008, 05:00:55 PM
My C/C works perfectly, just the green light doesn't come on. So let's see, it's covered under ext wa.....ty, should I give them another shot at fixing the green light that you can't see in sunlight anyway???  Uh NO. Ain't completely broke, don't break it more. bdawwk, cluck cluck cluck.

:-Jerrythechickenhearted
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: bbrown on June 23, 2008, 09:16:43 AM
You are correct.  It was the Cruise control module.   The job was covered by the extended less the $50.  Works perfect now. :drink: :drink:
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Eqcons on June 23, 2008, 09:25:03 AM
You are correct.  It was the Cruise control module.   The job was covered by the extended less the $50.  Works perfect now. :drink: :drink:

Wish I could say the same! :-(  I cannot find any problem that would account for mine....

Jim
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: bbrown on June 23, 2008, 09:46:49 AM
You may want to take it to the Dealer and have them check it.  I had tried everything I could think of too.   It was worth it...even the Green light works now..
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: BIGDOG on June 29, 2008, 05:02:58 PM
I sure wish you guys would quit having problems with your bikes because every time something new comes up my bike has sympathy problems. I was on my way to Portland Or. yesterday and twice my cruse controle just shut off for no reason. took about 10 or 15 minutes before I could engage it again. This bikes got to be a woman. :nixweiss:
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: hogasm on June 29, 2008, 07:19:59 PM
You're starting to sound like me (and that should worry the heck out of you).  I find it totally amazing that H-D has so many issues with systems that have been extremely reliable for decades in the auto industry.  To give you an idea of why I get so pizzed with the constant problems, guess when the last time was that I had a car that required any kind of internal engine repair.  That would be the 1966 third hand VW I drove in college.  Thirty six years of owning and driving those "lousy" American cars everyone likes to dis, and not one internal failure of any drivetrain component.  Only one electronic module failure, and that was back in the early days of electronic ignitions.  One radio failure when the display quit.  My Harley has had more problems all by itself than all of my cars put together.  Really gives one the confidence and desire to go out and buy another one.

Jerry

Especially when we are riding on 2 wheels and not 4

 
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: hogasm on June 29, 2008, 07:22:11 PM
Here is my problem.......

Engage cruise........

Wait few seconds......

Hold on tight........

Bike takes off like scolded dog.......

Settles down.......5-10mph faster than set speed........

Gotta love cruise :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: BIGDOG on June 29, 2008, 08:37:47 PM
It probably thought you weren't going fast enough.  Figured if it kicked out you'd reset it a bit higher :nixweiss: ?


Of course I could be wrong.
You could be right, when it started working again it kicked in when I pushed the resume/accelerate . Every one has told me I'm a bit slow! :biggthumpup:
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: bbrown on June 29, 2008, 09:26:29 PM
BIGDOG

That is exactly how my problem started.   The new Cruise control module fixed mine.  Like I said before even my green light works
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: BIGDOG on June 30, 2008, 10:14:12 AM
BIGDOG

That is exactly how my problem started.   The new Cruise control module fixed mine.  Like I said before even my green light works
If this stuff keeps up I may have a BMW or Gold Wing in my touring future.
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: SERK3 on June 30, 2008, 11:16:26 AM
I'M HAVING PROBLEMS WITH CRUISE ON MY 07 RKSE, THEY REPLACED MODULE ABOUT 3 WEEKS AGO, IT WORKED 1 TIME ON WAY HOME I TOOK IT BACK SAME DAY THEY KEPT IN SHOP 2 WEEKS AND SAID IT WORKED EVERYTIME THEY RODE IT. I PICKED IT UP LAST WED. AGAIN WORKED 1 TIME ON WAY HOME. WE LEFT THURSDAY AM FOR NC H.O.G. RALLEY TRIED SEVERAL TIMES STILL DID NOT WORK, LEFT HICKORY NC FRIDAY AM, CRUISE WORKED LIKE IT SHOULD, WE MADE SEVERAL STOPS BETWEEN HICKORY AND SALISBURY THEN HEADED FOR CONCORD, AGAIN CRUISE WORKED, HAD IT SET AT 70 MPH THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE D%*#% THING TOOK OF ON ITS OWN I HAD TO SHUT IT OFF AT 82 MPH IT DONE THIS 2 OR 3 TIMES, THEN FROM THAT POINT ON (CONCORD TO KNOXVILLE) IT WORKED LIKE IT SHOULD. DEALER IS TRING TO PUT BLAME ON THE PCIII, I THINK JUST BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO FIX IT.

Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: LRebel on June 30, 2008, 11:28:42 AM
BigDog,

Wow, I really had high hopes that the new "throttle by wire" would not have cruise control problems.....I guess this dashes that hope :-\
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: BIGDOG on June 30, 2008, 11:32:36 AM
BigDog,

Wow, I really had high hopes that the new "throttle by wire" would not have cruise control problems.....I guess this dashes that hope :-\
I really love my bike but HD needs to clean up there act. $ 30,000+ for a bike and A load of issues. I want to ride not keep going back to have it fixed.
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: se_glide on July 06, 2008, 08:55:30 PM
My cruise stopped working.  it was intermittent at times ...and now I get the light to turn green (Sometimes) but the cruise does not work.  When I touch the button to accelerate the light turns red.

Anyone know the fix???  Is it the Module??? :

TRY THIS FIRST!   It worked for me. I had the same intermittent symptoms. Eventually, as I was trying to diagnose this, I got to the connector between the module and the wiring to the module. Using my volt-ohm meter on the pins while cycling my handlebar switch, I found the handle bar cruise control engagement switch was not effectively making and breaking the circuit. This is essential for the module to know what you want. I disassembled the handle bar controls cover to expose the switch and remove it from the housing (the thumb knob will pull off with some gentle persuasion).
Here's the fix. Get some CRC 2-26 Plastic safe multi-purpose precision lubricant (Home Depot, electrical). This has the red tube to direct the spray.  You can't get the switch apart, but you can insert the tube in under the rubber boot where the lever comes out. Spray it good and hold the switch so gravity will help the lube seep into the switch. Cycle that switch about a hundred times to clean and lube the internal contacts. Mine worked like new after this treatment.
I figure I had some moisture corrosion from rain or washing. 2001 SERG. Good Luck.
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: bbrown on July 07, 2008, 01:37:43 PM
This is exactly what happened to mine.  It was the Module.  Now everything works great including the green light
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: BIGDOG on July 13, 2008, 08:04:58 PM
This is exactly what happened to mine.  It was the Module.  Now everything works great including the green light
Well the bike go's in to the shop tomorrow. The cruse took a dump won't work at all and now I have the check engine light on with a P code error.I'm getting tired of this BS but I guess it's part of owning a Harley now a days. It's sad that they made a great bike for quite a while but now it's like AMF took over again. :beadyeyes2:
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: RedDevil on July 13, 2008, 08:23:24 PM
I'M HAVING PROBLEMS WITH CRUISE ON MY 07 RKSE, THEY REPLACED MODULE ABOUT 3 WEEKS AGO, IT WORKED 1 TIME ON WAY HOME I TOOK IT BACK SAME DAY THEY KEPT IN SHOP 2 WEEKS AND SAID IT WORKED EVERYTIME THEY RODE IT. I PICKED IT UP LAST WED. AGAIN WORKED 1 TIME ON WAY HOME. WE LEFT THURSDAY AM FOR NC H.O.G. RALLEY TRIED SEVERAL TIMES STILL DID NOT WORK, LEFT HICKORY NC FRIDAY AM, CRUISE WORKED LIKE IT SHOULD, WE MADE SEVERAL STOPS BETWEEN HICKORY AND SALISBURY THEN HEADED FOR CONCORD, AGAIN CRUISE WORKED, HAD IT SET AT 70 MPH THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE D%*#% THING TOOK OF ON ITS OWN I HAD TO SHUT IT OFF AT 82 MPH IT DONE THIS 2 OR 3 TIMES, THEN FROM THAT POINT ON (CONCORD TO KNOXVILLE) IT WORKED LIKE IT SHOULD. DEALER IS TRING TO PUT BLAME ON THE PCIII, I THINK JUST BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO FIX IT.



SERK3,
Not to say the dealer may be right, but have you tried taking the PCIII out of the loop and running the bike to see how the cruise works?  I don't know why the PCIII would be the culprit, but you just never know these days.  :nixweiss:  Plus, if you take the PCIII off and you still have the problem, then the dealership can't blame it on the PCIII and they will have to fix the issue.  It's just too easy for them to pass problems off on a non-Harley part if they can't figure something out.  So don't give them that option as an excuse.

   :devil:
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: bbrown on July 18, 2008, 03:24:48 PM
Reddevil,  You got another bad Module the way it sounds to me.. Take it back.  It sounds dangerous to me
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: bbrown on July 18, 2008, 03:26:28 PM
By the way...Make sure they check your cables
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: BIGDOG on July 24, 2008, 09:56:34 AM
Well the saga continues, MOCO told the tech to replace ECM to correct the cruise control problem, that did not do the trick. The tech has worked on it off and on for 4 days no luck. The service tech at Harley is going on vacation so they won't be working on the bike until he gets back.[that is not what I want to hear] I have to think that they have issues with there ECM'S and maybe I can get them to try another one today.Have a trip planned for the 1st of August so hopping to resolve ASAP. :(
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Eqcons on July 24, 2008, 10:34:24 AM
Well the saga continues, MOCO told the tech to replace ECM to correct the cruise control problem, that did not do the trick. The tech has worked on it off and on for 4 days no luck. The service tech at Harley is going on vacation so they won't be working on the bike until he gets back.[that is not what I want to hear] I have to think that they have issues with there ECM'S and maybe I can get them to try another one today.Have a trip planned for the 1st of August so hopping to resolve ASAP. :(

For what it's worth, I seem to have cured mine by tightening the (little extra) slack on the idle cable.... that's not going to help yours though!

Jim
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Buvy on July 24, 2008, 11:37:31 AM
I too have had cruise control problems this summer.

I've had the following problems...
Won't engage at all
Will only engage when I push resume but not set
From being off I turn the switch to on and the green cruise light will be on with the bike not even running
Cruise will be set and the light will stay green but the bike will begin decelerating
I press accelerate and it will disengage the cruise control

Fortunately I'm still under warranty.
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: BIGDOG on July 24, 2008, 12:22:05 PM
I too have had cruise control problems this summer.

I've had the following problems...
Won't engage at all
Will only engage when I push resume but not set
From being off I turn the switch to on and the green cruise light will be on with the bike not even running
Cruise will be set and the light will stay green but the bike will begin decelerating
I press accelerate and it will disengage the cruise control

Fortunately I'm still under warranty.

With the exception of the 3rd issue you have , mine is exactly the same . I to am under warranty but being as we have such a short good weather riding season I would really prefer to be riding no waiting for Harley  to get it right.
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: BIGDOG on July 25, 2008, 08:04:53 PM
Just got word the cruise is fixed. It turns out the ECM was bad and the guide for installing a new Ecm had a error and they re installed and it works now. LOLO pass here I come. :bananarock:
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: bbrown on July 25, 2008, 08:11:58 PM
Just got word the cruise is fixed. It turns out the ECM was bad and the guide for installing a new Ecm had a error and they re installed and it works now. LOLO pass here I come. :bananarock:
[EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO MINE  CONGRATS/quote]
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Steve_G on July 26, 2008, 01:40:50 PM
I had a problem with my cruise control yesterday.  I was going about 45 mph when I tried to set it.  The green light came on, but the bike started slowing down as if I hadn't really activated cruise.  The green light was still on so I tried to bump up the acceleration a couple of times, but it was like the cruise was off.  Then the green light went out.  I tried to engage it again, but no green light.  After I got out on the highway I kept trying to engage it, but no luck.  For some reason I thought I would try turning the accessory switch on and suddenly I was able to use my cruise!  I tried turning the accessory switch off, and my cruise still worked.  (The accessory switch shouldn't be related to the cruise anyway!)   The rest of the day the cruise worked fine, but I can't help but believe the problem will surface again.
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: BIGDOG on July 26, 2008, 04:50:49 PM
I had a problem with my cruise control yesterday.  I was going about 45 mph when I tried to set it.  The green light came on, but the bike started slowing down as if I hadn't really activated cruise.  The green light was still on so I tried to bump up the acceleration a couple of times, but it was like the cruise was off.  Then the green light went out.  I tried to engage it again, but no green light.  After I got out on the highway I kept trying to engage it, but no luck.  For some reason I thought I would try turning the accessory switch on and suddenly I was able to use my cruise!  I tried turning the accessory switch off, and my cruise still worked.  (The accessory switch shouldn't be related to the cruise anyway!)   The rest of the day the cruise worked fine, but I can't help but believe the problem will surface again.
That's the way mine started. If it just flat quits working then it's a new ECM module for you. I thought mine was ready to go but the new ECM won't accept my SERT so the dealer has to ask Harley to pay for a new one as it was their defect that was the original problem.  :-\
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: UK Dave on July 27, 2008, 06:22:28 AM
Hi Guys

Work and other stuff has kept me off the forum for a while but I'm still riding!!

I just had the bike back from the dealer after the 30,000 mile service and some stuff that they missed when it was in for repair after a gentle front end collision - stop go traffic, guy in front stopped - I didn't...

Anyway

I'm all set for a 500 mile trip the next day and just take the bike out for a shakedown when I find the cruise has stopped working.

I don't make that much use of it normally but this was going to be a long haul on the motorway system so I was looking forward to engaging cruise and maintaining a good speed average.

The symptoms were that when I operated the set switch on the RH grip the lamp in the Tach would change to green momentarily but flick back to red immediately.

I suspected it had to be one of the overrides causing the problem but I also checked the error codes as per the Clymer Manual

Error code showed "sudden increase in revs detected" (or similar) but of course this could be a historic code that hadn't been reset some time previous.

The brake light switches seemed to be OK - no lamps on when they shouldn't be - so then I was thinking it might be a connection from the Tach or something

While the bike had been in for service, the dealer had been inside the fairing to replace the inner suppport brackets which were both broken in the "incident" and I was concerned that a connector had been dislodged or similar.

So I was just about to pull the fairing off and go through all the connections, when I got smart...

I logged on here, did a quick search - and came straight to Eqcons' (Jim's) problem.

I read through the general advice and comments and went back to the bike and disconnected the "throttle close switch" on the throttle cable in front of the tank.

Problem fixed.  :)

I guess as part of the "service" the throttle and idle cables were adjusted but the operation of the cruise wasn't checked.

Either that or the switch coincidentally went faulty...

Either way it's not an issue - I don't rely on shutting the throttle to deactivate - I always use front brake - and now I have cruise back  :jalapeno:

Cheers

Dave
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Eqcons on July 27, 2008, 06:49:46 AM
I'd check the idle cable adjustment, and re-do the procedure for calibrating the cruise control Dave - only takes a minute.

I always use the fronnt brake to turn it off too - except that for some reason, the brake light has stopped working off my fronto brake (still works off the back) so now using the throttle rolloff to disengage...
Jim
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: SERK3 on July 27, 2008, 07:39:08 AM
Be Careful, Mine was doing all of the above as well, Dealer replaced the module, still would do the same as before, While riding i started playing with the on/off switch, green light came on, set cruise and has worked ever since and have not turned the switch off since. But, I can have cruise set then all of a sudden it will take off on its own, Last time that happened i had to shut it down at 90 mph and the cruise is not suppose to go above 80.  :o :o
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Steve_G on July 27, 2008, 12:17:17 PM
That's the way mine started. If it just flat quits working then it's a new ECM module for you. I thought mine was ready to go but the new ECM won't accept my SERT so the dealer has to ask Harley to pay for a new one as it was their defect that was the original problem.  :-\
They SHOULD pay for a new SERT for you, and I'm glad to hear they did.  I hope they also pay for a new dyno tune.
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Badger Mike on June 08, 2010, 02:10:56 PM
Guy's I know this is a really old thread, but I'm havingsimilar  Cruise Control problems on my 2010 Street Glide.  Will work for a while and then cuts out.  Historical data shows clutch disengaging the cruise and the dealer has indicated that they had broken the clutch pin when doing the 1,000 mile service, but they feel that's not the problem.

The dealer wants to blame it on the PCV that's installed as the cruise and 6 speed light both work when we drive without the PCV, but I've recently had a Power Commander send me a new PCV and have the same issues, so that rules that out in my mind.

The only thing I can think of here is that there is a wiring problem.  It goes into the dealer tomorrow, so I'm trying to get the dealer pointed in the right direction instead of just blaming the PCV.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: grc on June 08, 2010, 03:37:05 PM
Guy's I know this is a really old thread, but I'm havingsimilar  Cruise Control problems on my 2010 Street Glide.  Will work for a while and then cuts out.  Historical data shows clutch disengaging the cruise and the dealer has indicated that they had broken the clutch pin when doing the 1,000 mile service, but they feel that's not the problem.
The dealer wants to blame it on the PCV  that's installed as the cruise and 6 speed light both work when we drive without the PCV, but I've recently had a Power Commander send me a new PCV and have the same issues, so that rules that out in my mind.

The only thing I can think of here is that there is a wiring problem.  It goes into the dealer tomorrow, so I'm trying to get the dealer pointed in the right direction instead of just blaming the PCV.  Any thoughts?

Did the cruise control problem exist before your dealer did the service?  Did it show up right after they did the service?  If you can answer no to the first and yes to the second question, then no matter what the turkey's want to blame it on, they need to go back and figure out what they did to screw up the clutch switch or it's wiring.  The code shows the cruise disengagement was due to the clutch disengagement, correct?  There is a switch in the left handlebar switch housing that tells the ECM when the clutch is disengaged.  I have no idea what "pin" they broke, but if it was the pivot pin for the clutch lever (how the heck can you break that?), or anything related to the clutch lever, then the number one suspect is the clutch switch. 

BTW, assuming the pin they broke is in the clutch lever/master cylinder/switch housing area, did they mention why they were screwing with it?  There is nothing in the 1000 mile service that requires disassembling anything in that area other than the reservoir cover to check the fluid level.  Sure hope the "tech" wasn't taking it apart to lubricate the nonexistent cable.


Jerry
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Badger Mike on June 08, 2010, 03:47:08 PM
The problem was happening before and after the 1k service.  Their test was to run the bike on the Dyno without the PCV (about 50 miles) and the cruise worked properly.  Then the plugged in the PCV and in about 15 miles the cruise disengaged, so they blamed the problem on the PCV and sent me on my merry way, back to my local guy who they don't like anyways.

It was about a week later that the dealership left me a VM saying that my clutch pin was in.  When I called them to tell them that I didn't order a clutch pin, nor did i know what a clutch pin was, they said that the tech had written "clutch pin damaged" on the inspection report and put one on order.  They could not confirm if it was damaged by them or before they did the service.  I was a bit pissed when they told me to be careful because my bike could now be started in gear.  I guess that's something I would have liked to have known a week earlier as I drove the bike home >:(

Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: grc on June 08, 2010, 04:00:34 PM
The problem was happening before and after the 1k service.  Their test was to run the bike on the Dyno without the PCV (about 50 miles) and the cruise worked properly.  Then the plugged in the PCV and in about 15 miles the cruise disengaged, so they blamed the problem on the PCV and sent me on my merry way, back to my local guy who they don't like anyways.

It was about a week later that the dealership left me a VM saying that my clutch pin was in.  When I called them to tell them that I didn't order a clutch pin, nor did i know what a clutch pin was, they said that the tech had written "clutch pin damaged" on the inspection report and put one on order.  They could not confirm if it was damaged by them or before they did the service.  I was a bit pissed when they told me to be careful because my bike could now be started in gear.  I guess that's something I would have liked to have known a week earlier as I drove the bike home  >:(



Based on that, it appears that they at least understand that the clutch switch can be affected by whatever "pin" they're talking about.  Wonder why they don't also understand that the clutch switch will also affect the cruise control.  I'd still suggest getting whatever "pin" they're talking about fixed, and having them verify the clutch switch operation, before looking for problems with the PC.  The clutch switch is still the number one suspect, IMHO.


Jerry
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: bbrown on June 08, 2010, 04:11:45 PM
Based on that, it appears that they at least understand that the clutch switch can be affected by whatever "pin" they're talking about.  Wonder why they don't also understand that the clutch switch will also affect the cruise control.  I'd still suggest getting whatever "pin" they're talking about fixed, and having them verify the clutch switch operation, before looking for problems with the PC.  The clutch switch is still the number one suspect, IMHO.


Jerry

I have had this happen three times and each time it was corrected by changing the trottle control switch (right handle bar.)  You can test this by unplugging this switch wire located on the right hand side of the bike right in front of the tank on the right side of the main front fork.  Take it for a ride if it stops going off of cruise then it is that switch
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Badger Mike on June 08, 2010, 04:37:50 PM
They're fixing the clutch pin and the left blinker (which went out last week) tomorrow.  Along with the seat and the back rest, and hopefully the cruise control...

A reasonable person could come to the conclusion that since the problem occurred only when the PCV was plugged into the bike during the time we ran it on the dyno, that it is a PCV issue.  But since we put a new PCV in, and no one else running a PCV seems to be having this problem then it would seem that it's an HD issue somewhere.

I guess we'll know more in the next few days.
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Twolanerider on June 08, 2010, 05:27:14 PM

 The clutch switch is still the number one suspect, IMHO.

Jerry

Actually might be; even when considering the sixth gear light going out.  Only supposition of course.  The light works when the ratio of engine rpm and highway speed are within the predetermined range.  So I was making the assumption that the clutch switch wouldn't override the system reading that comparison and still think the bike was in sixth.  But the software could just as easily be programmed to assume neutral or otherwise out of range when it's signaled that the clutch is engaged.

Anyone ever tried this?  If you're on the highway in sixth and need to gear down does the sixth gear idiot light go out immediately upon pulling in the clutch lever or only after the highway speed relative to engine RPM has dropped?
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: SBB on June 08, 2010, 05:29:39 PM
  If you're on the highway in sixth and need to gear down does the sixth gear idiot light go out immediately upon pulling in the clutch lever or only after the highway speed relative to engine RPM has dropped?


09 SEUC

Pull in clutch, 6th gear light goes out.

 :2vrolijk_21:

SBB
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Twolanerider on June 08, 2010, 05:31:39 PM

09 SEUC

Pull in clutch, 6th gear light goes out.

 :2vrolijk_21:

SBB

Thanks Chip.  So the clutch switch itself would account for both dropping the sixth gear light and disengaging the cruise control.  Could've been programmed either way.  Nice to know how it works :2vrolijk_21: .
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: SBB on June 08, 2010, 05:39:50 PM
Thanks Chip.  So the clutch switch itself would account for both dropping the sixth gear light and disengaging the cruise control   Yes, that also!.  Could've been programmed either way.  Nice to know how it works :2vrolijk_21: .

 :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: CRUISE CONTROL PROBLEMS
Post by: Badger Mike on June 13, 2010, 05:25:23 PM
No luck with the dealer as of yesterday.  Still can't figure out why the left blinker won't work, and still can't pin point why the 6th speed light and cruise cut out when the PCV is plugged in.  The dealer is simply putting the blame on the PCV, but there is something going on between the way the PCV and the ECM are communicating.  I'm not sure either one is "broken", just not talking :nixweiss: