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103 verus 110
« on: October 19, 2014, 10:58:55 AM »

What is the real difference between the 103 motor verus the 110 besides price ? I just purchased a 2015 Breakout 103 which I thought looked a lot cleaner in vivid black then the 110. Is it a horse power thing?
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2014, 12:00:49 PM »

What is the real difference between the 103 motor verus the 110 besides price ? I just purchased a 2015 Breakout 103 which I thought looked a lot cleaner in vivid black then the 110. Is it a horse power thing?


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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2014, 12:17:27 PM »

About 7 hp less and 7 cu in less between the two of them
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2014, 12:27:21 PM »

Thanks Steve Cole. Thats a better answer then jswere. Thats what I was after. Thanks Again.
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2014, 02:15:47 PM »

Thanks Steve Cole. Thats a better answer then jswere. Thats what I was after. Thanks Again.


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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2014, 12:41:10 PM »

What is the real difference between the 103 motor verus the 110 besides price ? I just purchased a 2015 Breakout 103 which I thought looked a lot cleaner in vivid black then the 110. Is it a horse power thing?

Heads and 4" bore are larger on the 110", as well as the 110" has the 255 cam.
Completely different configuration than a 103".
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2014, 03:49:04 PM »

Is the OP trying to compare the 103 non-CVO to the 110 CVO bike? He said he liked the black that looked "cleaner in vivid black" than I presume was the CVO Breakout? If that is the case there is much more to compare. Do the engines really look all that different?
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2014, 05:27:48 PM »

Not at all. I just wanted to know the difference between the two. Nothing more. Both motors look identical. And thats why the question. And Steve Cole addressed that point.
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2014, 03:45:55 PM »

I understand and when I did re read the question you were very clear. Understanding on the web is not always easy for me.
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2014, 04:35:44 PM »

About 7 hp less and 7 cu in less between the two of them

Don't forget the 20-30 deg. difference in oil temps.........with the 110" being the higher of the two.
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2014, 07:27:15 PM »

Don't forget the extra rattles and compensator issues that are "normal" for the 110.
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2014, 08:24:52 PM »

OK...I have a question(s):
  1) what exactly is this compensator I keep reading about?
  2) and, what exactly does it compensate for?
  3) finally, why does it seem to be such a problematic component in 110's.
Please...don't tell me that as a new SERK owner I'll have wait for it to crap-out to understand!
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2014, 05:02:26 AM »

OK...I have a question(s):
  1) what exactly is this compensator I keep reading about?
  2) and, what exactly does it compensate for?
  3) finally, why does it seem to be such a problematic component in 110's.
Please...don't tell me that as a new SERK owner I'll have wait for it to crap-out to understand!

1. It's basically the primary drive sprocket on the left end of the engine shaft. It has three ramps and springs in it, to attempt to provide some cushioning between the engine and the rest of the drive train when you transition between power on and power off.

2. Its function is to help compensate for the stresses that are delivered to the crank shaft via the primary chain from the rest of the drive train, to provide a smoother transition between power on and power off. Harley cranks are notorious for having high runout ever since they went with the pressed-together crank on the Twin Cam engines. The compensating sprocket is an attempt to keep these cranks living longer, by trying to take up some of the slop in the rest of the drive train, so the force doesn't bang on the crank so hard when you accelerate or decelerate.

3. The comp has always been a troublesome component. The MoCo is on their 4th or 5th design change on this thing, and they continue to fail prematurely. It got worse in '07 when they implemented the new CruiseDrive drivetrain for the 96" engines, and the 110" engines on the CVOs. The newest comp version has a plastic ramp that glues onto the inside of the primary cover, to attempt to provide better oiling of the comp. The '14-up outer primary covers have the ramp already molded into them from the factory.

I've been thinking about going to the Evolution Industries solid sprocket to get rid of the comp altogether. But then, I'd probably have to get my crank welded/plugged/balanced, with the Timken bearing, so IT wouldn't fail prematurely. I will probably have to do that anyway at some point.

Unless you ride very lightly, you will have comp issues at some point. I ride hard, and my comp is going at 19,000 miles. Many have failed with many less miles. Engine kickback on starting, a backfire on starting, rattling noise in the front of the primary, a loud THUNK when turning the engine off, and general jerkiness in the drive train are all symptoms of comp failure.  My bike has all of these symptoms.

Hope this helps.

Ken
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2014, 08:12:44 AM »

get the 103",do 107" conversion.youll have a better motor with more HP/TQ than a stock 110

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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2014, 08:35:21 AM »

1. It's basically the primary drive sprocket on the left end of the engine shaft. It has three ramps and springs in it, to attempt to provide some cushioning between the engine and the rest of the drive train when you transition between power on and power off.

2. Its function is to help compensate for the stresses that are delivered to the crank shaft via the primary chain from the rest of the drive train, to provide a smoother transition between power on and power off. Harley cranks are notorious for having high runout ever since they went with the pressed-together crank on the Twin Cam engines. The compensating sprocket is an attempt to keep these cranks living longer, by trying to take up some of the slop in the rest of the drive train, so the force doesn't bang on the crank so hard when you accelerate or decelerate.

3. The comp has always been a troublesome component. The MoCo is on their 4th or 5th design change on this thing, and they continue to fail prematurely. It got worse in '07 when they implemented the new CruiseDrive drivetrain for the 96" engines, and the 110" engines on the CVOs. The newest comp version has a plastic ramp that glues onto the inside of the primary cover, to attempt to provide better oiling of the comp. The '14-up outer primary covers have the ramp already molded into them from the factory.

I've been thinking about going to the Evolution Industries solid sprocket to get rid of the comp altogether. But then, I'd probably have to get my crank welded/plugged/balanced, with the Timken bearing, so IT wouldn't fail prematurely. I will probably have to do that anyway at some point.

Unless you ride very lightly, you will have comp issues at some point. I ride hard, and my comp is going at 19,000 miles. Many have failed with many less miles. Engine kickback on starting, a backfire on starting, rattling noise in the front of the primary, a loud THUNK when turning the engine off, and general jerkiness in the drive train are all symptoms of comp failure.  My bike has all of these symptoms.

Hope this helps.

Ken

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Hit the nail on the head.. However you do not have to deal with there is a fix..

www.compensaver.com      Follow the contact info and you can order it online.



 But Ken give me a call when you have time please. I want to send you a kit to install on that bike. I know it will solve all the issues you have  ;)
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