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04-05 Starter noise when hot-my fix
« on: April 27, 2008, 08:54:33 PM »

I bought my 05 used with 6700 miles and it always cranked and sounded great when cold but the starter sounded terrible when cranking when the engine was hot.  Several 04-05 owners had/have this problem and many do not.

It made the noise with Rineharts and the std download, stock exhaust and SERT, and V&H TD headpipes and SERT..  With the SERT, I even lowered the cranking fuel numbers to the lowest allowable in every table over 100 degrees engine temperature.

The only thing the dealer did under warranty was to replace the starter drive pinion gear.  Once at the dealer I started the bike at least 15 times when hot and never made the noise.  I have lived with the noise but was finally getting worse as people would look at you at a gas station or bike event.

A couple of weeks before York I did the following:

1) Replaced the 10-102 tooth MOCO ringear with a 10-84 tooth ring gear set from Rivera.

2) Installed a Rivera jackshaft kit.

3)  Installed a MOCO chrome starter.

After approx 1200 miles, it has been starting/sounding great when cold or HOT (knock wood).

The Rivera ringear is smaller in diameter than the removed ringear and the pinion gear is larger diameter.  The teeth on the Rivera ringear are aslo spaced further apart.

The old removed jackshaft and starter pinion looked fine.  The old ringear looked fine while mounted in the primary but once removed from the clutch basket you could see a few small chips and the gear pattern between the teeth didn't look right.

Hope this helps someone who has this dreaded cranking noise when hot.  I don't know whether I fixed the problem or disguised the real problem?    :nixweiss:   For now, it has never sounded better.




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Re: 04-05 Starter noise when hot-my fix
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2008, 09:42:43 PM »

Bob,

The ratio you posted seems like it would be more work turning over the engine, are they the correct numbers?

My bike makes the same noise, and of course everytime it was at the dealer they could not duplicate it.

I gave them several pieces of metal I pulled out of the primary oil, looked exactly like ring gear teeth. They still found no problem. I bought the full 7 year warranty, that is the only reason I didn't push the subject with them. Figured it will eventually go and I'll just get it taken care of then.
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Re: 04-05 Starter noise when hot-my fix
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2008, 01:15:50 AM »

http://www.compufire.com/harley-main.html

Scroll down just under their starters.


http://www.riveraengineering.com/html/cat-r-pdf.php?fn=seat-mfg/Clutch_and_Driveline_pg_131.pdf

The Rivera link doesn't get you to the exact page but it is on page 131 under clutch/driveline.

With the 84 tooth ringear, the engine seems to crank over better when the motor is hot.  Before, when the grinding noise occured, the motor almost seemed to kickback.

You can not buy the ringear seperate from Harley, just the clutch basket with the ringear.  I made my decision from what I read on these 2 sites.  Hope this helps. 
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Re: 04-05 Starter noise when hot-my fix
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2008, 06:37:46 AM »

I also have had a starting problem & I am in the process of fitting the Compu-Fire 1084 Gear Set. Looked like a great option to me.

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Re: 04-05 Starter noise when hot-my fix
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2008, 07:08:32 AM »

Maybe you guys need ACRs like we have in the 110's?
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Re: 04-05 Starter noise when hot-my fix
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2008, 10:14:02 AM »

Maybe you guys need ACRs like we have in the 110's?

I don't know.  Right now I couldn't ask for it to crank and sound any better.

Also, the 06's had 103's and I never heard of them with this problem, just 04-05's..
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Re: 04-05 Starter noise when hot-my fix
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2008, 03:34:02 PM »

I don't know.  Right now I couldn't ask for it to crank and sound any better.

Also, the 06's had 103's and I never heard of them with this problem, just 04-05's..


And it sounds nasty
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Re: 04-05 Starter noise when hot-my fix
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2008, 07:39:27 PM »

And it sounds nasty

It's embarassing for someone to tell you that you have a nice bike and then start it up and here the dreaded sound.
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Re: 04-05 Starter noise when hot-my fix
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2008, 08:07:09 PM »

It's embarassing for someone to tell you that you have a nice bike and then start it up and here the dreaded sound.


Especially riding with my honda buddies
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