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103 S E stage 4 kit
« on: December 11, 2008, 12:58:04 PM »

 does the cruise control work with this set up?   is anyone running this set up and if so , how is it, claims to have 110 hp
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Re: 103 S E stage 4 kit
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2008, 02:25:15 PM »

Which stage4 are you talking about?  Do you have a link to the information? 

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Re: 103 S E stage 4 kit
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2008, 03:02:07 PM »

my stealer just said stage 4  103,.... it comes with a package , cyls. pistons, bigger throttle body, heads with comp. releases, and so on ,...i guess there's more than one
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Re: 103 S E stage 4 kit
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2008, 03:14:08 PM »

Not only are there HD Dealers, but others that offer similiar type of packages.   Do you know which throttlebody your dealer is talking about?  Is it for cabled or FBW ?   
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Re: 103 S E stage 4 kit
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 04:01:05 PM »

it would be for an 09 rg , no cables
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Re: 103 S E stage 4 kit
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2008, 05:11:11 PM »

my stealer gave me the part no. for the kit  27517-08  comes with t.b., cyls. pist. ,race tuner ....  says 110 hp    would this be a streetable set up
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Re: 103 S E stage 4 kit
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2008, 05:34:43 PM »

my stealer gave me the part no. for the kit  27517-08  comes with t.b., cyls. pist. ,race tuner ....  says 110 hp    would this be a streetable set up

Definitely not street legal, but it should be streetable.
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A. SCREAMIN’ EAGLE® PRO
STAGE IV KIT – 103 CUBIC INCHES*
Here’s a 103 cubic inch racing kit that puts it all together
for you. If your looking to build a fast, track ready, 103 kit
and want to buy all the components you need to maximize
your results, here’s the kit! This eliminates the guess work
on what components you should use and what works well
together. We’ve put all the components together including
SE performance heads that provide a great performance
upgrade for a 103ci at a very attractive price. Kit includes our
high performance / high flow Screamin’ Eagle Performance
110+ Heads
which include large intake valves at 2.125" diameter
(our biggest ever), high compression forged aluminum
10.5:1 pistons matched to the 110+ heads, an SE260 cam to
open the valves appropriately, allowing the right balance of
air and fuel to enter, Perfect-Fit Pushrods to accommodate
the higher cam lift, a 58mm EFI throttle body to get that air
flow to the heads, big 3-7/8" diameter highlighted cylinders,
then topping off this kit off with a “must have” Super Tuner
to provide the right tuning capabilities. Kit includes gaskets.
For race application only.
*Recalibration is required for proper installation, and will
allow engine to rev to 6200 RPM. See dealer for details.
Labor cost not included.
27516-08 Black. $2,398.95
Fits ‘07-later Dyna®, ‘07-later Softail® and
‘07 Touring models. Not compatible with cruise control.
27517-08 Black. $2,398.95
Fits ‘08-later Touring models (except FLHTCUTG).

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Jerry



 
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Re: 103 S E stage 4 kit
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2008, 06:20:02 PM »

that must be the kit he's talking about, but would it be ok for everyday use, town and country riding
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Re: 103 S E stage 4 kit
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2008, 06:51:36 PM »

If this is a bagger, I would suggest a different cam.  If it is a dyno or light bike it would probably be ok.   If you are looking for stump pulling you may have to change the configuration a bit.

It is streetable, but depending on the bike may not be favorable riding depending on your style.

An Example might be to take your 103 heads send them to a porter, new lifters depending on how many miles on the ones you have, buy a cam the porter tells you and with the pistons they recommend and the depending on year get the throttlebody needed.   If it is FBW then you are stuck atm with Harley's. 

What year bike do you have?   What type of bike do you have?   What is your riding style?

As an example my wifes bike is a 103 with a horsepower inc 53 mm, flat top pistons, heads done by Al Redman  10.25 to 1 with manual compression releases, Freedom yb13 Cam, factory HD lifters and a K&N air filter and rineharts and this 103 turns 117/115.   It is not a monster out of the hole by choice.  Michelle does not do holeshots and will only play while rolling on so this is the best of both worlds and she gets around 37 mpg avg.   The build has almost 25k miles on it and has been problem free.

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Re: 103 S E stage 4 kit
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2008, 07:30:52 PM »

 i was thinking of buying a 09 rg and putting this kit in it,.... i got a 103 seeg now, but it don't have a lot of zip like this kit offers
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Re: 103 S E stage 4 kit
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2008, 07:46:13 PM »

without mincing words this kit is umm not so great.   80 torque at 2500 is nothing.   As far as the 09 Roadglide there are many better combinations for a heavy bike like that other than this setup.   This is a top end runner and not such a great combo at that.   I think if you take a look at the guys who have 103's and installed just the zippers cams 575 they were looking at 112-115 torque and around 100-105 horsepower and the power is instant on with stock compression.   I think the only draw back is a little bit of noise from the gear drive and ramping of the cam in the valve train still not bad by any means.

Again if I were you, I would pick up a setup of stock heads off Ebay, have the work done on them, put in a matching cam without auto compression releases (they seem to come loose no matter what HD tells you), run a 50 or 58mm fbw throttlebody, flat top piston and move on down the road. 

Hell if you were stuck on HD parts, buy the kit they offer under the understanding that you are not using the 260 cam and build the 103 and put a 204 or 251 cam in it since it is a bagger and enjoy the ride, even with the 110+ heads I would have the heads looked at for intake and exhaust port cleaned up, possible swirl, multi angle valve job, matching intake to porting, manual releases vs. auto's, and flat top pistons.
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Re: 103 S E stage 4 kit
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2008, 09:16:48 PM »

thanks for your info unbalanced
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Re: 103 S E stage 4 kit
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2008, 11:24:56 PM »

To answer the original question, yes the cruise control works with this kit.  I have it installed on my bike and have had no problems using the cruise...
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Re: 103 S E stage 4 kit
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2008, 12:35:43 PM »

Definitely not street legal, but it should be streetable.
-------------------------------------
A. SCREAMIN’ EAGLE® PRO
STAGE IV KIT – 103 CUBIC INCHES*
Here’s a 103 cubic inch racing kit that puts it all together
for you. If your looking to build a fast, track ready, 103 kit
and want to buy all the components you need to maximize
your results, here’s the kit! This eliminates the guess work
on what components you should use and what works well
together. We’ve put all the components together including
SE performance heads that provide a great performance
upgrade for a 103ci at a very attractive price. Kit includes our
high performance / high flow Screamin’ Eagle Performance
110+ Heads
which include large intake valves at 2.125" diameter
(our biggest ever), high compression forged aluminum
10.5:1 pistons matched to the 110+ heads, an SE260 cam to
open the valves appropriately, allowing the right balance of
air and fuel to enter, Perfect-Fit Pushrods to accommodate
the higher cam lift, a 58mm EFI throttle body to get that air
flow to the heads, big 3-7/8" diameter highlighted cylinders,
then topping off this kit off with a “must have” Super Tuner
to provide the right tuning capabilities. Kit includes gaskets.
For race application only.
*Recalibration is required for proper installation, and will
allow engine to rev to 6200 RPM. See dealer for details.
Labor cost not included.
27516-08 Black. $2,398.95
Fits ‘07-later Dyna®, ‘07-later Softail® and
‘07 Touring models. Not compatible with cruise control.
27517-08 Black. $2,398.95
Fits ‘08-later Touring models (except FLHTCUTG).

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Help keep me staight on this.

This is a Harley dyno run.  They use an engine vs a chasis dyno, so what you see on a dyno run will be several % lower.
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Re: 103 S E stage 4 kit
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2008, 07:07:55 PM »


Help keep me staight on this.

This is a Harley dyno run.  They use an engine vs a chasis dyno, so what you see on a dyno run will be several % lower.

Actually, that graph is from a chassis (rear wheel output) dyno.  Look at the legend on the right hand side of the graph.

The graph's Harley includes in their catalogs, regular and SE, are rear wheel output.  I've noticed over the years that the results they publish are similar to results from independent sources, so at least in these instances they seem to be providing straight info.

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Re: 103 S E stage 4 kit
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2008, 11:52:03 PM »

Actually, that graph is from a chassis (rear wheel output) dyno.  Look at the legend on the right hand side of the graph.

The graph's Harley includes in their catalogs, regular and SE, are rear wheel output.  I've noticed over the years that the results they publish are similar to results from independent sources, so at least in these instances they seem to be providing straight info.

Jerry

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Re: 103 S E stage 4 kit
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2009, 08:57:48 AM »

I put together a 2009 Street Glide with the Harley Stage IV. The bike now has 5K miles. Very Streetable. Dyno runs show 110hp/ 106tq- rear wheel output. The only thing the kit is lacking are the automatic decompression valves and harness'. No significant sacrifice to mileage. Ran 13.2 @ 102MPH in the 1/4. I absolutely love the kit (especially when it was purchased on a dealers 20% off day) The bike runs stock up to about 3000rpm then as it comes up on the cam it flutters for an instant then HANG ON. The kit is definitely top end but nothing lost down low. For the money I don't see how this kit could be beat. The shock value of watching a bagger bring the front end 1' off of the ground at 25mph and carrying it is priceless.
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Re: 103 S E stage 4 kit
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2009, 01:26:23 AM »

Personally I wouldn't go 10.5-1 with todays gas (if you can call it that).
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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2009, 01:33:42 AM »

I put together a 2009 Street Glide with the Harley Stage IV. .......Ran 13.2 @ 102MPH in the 1/4.

Not bad for a bagger I suppose.  My FXR4 with a Stage IV still just 80ci EVO (+ a couple tweeks, 2into1 V&H and Mikuni) ran a best of 11.94 @ 110.  Probably could have done a little better with additional tweaking as I was barely into 4th gear.  Rev limiter set at 6800 it would run 105 in third and bury the speedo in 4th gear with the original gearing. 
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