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110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« on: January 05, 2009, 02:07:28 PM »

2000 miles and I think I am ready to do a few mods to the 09 SEUC and have been searching for the best pipe, software, breather and cams to do this with.

Just found this website for Woods Performance and would really like for my bike to produce these numbers.
http://www.woodcarbs.com/images/tc110efitw9bg

Does anyone have any FIRST HAND experience with this group? 

If you have your own setup that you would recommend I would really appreciate you posting your mods and Dyno sheets.

Thanks
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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2009, 03:09:41 PM »

2000 miles and I think I am ready to do a few mods to the 09 SEUC and have been searching for the best pipe, software, breather and cams to do this with.

Just found this website for Woods Performance and would really like for my bike to produce these numbers.
http://www.woodcarbs.com/images/tc110efitw9bg

Does anyone have any FIRST HAND experience with this group? 

If you have your own setup that you would recommend I would really appreciate you posting your mods and Dyno sheets.

Thanks

:cowboy: Welcome from Texas :cowboy:                                                     :welcome_005:  :cherry:

Go to New Member Section tell us about your self and post some pictures of your bike

BTW, tried your link and it would not go there,.  I was able to get to http://www.woodcarbs.com however.

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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2009, 03:10:04 PM »

Your mods will depend on what your are willing to do with the engine.

Are you looking for bolt-in(no head work) Cams?
What numbers are you looking to get too??

I have been selling and installing Wood cams for quite some time and can tell you that there stuff works well. The numbers you are looking to get out of the engine, the dollars you are willing to spend, and the head work will determine what is feasible.

PS, your link above did not work.

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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2009, 04:15:53 PM »

I have upgraded the 88 CI on my 99 RK, then I put in a 95 CI in and when that was not enough, I went to a Zippers 107 CI and a lower compensator sprocket, Baker 6 speed with customized gears for that setup, by then I was having reliability issues so I eventually sold it. 

This is my second CVO and it does not seem to be has strong as the 103 ci on my 05 SEEG.  But if I can get by with a little head work, cams, pipes, software, or replace the ecm and a breather.... thats what I want to do.

I really like the way that engine made its torque (flat and early) and horsepower grows all the way to 5500 rpms.

I don't have a dollar figure in mind but will consider listening with an open mind, if you will suggest a setup.

I am not "the mad man, red light racer" any more but on an empty back road I like to hit it,with my riding buddies, and the rest of the time we are two up and of course loaded down. 

Right now its just seems chocked down so bad, and I want to open it up asap but I would like to see what's out there and what's working.  I do not want heavy top end noise either.

I hear the Wood components are good. Where is your shop?

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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2009, 04:32:47 PM »


This is the dyno chart Chrome O is referencing from Woods.

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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2009, 04:40:55 PM »

Those are better numbers than I got with freedom cams, but no head work.
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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2009, 05:49:02 PM »

Not a lot of choices with these newer engines. First off, HD are the only cases you can use to build a motor. And you can't buy a motor either, from anyone else but Jim's, who's in bed with HD anyway. They make a 120 and a 131 for the '07 & up. So you're left with using that, or a crappy bottom end to do a hipo top end on! Ooops, sorry, thanks for playing folks, you just scissorred your crank with all that power! So you have to build an engine for that kinda power if ya expect it to last. With Timkens and welded or forged cranks. And if you do that, you better know your chit on the way these 110's flow too, or find someone that does!!! But this ain't the old days of HD anymore! You're at their mercy much more than ya might know these days. Do your homework and find a GOOD builder that knows these things. Otherwise you'll go down the road like some of us throwing good money after bad at it! ;)

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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2009, 06:49:59 PM »

Do your homework and find a GOOD builder that knows these things. Otherwise you'll go down the road like some of us throwing good money after bad at it! ;)

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Reminds me of December 2006 when I was at Tmans shop going over my Jims 120.
He had a 110 on the bench. I asked what he was doing to it. He said, "Making it run and making it last"
I asked, what kind of numbers? He said, "Depending on headwork, T/B and cams, approx 120 to 135".
I have told many of his work and combinations.
I have never heard of an verified issue with any of his combinations.
Wonder if anyone has?
Even Jim (hd-dude) uses his stuff!

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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2009, 09:50:27 PM »

This with just set of gear drives, exact cam escapes me atm, and R&R stage 4 head work.  Power Commander, AC, and pipes of course too.  How the lower end will hold up is yet to be seen.  But there is power there if you go looking for it.
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2009, 10:12:05 PM »

This with just set of gear drives, exact cam escapes me atm, and R&R stage 4 head work.  Power Commander, AC, and pipes of course too.  How the lower end will hold up is yet to be seen.  But there is power there if you go looking for it.

Yep, was running over 126 Ft lbs and over 120HP. But wouldn't dare think about it on stock bottom end! 4-3/8" S&S leg and Timken in my motor! Now I just gotta get the top to stay together!!! ::) ;D ;D ;D ;) :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:

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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2009, 12:08:56 AM »

I have upgraded the 88 CI on my 99 RK, then I put in a 95 CI in and when that was not enough, I went to a Zippers 107 CI and a lower compensator sprocket, Baker 6 speed with customized gears for that setup, by then I was having reliability issues so I eventually sold it. 

This is my second CVO and it does not seem to be has strong as the 103 ci on my 05 SEEG.  But if I can get by with a little head work, cams, pipes, software, or replace the ecm and a breather.... thats what I want to do.

I really like the way that engine made its torque (flat and early) and horsepower grows all the way to 5500 rpms.

I don't have a dollar figure in mind but will consider listening with an open mind, if you will suggest a setup.

I am not "the mad man, red light racer" any more but on an empty back road I like to hit it,with my riding buddies, and the rest of the time we are two up and of course loaded down. 

Right now its just seems chocked down so bad, and I want to open it up asap but I would like to see what's out there and what's working.  I do not want heavy top end noise either.

I hear the Wood components are good. Where is your shop?



The 110 falls off pretty quick due to the short duration cams. Without any head work I would recommend a D&D Fatcat, Wood TW7H cams, Ness Big Sucker ( or high fow AC kit of your choice) and a tuner. This will give you the best bang for the buck and cool down the engine as well. It is also a pretty safe build power wise for the bottom end.

If you want to go into the heads and bottom end then the posibilities become almost endless. The build need to be looked at as a whole complete package.

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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2009, 10:08:52 AM »

HD-Dude

Thanks for the advice...

Its the way I am going to go.... I was already leaning towards the D&D, cause thats what I had on my RK. (The 107 Zippers never hit the big numbers until we changed the carb and added the Fat Cats.)

Have you all installed, any with this set up, and if so, have you Dynoed any? Would really feel more comfortable to see actual numbers, first.  I have read a ton on tuners,,,, what advice, on this subject if any, do you have?  Or point me to a post if you know of one.

I have decided to "only" do these changes for now due to warranty and it will give me something to look forward to later.

My biggest and really only frustration with this bike,,,is the slow revs and the throttle response.  I have to do this now!! I have actually almost made a couple of mistakes pulling out in front of traffic, hitting the gas and it just bogs down for a second, and I have to clutch it and back of the throttle and re-gas it in order for the motor to rev.  Probably more my riding style and what I am use to with my past bikes then this bike.  I have corrected this by reving the motor a lot more and then slipping the clutch a lot more and for a lot longer than I am used to.

I have to admit I expected a lot more low end torque and much better throtle responce from a 110!





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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2009, 07:02:03 PM »

HD-Dude

My biggest and really only frustration with this bike,,,is the slow revs and the throttle response.  I have to do this now!! I have actually almost made a couple of mistakes pulling out in front of traffic, hitting the gas and it just bogs down for a second, and I have to clutch it and back of the throttle and re-gas it in order for the motor to rev.  Probably more my riding style and what I am use to with my past bikes then this bike.  I have corrected this by reving the motor a lot more and then slipping the clutch a lot more and for a lot longer than I am used to.

I have to admit I expected a lot more low end torque and much better throtle responce from a 110!


Chrome O,

 Sounds like you have an issue with your bike.  Prior to your post, I had not heard anyone complain about slow revs or no bottom end on the '09 110s. My low end torque is actually quite impressive (and I'm accustomed to riding a 120"). The 255 cams that are responsible for that good torque are also largely responsible for the flatline performance above 4k, but that's another chapter.

You should have yours looked at by a competent mechanic to resolve the performance problem before implementing any upgrades.

Good luck.

I would look to resolve this problem prior to implementing any modifications from the stock configuration.
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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2009, 09:31:29 PM »

Question from the above info.  I have an 09 SE Ultra.  I have the Fullsac 2.25", Zipper Maxflo air cleaner, and Super SERT.  If I put in the Wood cam TW7H, would I have to change exhaust?
                                                      would I need to go to a larger throttle body?
                                                      would I get a noticeable gain?
                                                      would I need to do anything else?
I'd be willing to go to the D&D Fatcat, but I don't see a listing for one for the 09's.

I spoke to a service manager at a Harley dealer last week and he told me that I was wasting my money by just putting a different cam in.  He said that I wouldn't notice a difference.
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Re: 110 C.I MAKES 125 HP AND 125 Torque
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2009, 12:17:53 AM »

Question from the above info.  I have an 09 SE Ultra.  I have the Fullsac 2.25", Zipper Maxflo air cleaner, and Super SERT.  If I put in the Wood cam TW7H, would I have to change exhaust?  Need to? No. Will it perfrom better, Yes
                                                      would I need to go to a larger throttle body?Need to? No. Will it perfrom better, Yes especially on top
                                                      would I get a noticeable gain? Yes
                                                      would I need to do anything else? Yes, A dyno tune (preferable not from the dealer that told you the cam won't make a difference
I'd be willing to go to the D&D Fatcat, but I don't see a listing for one for the 09's. They do not list one for an 09, I have not installed one on an 09 yet myself but I know of two people that have
I spoke to a service manager at a Harley dealer last week and he told me that I was wasting my money by just putting a different cam in.  He said that I wouldn't notice a difference.I would go to another shop that knows about performance

Here is a dyno sheet from Wood's website: As you can see in the comparision of the stock SE 255 and Wood TW7H cam you would not notice any difference :P




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