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Rudy T

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SE Pro 110 Performance upgrade
« on: October 16, 2010, 05:07:46 AM »

Wondering if anyone has installed the SE Pro 110 Performance upgrade kit on a 110 and how much performance difference there was compared to stock? I just purchased a 2011 Black Cvo Street Glide.

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Re: SE Pro 110 Performance upgrade
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2010, 09:10:59 AM »

What all does this upgrade include and where do you look to see the performance gains. Cost?
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Re: SE Pro 110 Performance upgrade
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2010, 09:41:08 AM »

look there:

A. SCREAMIN’ EAGLE® PRO 110
PERFORMANCE UPGRADE KIT*


This kit was engineered and tested to upgrade the CVO™
110 powertrain for use on the race track. Designed to
maximize performance with the stock cylinder heads, this
“in-a-box” kit includes high compression 10.5:1 pistons,
SE-259E cams, Perfect Fit pushrods, high performance
clutch spring, and gaskets. The kit also includes the “must
have” Screamin’ Eagle Pro EFI Super Tuner module to
provide the right on-track tuning for maximum performance.
Installation provides significant improvements in
performance over the street-legal 110ci CVO vehicle configuration.
When equipped with high-flow air intake and highflow
exhaust, the combination has the potential to produce
114 HP and 110 ft lbs. of torque with the stock cylinder heads.
For race application only.

NOTE: Installation of automatic or manual compression
releases on large displacement engines is highly
recommended.
27548-10 $1,259.95
Fits ’07-later CVO models with 110ci Twin Cam engines.
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Re: SE Pro 110 Performance upgrade
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2010, 09:46:56 AM »

I just found the last discussion about it in May  ;)
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Re: SE Pro 110 Performance upgrade
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2010, 10:05:02 AM »

Be aware that in the USA it is not street legal, violates anti-tampering provisions of the emissions laws and regulations, and is not warranted.  You might want to ride that new bike without internal engine mods for a while first, to make sure there are no major problems.  Or maybe not, but I thought I would mention the things the typical dealer won't mention until after the fact.  In Australia, I don't know how the authorities would view the emissions issue, but I'm pretty certain H-D won't warrant internal engine mods in Australia any more than it would here.


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Re: SE Pro 110 Performance upgrade
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2010, 10:21:51 AM »

@Jerry:

could well be warranted in Australia as it is in EC for instance - but probably will be illegal as hell everywhere except in Russia  ;D
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Re: SE Pro 110 Performance upgrade
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2010, 10:13:03 AM »

No one on this planet could ever tell if this upgrade was even installed on a 110 motor, therefore worrying about whether or not it's legal is an utter waste of mental energey.
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Re: SE Pro 110 Performance upgrade
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2010, 04:20:40 AM »

@Heatwave:

anyone who can access the ECU will know without effort  ;)
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Re: SE Pro 110 Performance upgrade
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2010, 09:03:31 AM »

@Heatwave:

anyone who can access the ECU will know without effort  ;)

No police officer or Motor Vehicle inspector is ever going to access the ECU (at least in the US). Even if they could they would need a computer, cables and software to make any determination it was different from stock. Heck alot of bike owners don't even know where their ECU is located therefore I'm confident in making the statement that this upgrade would be completely invisible to anyone in law enforcement (at least in the US).
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Re: SE Pro 110 Performance upgrade
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2010, 01:31:26 PM »

My tuner saved his map (dyna link) an the ECU as the original filename that HD gave and so even if they sneak a peek it appears as an original HD map file.
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Re: SE Pro 110 Performance upgrade
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2010, 02:16:46 PM »


It isn't necessary to "peek" into the ECM to determine tampering, all it takes is for the authorities to require tailpipe testing just like what is currently required in many parts of this country (USA) for cars and trucks.  If you don't think it will ever happen, then don't sweat it.  I would suggest the same thing I did to the folks eager to change out their exhaust systems however.  Save the stock parts, 'cause you may need them in the future when a different group of legislators, local or federal, decides to get tough with bikers.  Ask the folks in California about the newly signed law for motorcycle exhaust system requirements, for instance.

My earlier point about legality wasn't meant to imply that the emissions police would be waiting around the corner if you bought and installed that kit.  But as hard as it might be for you to believe, Heatwave, there are people in this world who do care about such things.  And the gentleman asking the question isn't from the USA, so the lack of enforcement in this country doesn't have diddly to do with how they might handle things in Australia or any other country for that matter.  I made the point only to alert him and anyone else considering this kit that it does not comply with emissions laws in this country and probably won't in his country either.  It's a valid piece of information that might be important to some people.  If it isn't important to you, then feel free to ignore it. 

The other part of my post mentioned warranty.  Since I've already read more than one post from Australian site members indicating Harley in Australia will void the warranty for engine mods, once again I thought it wise to bring up the subject.  If you don't care about warranty, or you live somewhere where it isn't a concern due to warranty laws, then feel free to ignore this part of my post as well.  It won't hurt my feelings, and I promise not to waste any mental energy worrying about you ignoring it. 


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Re: SE Pro 110 Performance upgrade
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2010, 03:26:41 PM »

It isn't necessary to "peek" into the ECM to determine tampering, all it takes is for the authorities to require tailpipe testing just like what is currently required in many parts of this country (USA) for cars and trucks.  If you don't think it will ever happen, then don't sweat it.  I would suggest the same thing I did to the folks eager to change out their exhaust systems however.  Save the stock parts, 'cause you may need them in the future when a different group of legislators, local or federal, decides to get tough with bikers.  Ask the folks in California about the newly signed law for motorcycle exhaust system requirements, for instance.

My earlier point about legality wasn't meant to imply that the emissions police would be waiting around the corner if you bought and installed that kit.  But as hard as it might be for you to believe, Heatwave, there are people in this world who do care about such things.  And the gentleman asking the question isn't from the USA, so the lack of enforcement in this country doesn't have diddly to do with how they might handle things in Australia or any other country for that matter.  I made the point only to alert him and anyone else considering this kit that it does not comply with emissions laws in this country and probably won't in his country either.  It's a valid piece of information that might be important to some people.  If it isn't important to you, then feel free to ignore it.  

The other part of my post mentioned warranty.  Since I've already read more than one post from Australian site members indicating Harley in Australia will void the warranty for engine mods, once again I thought it wise to bring up the subject.  If you don't care about warranty, or you live somewhere where it isn't a concern due to warranty laws, then feel free to ignore this part of my post as well.  It won't hurt my feelings, and I promise not to waste any mental energy worrying about you ignoring it.  


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The sentiments are fair however not reflective of the situation or even my comments. The original views mislead others to think that there's some measure of "legal or regulatory" risk in installing this performance upgrade. I stand by my statement that there is absolutely no risk in the US (as I said in my earlier posts). There's no impact on the environment other than a favorable one when compared to operating most cars and an unfavorable one when compared to riding a bike.

This engine upgrade kit makes no changes to the exhaust so checking the exhaust is not at all releveant to installing this upgrade (although it recommends a high flow exhaust, it's not required to install this upgrade).

My view is that the notices by HD that these types of upgrades are for "off-road or track only" are nonsense and reinforced by others without any evidence that there's a risk. If you think you're going to save some glacier or a polar bear by avoiding upgrades to your engine, by all means knock yourself out. Just don't try to pass your view on to others as if it has the force of law behind it. It doesn't. If you want to save the planet, HD is the last brand you should be considering for 2 wheeled transportation as it clearly burns the most fuel given its displacement.

BTW, there are absolutely no "emmissions laws" in the US that this upgrade violates in the US from a users perspective. The only restriction on this upgrade is made by our nanny-state regulatory agency on the MANUFACTURER offering this kit for road use. You will not find a single US law that prevents its installation by the owner. There are no emissions tests in NJ (my State) or for that matter any other State in the US. In fact, the only state that was considering emmission testing for motorcycles has abandoned the effort http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/713/3625/Motorcycle-Article/California-Motorcycle-Smog-Test-Abandoned.aspx.

  
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Re: SE Pro 110 Performance upgrade
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2010, 05:58:59 PM »

Be aware that in the USA it is not street legal, violates anti-tampering provisions of the emissions laws and regulations, and is not warranted.  You might want to ride that new bike without internal engine mods for a while first, to make sure there are no major problems.  Or maybe not, but I thought I would mention the things the typical dealer won't mention until after the fact.  In Australia, I don't know how the authorities would view the emissions issue, but I'm pretty certain H-D won't warrant internal engine mods in Australia any more than it would here.


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The dealer has advised me that even if HD wont warrant the upgrade, that the dealership would (in writing). I have demanded this. We all know when something goes wrong, nobody wants to pay up or take responsibility.

The Kit ($AUS 1925) arrives in Australia 25th October and the dealer is fitting it on Monday 1st November along with the V & H Power Duals and Hi Output mufflers. Advised this will take about 4 days so I will post the finding once I get her back.

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Re: SE Pro 110 Performance upgrade
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2010, 04:53:36 AM »

@Heatwave:

there are 3 respects to which altering motor specs may be of concern.

Besides emission/noise control and warranty in some countries those changes may void your insurance (Germany for instance). I don't know if this is the case in Australia off course. But in my country in case of an accident our bikes will most certainly get very closely examined by specialised accident investigators. They love saving insurance money for such reasons ...

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Re: SE Pro 110 Performance upgrade
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2010, 09:58:18 AM »

@Heatwave:

there are 3 respects to which altering motor specs may be of concern.

Besides emission/noise control and warranty in some countries those changes may void your insurance (Germany for instance). I don't know if this is the case in Australia off course. But in my country in case of an accident our bikes will most certainly get very closely examined by specialised accident investigators. They love saving insurance money for such reasons ...
This kit should have no measureable impact on noise or emissions as the kit does not require an exhaust change. Beyond that I'm not sure how any insurance agency anywhere in the world could ever determine if this kit had been installed since it is entirely inside the engine.

Riders outside the US have been far too intimidated by their governmental agencies.


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