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SE 110 Upgrade - T Man
« on: December 20, 2011, 10:28:12 PM »

I was originally thinking of doing the SE 110 Pro Upgrade kit, but I'm thinking of switching gears a bit as that upgrade seems to move the torque curve too far to the right.  The performance tech at my dealer , Buckmins HD in Xenia Oh, has suggested a different route.  Having T-Man do some of the work.  From what I've read here, it seems they do good work.  

Here's their advert for the kit I'm looking at.  

Stage 2 110" CVO Kit (on OEM cylinders)
Kit includes:
Stage 2 Street Eliminator Pro-Touring Heads for CVO SE110
Custom forged pistons made for T-Man Performance by Wisco
Head Gaskets and Base O-Rings
Cylinder Boring and Honing, matched to pistons (Customer supplied cylinders).
Your choice of cam
SE CVO110 heads with matching pistons made exclusively for T-Man Performance by Wisco. This is the perfect performance upgrade for the CVO SE110 engine. Includes the Head Gaskets, Base O-Rings and cylinder boring/honing.
Step up to a mark increase in performance with T-Man's Pro-Touring ported heads. Increased valve sizes with TR's new Bee-Hive*, high lift springs and the legendary TR porting make this a proven Pro-Touring head.
Before any valve work is performed, the heads are prepared with new over-size intake valve seat to ensure proper stability for larger valve installation. This head features 1.940" Intake with 1.615" Exhaust; precision 5 angle cut on Intake valve and Multi-angle Exhaust cut that provides optimal flow made to TR's specs. Precision ported CNC Intake and Exhaust port with hand finished for maximum performance. Fully CNC chamber with hand finishing sized for your particular application. Valve geometry is corrected to insure longevity and quietness of valve train. This is truly a high performance upgrade.

This head provides proven performance upgrade for any build, as well as the perfect compliment to heavy touring bikes!

This head features a 1.710" inlet for maximum performance when using stock and aftermarket TB.

*TR's New Bee-Hive springs eliminate the need to relieve the bottom rocker boxes. This head accommodates cam lifts to .650"


The pistons would be 10.5-1 and the cam being considered is the T-Man 625.  
Also looking at having them do the complete bottom end service (trued, balanced, welded, H-rods, timekin bearings).
V&H Power Dual headers and V&H 4" Monster Round mufflers.
SE Pro tuner.
Woods lifters, new rods, and a heavier clutch spring.
Staying with the stock high flow SE breather.
Last but not least, would be a good Dyno.

If anyone has feedback or opinions I would welcome them.  I am looking for touring power with a touch of scorch in the low range.  I'm told I can expect numbers near 120 & 120 with the torque curve staying pretty consistent from around 2000RPM to 6000RPM.

Again.....  Feedback would be welcomed!
 
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Re: SE 110 Upgrade - T Man
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2011, 10:51:06 PM »

It all sounds fine but in the end wouldn't a swap to a 120r make more power and cost less?
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Re: SE 110 Upgrade - T Man
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2011, 11:15:27 PM »

Cost wise...  The 120R is list priced at $5800 +-.  This entire project is just a few hundred more and includes new exhaust, tuner, complete bottom end worked over, labor, and dyno.
Here's a dyno with a similar setup.  This example has stock headers.

Max Power = 120.57, Max Torque = 119.16
CI = 110", Heads = T-Man CVO, Cam = TR-625, Pistons = SE Forged set to 10.6:1, TB = SE 58mm, Injectors = SE, Exhaust = Stock headers with Supertrapp Slip-ons, 2010 FLHXSE
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TR-660-SM Cam
TTS Master Tuner
SE 10.5:1 forged pistons
4-5/8" stroke Se Pro Stroker Flywheel and rod Assembly, trued and welded by Revolution Performance
Cylinders 4.060 Bore
Timekin Bearing
SE 58mm TB
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V&H Power Dual headers with V&H Twin Slash Oval slipons.
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Re: SE 110 Upgrade - T Man
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2011, 01:30:35 AM »

I have used the 625 cam in several builds. It is a great cam with a very broad torque band. You cannot go wrong with tman performance work either.

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Re: SE 110 Upgrade - T Man
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2011, 11:50:15 AM »

Smitty,

I did the T-Man stage II kit to my 2011 Street Glide. Very happy with the outcome.
I used a Jims crank & rods and SE roller rockers.
She breaks the 100 ft lb mark at 2000 rpm and pulls hard to 6000.

Go for it, you'll be grinning ear to ear.

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Re: SE 110 Upgrade - T Man
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2011, 11:55:32 AM »

I had the .625 in my 124 and 117 motors.  Fantastic mid-range cam that I would definitely recommend!  Wish that I had it in my 2012...
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Re: SE 110 Upgrade - T Man
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2011, 12:51:31 PM »

Been using TManns stuff in both my motor builds, in my 03 95in and in the 2010 117" been real happy with his products.
on my 95in, 3000rpm i am  at 95ft/lbs it breaks 100ft/lbs at 4200rpms it stays above 95ft/lbs from 3k to 6k rpms, peak Hp at 6k 106hp Compression just under 10.20
on my 117in, 3000rpms i am at 120ft/lbs, 3750rpms 130ft/lbs , it stays above 120ft/lbs from 3k to 5k rpms, peak Hp117 at 5500rpms Compression at 9.8
both motors were built for touring, with Torque, reliability, and fuel economy as i mostly enjoy distance riding.  on both motors AFR is set at 13-1, both bikes have TManns stage 2heads,625 cams,  D&D Exhaust, zipper's air filters, the 117in has Tmanns bottom end work done to it, welded, balance, true'd, with H rod beams.
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Re: SE 110 Upgrade - T Man
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2011, 04:41:13 PM »

Been using TManns stuff in both my motor builds, in my 03 95in and in the 2010 117" been real happy with his products.
on my 95in, 3000rpm i am  at 95ft/lbs it breaks 100ft/lbs at 4200rpms it stays above 95ft/lbs from 3k to 6k rpms, peak Hp at 6k 106hp Compression just under 10.20
on my 117in, 3000rpms i am at 120ft/lbs, 3750rpms 130ft/lbs , it stays above 120ft/lbs from 3k to 5k rpms, peak Hp117 at 5500rpms Compression at 9.8
both motors were built for touring, with Torque, reliability, and fuel economy as i mostly enjoy distance riding.  on both motors AFR is set at 13-1, both bikes have TManns stage 2heads,625 cams,  D&D Exhaust, zipper's air filters, the 117in has Tmanns bottom end work done to it, welded, balance, true'd, with H rod beams.

That sounds like just the ticket.... 
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Cylinders 4.060 Bore
Timekin Bearing
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Re: SE 110 Upgrade - T Man
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2011, 05:44:05 PM »

Since you asked for feedback here is mine.

Please note above he states 95" and 117" not 110.  If you go to many of the sites like HTT etc you wont find many bell ringing 110's.  The 110 its an oddball motor based on crank/bore.  Many on this site have abandoned the 110 and gone to 117, 120, 131's or just put a cam in and exhaust and accepted the 115 -120 tq and 104-110 hp.   The 110 is just not the platform I would recommend going with too many other good choices, been there done it.    IMO 117 or a HD 120 would be better than spending all that money on a 110.   If you go with the Tman build you will have the cases torn apart for the crank, great time to do a 117 or buy a 120 while you say cost, the 120's have been found pretty easily at 20 precent off with little to no effort. 

Good luck look forward to seeing what you decide and how you make out with your bike.
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Re: SE 110 Upgrade - T Man
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2011, 07:43:09 PM »

Since you asked for feedback here is mine.

Please note above he states 95" and 117" not 110.  If you go to many of the sites like HTT etc you wont find many bell ringing 110's.  The 110 its an oddball motor based on crank/bore.  Many on this site have abandoned the 110 and gone to 117, 120, 131's or just put a cam in and exhaust and accepted the 115 -120 tq and 104-110 hp.   The 110 is just not the platform I would recommend going with too many other good choices, been there done it.    IMO 117 or a HD 120 would be better than spending all that money on a 110.   If you go with the Tman build you will have the cases torn apart for the crank, great time to do a 117 or buy a 120 while you say cost, the 120's have been found pretty easily at 20 precent off with little to no effort. 

Good luck look forward to seeing what you decide and how you make out with your bike.

Thanks for the input!  I appreciate a different perspective.
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TR-660-SM Cam
TTS Master Tuner
SE 10.5:1 forged pistons
4-5/8" stroke Se Pro Stroker Flywheel and rod Assembly, trued and welded by Revolution Performance
Cylinders 4.060 Bore
Timekin Bearing
SE 58mm TB
SE 5.3 grms/sec injectors
SE lifters,
SE rods
SE Clutch upgrade
V&H Power Dual headers with V&H Twin Slash Oval slipons.
Andrews 31T transmission sprocket
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Re: SE 110 Upgrade - T Man
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2012, 09:46:21 AM »

Smitty,

I have done pretty much what you are thinking with just a few differences.  I used the T 662-2, 660 lift cams and was able to bump the hp to almost 130.  I love the way it runs.  I think you would be very happy with that set up.  I have been and with 20,000 miles on the build, it has given me no problems.
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Re: SE 110 Upgrade - T Man
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2012, 10:38:04 AM »

Smitty,

I did the T-Man stage II kit to my 2011 Street Glide. Very happy with the outcome.
I used a Jims crank & rods and SE roller rockers.
She breaks the 100 ft lb mark at 2000 rpm and pulls hard to 6000.

Go for it, you'll be grinning ear to ear.

Sammy

Could do a complete list please?
Sounds interesting and great number for typical touring 2 up, or at least in my case.
My local HD Performance orientated Shop likes T-Man

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Re: SE 110 Upgrade - T Man
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2012, 12:44:24 PM »

Smitty,

I have done pretty much what you are thinking with just a few differences.  I used the T 662-2, 660 lift cams and was able to bump the hp to almost 130.  I love the way it runs.  I think you would be very happy with that set up.  I have been and with 20,000 miles on the build, it has given me no problems.

Proctor,
Those are some sweet numbers your scooter is turning.  Seeing as how you've got 11.1-1 compression have you had any issues with fuel?  
Do you have the Dyno sheet available to post?  I'm interested in seeing how the torque and hp curves run out.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2012, 02:31:53 PM by Smitty2u »
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TR Stage 2 Street Eliminator Pro-Touring Heads
TR-660-SM Cam
TTS Master Tuner
SE 10.5:1 forged pistons
4-5/8" stroke Se Pro Stroker Flywheel and rod Assembly, trued and welded by Revolution Performance
Cylinders 4.060 Bore
Timekin Bearing
SE 58mm TB
SE 5.3 grms/sec injectors
SE lifters,
SE rods
SE Clutch upgrade
V&H Power Dual headers with V&H Twin Slash Oval slipons.
Andrews 31T transmission sprocket
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Re: SE 110 Upgrade - T Man
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2012, 02:21:57 PM »

I do have to add octaine boost.  But it's worth it.

This is not a real low end motor, but from 3500 to 6500 it screams.
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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2012, 02:33:30 PM »

The dyno shows 10.8 : 1, but the builder said it is actually 11:1. 
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