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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2013, 10:27:57 AM »

Well it was bound to happen, and since this was my original post, I guess it’s time for me to jump back in.  The following thoughts are MY OPINIONS ONLY, I am NOT attempting to summarize or paraphrase any group of thoughts previously expressed on this topic.

MY understanding is that the CVO CONCEPT was to produce a limited issue group of motorcycles that were unique by the options and paint installed on a specialized assembly line at HD.  The CVO Concept was NOT intended to make the OWNER’S “ELITE”, that has become a negative association attached by (some) NON-CVO owners; I consider it nothing more than envy. 

I posted this question to define and answer "what is a CVO?", and I described a guy who has a bike that IS a CVO but it isn’t, and davidw221 has a CVO that ISN’T, but (he states that, for all practical purposes) IT IS.  The respondents to this thread have been clear, a CVO is determined by the MoCo at birth and certified by the VIN, PERIOD, like it or not.

In MY opinion HD has diluted the entire concept.  The specialized production line no longer exists.  The CVO product line is shrinking and there is a push (by HD) to establish consumer perceptions that ALL products in the entire lineup CAN BE Custom Vehicles. The CVO LINEUP is fading and in as little as five years may be completely gone.  But the CONCEPT will remain and survive as: “Special”, “Limited”, “Custom”, “Dark Custom”,“Heritage”, “Deluxe”, “Ultra”, “Ultra Limited”, and (try this) The Deluxe, Ultra Limited, Dark Custom, Heritage Softail, Special.  This is called MARKETING.

MY experience has been that this forum does not look down it’s nose on ANYBODY.  Everyone is respected, all questions are answered, and all bikes and their owners are considered welcome here.  However, we are primarily Harley Owners, AND we are primarily CVO owner’s as well.  It is clear (to me) that the CVO concept is “Pride of Ownership” and that is true of ALL Harley owners.  That said, there is plenty of room in the motorcycle world and the Harley Davidson community, for a unique group of products that have been modified by the MoCo to a standard different than “stock”, and those that admire, enjoy, appreciate and ride these powerful, beautiful, machines have a common interest, and share that interest in this worthwhile forum. 

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Well put, Owl. I agree that the CVO concept is being diluted a bit, as bikes such as the '14 Ultra Limited and SG Special are coming stock with more and more goodies that formerly were available only on CVOs.

The CVOs having been built by a separate group in the past, but now being built on the main line, might be good or bad. I guess one would need to have access to CVO vs. non-CVO warranty claims and repair records to know for sure whether moving CVO production to the main line was a good idea or not. However, if people bought CVOs in the past just for the snob appeal of their bike having been built by a small, separate group - then I think that's a bit sad. I don't care one whit how my bike was built, nor by who, along as it's built WELL.

I do think that the CVO paint is the biggest thing, besides the 110 and the wheels, that really sets CVOs apart. Strictly from a resale value perspective, the CVO paint has been a sought-after item that I think has kept resale values higher for CVOs... but that might not be as true as it used to be. And I have seen many fabulous, TRULY custom paint jobs on non-CVO bikes.

I also think that that 110 engine is not as "cool" as it used to be... given that all non-CVO bikes now come with the 103 instead of the 96. Now, there is only 7" difference in CI, instead of the 14" difference there used to be.

Also, the CVOs used to come with the Rumble Collection stuff, but starting in '13 CVOs come with the not-as-fancy Slipstream Collection stuff. In my opinion, the Rumble stuff really set CVOs apart... but that distinction is now gone. I am really glad I bought my '12 SESG before that change!

One thing that I have a great deal of difficulty seeing the value of for 2014 is the huge difference in cost between CVOs and non-CVOs... in particular the loaded '14 Limited vs. the bare-bones '14 SERK, or the '14 CVO Limited vs. the '14 Ultra Limited... which has a ton of equipment for $12K less.

I do agree wholeheartedly with your last paragraph about this forum, though! Whenever I'm out and see a CVO, I usually will walk up, introduce myself, and ask if they are on CVOHarley. I am amazed at how many CVO owners have not heard of it.  :nixweiss: Of course, I always recommend they they join in on all the fun and camaraderie we have here!

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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2013, 11:26:04 AM »

38892 people view/read news about 2014 models...

I had a Fatboy CVO...was the most beautiful bike, color wise. Bought it used. previous owner had installed more and more chrome accessories. Bike was admire by anyone that liked bikes or not..just because of the colors combo...
but...

the riding...

the seat killed me.

I changed 3 seats looking for comfort...never reached a comfortable riding position. Couldn't ride the bike more than 30 mins. Many of my friends rode the bike and had no problems. So, it was me. I sold the bike. All in all, I lost $800 after 3 years of ownership...not a bad deal. Now, I am waiting for a CVO BO.

I have spent lots of times and research investigating how to convert a non-cvo into a cvo...well, I gave up. It is too expensive to get the right colors or buy the tins from H-D...then the 110 and rims etc etc...
While I am waiting for my CVO BO, I decided to bring my SG as close as possible to the beauty of a CVO SG...had looked to buy a used CVO SG but they cost more than a new one...so, I am spending some $$ in stuff that will make me happy with my SG...and when I get ready to trade in ...let's see how much it will set me back...
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2013, 07:05:46 AM »

Here us a couple of pics of my wannabe CVO


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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2013, 07:35:48 AM »

Here is another pic
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2013, 08:43:19 AM »

Here's my mod, before
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2013, 08:43:56 AM »

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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2013, 08:47:14 AM »

And to further confuse the topic..........when is a CVO not a Screamin' Eagle?  :nixweiss: spyder
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2013, 08:56:06 AM »

And to further confuse the topic..........when is a CVO not a Screamin' Eagle?  :nixweiss: spyder

The SE designation on top of the CVO models started with the 2000 Road Glides.  So the CVOs that aren't also called SE were the FXRs.  Neither of the FXR models in 1999 nor the FXR4 in 2000 had "Screamin' Eagle" in their advertised names nor SE in their nomenclature.
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2013, 09:00:11 AM »

The SE designation on top of the CVO models started with the 2000 Road Glides.  So the CVOs that aren't also called SE were the FXRs.  Neither of the FXR models in 1999 nor the FXR4 in 2000 had "Screamin' Eagle" in their advertised names nor SE in their nomenclature.

Doesn't this list include the FXDWG2/3/4?
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2013, 09:01:11 AM »

And to further confuse the topic..........when is a CVO not a Screamin' Eagle?  :nixweiss: spyder

Well my understanding is that the model, or more accurately the division in which they are built (or used to be built) is the Custom Vehicle Operations, or CVO. Screamin' Eagle is one of the themes of the CVO that started with the first Gen Road Glides. This, coupled with the fact that the performance upgrades were Screamin' Eagle parts, led to the general acceptance that all CVOs were Screamin' Eagle bikes. This was told to me by someone (I forget who) at the LA Bike show when I commented on the Skulls theme on the Skunks.

But I could be wrong.
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2013, 12:36:00 PM »

Agree w/twolane. The bike designation would have the SE included. FXDWG2’s & 3's, FXR's were not Screamin' Eagles. I believe all bikes with the SE designation were SE's on the basis of the motor work, either 103‘s or 110‘s.

My WG2 had the SE 95 upgrade performed early in it's life by the original owner but that still doesn't get it the SE designation. The heads say Screamin' Eagle, but the title does not.

I don't believe there are any HD's with the SE designation on the name that are not CVO's. Anyone want to dispute that?
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2013, 12:39:23 PM »

Agree w/twolane. The bike designation would have the SE included. FXDWG2’s & 3's, FXR's were not Screamin' Eagles. I believe all bikes with the SE designation were SE's on the basis of the motor work, either 103‘s or 110‘s.

My WG2 had the SE 95 upgrade performed early in it's life by the original owner but that still doesn't get it the SE designation. The heads say Screamin' Eagle, but the title does not.
103's weren't available until 2003... the prior year SE's (2000 - 2002) had 95 ci motors.

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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #42 on: September 10, 2013, 12:43:27 PM »

103's weren't available until 2003... the prior year SE's (2000 - 2002) had 95 ci motors.

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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #43 on: September 10, 2013, 01:12:48 PM »

Wasn't the 103 RoadKing the only Screamin' Eagle/CVO bike in '03?  In one color offering also, now that's limited edition.  ;) spyder
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Re: When is a CVO not a CVO?
« Reply #44 on: September 10, 2013, 01:15:13 PM »

I took the factory tour at York PA back in May of this year.  When the lady was talking about the CVOs being built evidently I was shaking my head in agreement or something.  She asked if I had one and I said yes.  She asked what kind and I replied "2010 Screamin Eagle Street Glide"  She told me that the bikes weren't called that anymore and they were now called CVOs.  Just thought her comment was interesting since the model designation was FLHXSE on my bike but oh well... what do I know.   8)
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