Topic: Pipes?? What's the verdict ? (Read 6547 times)

factoryphil · « **on:** November 15, 2005, 05:48:26 PM »

Just bought my wife an 06 SEFB. This thing is so quiet with the power robbing stock pipes. They have to go ASAP. Like to find out what the consensus is around here for the best power/sounding pipes. I run a black ceramic Thunderheader on my SEEG and think that pipe might be a little loud for the better half. Read a few posts about the Samson/Calibre 2:1 pipes. Looked at them today and seems to be well made. Does anyone run a Screamin Eagle Tunable pipe? ANy feedback would be great.

On another note. After riding my SEEG for 18 months I forgot how nice soft tails ride. The SEFB is an awesome ride.

reo · « **Reply #1 on:** November 16, 2005, 11:01:56 AM »

Best sounding, I may be a bit pregidous but I would say Rineharts. They may be louder than you'd like but they have the deepest sound you will find, especially on a 103.

I have a question tho? Did you check on being able to change the catalist mufflers in your area. My dealer said the 06's all have catalist mufflers, in my area there is talk of testing like on the cars. He said the 05's and earlier would be grandfathered in. I know this has ben metioned before and lobyests have been fighting such talk for a while but you may consider this before changing out the pipes. I hope this is not true for the future but it seems it will hapen eventually.

I was thinking of trading mine in for an 06 with the wide tire till I found out it had catalist mufflers and I was concerned with the skinny belt. I have a deposit on an 05 deluxe with 10 miles for my wife because of my concerns with the catalist.

reo.....

sefatboyscott · « **Reply #2 on:** November 16, 2005, 04:54:50 PM »

I ahve calibers on mine, not the two into one but they have a nice deep throaty hotrod sound that is not overwhelming. Most times when I am out and encounter other bikes they usually will ask what kind of pipes I am running and tell me they sound awesome..

Ok here is the deal from my understanding of the new EPA laws. They take effect in 06. 06 Model year bikes with an assembly date prior to 06 can still be modified and they will also be grandfathered in. The bike will be titled in 2005 so your all set, do what you like!

Here is a pic of the pipes.

factoryphil · « **Reply #3 on:** November 16, 2005, 07:40:05 PM »

I was also told bikes stamped with a 06 manufactor date will need to comply with the EPA emissions. Since my 06 and probably most 06's will be built in the 05 calender year, no issues. As far as pipe selection. I put on a set of V&H Pro Pipes. Liked the look of the 2 to 1. The Sampson Calibre pipes were my second chose. I really like Rinehart's, fit and finish is exceptional, but I had lot's of issues on my SEEG with them. I quess that's why they have so any pipes out there.
Since this is my wives bike I'll probably not get it dynoed. She doesn't care about a few extra ponies and the last thing I want is for her to have a faster bike.

sefatboyscott · « **Reply #4 on:** November 16, 2005, 07:47:54 PM »

Phil if you change the pipes you should have it dynoed anyhowe, your air/fuel ratios are probably way out of whack causing a lean condition which could lead to engine damage.

Mrs Red Hot · « **Reply #5 on:** November 17, 2005, 08:45:51 AM »

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Just bought my wife an 06 SEFB. This thing is so quiet with the power robbing stock pipes. They have to go ASAP. Like to find out what the consensus is around here for the best power/sounding pipes. I run a black ceramic Thunderheader on my SEEG and think that pipe might be a little loud for the better half. Read a few posts about the Samson/Calibre 2:1 pipes. Looked at them today and seems to be well made. Does anyone run a Screamin Eagle Tunable pipe? ANy feedback would be great.

On another note. After riding my SEEG for 18 months I forgot how nice soft tails ride. The SEFB is an awesome ride.

I added the HD SE 16 Gauge Double Barrel Exhaust to my SE Fatboy. Also at the same time added the Race Tuner Kit. These pipes sound great!! Nice Deep rumble and loud (potato-potato-potato), but not so bad that other riders hate to ride behind you. My dealer said that these pipes are made for Harley by the Vance & Hines company. They really do sound great and look great too. Here's a picture attached.

Sandy

sefatboyscott · « **Reply #6 on:** November 17, 2005, 01:13:36 PM »

Sandy,

Weren't you having problems with the air/fuel before you got hooked up with a race tuner? The advantage of using a SE pipe is that there is a downloadable map for these pipes so you don't need to dyno and build a custom map. Unfortunately my pipes needed a custom map. I think it's good to know where she ( the bike) stands and have something visual to show me how my bike runs though looking at the dyno charts.

Mrs Red Hot · « **Reply #7 on:** November 17, 2005, 05:09:22 PM »

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Sandy,

Weren't you having problems with the air/fuel before you got hooked up with a race tuner? The advantage of using a SE pipe is that there is a downloadable map for these pipes so you don't need to dyno and build a custom map. Unfortunately my pipes needed a custom map. I think it's good to know where she ( the bike) stands and have something visual to show me how my bike runs though looking at the dyno charts.

I was having some problems with the pipes popping a lot on decel and them turning really blue where they come right out of the engine and the pipes turning a copper color where they slipped on. But all this was with the first pipes they added, SE II's. My dealer added these when I first purchased the bike and didn't do any type of remap or anything. We latter found out that HD recommends that you always do a remap with an exhaust change. So even though HD wouldn't warranty the pipes turning, my dealer did because of their mistake. So second time around I had them switch to the SE 16 Gauge Double Barrell's and I paid the difference between the two exhaust systems. With these exhaust there's no blueing that shows, they are chrome from the cylinder heads all the way to the tip end. Plus the bike is running and looks better than ever!! [smiley=cherry.gif] Sandy

sefatboyscott · « **Reply #8 on:** November 18, 2005, 05:51:30 PM »

Surprised your dealer did not know that anytime you change intake or exhaust you must remap........odd.

Mrs Red Hot · « **Reply #9 on:** November 19, 2005, 05:54:18 PM »

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Surprised your dealer did not know that anytime you change intake or exhaust you must remap........odd.

Supprised us too!! They are two brothers, the older one swore he had read in an HD's Hog Tales that if it was just a slight change no remap was needed. The SE II's they used were not much different in their opion that what HD had on the bike. When HD wouldn't warranty things and he couldn't find anything in print, except something I showed them in the HD parts book saying that the remap was always needed especially on an FI bike. They decided to warranty things themselves. Kinda had too, since we are one of their biggest customers. 8 new bikes in 10 years!

Sandy

sefatboyscott · « **Reply #10 on:** November 19, 2005, 06:00:34 PM »

Ahh, I miss that feeling of being the best customers in a dealership. We were the best customers at Century Harley in Ohio. We baught three new bikes and one used one from them this year prior to moving to NC. I miss the feeling that we got at the dealer in Ohio, here in NC we might as well be leppers.they don't know our buying patterns yet, In Ohio they would kiss our butts as you never know when we might just buy a new bike.

Mrs Red Hot · « **Reply #11 on:** November 20, 2005, 09:30:12 AM »

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Ahh, I miss that feeling of being the best customers in a dealership. We were the best customers at Century Harley in Ohio. We baught three new bikes and one used one from them this year prior to moving to NC. I miss the feeling that we got at the dealer in Ohio, here in NC we might as well be leppers.they don't know our buying patterns yet, In Ohio they would kiss our butts as you never know when we might just buy a new bike.

That's about how it is here for us. We have know these guys for years, way back when they were just a road side shop. My husband trades about every 2/3 years and I have been trading and moving up as I learned to ride solo. That's one reason for so many bikes. I will more than likely be keeping this bike for quite a while. However my husband may trade in 07 if he likes the colors on the CVO Ultra Classic. Might take some time before something else comes along to make me want to trade. I love the size, handling and the way this bike fits me. Being a lady and only 5'4 1/2" it's hard to get some of these bigger bikes to fit me well. I love my Fatty. [smiley=cherry.gif] Sandy

sefatboyscott · « **Reply #12 on:** November 20, 2005, 10:14:43 AM »

I don't plan on ever selling my fatty either, but those new SE Ultras seem to be calling out to me " Scott, you know you want a cool touring bike, c'mon take me for a ride!" But on the other hand its hard not to consider a Goldwing for touring, 110 hp out of the box, more goodies on it and half the money. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

wiseguy · « **Reply #13 on:** November 20, 2005, 10:22:47 AM »

Hmm...I like a nice growl but nothing to wake the neibors up the next mile road over.I also enjoy having a great looking pipe.I`m down to 2 Rineharts or V&H big radious??

Right now I just have the stock ones.

sefatboyscott · « **Reply #14 on:** November 20, 2005, 11:12:23 AM »

Both are good pipes, I think the rinehearts have a better quality concerning chrome.

wiseguy · « **Reply #15 on:** November 20, 2005, 11:40:03 AM »

How about sound??They sound the same?I was told that the v&h big radious sound a little torqeier?If thats a word?

sefatboyscott · « **Reply #16 on:** November 20, 2005, 11:46:15 AM »

The V&H are a bit deeper IMHO. I like my Caliber pipes personally because they are loud as any other when you rip on the throttle but when you cruise it just sounds like a lion purrrrrrrrring. The chrome job is less than perfect though. My girl has Bassani Street Pro shorts on her 103 and its just LOUD all the time.

tunedse2 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 21, 2005, 03:38:22 PM »

Phil, I put V&H Big Radius on my 06' and love them. I will put
a picture on tomorrow...

AUSSIE_FLSTFSE · « **Reply #18 on:** November 21, 2005, 04:38:25 PM »

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I added the HD SE 16 Gauge Double Barrel Exhaust to my SE Fatboy. Also at the same time added the Race Tuner Kit. These pipes sound great!! Nice Deep rumble and loud (potato-potato-potato), but not so bad that other riders hate to ride behind you. My dealer said that these pipes are made for Harley by the Vance & Hines company. They really do sound great and look great too. Here's a picture attached. Sandy

I did look at the SE 16 Gage but did prefer the cleaner lines of the Vance & Hines bigshots.I think they sound pretty much the same.
Are you running the SERT? if so what map do you have downloaded?

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AUSSIE_FLSTFSE · « **Reply #19 on:** November 21, 2005, 04:42:23 PM »

AUSSIE_FLSTFSE · « **Reply #20 on:** November 21, 2005, 04:45:03 PM »

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The V&H are a bit deeper IMHO. I like my Caliber pipes personally because they are loud as any other when you rip on the throttle but when you cruise it just sounds like a lion purrrrrrrrring. The chrome job is less than perfect though. My girl has Bassani Street Pro shorts on her 103 and its just LOUD all the time.

Scott,

Nice Dyna, those pipes obviously make power but I don't think I could own a set (sorry mate)

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factoryphil · « **Reply #21 on:** November 21, 2005, 05:42:50 PM »

Thought it was about time that I posted a picture with the V&H ProPipe. Overall I am pleased with the look, also my wife likes the sound much better.

sefatboyscott · « **Reply #22 on:** November 21, 2005, 08:44:34 PM »

Just about ANY pipe sounds better than stock!!! I have had mopeds when I was kid that sounded more like a motorcycle than the stockers on our fatboys!

michburt · « **Reply #23 on:** November 22, 2005, 02:39:05 PM »

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Just bought my wife an 06 SEFB. This thing is so quiet with the power robbing stock pipes. They have to go ASAP. Like to find out what the consensus is around here for the best power/sounding pipes. I run a black ceramic Thunderheader on my SEEG and think that pipe might be a little loud for the better half. Read a few posts about the Samson/Calibre 2:1 pipes. Looked at them today and seems to be well made. Does anyone run a Screamin Eagle Tunable pipe? ANy feedback would be great.

On another note. After riding my SEEG for 18 months I forgot how nice soft tails ride. The SEFB is an awesome ride.

I, like Sandy, went with the Harley 16 guage double barrels. Nice sound and I like the way they look.

Mike

sefatboyscott · « **Reply #24 on:** November 22, 2005, 03:55:19 PM »

Here is my dyno chart, finally got a copy of it. The only mods were the pipes and a race tuner. Calibers made by Sampson.

Fired00d · « **Reply #25 on:** November 22, 2005, 04:33:49 PM »

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Thought it was about time that I posted a picture with the V&H ProPipe. Overall I am pleased with the look, also my wife likes the sound much better.

Phil,
Looks great!!! I had Pro-Pipe on my Fatboy and loved it. Even had the competition baffle installed, and this was on an Evo motor. Talking about getting car alarms chirping.

Can only imagine the sound on a 103 motor.

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Mrs Red Hot · « **Reply #26 on:** November 23, 2005, 08:43:15 AM »

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I did look at the SE 16 Gage but did prefer the cleaner lines of the Vance & Hines bigshots.I think they sound pretty much the same.
Are you running the SERT? if so what map do you have downloaded?

From everything that we looked at I thought these 16 Gauge pipes where pretty clean looking. Very nice chrome job all over and nice trim pipes that open up the rear wheel area a whole bunch, can see much more of the rear wheel. We added the Race Tuner kit, I think it's a Screamin Eagle kit, I personally don't know much about it, but it sure seems to have helped the preformace with it and the new pipes. I do know that it down loads into the bike and should I take these pipes off to run on maybe another FB in the future they can unload it back into a disk or something that I still have and it can be used again on another bike. Something like that anyway. Sandy

Mrs Red Hot · « **Reply #27 on:** November 23, 2005, 08:48:11 AM »

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I did look at the SE 16 Gage but did prefer the cleaner lines of the Vance & Hines bigshots.I think they sound pretty much the same.
Are you running the SERT? if so what map do you have downloaded?

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Looks great Mike, a lot like the 16 gauge. Really make the bike look better to me. [smiley=cherry.gif] Sandy

Mrs Red Hot · « **Reply #28 on:** November 23, 2005, 08:51:30 AM »

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I, like Sandy, went with the Harley 16 guage double barrels. Nice sound and I like the way they look.

Mike

Hi Mike, nice to see you in here again. Glad you like the 16 Gauge pipes. Now when are we gonna see a pic of the newer Fatty? Still waiting.

Sandy

EAGLE1 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 23, 2005, 08:13:03 PM »

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i prefer the cleaner lines of the Vance & Hines bigshots.I think they sound pretty much the same.
Are you running the SERT? if so what map do you have downloaded?

i second that [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] the big shots look very clean, i am torn between them or the Rinehart staggard pipes. they are even shorter and show more of the swing arm and wheel. its going to take me some time to decide, but since i woke up to an inch of snow this morning i dont see myself having to flip a cion just yet. [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] the bike looks great mate [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] the custom handle bars really give the bike a cool race look.

cheers [smiley=drink.gif]

sefatboyscott · « **Reply #30 on:** November 23, 2005, 08:31:17 PM »

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I did look at the SE 16 Gage but did prefer the cleaner lines of the Vance & Hines bigshots.I think they sound pretty much the same.
Are you running the SERT? if so what map do you have downloaded?

From everything that we looked at I thought these 16 Gauge pipes where pretty clean looking. Very nice chrome job all over and nice trim pipes that open up the rear wheel area a whole bunch, can see much more of the rear wheel. We added the Race Tuner kit, I think it's a Screamin Eagle kit, I personally don't know much about it, but it sure seems to have helped the preformace with it and the new pipes. I do know that it down loads into the bike and should I take these pipes off to run on maybe another FB in the future they can unload it back into a disk or something that I still have and it can be used again on another bike. Something like that anyway. Sandy

Sandy unfortunately the race tuner cannot be used on another bike. The unit marries itself to the first bike it is used on and cannot be used on another bike after that happens. It's a way to seel you another part if you ever change bikes. Just thought you might like to know. As far as going back to stock. It sounds reasonable but when I went to sell my Heritage Softail I wanted to put the stock pipes back on and take my performance pipes off to put on my fatboy. My stealer told me they could NOT go back to stock on the Heritage and I would need to buy new pipes for the Heritage. I put faith in their word on this since THEY payed for the new pipes on the fatboy since part of the deal when I baught it was they would swap the old pipes off the Heritage. I don't think they would have baught me 800 dollar pipes if they could have avoided it. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

EAGLE1 · « **Reply #31 on:** November 24, 2005, 12:31:35 PM »

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Best sounding, I may be a bit pregidous but I would say Rineharts. They may be louder than you'd like but they have the deepest sound you will find, especially on a 103.
reo.....

reo, i really like the looks of the Rineharts, right now its my first choice for pipes, with the V & H bigshots in close second. i was wondering what setup are you running, Are you running the SERT? if so what map are you utilizing? and did you get it dynoed? i am wondering how much performance you gained with the Rineharts.
thanks for any help

cheers [smiley=drink.gif]

tunedse2 · « **Reply #32 on:** November 25, 2005, 08:15:47 AM »

Phil, I apologise on the pic's. Crazy time of year. They will be here monday Guaranteed.

reo · « **Reply #33 on:** November 25, 2005, 08:42:54 AM »

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reo, i really like the looks of the Rineharts, right now its my first choice for pipes, with the V & H bigshots in close second. i was wondering what setup are you running, Are you running the SERT? if so what map are you utilizing? and did you get it dynoed? i am wondering how much performance you gained with the Rineharts.
thanks for any help

cheers [smiley=drink.gif]

I'm using the race tuner, and I had it dynoed to get the mapping needed, havent seen any maps for the rineharts with the 103 yet available on hdmaps.com. Big difference in all around drivability and upshifting performance since having it set up. I never used the bike with the stock pipes, the dyno with the stock map and rineharts was 83 hp after the new map they got 93 then worked on the af and the final hp was 92. It was very hot and humid that day, making for a poor air density so I'm sure this horsepower would come in much higher on a cool dry day I would guess 98 hp......reo

Mrs Red Hot · « **Reply #34 on:** November 25, 2005, 09:14:51 AM »

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Sandy unfortunately the race tuner cannot be used on another bike. The unit marries itself to the first bike it is used on and cannot be used on another bike after that happens. It's a way to seel you another part if you ever change bikes. Just thought you might like to know. As far as going back to stock. It sounds reasonable but when I went to sell my Heritage Softail I wanted to put the stock pipes back on and take my performance pipes off to put on my fatboy. My stealer told me they could NOT go back to stock on the Heritage and I would need to buy new pipes for the Heritage. I put faith in their word on this since THEY payed for the new pipes on the fatboy since part of the deal when I baught it was they would swap the old pipes off the Heritage. I don't think they would have baught me 800 dollar pipes if they could have avoided it. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

Something sounds fishy with all that to me. We were told by our dealer that we could download and reuse the race tuner. A friend of ours said he has done this with a bike he just traded in a few months ago and the one he has now. Also my husband's last bike was a SE Road King which he had added Reinhart Exhaust too, don't remember if he had added the race turner or power commander kit to it or not. But he did have our dealer take the Reinharts off that bike and is now running them on the SE EGlide that he purchased when I got my SE Fatboy. Something just don't sound right on what you have been told. Sandy

Fired00d · « **Reply #35 on:** November 25, 2005, 09:24:03 AM »

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Something sounds fishy with all that to me. We were told by our dealer that we could download and reuse the race tuner. A friend of ours said he has done this with a bike he just traded in a few months ago and the one he has now. Also my husband's last bike was a SE Road King which he had added Reinhart Exhaust too, don't remember if he had added the race turner or power commander kit to it or not. But he did have our dealer take the Reinharts off that bike and is now running them on the SE EGlide that he purchased when I got my SE Fatboy. Something just don't sound right on what you have been told. Sandy

I too was told this. Once you install the SERT on one bike, and "marry" the cable to that bike, you cannot use that cable on any other bike except the original. I was told to make sure I don't loose this cable because if I did then I would have to buy the entire SERT again. Once you hook the cable up to your bike (first time use) it does something internally to either cable or RT so that it will know if you try to use it on another bike.

Now you can if you change/modify something on your bike go back and re-tune it. If you decide to change pipes, cams, or upgrade/change any other motor configurations you are able to adjust maps. So you are able to do new downloads, and re-use it, but only on the original bike it was installed in.

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reo · « **Reply #36 on:** November 25, 2005, 11:10:15 AM »

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Something sounds fishy with all that to me. We were told by our dealer that we could download and reuse the race tuner. A friend of ours said he has done this with a bike he just traded in a few months ago and the one he has now. Also my husband's last bike was a SE Road King which he had added Reinhart Exhaust too, don't remember if he had added the race turner or power commander kit to it or not. But he did have our dealer take the Reinharts off that bike and is now running them on the SE EGlide that he purchased when I got my SE Fatboy. Something just don't sound right on what you have been told. Sandy

To try and explain the two different re-mapping options, making it crystal clear, the power commander goes in series after the ecm before the engine making the correct adjustments to the fuel injectors to get the correct air fuel ratio. The ecm/engine don’t even know its there.

The race tuner is simply a communication device to the ecm to change the mapping inside the Delphi ecm. Once the mapping has been changed you take it off the bike because it is not needed. The module is the important thing the cables are not unique, I will bring my module wrapping it in bubble wrap inside a zip lock, in case I need to have the computer worked on during a long trip. The cables are universal but the module once initiated to the ecm is then locked and can only be used on the vin it initiated with. If anyone tells you anything different they either don’t know this or are lying….reo

Fired00d · « **Reply #37 on:** November 25, 2005, 11:21:16 AM »

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.......The [highlight]module[/highlight] is the important thing the cables are not unique, I will bring my module wrapping it in bubble wrap inside a zip lock, in case I need to have the computer worked on during a long trip.….reo

Reo,
Are you able to post a picture of the module? I knew there was something specific about not being able to use RT on only one bike. The statement you made about bringing module with you on a trip makes sense and may be something I want to put in my "emergency kit" for traveling. Thanks for the info.

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EAGLE1 · « **Reply #38 on:** November 25, 2005, 11:43:05 AM »

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I'm using the race tuner, and I had it dynoed to get the mapping needed, havent seen any maps for the rineharts with the 103 yet available on hdmaps.com. Big difference in all around drivability and upshifting performance since having it set up. I never used the bike with the stock pipes, the dyno with the stock map and rineharts was 83 hp after the new map they got 93 then worked on the af and the final hp was 92. It was very hot and humid that day, making for a poor air density so I'm sure this horsepower would come in much higher on a cool dry day I would guess 98 hp......reo

reo, thanks again [smiley=drink.gif] i am sure glad there is guys like you out there, because as i said in some other posts, this is my first injected bike and i didnt have a clue [smiley=nixweiss.gif] on what to do before reading all the info provided here. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

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reo · « **Reply #39 on:** November 25, 2005, 11:59:48 AM »

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Reo,
Are you able to post a picture of the module? I knew there was something specific about not being able to use RT on only one bike. The statement you made about bringing module with you on a trip makes sense and may be something I want to put in my "emergency kit" for traveling. Thanks for the info.

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Here's a pic of the module (bottom right), the software, bubble wrap/rubberbands, and the cables. One cable is a standard 9pin rs232 serial and the other is a proprietary cable but any Harley dealer that would be working on your software would have this cable as it comes with the kit. Hope this helps.

Fired00d · « **Reply #40 on:** November 25, 2005, 07:05:46 PM »

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Here's a pic of the module (bottom right), the software, bubble wrap/rubberbands, and the cables. One cable is a standard 9pin rs232 serial and the other is a proprietary cable but any Harley dealer that would be working on your software would have this cable as it comes with the kit. Hope this helps.

Reo,
Thanks!!! After asking about this I went and looked in box for my SERT kit, and figured what you described would be the module. All you are taking is the module with you on trips; the black and grey cables should be at dealership and can be used on different bikes? Thanks for the clarification, and suggestion of "emergency" equipment. I haven't heard of an ECM dumping a map, but like anything electronic it can happen, better to be safe and have module and not need it, then need it and not have it. Thanks again.

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tunedse2 · « **Reply #41 on:** November 28, 2005, 02:54:24 PM »

V&H Big Radius-

wiseguy · « **Reply #42 on:** November 28, 2005, 07:32:49 PM »

Wow!! Pucken EH MAN!! Those are sexy as hell.Bet they sound nice on your 103

Looks good tune! keepem comming!! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

EAGLE1 · « **Reply #43 on:** November 28, 2005, 08:56:00 PM »

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V&H Big Radius-

jim
real nice [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]

just wondering did ya just bolt em up, or did you remap? does V&H have a map for the 103?

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tunedse2 · « **Reply #44 on:** November 29, 2005, 08:03:45 AM »

here's another.

Eagle, I had them installed before I picked it up- They installed a Map with it
which had it popping lean miserably. 750 miles later the race tuner gets loaded,
they get it on the Dyno and Tune it. It did bolt right up though- I think they charged
me 1.2 hours- which I thought was reasonable.

sefatboyscott · « **Reply #45 on:** November 29, 2005, 09:50:11 PM »

They only charged you a little over an hour for a dyno tune? SWEET!

tunedse2 · « **Reply #46 on:** November 30, 2005, 08:15:59 AM »

No, they charged me 1.2 for pipe installation. 2.5 on top of that for the tune.

sefatboyscott · « **Reply #47 on:** November 30, 2005, 07:50:36 PM »

Actually they overcharged you for the install then. I changed my pipes myself it took a half hour tops........4 bolts each pipe! But you got a great deal on the tune so it balances out. Took them 4.5 hours to custom map my bike on the dyno.

TankerPig · « **Reply #48 on:** February 23, 2006, 08:37:05 PM »

I just had a set of V&H Big Shots Staggered installed on my bike and am experiencing that popping sound upon deceleration also. From what I understand from everyone, this is largely due to the AF mixture and can be cured with a new computer map and a dyno tune. My dealer told me they "remapped" the engine after installing the pipes, but after speaking to a chopper shop owner near me, he explained that H-D simply sets up the computer to be remapped as opposed to actually remapping the engine for the new pipes. Has anyone else heard of this before? Or am I being fed incorrect info?

tunedse2 · « **Reply #49 on:** February 24, 2006, 10:15:03 AM »

Tanker my Bike is in the shop for that problem right now. I have talked to several different tuners
and everyone has an opinion. Some say exhaust leak some say tune, Stay tuned I had a thread entitled popping Big Radius that I will post the results to in the next 3-4 days. I was real close to paying for another tune and got so pissed at the thought that I called the owner of the dealership to inform him of my disgust and he asked me to give him one last chance and guaranteed me he would have it corrected. I will post the fix with Dyno sheets ASAP.....

TankerPig · « **Reply #50 on:** February 25, 2006, 05:13:38 PM »

Just spoke to the head mechanic at the local H-D and asked about the popping sound during decel and down-shift. He told me that the popping sound is normal with aftermarket pipes, particularly V&H, and I shouldn't be concerned about it. The only time I should be concerned about that sound is if it happens during acceleration. I asked him about possible engine damage in the long run and he said there would be none. He told me I could lessen the popping with a dyno tune, but the cost isn't worth the effort. Still concerns me, regardless.

grc · « **Reply #51 on:** February 25, 2006, 08:52:09 PM »

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I just had a set of V&H Big Shots Staggered installed on my bike and am experiencing that popping sound upon deceleration also. From what I understand from everyone, this is largely due to the AF mixture and can be cured with a new computer map and a dyno tune. My dealer told me they "remapped" the engine after installing the pipes, but after speaking to a chopper shop owner near me, he explained that H-D simply sets up the computer to be remapped as opposed to actually remapping the engine for the new pipes. Has anyone else heard of this before? Or am I being fed incorrect info?

Tanker,

Do you have a SERT or PowerCommander? If not, what the dealer did was download the Stage (?) calibration to your ECM. The "Stage" calibrations are for Screamin' Eagle pipes, and will not be optimized for your V&H pipes. If you have a SERT or PC, then a good tuner should be able to remove fuel on decel to reduce or eliminate the popping.

BTW - I had a set of the staggered pipes on my previous bike (Super Glide Sport), and absolutely loved them. Excellent appearance, sound, and performance with the Power Chamber crossover. The bike was carbureted, so on decel from high rpm's it did pop some, but not on normal low speed decel or on shifts. If you removed the baffles, try putting them back in. That will also make a difference.

Jerry

TankerPig · « **Reply #52 on:** February 26, 2006, 12:15:27 AM »

Wow. The sheer amount of information one can get from this forum is staggering. I've tracked several threads regarding the same topic. Seems like the trick is to get either the SERT or the PC and finding a tuner who will do the job right. Does anyone know for sure if the Harley warranty will necessitate me using a SERT? Or can I go with a PC, which seems much more flexible in terms of downloads and tuning (with regards to John Golden "the dyno guy" prefering to work with PC only). Any recommendations will me appreciated (I'm learning something new everyday

). I'm quickly losing faith in my local H-D service department. I'm getting much more useful information from everyone here. I would have thought this would be information the service mechanics would have talked to me about when they were installing the pipes and the generic download.

hd-dude · « **Reply #53 on:** February 26, 2006, 12:40:22 AM »

Tanker;
The use of the PC will NOT void your warranty in any way. Use it and enjoy, Especially if that is what your tuner is familiar with and uses [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

RJ749 · « **Reply #54 on:** February 26, 2006, 12:42:20 AM »

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Just spoke to the head mechanic at the local H-D and asked about the popping sound during decel and down-shift. He told me that the popping sound is normal with aftermarket pipes, particularly V&H, and I shouldn't be concerned about it. The only time I should be concerned about that sound is if it happens during acceleration. I asked him about possible engine damage in the long run and he said there would be none. He told me I could lessen the popping with a dyno tune, but the cost isn't worth the effort. Still concerns me, regardless.

In another post the popping is explained as cold air rushing into the exhaust on decel and is normal. I get the same thing on my truck with mod exhaust.

grc · « **Reply #55 on:** February 26, 2006, 10:32:27 AM »

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In another post the popping is explained as cold air rushing into the exhaust on decel and is normal. I get the same thing on my truck with mod exhaust.

Rjob,

The real reason you get popping on decel is that when the throttle plate is closed, you get insufficient air to burn the fuel in the combustion chambers. Thus you get unburned fuel in the (hot) exhaust system. Since you cannot eliminate the air in the exhaust system, the best way to eliminate the popping is to eliminate the unburned fuel. Unlike with carbs, EFI makes this a relatively easy solution. The stock ECM is set up to reduce fuel on decel with the stock pipes, and you can feel the affect if you run the bike up to around 4k+ rpm in second gear and then chop the throttle. You can hear the exhaust note change as you coast down, and it feels as if you are dragging the brakes. Once the engine speed drops to a certain point, you will notice that the sound and feel returns to normal. When you change pipes, the stock ECM strategy has to be changed to work with the new flow characteristics.

Jerry

RJ749 · « **Reply #56 on:** February 26, 2006, 10:41:57 AM »

Thanks Jerry.

I think the explanation of the air getting in there must come from the logic of it takes Oxygen to burn the unspent fuel but I'll go with your explanation as to the actual reason we get the pop.

No fuel, no pop, regardless of whatever else is going on.

Off to rid myself of excess gas, I always hate it when I have it.

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