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[vmax-94]

My 2007 FLHX had same issues, dealer changed out check valve assembly and all is good. Wausau Harley keeps them in stock they say its a commom problem along with the fuel line rubbing through in the fuel tank. JMO

[Zinister]

I'm having this issue on my 09 Springer. Mine shuts off when I come to a stop. Definitely not a heat issue as it just happened on a short ride and it's only low 50's outside.

Did you find out what your problem was? Mine seems to be running rich also. Taking it in tomorrow. Mine might be the tune.

[rbaker]

"The 110B motor on your Springer is not equipped with the rear cylinder cut off as it is on the A model that come on the bagger models.

My response:
The "Parade Mode" rear cylinder cutoff was active on my 110B engine when I bought it new in 2007.
The dealer said it would be $300. to remove that feature.......I went right to my salesman and told him that
I had seen a bulletin saying it was FREE to remove on a one time basis, he went back to the service dept and
they looked it up on their computer..... yes...I got it for free that same day.

Richard

 

[rbaker]

More info on this topic.....Richard...................



Quote from: Majorrocky on April 22, 2009, 07:49:07 PM
I recently dropped my '08 SERK at the local dealer to have some passing lamps installed, turn signals relocated, etc.  While I was there I made the statement that if there were any downloads available for this bike to go ahead and take care of it.  One of the mechanics at the same dealer had mentioned several weeks ago that there was one available that would fix a problem that I had experienced (if you cut the bike of with the ignition switch first instead of the run / off switch on the handlebars there is a possiblity that the throttle by wire (?) may not have time to set the idle all the way down and when you crank it back up it runs at a constant high idle, requiring some magic combination of the ignition switch and run / off buttons to reset it).  

Anyway, I digress... when I picked the bike up today I was told that there was indeed a "chargeable" code download available and that they had performed the update.  I didn't catch the word "chargeable" until I went to pay the bill and even then it didn't really sink in.



I now wonder if I just got taken to the cleaners...  The charge for that update was $149.95 (give or take with labor & local shop discounts, taxes, etc.).  The charge code on the invoice was 33237-08C/DT.

Can anyone explain to me exactly what that update was / what it does and more importantly why I should have to pay $149.95 for a system update on a bike that I've had less than 9 months and has only a little over 3K miles on it?  If there's a reason then so be it, I'd just like to understand it a little better.

I work in the I.T. field and when there's a system update available to fix issues with a computer it is generally made available for free.  I'm gathering that's not the case with bikes?  

Any insight anyone could provide me would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Major

Ride On...................

My response:
I had them remove the parade mode as I felt it was unsafe. When i asked them to do it, the first thing out of their mouth was '$350.00"
I told them (dealer) that on the Harley Davidson Web site it states a one time "FREE" download to remove that feature.
After I talked with the General Manager he then talked to the Service Manager and they completed it at "no Charge".
You might check the website also and maybe could find more about your download.
Good luck and you know everyone on this site will be watching and giving you some expert advice.
  

[dlaws01]

OK, now I really confused.  It was my understanding that the 110B engine did not have the Single cylinder "parade mode". Also, I thought that on the 110A engines equipped with that feature, that there was a switch somewhere on the handlebar controls that allowed for the rider to turn the "parade mode" on or off at their discretion.  I have the 110B on my 08 springer and do not have any type of switch or recall any discussion of this feature in my owners manual or service manual.  Did I miss something?  Mine has never ran on one cylinder and I would never want it too. Also, I don't have any visible deactivation switch on my handlebars.  If the 08 110B engines have this feature, I would like to have it disarmed. I feel like an idiot for not knowing.

[rbaker]

OK, now I really confused.  It was my understanding that the 110B engine did not have the Single cylinder "parade mode". Also, I thought that on the 110A engines equipped with that feature, that there was a switch somewhere on the handlebar controls that allowed for the rider to turn the "parade mode" on or off at their discretion.  I have the 110B on my 08 springer and do not have any type of switch or recall any discussion of this feature in my owners manual or service manual.  Did I miss something?  Mine has never ran on one cylinder and I would never want it too. Also, I don't have any visible deactivation switch on my handlebars.  If the 08 110B engines have this feature, I would like to have it disarmed. I feel like an idiot for not knowing.

ON FL's you can activate it or de-activate it at idle. With the cruise control off, roll the throttle forward past stop and hold it. The cruise control light will flash orange meaning the system is de-activated.

Roll it forward again and it will flash green meaning the system is activated, so you can turn it off or on at will. Of course, even if it's on, the engine temp sensor has to get hot enough to kick it in.

07-08 FX models, I believe the feature has to be De-activated by the dealer.(ECM)

I don't understand why it's only on the FL series bikes and not ALL the bikes. (I guess because of the cruise control??)

[grc]

There is no handlebar switch for the EITMS.  The Touring models, starting in 2008, incorporated Electronic Throttle Control.  In December of 2007 Harley added the capability for the rider to enable or disable the EITMS using the throttle grip.  Only models with ETC can be enabled or disabled by the rider, all others require a calibration download from the dealer.

See the attachment for a description of the change and the instructions on how to enable or disable the system.  I can think of absolutely no reason to disable the system, especially if you've had your bike tuned so that it doesn't run extremely hot. 


Jerry

[rbaker]

There is no handlebar switch for the EITMS.  The Touring models, starting in 2008, incorporated Electronic Throttle Control.  In December of 2007 Harley added the capability for the rider to enable or disable the EITMS using the throttle grip.  Only models with ETC can be enabled or disabled by the rider, all others require a calibration download from the dealer.

See the attachment for a description of the change and the instructions on how to enable or disable the system.  I can think of absolutely no reason to disable the system, especially if you've had your bike tuned so that it doesn't run extremely hot. 


Jerry

I also liked this thread................  http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69187.0;attach=205686;image

[Midnight Rider]

There is no handlebar switch for the EITMS.  The Touring models, starting in 2008, incorporated Electronic Throttle Control.  In December of 2007 Harley added the capability for the rider to enable or disable the EITMS using the throttle grip.  Only models with ETC can be enabled or disabled by the rider, all others require a calibration download from the dealer.

See the attachment for a description of the change and the instructions on how to enable or disable the system.  I can think of absolutely no reason to disable the system, especially if you've had your bike tuned so that it doesn't run extremely hot. 


Jerry

Precisely, as always.

[rbaker]

Precisely, as always.

Here is the reason I have it disabled on both of mine.


Both of my Screamin Eagles have that feature turned off. I feel it is a unsafe feature and as I was making a right turn from
a stop sign, halfway thru the engine coughed and stalled, Just about dropped it!

There are many posts......here is one...

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=29885.0

Richard

[grc]

Here is the reason I have it disabled on both of mine.


Both of my Screamin Eagles have that feature turned off. I feel it is a unsafe feature and as I was making a right turn from
a stop sign, halfway thru the engine coughed and stalled, Just about dropped it!

There are many posts......here is one...

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=29885.0

Richard

Funny thing about that, I had the same problem on my stock 2005 that didn't have EITMS at all, and it was due to the lousy factory calibration.  I'd suggest the really lean spot off idle that Harley had in their calibrations was the real culprit.  A slight tweak to my map completely eliminated the problem.

Even if you tried to idle away from a stop, there are multiple triggers that cause the rear cylinder to resume firing (detailed in the bulletin I think) other than just throttle opening.  The earliest examples ('07 and early '08) weren't calibrated and integrated all that well, as is true with anything Harley introduces since it takes them a couple years of road testing by customers before they get all the bugs worked out.  But the recent bikes seem to be OK.  Of course the choice is yours, but I don't think it's doing others a service by claiming the system is a safety problem.  It is a useful response to a real problem, namely overheating of the rear cylinders due to insufficient air flow and lean mixtures.  It reminds me a little of the original GM idea of the 4-6-8 engine that cut out cylinders under certain conditions to improve fuel economy.  The first attempts were not all that great, but with modern electronics the idea works virtually seamlessly.  IMHO, the EITMS is an effective bandaid for the high heat problem Harley has with their 100 year old engine design, at least until they join the 21st century.  Anyone who disables it needs to be aware of the hazards of sitting at idle for long periods of time or getting stuck in heavy slow traffic, and take manual measures to respond to the problem since they've eliminated the automatic measures.


Jerry

[rbaker]

Funny thing about that, I had the same problem on my stock 2005 that didn't have EITMS at all, and it was due to the lousy factory calibration.  I'd suggest the really lean spot off idle that Harley had in their calibrations was the real culprit.  A slight tweak to my map completely eliminated the problem.

Even if you tried to idle away from a stop, there are multiple triggers that cause the rear cylinder to resume firing (detailed in the bulletin I think) other than just throttle opening.  The earliest examples ('07 and early '08) weren't calibrated and integrated all that well, as is true with anything Harley introduces since it takes them a couple years of road testing by customers before they get all the bugs worked out.  But the recent bikes seem to be OK.  Of course the choice is yours, but I don't think it's doing others a service by claiming the system is a safety problem.  It is a useful response to a real problem, namely overheating of the rear cylinders due to insufficient air flow and lean mixtures.  It reminds me a little of the original GM idea of the 4-6-8 engine that cut out cylinders under certain conditions to improve fuel economy.  The first attempts were not all that great, but with modern electronics the idea works virtually seamlessly.  IMHO, the EITMS is an effective bandaid for the high heat problem Harley has with their 100 year old engine design, at least until they join the 21st century.  Anyone who disables it needs to be aware of the hazards of sitting at idle for long periods of time or getting stuck in heavy slow traffic, and take manual measures to respond to the problem since they've eliminated the automatic measures.Jerry

Yes, it is just for my use only, on my two Harleys, I am painfully aware of riding in the heat and have installed an oil cooler on the 2007 FXSTSSE and the oil temp gauge on 2010 UCSE. The info you enclosed will help "dlaws01" make a choice if he wants to disable this feature as he was not aware of it.

My 2007 FXSTSSE had so many problems,I just wanted one less thing to fail also...after 6 recalls, the factory installed a new 2009 110 engine and has been running great since.

I had oil coolers on my 1955 FL and my 1965 FLH and my 1974 FX and my 1993 FXDL.
Richard

[napalm]

Could be a faulty ignition switch or kill switch...

napalm