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Re: Angels and Demons
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2009, 10:32:06 PM »
Quote from: SBB on April 28, 2009, 10:29:10 PM
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Is that a fact backed up by valid information or just an opinion?
If presented as a fact I would like to see the data to back up that claim.

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I believe the upforce issue has been wind tunnel tested by Klockwerks. The claim is that the fairing creates a negative downforce (lift) at higher speeds. Dont know how fairing lowers would work into the equasion.

Quote from: Smuuth on April 28, 2009, 10:29:27 PM
Likely the whole bike will belong to the insurance company.  However, if he gets to it first and wants to sell the highway pegs and/or the XM module, I would be interested as well.

Exactly what I was thinking... they'd never know something was missing.
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Re: Angels and Demons
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2009, 10:35:42 PM »
A fool and his scoot are soon parted. Glad he is ok and no one else had to pay for his folly!
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Re: Angels and Demons
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2009, 10:40:28 PM »
Quote from: 2009_FLTRSEI3 on April 28, 2009, 10:32:06 PM
I believe the upforce issue has been wind tunnel tested by Klockwerks. The claim is that the fairing creates a negative downforce (lift) at higher speeds. Dont know how fairing lowers would work into the equasion.



Is this information from the company that sells those aerodynamic winshields that look great but function poorly?
Most of the people I know have changed them to a CB or Clearview.
I struggle to believe their claims unless they can present facts.

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Re: Angels and Demons
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2009, 10:40:56 PM »
Quote from: Buy early on April 28, 2009, 10:35:42 PM
A fool and his scoot are soon parted. Glad he is ok and no one else had to pay for his folly!

Good one B/E!

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Re: Angels and Demons
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2009, 10:43:52 PM »
Quote from: SBB on April 28, 2009, 10:40:28 PM

Is this information from the company that sells those aerodynamic winshields that look great but function poorly?
Most of the people I know have changed them to a CB or Clearview.
I struggle to believe their claims unless they can present facts.

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That be the one... go to thier website and that is the touted claim...

might be good for Aerodynamics, but I still think they are ugly.
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Re: Angels and Demons
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2009, 11:07:38 AM »
The other bike was a 103 CI Street Glide and it suffered no ill effects.......
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Re: Angels and Demons
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2009, 07:57:32 PM »
There have been a number of cases, and some lawsuits about this issue. It's not new and apparently it's not resolved yet....

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=harley+davidson+high+speed+wobble&fr=yfp-t-103&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8
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Re: Angels and Demons
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2009, 08:25:23 PM »
Quote from: CVOJOE on April 29, 2009, 07:57:32 PM
There have been a number of cases, and some lawsuits about this issue. It's not new and apparently it's not resolved yet....

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=harley+davidson+high+speed+wobble&fr=yfp-t-103&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

I read most of the link you gave.
Help me and point out where the 09 new frame has shown to have the same issues as the older style frame?
I don't see it,,,,,,,,,, can you show me a link that documents a wobble on an 09 FL frame.

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Re: Angels and Demons
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2009, 08:53:23 PM »
Quote from: SBB on April 29, 2009, 08:25:23 PM
I read most of the link you gave.
Help me and point out where the 09 new frame has shown to have the same issues as the older style frame?
I don't see it,,,,,,,,,, can you show me a link that documents a wobble on an 09 FL frame.

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Did someone call out the 09' frame? Did I miss something? I read back through the thread, I couldn't find where someone did. Maybe I missed it.  :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
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Re: Angels and Demons
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2009, 08:59:39 PM »
Quote from: 2009_FLTRSEI3 on April 28, 2009, 10:26:09 PM
Well, I'm glad he's relatively OK....

lesson learned...

Looks like the BSR floorboards and brackets are still good... think your buddy would sell them?

Glad he's ok., but I was thinking the same thing. :-\
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Re: Angels and Demons
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2009, 09:15:13 PM »
Quote from: Ditch on April 29, 2009, 08:53:23 PM
Did someone call out the 09' frame? Did I miss something? I read back through the thread, I couldn't find where someone did. Maybe I missed it.  :nixweiss: :nixweiss:


When you  read the first post of this thread Ditch,,,,,,,,,,the bike that crashed is an 09 FL,,,,,,,,,and then everyone wants to jump on claim that even the 09's still have issues.

And to quote CVOJoe,

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There have been a number of cases, and some lawsuits about this issue. It's not new and apparently it's not resolved yet....

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Re: Angels and Demons
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2009, 09:56:02 PM »
Quote from: SBB on April 29, 2009, 09:15:13 PM

When you  read the first post of this thread Ditch,,,,,,,,,,the bike that crashed is an 09 FL,,,,,,,,,and then everyone wants to jump on claim that even the 09's still have issues.

And to quote CVOJoe,

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I missed or skimmed over the 09' part in the first post.... Sorry! I guess if a bike develops a speed wobble at 90-100 mph. It doesn't matter if the bike is an 89' or an 09'...... the speed wobble doesn't care.  :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: I'm just glad the guy was able to "limp" away! He had the angels working overtime that day!  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Angels and Demons
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2009, 08:27:14 PM »
Quote from: Ditch on April 29, 2009, 09:56:02 PM
I missed or skimmed over the 09' part in the first post.... Sorry! I guess if a bike develops a speed wobble at 90-100 mph. It doesn't matter if the bike is an 89' or an 09'...... the speed wobble doesn't care.  :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: I'm just glad the guy was able to "limp" away! He had the angels working overtime that day!  ;D ;D ;D

SBB, I missed it as well............sorry 'bout the confusion. So how is it that this happened on the new frame? It's worrisome, but the horses are not all in the barn on this yet. It's obvous to most that HD full baggers are not designed to 100+MPH runs without some handling improvements, or more. I'm just glad the guy survived the thing.   :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Angels and Demons
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2009, 06:05:40 PM »
The left lower and horn cover still look good...how much does he want for'em?   ::) Obviously, I wouldn't joke if he'd been hurt or maimed someone.  :(
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Re: Angels and Demons
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2009, 11:29:04 AM »
Quote from: sleepybare on April 28, 2009, 07:04:02 PM
While they were running side by side at about 110 mph. One of them developed speed wobbles.

On a more serious note, I'm glad he came out of his "learning experience" fairly unscathed with only temporary reminders. 

What makes me wonder is how did he develop the speed wobbles.  These new frames and tire package are supposed to be more stable than the older touring platforms which would speed wobble at the slightest surface crack on uneven pavement.  Worn Dunlaps would make it worse.  My 09 SERG is rock-solid in every sircumstance I've encountered so far.

If the tires weren't blown, did he check the pressure?  Did he have the rear shocks aired properly?  Was it windy?
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