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CVO Technical => Wheels/Tires/Suspension/Brakes => Topic started by: Unbalanced on October 20, 2011, 03:35:24 PM
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Just and FYI,
Campaign 145. as of Today 10/20/2011. There is no tech article yet, but one is expected shortly. I know it affects at least FL models from 2009-2012 as my bike is one affected.
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:huepfenlol2:
last Sat I had mine replaced, cost me $65.00 :nixweiss:
Marty
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mine went out 3 weeks ago '10 ultra
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Unbalanced, the newer ones are junk ,maybe these replacements will be better. I hope they improved the ones they are using for the recall. I have a 95 Heritage which had the larger olderstyle rear brakelight switch. It lasted from 1995 up until 2007 (I have commented on this before). Since then I have replaced it a total of 4 times since the original went out. I got pissed and called HD. They reimbursed me for 3 of them(part only) and told me that was the last time. I installed the last 3. They did not reimburse me for the labor I paid for on the first one that went bad. The one on my 09SEUC is still working so thanks for the tip. By the way whenever you change one out you have to bleed the brakes. Local HD shop figured they could change it out (the first replacement) without bleeding, so I found myself bleeding my rear brakes in motel parking lot in Mohab Utah.(that was on my Heritage in 07). Again thanks for the tip. I will keep my eye on it.CAHDBIKER
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Just and FYI,
Campaign 145. as of Today 10/20/2011. There is no tech article yet, but one is expected shortly. I know it affects at least FL models from 2009-2012 as my bike is one affected.
Harry can you elaborate?
My cruise control doesn't disengage when I use my rear brake. I haven't checked to see if my brake light comes on......but I sure will tonight.
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Cant wait to see how long it will take to have a recall from the MoCo. :nixweiss:
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Cant wait to see how long it will take to have a recall from the MoCo. :nixweiss:
Hopefully it won't take "as long as possible." Brake malfunctions are about as serious as it gets... I will be following this three with interest...
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:huepfenlol2:
last Sat I had mine replaced, cost me $65.00 :nixweiss:
Marty
Marty,
Maybe you can get reimbursed for the repair. It might be worth a try
Mark
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Has anyone done a side by side comparison of older and newer switches? Just wondering if they are really different or if the old switch isnt holding up to the pressures of the ABS pump?
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Has anyone done a side by side comparison of older and newer switches? Just wondering if they are really different or if the old switch isnt holding up to the pressures of the ABS pump?
It looks like the switch has been around since ’05 or ’06 and is used across multiple platforms. The issue with the Touring and Trikes could very well be the proximity to and config of the exhaust pipe.
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My 09 was replaced
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Brand new bike too:
Open Recalls
There are one or more open recalls on your vehicle:
2011 CVO™ Ultra Classic® Electra Glide® VIN: 1hd
The following list contains the campaign number and a brief description:
Recall Notice: 0145: RCL:2009-2012 BRAKE SWITCH RCL
We strongly urge you to take your motorcycle to your dealer to have the appropriate service performed as soon as possible. Should you choose to ride your motorcycle prior to this service, we urge you to be aware of this condition. Some product campaigns may have expired and you may have to pay for the service. Please see your local Harley-Davidson dealer for further details.
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Gabbart my local dealers dont have the recall replacements yet. They are in the process of sending them out as well as publishing the M xxxx article to tell the dealers what to do and what parts are necessary to complete the recall..
CAD you are correct in that you do have to bleed the brakes when this recall is done..
I happened to see a melted one today and it was pretty ugly.
JCZ I can't elaborate beyond the above as this is all I have seen/been told. I think checked on my own bike and received the same recall message as posted above about getting it done, just the dealers don't have the parts quite yet here anyhow.
Just wanted people to be aware it was out there.
Wonder if they are going to ground all the cop bikes till these get replaced on them /shrug
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Took my bike in to get some work done. Went to pick it up and the dealer would not release the bike to me. Apparently the Moco issued a recall on all touring models 2009 and later. The recall is a brake switch that may leak onto the brakes and cause an accident.
I am all for safety and don't blame the dealer, but for crying out loud the Moco has had two years to figure this out.
Just frustrated. They may get the new parts on Monday.
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So, do you have the recall number?
and when was it issued? ???
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Recall Notice: 0145: RCL:2009-2012 BRAKE SWITCH RCL
searching for the respective bulletin ...
Update:
there is no NHTSA entry for this recall.
Update II:
here is the corresponding service bulletin M 1310 (http://www.abtmeyer-fricke.de/public/Diverses/M1310.PDF)
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Took my bike in to get some work done. Went to pick it up and the dealer would not release the bike to me. Apparently the Moco issued a recall on all touring models 2009 and later. The recall is a brake switch that may leak onto the brakes and cause an accident.
I am all for safety and don't blame the dealer, but for crying out loud the Moco has had two years to figure this out.
Just frustrated. They may get the new parts on Monday.
I moved/merged your thread w/existing one regarding this recall so members would be aware of the possibility of their bikes being held by dealerships if they take them in before parts are available.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Recall Notice: 0145: RCL:2009-2012 BRAKE SWITCH RCL
searching for the respective bulletin ...
Update:
there is no NHTSA entry for this recall.
Update II:
here is the corresponding service bulletin M 1310 (http://www.abtmeyer-fricke.de/public/Diverses/M1310.PDF)
Thanks Kraut! You always have great information. My brother is scheduled to pick up his new 2012 Street Glide this morning.
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I happened to see a melted one today and it was pretty ugly.
Melted because of the under the frame exhaust routing??
If so, those with earlier model bikes who have installed this type exhaust may need to be aware of the issue...
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Just got off the phone with my dealer (Blackwolf HD, Bristol, VA).
It was this simple...had them check my vin for the recall....my 2011 is listed as having the bad switch. I was told they just received the bulletin yesterday and the parts are on the way to them within the next week. I will get a call when the parts arrive and then schedule an appointment for replacement.
Thanks again to this forum!
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Harry can you elaborate?
My cruise control doesn't disengage when I use my rear brake. I haven't checked to see if my brake light comes on......but I sure will tonight.
What did you find, JC?
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Marty,
Maybe you can get reimbursed for the repair. It might be worth a try
Mark
D/k Mark
I guess I should try, Customer service at the Moco hates me 8)
Something about an 07 and lemon law :nixweiss:
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Melted because of the under the frame exhaust routing??
If so, those with earlier model bikes who have installed this type exhaust may need to be aware of the issue...
You have me wondering about my '07 since I have installed the cross under type exhaust from Khrome Werks. But the recall notice shows the contents of the repair kit as rear stop light switch, 72016-06A and state that it is a non-sold part number. Don't understand exactly what is going on here. :nixweiss:
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Wife came home last night and told me of this recall on my 10, and just messaged that they just got some of the ordered parts in for the recall, going to drop mine off this evening so they can work it in.
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Dealer said they will have my new switch Monday.
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What did you find, JC?
I forgot to check.....but just called my wife and asked her to check. She said that my brake light does not come on with the rear brake pedal. I'll check for fluid leaking when I get home this evening.
By the way, the local dealership got their bundle of switches in just a few minutes ago......he just called me. :2vrolijk_21:
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Dealer said they will have my new switch Monday.
Muddypaws, is that Waugh you spoke to?
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Just stopped by the dealer. Service mgr. stopped me and said they had a limited supply come in and to bring it in first thing in the a.m. Appreciate them looking out for me.
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Having mine done tomorrow a.m. They'll put one aside for me if I don't make it in first thing but better to get it done. Dealer says they have plenty of switches.
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Thanks for the heads up, bet our dealer hasn`t heard.......soon find out though
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This question was bound to come up: I have installed a Fullsac X-Pipe and loaded a new map via TTS Mastertune. When I bring the bike in to have the recall addressed what should I do? I guess my choices are:
1) Don't do anything or
2) Load the factory map back into it before the visit to the dealer
The problem with number 2 is having the bike not run right while the factory map is installed. The dealer I am going to take it to is about 45 minutes away plus I am sure they will test ride it after the work is complete.
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#1. The dealer should not care. This is a safety recall.
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This question was bound to come up: I have installed a Fullsac X-Pipe and loaded a new map via TTS Mastertune. When I bring the bike in to have the recall addressed what should I do? I guess my choices are:
1) Don't do anything or
2) Load the factory map back into it before the visit to the dealer
The problem with number 2 is having the bike not run right while the factory map is installed. The dealer I am going to take it to is about 45 minutes away plus I am sure they will test ride it after the work is complete.
It's a brake switch. Nothing to do w/ a map. 1/2 hour repair and brake bleed and you're out the door.
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Interesting timing, neighbors CVO 11 RGU brake light
started staying on during Biketoberfest, found out it
only happens when you press on the rear brake.
Seems he has caught the brake switch blues.
Dealer said he'd be in line behind the floor bikes
first, then customers, Yeah sales, but really
he has the problem, not potentially has the problem
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I was riding with a couple of friends who had rented 2012 Street Glides and we were called by the dealer to bring the bikes back. Apparently there is a recall that affects a lot of touring bikes with the catalytic converter and the generated heat breaking down the resin the switch uses. It looks like it may affect my 11 CVO SG although I have Fullsac on mine now
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2009-2012 affected....you would think if it's been there since 09 it would have melted by now...who knows..maybe if the bike still had stock exhaust and stock tune :confused5:
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I forgot to check.....but just called my wife and asked her to check. She said that my brake light does not come on with the rear brake pedal. I'll check for fluid leaking when I get home this evening.
By the way, the local dealership got their bundle of switches in just a few minutes ago......he just called me. :2vrolijk_21:
I thought that's what you were going to find....
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2009-2012 affected....you would think if it's been there since 09 it would have melted by now...who knows..maybe if the bike still had stock exhaust and stock tune :confused5:
Mine went out last weekend at San Simeon on my 2010 (that I bought in late 09).
Had mine and my wife's (09 Street Glide) changed out this afternoon. I called Chuck (CAP).....he's got an 09 SERG. His went out last week also. He got his changed this afternoon, also.
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It's a brake switch. Nothing to do w/ a map. 1/2 hour repair and brake bleed and you're out the door.
I was asking mainly due to this warning statement in the Service Bulletin:
Any time the ABS module, either master cylinder, or any
line between a master cylinder and the ABS module is
disconnected or replaced, Digital Technician II must be
used during the brake bleeding procedure to verify all air
is removed from the system. Failure to do so could result
in air in the hydraulic brake system, reducing brake efficiency,
which could result in death or serious injury
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Mine went out last weekend at San Simeon on my 2010 (that I bought in late 09).
Had mine and my wife's (09 Street Glide) changed out this afternoon. I called Chuck (CAP).....he's got an 09 SERG. His went out last week also. He got his changed this afternoon, also.
I guess it takes a while to melt.....Now to find time to get it done....Hate going to the dealer for service
Knowing dealers around here, they will want me to leave the bike for 2 days.....
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I guess it takes a while to melt.....Now to find time to get it done....Hate going to the dealer for service
Knowing dealers around here, they will want me to leave the bike for 2 days.....
I don't think they're going to have the room for all the bikes that will be bomb barding them over the next two to three weeks.
Know what you mean about hate to go to the dealrship for service.....fortunately, it's just a 20-30 min. job and you're on your way. I took mine in, got it done, rode it home and then took Terrie's in. Chuck's was being done at the same time as Terrie's, so they're jumping on them. :2vrolijk_21:
Heading to Jim's in the morning for a new clutch pack in Terrie's bike and to have the HD Touring Pullbacks put back on her bike. The Klocwerks Ergo bars caused her wrist pain. Me to, just the couple of times I took it to the gas station.....thought it was just me. Was talking to Jon (Jonga) about it on the phone yesterday and he said that it hurt his wrist the time that he rode it. So much for being "ergonomic". :nixweiss:
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Mine was replaced about a month ago at the 45K service. Dropping it off tomorrow for the "3rd" heated grip controller replacement. I'll have them check to see if it's the new switch.
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09 had no cat
but has same part probably why its included
just to make sure..
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all 09 HDIs had the cat.
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It took my 2009 45,000 miles with the cat in to melt the switch.
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Lose the cat. Nothing but grief w/ it.
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I thought the 2009's had the cat in the muffler??
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that was before 09, since then the cat is in the header.
The recall today got a NHTSA listing btw:
"NHTSA Campaign ID Number : 11V506
Manufacturer : HARLEY-DAVIDSON MOTOR COMPANY
Make / Model Years :
H-D / 2009-2012
Subject : REAR BRAKE LAMP SWITCH"
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I was asking mainly due to this warning statement in the Service Bulletin:
Any time the ABS module, either master cylinder, or any
line between a master cylinder and the ABS module is
disconnected or replaced, Digital Technician II must be
used during the brake bleeding procedure to verify all air
is removed from the system. Failure to do so could result
in air in the hydraulic brake system, reducing brake efficiency,
which could result in death or serious injury
Had mine changed out this a.m. Very quick procedure, abs bleeding and all. No affect at all on tune. Go for it w/ no worry about existing map.
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I thought the 2009's had the cat in the muffler??
That is somewhat true; 2010 was the first year for the cat in the header for most machines. :2vrolijk_21:
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that was before 09, since then the cat is in the header.
The recall today got a NHTSA listing btw:
"NHTSA Campaign ID Number : 11V506
Manufacturer : HARLEY-DAVIDSON MOTOR COMPANY
Make / Model Years :
H-D / 2009-2012
Subject : REAR BRAKE LAMP SWITCH"
Nope, some 09's did not have the cat in the header. In fact, I've got an "catless" 2009 header for sale...
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=67610.msg941743#msg941743
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As best I can remember, some '09 models had a cat in the headpipe collector and some did not. The way I remember it is that California bikes and 110 CVO's had cats, regular 49 state TC 96 models did not. Of course, I have to offer up a disclaimer since at least half my brain cells are AWOL these days.
Jerry
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As best I can remember, some '09 models had a cat in the headpipe collector and some did not. The way I remember it is that California bikes and 110 CVO's had cats, regular 49 state TC 96 models did not. Of course, I have to offer up a disclaimer since at least half my brain cells are AWOL these days.
Jerry
There was more going on in 2009 than I realized. The original exhaust on my 49 state ’09, 96" FLHX has an open head pipe with one catalyst muffler. The 49 state 2009 Trike is setup the same. 2009 110’s and California machines have a catalyst headpipe.
Good catch! :2vrolijk_21:
I’m with you on the brain cells; the challenge seems to be saving enough of them for the home stretch. If there was some kind of dipstick that one could stick in their ear, this thing would be a lot easier to manage.
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As best I can remember, some '09 models had a cat in the headpipe collector and some did not. The way I remember it is that California bikes and 110 CVO's had cats, regular 49 state TC 96 models did not. Of course, I have to offer up a disclaimer since at least half my brain cells are AWOL these days.
Jerry
This is correct!
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Timing is everything. My rear brake switch failed during the MV GTG. Tried getting it replaced at dealers in SC & GA and were told by both that the switch is obsolete and the new style switch was not yet available. (This was on Sept. 23, 2011). Got back to New York, went to my dealer who had a switch in stock and made appointment to have switch changed and another set of heated grips installed (third set). Heated grips were on back order so repair was delayed. Picking completed bike up tomorrow, do you think the correct brake switch (#72016-06A) has been installed???? Stay tuned!
Tom P.
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Timing is everything. My rear brake switch failed during the MV GTG. Tried getting it replaced at dealers in SC & GA and were told by both that the switch is obsolete and the new style switch was not yet available. (This was on Sept. 23, 2011). Got back to New York, went to my dealer who had a switch in stock and made appointment to have switch changed and another set of heated grips installed (third set). Heated grips were on back order so repair was delayed. Picking completed bike up tomorrow, do you think the correct brake switch (#72016-06A) has been installed???? Stay tuned!
Tom P.
Good question....if they just had one in stock, who knows how long it was there. Did they get the memo that they were not supposed to sell the old style since it is now being recalled???
Which dealer did you go to Tom?
Mike
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The "new" part has a part number that isn't in the system, so I don't see how a dealer could have had the correct part in stock prior to receiving his special shipment of recall parts. Odds are if you've had the switch replaced previously, you will still need to have the recall performed with the updated part. I would definitely check it out and not assume you are good to go.
Jerry
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I paid my $50 deductable to have mine changed out in September. Marty, I'll let you know how it goes getting my money back...
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One of the first signs it's failing is the smell of burnt oil
mine has had that , of course right after a full service
couldn't find oil anywhere.
It blows back on the crossunder pipe
that's your key sign that the brake switch
is going away.
Mine goes in tomorrow for replacement
buddies got done today takes about an hour.
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Had my switch replaced well over a year ago, as the brake light quit working.. according to my vin# on harleys site it needs changing...
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I paid my $50 deductable to have mine changed out in September. Marty, I'll let you know how it goes getting my money back...
Brian, that's the old switch if it was done in Sept. The new style switch was just released a week ago, no part number in the system and is not available for sale over the counter yet. I think you're still going to have to do the recall. :2vrolijk_21:
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I paid my $50 deductable to have mine changed out in September. Marty, I'll let you know how it goes getting my money back...
Thank you Brian :2vrolijk_21:
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Just heard this on the news and follow up link below:
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/10/24/4002839/harley-to-recall-more-than-308000.html
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Harley recalling more than 308,000 motorcycles
By The Associated Press
Harley-Davidson is recalling about 308,000 motorcycles to fix a switch problem that can cause failure of the brake lights and possibly even the rear brakes themselves.
The company says in government documents that brake light switches can be exposed to too much heat from the exhaust system. The brake lights can fail, and the problem also can cause fluid leaks and the loss of rear brakes.
The problem affects Touring, CVO Touring and Trike vehicles from the 2009 through 2012 model years.
Harley says it will notify owners of the recall. Dealers will install a rear brake light switch kit free of charge.
The recall affects about 251,000 motorcycles in the U.S. alone.
The company says it's aware of only one crash from the problem
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Massive recall of 2009-2012 models for the rear brake light switch that can be damaged by heat from the exhaust, leading to loss of brake lights and/or brake fluid leaks causing loss of the rear brakes. They know of only one accident from it. They said they will install a "rear brake switch kit", which I take to mean a heat shield of some kind.
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I took mine over to my dealer Saturday to get my horn replaced, and they also changed my brake light switch. When I came to the end of the parking lot I almost ran into traffic because they got so much air in the line my pedal went twice as far down. So Sunday I got to bleed my brakes myself. :-\ Just another reason I like doing my own work. Seems everytime, there's something. They mean well and everything, but they just don't check their work.
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Are they just replacing the switch only or are they also bleeding the brakes? Someone had posted that the brakes must be bled also??
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Had mine done Sat. Took 1/2 hour. Tech then road tested and I watched him check the pads. Yes, they bled the brakes. I don't feel a difference.
GK
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Just read the article in the Myrtle Beach Sun News ( The Sun News.com ) that Harley is recalling 308,000 touring bikes built between June 6/08 and Sept. 16/11. It involves faulty brake switches on Touring, CVO touring and Trikes.
Beagle
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Could be a long wait to get your parts then!
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I got two of my bikes done this morning. My dealer got a shipment in of the switches to get started with. It is only about 10% of what he estimates he will need. Dealers are doing floor bikes first. They can sell the bikes but they cannot deliver them until recall is done.
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This was on page 2 of the service bulletin:
Required Dealer Action
Any time the ABS module, either master cylinder, or any
line between a master cylinder and the ABS module is
disconnected or replaced, Digital Technician II must be
used during the brake bleeding procedure to verify all air
is removed from the system. Failure to do so could result
in air in the hydraulic brake system, reducing brake efficiency,
which could result in death or serious injury.
(00585b)
NOTES
• Digital Technician II (Part No. HD-48650/Version
5.002.0000) implemented a change to the ABS Service
Procedure which will allow you to perform this function on
the front or rear system individually. Verify Digital Technician
II has Version 5.002.0000 installed.
Go to Post#15 on this thread for the entire service bulletin......Thanks Kraut !!!
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Getting mine done now hanging outside service dept with a cigar
(http://tapatalk.com/mu/a68909e5-d170-4774.jpg)
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SERVICE BULLETIN #M-1310 2009-2012 TOURING MODEL REAR STOP LIGHT SWITCH SAFETY RECALL CAMPAIGN 0145 (Dated October 20, 2011)
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Excerpt from the article linked below
Harley-Davidson is recalling about 308,000 motorcycles, most of them in the U.S., to fix a switch problem that can cause failure of the brake lights and possibly the rear brakes themselves.
The company said in documents filed last week with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that brake light switches can be exposed to too much heat from the exhaust system. The heat can cause the brake lights to fail, and the problem also can cause fluid leaks and the loss of rear brakes, the documents said.
The problem affects Touring, CVO Touring and Trike motorcycles from the 2009 through 2012 model years. They were built between June 6, 2008 and Sept. 16, 2011.
Harley says it will notify owners of the recall. Dealers will install a rear brake light switch kit free of charge.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/manufacturing/story/2011-10-24/harley-davidson-brakes-recall/50890560/1
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Oh boy another problem!
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I dropped my 11 SESG off today to have the amp and speaker grills replaced. They said they had about 10 switches for customer bikes to do the recall work so they will do mine when its in the shop. I have the dealer bulletin and its attached.
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Timing is everything. My rear brake switch failed during the MV GTG. Tried getting it replaced at dealers in SC & GA and were told by both that the switch is obsolete and the new style switch was not yet available. (This was on Sept. 23, 2011). Got back to New York, went to my dealer who had a switch in stock and made appointment to have switch changed and another set of heated grips installed (third set). Heated grips were on back order so repair was delayed. Picking completed bike up tomorrow, do you think the correct brake switch (#72016-06A) has been installed???? Stay tuned!
Tom P.
Went to pick up my bike today and of course the old part # switch was installed. So now my bike is sitting in the shop awaiting the delivery of the new type switch.
I wonder what the next issue will be?
Tom P.
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Had mine replaced today. Had been getting codes C1095 and C1216. Dealer had a small number of recall parts available, 50 or so, which will be gone fast. Took all of an hour at best. After reading this post and other articles about complete brake failures caused by the switch, I started thinking about being on I-75 going over to my dealer. Dealer said that if someone had already had it replaced before the recall, it must be replaced again under the terms of the recall at no cost. The folks who paid for the first replacement may be reimbursed, but that remains to be seen.
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Called my dealer today, Fink's HD Zanesville, OH, they have 27 replacements. They told me to stop by anytime today and they will change while I wait!
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The switch on my '11 ruse is functioning fine and no sign of any fluid leakage. And since I always use my front and rear brakes there is no issue of the brake light not activating even if the switch should fail. I will get it changed out but I am not getting overly anal about it.
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The switch on my '11 ruse is functioning fine and no sign of any fluid leakage. And since I always use my front and rear brakes there is no issue of the brake light not activating even if the switch should fail. I will get it changed out but I am not getting overly anal about it.
No disagreement w/ your thoughts but don't forget what brake fluid does to paint.
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The switch on my '11 ruse is functioning fine and no sign of any fluid leakage. And since I always use my front and rear brakes there is no issue of the brake light not activating even if the switch should fail. I will get it changed out but I am not getting overly anal about it.
Jerry, the switches apparently aren't failing catastrophically. Or at least they aren't normally. Remember, however, that the Federal notice said even Harley was already admitting one crash related to this problem. Even if it's a purely prophylactic repair you can't get "overly anal" about potential brake or brake warning problems.
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Jerry, the switches apparently aren't failing catastrophically. Or at least they aren't normally. Remember, however, that the Federal notice said even Harley was already admitting one crash related to this problem. Even if it's a purely prophylactic repair you can't get "overly anal" about potential brake or brake warning problems.
I definitely get anal about a potential brake failure :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
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I know "don't ask, don't tell" was repealed, but I'm starting to get a little concerned about all this talk about prophylactics and anal going on here.... :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
:devil:
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I know "don't ask, don't tell" was repealed, but I'm starting to get a little concerned about all this talk about prophylactics and anal going on here.... :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
:devil:
And it's all going on at highway speeds!! ??? :oops:
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I know "don't ask, don't tell" was repealed, but I'm starting to get a little concerned about all this talk about prophylactics and anal going on here.... :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
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Saw on the news last night. The MoCo says the recall is due to a rear brake switch that affects the rear brake light and possibly the rear brakes.
My experience was that it affected the rear brake before it ever affected the rear brake light. :nixweiss:
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For me:
The first thing i noticed was the Cruz control wasn't working.
second: I was told my brake light are on all the time, Blinkers worked, but running light were not showing due to the brighter lights washed them out.
Third: After the new (old style) switch was replaced, my rear brake pedal was lower to step on (very little change , but it did effect the pedal)
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For me:
The first thing i noticed was the Cruz control wasn't working.
second: I was told my brake light are on all the time, Blinkers worked, but running light were not showing due to the brighter lights washed them out.
Third: After the new (old style) switch was replaced, my rear brake pedal was lower to step on (very little change , but it did effect the pedal)
Terrie and I both noticed that also. But it does seem to be more user friendly. :nixweiss:
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I assume that if you've gone to a 2:1 exhaust, there's really no issue since there's no x-under pipe to heat up the switch. Is that correct?
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I assume that if you've gone to a 2:1 exhaust, there's really no issue since there's no x-under pipe to heat up the switch. Is that correct?
Not necessarily. I boiled my clutch fluid this summer on a hard ride in the Rocky Mountains in 95+ degree ambient temperature - with my D&D Boarzilla. I'm sure you could do the same to your brake fluid/switch. Any pipe that runs under or along side the switch has the potential of contributing to the issue.
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Not necessarily. I boiled my clutch fluid this summer on a hard ride in the Rocky Mountains in 95+ degree ambient temperature - with my D&D Boarzilla. I'm sure you could do the same to your brake fluid/switch. Any pipe that runs under or along side the switch has the potential of contributing to the issue.
Thanks
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I assume that if you've gone to a 2:1 exhaust, there's really no issue since there's no x-under pipe to heat up the switch. Is that correct?
Switch on my '07 with D&D Fat Cats went out last summer. I was checking my trailer lights when I discovered the rear brake did not activate the brake lights - no leak. Really did not think much about it just replaced the switch and bled the brakes. Bur now with my x-under pipe from Khrome Werks installed on the '07 I wonder about it. :nixweiss: And with the Khrome Werks pipe it would be one heck of a job to get the switch out without removing the head pipe. Very tight space to work with.
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Jerry, the switches apparently aren't failing catastrophically. Or at least they aren't normally. Remember, however, that the Federal notice said even Harley was already admitting one crash related to this problem. Even if it's a purely prophylactic repair you can't get "overly anal" about potential brake or brake warning problems.
So I shouldn't take the Alfred E. Newman attitude? Probably not. All I meant was that with everyone rushing out to the dealers to get this handled I may let the crowd thin out a bit before I take mine in. I will definitely keep a close eye on it however!
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I don't understand how replacing a brake light switch could possibly change the position of the rear brake pedal. :nixweiss: Someone enlighten me as to how that could be.
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Maybe someone did a bad job of bleeding the brakes :nixweiss:
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Maybe someone did a bad job of bleeding the brakes :nixweiss:
My thoughts exactly, Harry. I really haven't looked at the plumbing for the brakes on the new bikes, but I would assume the switch is downstream of the ABS module, so the digital tech would not have to be hooked up to bleed the brakes after installing the switch, just a regular quick bleed. :nixweiss:
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My thoughts exactly, Harry. I really haven't looked at the plumbing for the brakes on the new bikes, but I would assume the switch is downstream of the ABS module, so the digital tech would not have to be hooked up to bleed the brakes after installing the switch, just a regular quick bleed. :nixweiss:
From what I read about bleeding the brakes on a bike with ABS the Digital Technician is required to veryify that no air remains in the system. Don't know how it tells that but perhaps one of the techs could enlighten us. :nixweiss:
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My thoughts exactly, Harry. I really haven't looked at the plumbing for the brakes on the new bikes, but I would assume the switch is downstream of the ABS module, so the digital tech would not have to be hooked up to bleed the brakes after installing the switch, just a regular quick bleed. :nixweiss:
The dealership said that the digital tech does have to be used for ABS bikes. They had it hooked up....saw them using it.
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The ABS pump and valves (HCU - Hydraulic Control Unit) sit at the high point of the rear brake system, so anytime you open up that system the odds are fairly good that some air will migrate to the HCU. Air that gets trapped in the HCU isn't easy to remove with simple bleeding techniques, so manufacturers have had special routines for many many years now that involve using a scan tool or similar device to run a program that activates the pump and valves as you bleed the system, to help remove that trapped air. The ABS on your car or truck has the same requirement for bleeding, so what Harley has is definitely nothing new or unique.
Folks can do whatever they want I suppose, but my advice is simple: When dealing with safety, do it right, or don't do it at all.
Jerry
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This may have already been covered...
My Dealer's Lead Tech told me last night that some of the bikes switches used a plastic housing and that they are replacing them with ones constructed of some kind of metal... alloy possibly?
The primary problem was too much heat was getting to the plastic switches causing all kinds of failures, so some people had different experiences with their problems than others.
Mine just so happens to be plastic... so, when the snow and ice have departed, it's off to the dealer for a swap out. Although I didn't have any issues, and heat problems up here are rare, it's getting replaced all the same.
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So I shouldn't take the Alfred E. Newman attitude? Probably not. All I meant was that with everyone rushing out to the dealers to get this handled I may let the crowd thin out a bit before I take mine in. I will definitely keep a close eye on it however!
Just spoke to the local dealer here in Fl. I have my father's Tri Glide on the list which is now 20 long. Parts have been back ordered with no definitive timeline.
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The ABS pump and valves (HCU - Hydraulic Control Unit) sit at the high point of the rear brake system, so anytime you open up that system the odds are fairly good that some air will migrate to the HCU. Air that gets trapped in the HCU isn't easy to remove with simple bleeding techniques, so manufacturers have had special routines for many many years now that involve using a scan tool or similar device to run a program that activates the pump and valves as you bleed the system, to help remove that trapped air. The ABS on your car or truck has the same requirement for bleeding, so what Harley has is definitely nothing new or unique.
Folks can do whatever they want I suppose, but my advice is simple: When dealing with safety, do it right, or don't do it at all.
Jerry
Thanks Jerry. I knew there was a good reason - just did not know what it was. :2vrolijk_21:
Jerrry
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For me:
The first thing i noticed was the Cruz control wasn't working.
second: I was told my brake light are on all the time, Blinkers worked, but running light were not showing due to the brighter lights washed them out.
Third: After the new (old style) switch was replaced, my rear brake pedal was lower to step on (very little change , but it did effect the pedal)
Ditto for me . Got mine replaced on the 4th of Oct. $52.00 , will ask dealer about refund and to see if know if the correct switch was installed. Let's Roll
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Has anyone received their notice
Harley-Davidson
DETROIT – Harley-Davidson is recalling about 308,000 motorcycles to fix a switch problem that can cause failure of the brake lights and possibly even the rear brakes themselves.
The company says in government documents that brake light switches can be exposed to too much heat from the exhaust system. The brake lights can fail, and the problem also can cause fluid leaks and the loss of rear brakes.
The problem affects Touring, CVO Touring and Trike vehicles from the 2009 through 2012 model years.
Harley says it will notify owners of the recall. Dealers will install a rear brake light switch kit free of charge.
The recall affects about 251,000 motorcycles in the U.S. alone.
The company says it's aware of only one crash from the problem. It was unclear if anyone was hurt.
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A friend sent me the following:
"http://www.masslive.com/business-news/index.ssf/2011/10/harley-davidson_switch_recall.html
(http://www.masslive.com/business-news/index.ssf/2011/10/harley-davidson_switch_recall.html)
Harley-Davidson to recall more than 308,000 motorcycles
Published: Monday, October 24, 2011, 11:48 AM Updated: Monday, October 24, 2011, 11:50 AM
DETROIT (AP) — Harley-Davidson Inc. is recalling about 308,000 motorcycles to fix a switch problem that can cause failure of the brake lights and possibly even the rear brakes themselves.
The company said in documents filed last week with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that brake light switches can be exposed to too much heat from the exhaust system. The heat can cause the brake lights to fail, and the problem also can cause fluid leaks and the loss of rear brakes, the documents said.
The problem affects Touring, CVO Touring and Trike motorcycles from the 2009 through 2012 model years. They were built between June 6, 2008 and Sept. 16, 2011.
Harley says it will notify owners of the recall. Dealers will install a rear brake light switch kit free of charge.
The recall affects about 251,000 motorcycles in the U.S. alone, with the balance in other countries.
Harley said it noticed the problem in June of 2010 when it got a report of a Trike model motorcycle that lost its rear brakes due to the problem. The company began investigating, and in July of 2010, it sent investigators to a dealership in Louisiana to inspect another bike that was involved in a crash due to the problem.
The crash is the only one that Harley-Davidson is aware of. It was unclear if anyone was hurt. Messages were left at the company's Milwaukee headquarters seeking comment.
Harley said in the documents that there have been no more reports of the problem occurring since July of 2010.
The company also said in a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission that it expects the recall to cost $10 million to $12 million, which will be charged as an expense in the fourth quarter.
Shares of Harley-Davidson rose $1.18, or 3.1 percent, to $38.78 in midday trading Monday.
The Associated Press"
Anyone heard any details? The Harley site has been strangely quiet on the topic today...
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"Harley said it noticed the problem in June of 2010 when it got a report of a Trike model motorcycle that lost its rear brakes due to the problem. The company began investigating, and in July of 2010, it sent investigators to a dealership in Louisiana to inspect another bike that was involved in a crash due to the problem.The crash is the only one that Harley-Davidson is aware of. It was unclear if anyone was hurt. Messages were left at the company's Milwaukee headquarters seeking comment.
Harley said in the documents that there have been no more reports of the problem occurring since July of 2010."
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Obviously they haven't looked at their warranty claims or parts sales for switches since July of 2010, based on that comment versus the experiences of the folks on this site and others, with continuing issues right up to this date. It is typical of Harley however to try to ignore things like this for a year or two and hope they go away on their own.
Jerry
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The ABS pump and valves (HCU - Hydraulic Control Unit) sit at the high point of the rear brake system, so anytime you open up that system the odds are fairly good that some air will migrate to the HCU. Air that gets trapped in the HCU isn't easy to remove with simple bleeding techniques, so manufacturers have had special routines for many many years now that involve using a scan tool or similar device to run a program that activates the pump and valves as you bleed the system, to help remove that trapped air. The ABS on your car or truck has the same requirement for bleeding, so what Harley has is definitely nothing new or unique.
Folks can do whatever they want I suppose, but my advice is simple: When dealing with safety, do it right, or don't do it at all.
Jerry
Thank you for the explanation Jerry. When they do this procedure then, there is no worry then that they will mess up any settings in the ECM? Doesn't sound like they need to go there? Will all dealers follow this procedure or will some take shortcuts and just attempt to bleed them without the use of a scan tool etc?
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Thank you for the explanation Jerry. When they do this procedure then, there is no worry then that they will mess up any settings in the ECM? Doesn't sound like they need to go there? Will all dealers follow this procedure or will some take shortcuts and just attempt to bleed them without the use of a scan tool etc?
No worry about them messing up your tune or anything else in the ECM. As to whether or not all dealership techs will do it the right way, considering all the horror stories out there about "techs" who have screwed up all sorts of other things due to ignorance or lazyness, I don't know how anyone could assume anything. It would probably be a good idea to mention the ABS and the special bleeding procedure to whomever you deal with, but unless you plan on standing over them while they do the job I don't know how you can ever be totally sure. I would suggest that before you head home you ride around the dealership and surrounding area a bit and thoroughly test the brakes. If the pedal feels softer than before, or travels further before the brake actually becomes effective, take it back immediately and make them do it right. We have already had some folks on the site mention getting their bike back after a switch change and having a soft rear brake, so obviously some techs don't do it right and don't check their work before turning the bike over to the customer.
Jerry
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No worry about them messing up your tune or anything else in the ECM. As to whether or not all dealership techs will do it the right way, considering all the horror stories out there about "techs" who have screwed up all sorts of other things due to ignorance or lazyness, I don't know how anyone could assume anything. It would probably be a good idea to mention the ABS and the special bleeding procedure to whomever you deal with, but unless you plan on standing over them while they do the job I don't know how you can ever be totally sure. I would suggest that before you head home you ride around the dealership and surrounding area a bit and thoroughly test the brakes. If the pedal feels softer than before, or travels further before the brake actually becomes effective, take it back immediately and make them do it right. We have already had some folks on the site mention getting their bike back after a switch change and having a soft rear brake, so obviously some techs don't do it right and don't check their work before turning the bike over to the customer.
Jerry
Thank you. I will question them thoroughly.
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http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-brief/59252-harley-davidson-recalls-300000-motorcycles
Owners are to be notified after Oct 31st
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My back brake went out on top of Mt Evans back in July. Rear brake switch kept the tail light from working and disengaging the cruise too. I stopped at two different HD dealers (MT and SD) to bleed back brakes before I got home to get it replaced. Glad to see the recall.
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Article with a CVO pic.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/10/24/harley-davidson-recalling-over-300-000-motorcycles/
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Just hearing that some models 09-12 are getting recalls for a faulty over heating rear brake light switch. What's the scoop? :nixweiss:
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Just hearing that some models 09-12 are getting recalls for a faulty over heating rear brake light switch. What's the scoop? :nixweiss:
Type "Harley Recall" in the search bar. You'll get ur answer :)
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Type "Harley Recall" in the search bar. You'll get ur answer :)
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Thanks I am a little late to the party. I had my brakes go out on the Blue Ridge Parkway and had to ride 100 miles up n o top of the mountains with no rears brake. Honestly I think it was because I spilled some oil on the switch and when it got hot it melted the unit.
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Thanks I am a little late to the party. I had my brakes go out on the Blue Ridge Parkway and had to ride 100 miles up n o top of the mountains with no rears brake. Honestly I think it was because I spilled some oil on the switch and when it got hot it melted the unit.
Heat probably did melt it, but it had nothing to do with you spilling oil on it. Had a lot more to do with a cheap switch and high exhaust temps.
Funny how Harley claims they haven't had a failure since July 2010, but plenty of folks on just this site alone have reported either brake light failures or actual brake failures due to these switches more recently than 7/2010.
Jerry
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A friend of mine with a 2011 CVO just told me at lunch today that 2009-2011's CVO's have an issue with the brake line cable and tail lights. Evidently, it runs close to the exhaust and can overheat. I haven't read the recall letter yet, just heard the rumor. Has anyone else heard this?
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2009 to2012 not just the cvo's all touring.
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Heat probably did melt it, but it had nothing to do with you spilling oil on it. Had a lot more to do with a cheap switch and high exhaust temps.
Funny how Harley claims they haven't had a failure since July 2010, but plenty of folks on just this site alone have reported either brake light failures or actual brake failures due to these switches more recently than 7/2010.
Jerry
Guess the MOCO doesn't count it as a failure unless someone is killed or wrecks.
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Brad
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Bike in the shop as we speak, getting the switch changed.
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Bike in the shop as we speak, getting the switch changed.
Hey Darth.. you having it done at Seminole? I need to schedule mine but wanted to make sure they got th enew part #s in. Have a good one.
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Hey Darth.. you having it done at Seminole? I need to schedule mine but wanted to make sure they got th enew part #s in. Have a good one.
Yes. Got it done in roughly a couple of hours. I did not want to rush them !!!!! Rather they bleed the brakes well than me bleeding to death on the street :nervous: :nervous:
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When I did mine Seminole had 160
Buddy did his tues and they were down to 80 kits.
You need to get there and they will get it done
takes about 2 hours or two good cigars...
Well one good one average cigar, but still....
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Dealer called on Friday - said the parts were in and set me up for Saturday morning replacement! Second in line when they opened, and an hour later I was back on the road! I also heard from someone that they only received a limited amount of switches - the rest are on backorder...don't know if that's true though. :)
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Simi Valley HD in so. cal ,did me good ,I called them when the news hit bout HD recall they had 5 of the new switchs set one aside for me and got the recall done yesterday and road 400 miles all day ,Marty a cvo member went with and even bought me breakfast ( what a great guy ) simi HD treated me great and Im please with the repair .... this cvo group on this web site is the best in my book ,thanks for keeping us informed with this issue and others ......Harry :cucumber:
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Was at my local dealership yesterday & whilst chatting with another CVO rider the workshop manager came over & informed us of this recall, basically they have not got the switches in yet but he explained the problem with the switch & what to look out for / check before riding. Also said we would be getting a letter from HD with official recall etc. will just arrange myself with dealership to have changeover done when switches are in, don't know how long I'll be waiting for that letter ? :cucumber:
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Paul ,I never got letter i just called the dealership where I shop and they had one set aside for me !!! I just got lucky bro !! takecare ,Harry
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Mine was replaced when it was in the shop for a replacement amp on my SESG. They replaced the switch but now the brakes are very soft. No modulation at all and the pedal almost goes all the way down before they start to brake. I took it back and they re-bled them but its doing the same thing. I'm taking it back tomorrow so they can try again. It may be something I have to get used to but it sure seems like they aren't getting all the air out. I know they used the digital tech both times so not sure what to do next if there are no changes.
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Mine was replaced when it was in the shop for a replacement amp on my SESG. They replaced the switch but now the brakes are very soft. No modulation at all and the pedal almost goes all the way down before they start to brake. I took it back and they re-bled them but its doing the same thing. I'm taking it back tomorrow so they can try again. It may be something I have to get used to but it sure seems like they aren't getting all the air out. I know they used the digital tech both times so not sure what to do next if there are no changes.
Dave, I had the same thing happen ... it was softer and therefore braking didnt engage as soon and with short legs that is unacceptable. Went back my tech was back and when he hooked up with digital tech and there was still air in the lines. Ben did it correctly and they perform as before. Make sure they do it wright and dont accept it for less than what it was previously.
BUCKNUT :2vrolijk_21:
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Mine was replaced when it was in the shop for a replacement amp on my SESG. They replaced the switch but now the brakes are very soft. No modulation at all and the pedal almost goes all the way down before they start to brake. I took it back and they re-bled them but its doing the same thing. I'm taking it back tomorrow so they can try again. It may be something I have to get used to but it sure seems like they aren't getting all the air out. I know they used the digital tech both times so not sure what to do next if there are no changes.
Trust me, it's not something you should just get used to. They are doing something wrong, and they need to figure it out and do it right. It isn't just a case of hooking up the DT, they have to follow the procedure as detailed in the instructions and then verify the repair. And depending on how much air they let get into the system, it may take more than one attempt to get the air out. If they were reputable professionals, they would never give it back to you until it was done right and verified.
If they don't get it right, contact the MoCo and get them involved. This is a safety related recall, and if you have your recall notification letter you will find contact information for both H-D and the NHTSA and a request that you contact them if the dealer doesn't handle the recall satisfactorily. I suggest you do so.
Jerry
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I had one go bad in 63 then in 72 . Harley made me buy both of them. No recalls then. :furious3:
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I thought that the folks who have already paid for rear brake switch repairs might like to have a copy of the reimbursement claim form for their review.
Jerry
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Simi Valley HD in so. cal ,did me good ,I called them when the news hit bout HD recall they had 5 of the new switchs set one aside for me and got the recall done yesterday and road 400 miles all day ,Marty a cvo member went with and even bought me breakfast ( what a great guy ) simi HD treated me great and Im please with the repair .... this cvo group on this web site is the best in my book ,thanks for keeping us informed with this issue and others ......Harry :cucumber:
You're very welcome. Glad it worked out for you and you got it taken care of. I think I know that Marty guy.
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I thought that the folks who have already paid for rear brake switch repairs might like to have a copy of the reimbursement claim form for their review.
Jerry
"All reimbursement in the form of a dealer credit." Mother Harley give you a bar part in the brake circuit and if you were unlucky enough to have to fix it once or twice before they got off the dime you're stuck with a store credit to cash in for new tshirts.
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"All reimbursement in the form of a dealer credit." Mother Harley give you a bar part in the brake circuit and if you were unlucky enough to have to fix it once or twice before they got off the dime you're stuck with a store credit to cash in for new tshirts.
I'm thinking that meant credit to the dealer, not store credit.
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I'm thinking that meant credit to the dealer, not store credit.
You're right. I'm an idiot. Didn't even read the fill-in-the-blanks so didn't notice it was a form from a shop to the MoCo rather than a form from the bike owner to whomever.
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I forgot to mention that; the form is supposed to be filled out by the dealer and signed by the customer, then the dealer is supposed to fax it and the receipt/repair order to Harley. Harley will credit the dealers account I imagine, but how the customer gets his money isn't exactly spelled out. How much you want to bet that some dealers will handle it as a store credit, not a cash refund?
Jerry
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I forgot to mention that; the form is supposed to be filled out by the dealer and signed by the customer, then the dealer is supposed to fax it and the receipt/repair order to Harley. Harley will credit the dealers account I imagine, but how the customer gets his money isn't exactly spelled out. How much you want to bet that some dealers will handle it as a store credit, not a cash refund?
Jerry
You're likely right, Jerry...my response to that would be "Can I pay you with Chickens the next time I need service work done?" Last time I looked, most of the US businesses don't barter for goods/services.
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I got my switch replaced this past Saturday, may be the last ride for awhile, cold front starting to move in.
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I read about the recall on here before I heard it on the news. I called one of my local dealers (my favorite of the two), the service rep said she'd have some switches within a week. I called back 5 days later, she had "several" switches. Took it to her last Friday, she indicated it was +/- 1 hr. I hung around the showroom; sure enough I saw them take it on a test ride just a little more than an hour later. As I was waiting, two local police bikes came in for the same thing; said they had a total of 14 bikes, all recalled.
Everything seems fine; no soft or mushy pedal. Using rear brake only slows it down about the same as before, near as I can tell, altho' not as much as the dual front discs, which is normal.
IMO, it is the heat from the cat causing the damage to the switch. My switch wasn't leaking yet, and brake light still worked with rear brake only, but then again, I only had about 800 miles on the bike when I changed to a Fullsac X-B. Those with bikes that have changed to exhaust systems w/o cats at a low mileage probably won't have any trouble, but should still change to the other switch, regardless.
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...IMO, it is the heat from the cat causing the damage to the switch. My switch wasn't leaking yet, and brake light still worked with rear brake only, but then again, I only had about 800 miles on the bike when I changed to a Fullsac X-B. Those with bikes that have changed to exhaust systems w/o cats at a low mileage probably won't have any trouble, but should still change to the other switch, regardless.
My ’09 has run the stock catless header with Kerker slip-on’s since mile 1. My rear brake light hasn’t worked all year. You don’t need to run a cat for this switch to fail.
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Had mine replaced this afternoon, everything was fine before and everything seems fine now, although the pedal seems a bit softer... :nixweiss:
Mike
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Took my cat off at 5k and lost my switch at 23k. 2 trips to the dealer before they replaced it and then the recall came out. I think they cheaped out on the new smaller pressure switch. JMHO :nixweiss:
Those of you who had the recall done. Can you tell me does the switch look and different and did they add some type of heat shield to it?
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http://msocko.servebbs.com/webpicts/M1310.PDF
Picture of new switch in the recall notice PDF.
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Pic that Grillfish posted from Service Bulletin is accurate.
No heat shield.
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The problem with the old switch is the epoxy used to seal it, with the high temps at the cat, the switch will leak. new version has a higher temp epoxy.
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Got the recall done today at the local dealership. A word of advice:
Check your brakes as soon as you get on the bike!
My dealership is right next to the on ramp for the freeway. Jumped on the bike, got on the freeway, and when I tried to slow down on the off ramp I had about 1/4 to 1/2 of the braking power that I should have had! Luckily I had plenty of room. Turned around and went back to the dealer. They "re-bled" the brakes manually then on the digital tech while I watched. Brakes work fine now. Just once I'd like to go to an HD dealer and have work done right the first time! I guess that's why the only people who work on my bikes is Jim and I...
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Got the recall done today at the local dealership. A word of advice:
Check your brakes as soon as you get on the bike!
My dealership is right next to the on ramp for the freeway. Jumped on the bike, got on the freeway, and when I tried to slow down on the off ramp I had about 1/4 to 1/2 of the braking power that I should have had! Luckily I had plenty of room. Turned around and went back to the dealer. They "re-bled" the brakes manually then on the digital tech while I watched. Brakes work fine now. Just once I'd like to go to an HD dealer and have work done right the first time! I guess that's why the only people who work on my bikes is Jim and I...
I have to bring mine back also,it is not 1/4 to 1/2 as you say but I know dam well it is not right!
I picked mine up at closing time so by the time I noticed it I just babied it home in rush hour traffic.
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Got the recall done today at the local dealership. A word of advice:
Check your brakes as soon as you get on the bike!
My dealership is right next to the on ramp for the freeway. Jumped on the bike, got on the freeway, and when I tried to slow down on the off ramp I had about 1/4 to 1/2 of the braking power that I should have had! Luckily I had plenty of room. Turned around and went back to the dealer. They "re-bled" the brakes manually then on the digital tech while I watched. Brakes work fine now. Just once I'd like to go to an HD dealer and have work done right the first time! I guess that's why the only people who work on my bikes is Jim and I...
Mine was done today.
Everything works fine.
Just like when I rode it in.
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SBB
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Having learned from my other bikes... my Harley Shop can never seem to do it right the first time. I learned to never even leave their parking lot without crawling around and under the bike before getting on, and then testing everything else before getting down the road. This coming April will be the 'only' time my CVO is going to get touched by anyone at my Dealership since delivery, and hopefully the 'last'. On my other bikes, during Regular Scheduled Checkups, they have been returned with parts missing, or not replaced properly causing issues later. Also, seems kinda peculiar that another friend of mine's Clutch suddenly went out when he took his CVO Fat Bob in for the 10,000 checkup... I said "What?" My clutch went out after getting the Wide Glide back from it's 10,000 checkup... same dealership, same technician supervising the work. Never in my 28 years of pure punishment have either of us burned out a clutch and he's been riding nearly twice as long as me. Coincidence :nixweiss:
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Just got mine done today. Was told by the service manager they have 400 bikes on their list that need it . I believe what he meant was this dealer had sold 400 bikes between 09 and now that need it done. It took them about 45 minutes, then they took it for a test ride. All is good. Really can't tell any difference.
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Anyone get their's yet? Or are we just suppose to go in on our own?
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I got the news here, got it done and fixed already. :2vrolijk_21:
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Anyone get their's yet? Or are we just suppose to go in on our own?
Recall is kind of vague......what model(s) and for what?
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Got mine done two days after reading it here. Nothing in the mail.
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Anyone get their's yet? Or are we just suppose to go in on our own?
Since there are many different Harley recalls, which one are you talking about? If its the Touring model brake switch (or any other recall for that matter), you don't need to wait for the actual letter to show up in your mailbox. Contact or ride by your dealer and check with them, they can input your VIN to the system and it will tell them if your bike is included in any recalls. If it is, they can schedule you in for repairs without the recall notice.
Jerry
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If you have registered on the HD web site and put in your motorcycle info, you can see all recalls for your bike.
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I heard about the brake switch recall on this site then went on Harley site like Ernie said and saw it there too! Had it done when I had my 1000 mile servie and Fullsac goodies installed. Going by there in the morning to get it...can't wait, nice forecast in Memphis this weekend! ;D :2vrolijk_21:
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Took my '11 CVO RGU in to Harley Davidson Baton Rouge for it's 1,000 mile service last week. When I picked it up, they had corrected the brake switch recall and I didn't have to ask! I did ask them to check my neck bearing since I was experiencing a slight wobble on deceleration similar to other folks on this site. HDBR found my neck bearing swung 2 1/2 times when 1 time is the correct setting. Problem solved. They corrected the neck bearing torque too! I'm a ten (10) year customer of HDBR and will continue to be because of their friendly and knowledgeable staff and great service! Ride safe!
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Got the recall done today at the local dealership. A word of advice:
Check your brakes as soon as you get on the bike!
My dealership is right next to the on ramp for the freeway. Jumped on the bike, got on the freeway, and when I tried to slow down on the off ramp I had about 1/4 to 1/2 of the braking power that I should have had! Luckily I had plenty of room. Turned around and went back to the dealer. They "re-bled" the brakes manually then on the digital tech while I watched. Brakes work fine now. Just once I'd like to go to an HD dealer and have work done right the first time! I guess that's why the only people who work on my bikes is Jim and I...
Same problem here, the difference being i didn't take it back right away, but waited until today (10 days after the switch was replaced).
I am guessing they re-bled it, the service dept. is concealed behind closed doors with multiple "customers aren't allowed, insurance reasons" signs. The brakes work fine now however they offered no apologies or anything for having to bring it back, just a "see you next time", i told him there better not be a next time.
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Took mine in for the 10,000 mile service with my own oils and stage 1 install did the brakes without asking because I am old and forgot. HDBaton Rouge did me fair. Good people in the service dept,
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Same problem here, the difference being i didn't take it back right away, but waited until today (10 days after the switch was replaced).
I am guessing they re-bled it, the service dept. is concealed behind closed doors with multiple "customers aren't allowed, insurance reasons" signs. The brakes work fine now however they offered no apologies or anything for having to bring it back, just a "see you next time", i told him there better not be a next time.
[/quote read the rcall.
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Have heard or seen nothing from my dealer (Big St. Charles HD).
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Have heard or seen nothing from my dealer (Big St. Charles HD).
It's brakes and brake warning lights. Don't wait for someone else to make sure your ass is safe. Call them.
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Just a heads up for people that still need this new switch replacement. Make sure that your dealer bleeds the rear brake properly. I believe as in my case that some techs think they are extremly quick in removing the old switch and installing the new one without getting any air in the rear brake system. This is a case of cutting corners on labor and can come back and bite one of the dealers if they don't do it right the first time. Please make sure your rear brake is working properly when you leave the dealer. DB
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X2. Just had mine done and you have to try and push the brake pedal through the crash bar to get the rear brake to work.
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X2. Just had mine done and you have to try and push the brake pedal through the crash bar to get the rear brake to work.
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South of Chicago. Ran through the intersection! Went back to the dealership and the "factory-trained" tech said he never worked on ABS brakes before!
I gave him a little "pep talk" and suggested he re-train into sales!
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I didn't see where this was posted elsewhere on the site and thought this would be of interest to the group as a whole:
http://www.ajc.com/business/harley-davidson-recalls-300-1208881.html#.Tq2_2WwT9AE.email
It appears the recall notices were to start going out at the end of October. My dealership was unaware of this as of yesterday (Nov 6, 2011).
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It is amazing to me that dealers are allowing bikes to leave the dealership after opening the braking system and not TESTING the brakes to make absolutely sure they are working as they are supposed to. Somebody is going to get hurt before this thing is over with. :nervous:
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Had mine 1st one replaced back in Aug. They put on the new rounded one over the weekend. I'll be taking it back to bleed the brakes again. One pump and the lever goes down half way. Second pump and the brake feels much better.
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It is amazing to me that dealers are allowing bikes to leave the dealership after opening the braking system and not TESTING the brakes to make absolutely sure they are working as they are supposed to. Somebody is going to get hurt before this thing is over with. :nervous:
TC, of course you're right, any shop that sends a vehicle out after doing brake work and not noticing the brakes aren't working as they should be has made a ridiculously incompetent mistake. However.....
We've got guys here saying they took the bike with them and are planning to take it back to the shop to get it fixed. That may not be moto-masochism. But it's every bit as dumb.
If you felt a soft brake pedal when picking something up after brake service the first turn you make should be right back to the service counter to demand they finish the task before you leave. If you actually pull off the lot like that the dealer isn't the only one in this equation with issues.
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It is amazing to me that dealers are allowing bikes to leave the dealership after opening the braking system and not TESTING the brakes to make absolutely sure they are working as they are supposed to. Somebody is going to get hurt before this thing is over with. :nervous:
It's amazing, but definitely not surprising considering the quality of the average Harley shop. Of course, I find it just as amazing that people ride away from the dealership after brake service without thoroughly checking the operation of the brakes themselves, especially after all the information that's been posted here about the importance of doing so. There should be no need to return the bike another day to have the brakes bled again; don't accept the bike until they do it right on the first trip. The dealers should definitely be checking the work before returning the bikes to customers, but customers also need to look out for their own safety. At least leave information with the next of kin so they can sue the bastards if you don't survive this simple recall.
Jerry
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TC, of course you're right, any shop that sends a vehicle out after doing brake work and not noticing the brakes aren't working as they should be has made a ridiculously incompetent mistake. However.....
We've got guys here saying they took the bike with them and are planning to take it back to the shop to get it fixed. That may not be moto-masochism. But it's every bit as dumb.
If you felt a soft brake pedal when picking something up after brake service the first turn you make should be right back to the service counter to demand they finish the task before you leave. If you actually pull off the lot like that the dealer isn't the only one in this equation with issues.
I'll guarantee that my first application of the rear brake (and front, for that matter) will be well before I get off the dealers parking lot, not only to ensure there's no air in the lines, but also to make sure the ABS is still functioning properly by making a few runs in their lot. Fortunatly, my dealer has a very large lot, so that's easy to do...they teach riding lessons there for newbies. I think folks assume (and reasonably so) that any given dealer is going to do something as critical as brakes right the first time, but you know what they say about ASS-U-ME, and I don't assume chit with a HD dealer. I literally dread taking my bike to the dealer if it has to go there. I'd sit on the tech's shoulder if they'd let me, and I use the word "tech" loosely. No offense to anyone here who is actually a GOOD HD technician, and I know there are some. In the larger picture, skilled trades are quickly becoming a lost art, IMO. Nobody seems to take pride in their work any longer. I was an HVAC tech for over 18 years, with the latter years being mostly systems controls, and nothing made me feel better than to know when I got done with a job, it was working at 100% of the capability of the system. I often wish I'd never gotten "promoted" out of that field. Rant over... :soapbox:
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I'm number 70! on the list....at the nearest "facility". :P
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I'm just glad that it is the rear brake and not the front brake(s). While I want 100% of my braking ability 100% of the time if god forbid anything should happen please let it be the rear. I can haul that baby down pretty well with just the front - but just the rear, no way.
And I agree totally that any shop that does not test the system out after opening it up is incompetent or lazy or probably both. In any case the advice to check it out yourself immediately upon leaving the shop is spot on. :2vrolijk_21:
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'It's no wonder that they don't let them rebuild calipers. Pathetic.
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Brought my '09 SEUC to dealer to replace a defective rear brake switch on Oct 17. Replaced with old part # 72023-51D. Did not pick up bike since service dept. was awaiting delivery of replacement heated grips (4th set!!). Recall was announced Oct 21, so I keep bike at dealer until they received their shipment of the new switches, #72016-06A. Since I don't have a Digital Tech II sitting in my garage to properly bleed the brakes, I had them flush and replace ALL the brake fluid, front and rear while installing the new switch. When picking up the bike, I asked the mechanic about the condition of the original fluids, "Front circuits fluid looked fine, rear was pretty dirty"said he. Gunk from the old switch perhaps ??
They road tested bike before releasing to me, brakes worked fine.
We are talking about brakes on a motorcycle. Replacement MUST be done properly, no options or shortcuts!
Tom P.
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just to keep you informed: the recall was officially listed with NHTSA October 22 and is all over the press since October 24.
Today is November 09 - no recall notice for European owners, no replacement parts either ...
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no parts available here
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Just went to my dealer here in OZ for the compensator changeover and he had a load of the new switches arrive the previous day so they fitted it at the same time. The tech thought the construction of the old switch had sharp edges which were cutting the wires ??!! Thanks for all the info guys.
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Just went to my dealer here in OZ for the compensator changeover and he had a load of the new switches arrive the previous day so they fitted it at the same time. The tech thought the construction of the old switch had sharp edges which were cutting the wires ??!! Thanks for all the info guys.
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That's was a good joke! :2vrolijk_21:
That was a joke, wasn't it? ???
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At least I'm happy to see that the USA isn't the only place where the Harley "techs" are ill informed and like to make it up as they go. Or was that guy in OZ a transplant from the USA?
btw, I believe I read somewhere in the bulletin or letter Harley sent to the dealers that the rounded edges were only meant to be a simple and easy way to identify the new versus old switches. Maybe if the dealership folks actually read the info the MoCo puts out they could answer customer questions without all the BS. But of course, if they all actually did that and performed their jobs professionally, folks like us wouldn't be able to have so much fun talking about them.
Jerry
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Getting mine replaced Saturday. Called service department today and they said they had 10 left from the lastest batch. I asked if I got there 1st thing Sat. am could they repair while I wait. He made a RO and said he would hold a switch for me. Now if they can perform the service recall without having to repair something that they screwed up I will be a happy camper!
**UPDATE** I was a little later getting started to the local stealer this morning, main reason because it was 35 degrees. Dug out leather coat, stealer is less than 10 miles from home so just turned on the grips and seat. I think I arrived around 9:45am. Hung out and looked at the bikes, no new CVO's only two used ones. Saw a 2012 Street Glide in Tequila Sunrise and Harley Orange that I think momma, (wife) would like and look good on! Next thing I know SM walks up and says your bike is outside and ready whenever you are. With the bike outside in the daylight I did find a black boot scuff mark on the exhaust pipe but I didn't say anything to them because I am not 100% certain that it was not on there before. I will clean it after while when it cools off. Oh yeah had a free hotdog for breakfast, was ready to leave about 11:00am. I circled the parking lot brake seemed fine. Since it had warmed up I took the backroads to Benton, Tenn. to check out shooting supply store. I tried a semi panic stop with rear brake only from about 50mph. All is well. Probably not many nice weather days left, so I enjoyed riding solo today. (BSR took her mother shopping and then they were going to a baby shower). I hope the credit card has not melted.lol
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Took a ride to my dealer yesterday and got switch replaced.. During the week is better for my area...
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Got the switch replaced on the SESG3 last Friday while I had it in for its 1K service. Will have to take the SERGU in next to get it done.
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Just a heads up for people that still need this new switch replacement. Make sure that your dealer bleeds the rear brake properly. I believe as in my case that some techs think they are extremly quick in removing the old switch and installing the new one without getting any air in the rear brake system. This is a case of cutting corners on labor and can come back and bite one of the dealers if they don't do it right the first time. Please make sure your rear brake is working properly when you leave the dealer. DB
My switch was replaced on wednesday and it took a few hours because they had to wait for the pipes to cool down. I got bored waiting around so I walked back into the shop just in time to watch the final steps. I realized the install wasn't a simple process when I saw the bike hooked up to a laptop. Before any brake fluid was added, he pushed the pedal down hard several times until some weird chattering noises stopped. He then bled the line, filled up the rezervoir and took it for a test ride.
What I thought was above and beyond service is when he dropped my clean bike off at the washbay to have any excess brake fluid sprayed off and get the bike washed before my ride home.
My service request was made a few hours before I pulled into the shop. As usual, Ron and Bryan at Zepka Harley went out of their way to accommodate my schedule so here's another thumbs up for their service department...
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I am runing the D@D 2 into 1 pipe and see no reason to change my switch it looks perfect and preforms perfect ... wonder what the MOCO will say......
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I am runing the D@D 2 into 1 pipe and see no reason to change my switch it looks perfect and preforms perfect ... wonder what the MOCO will say......
Well Skippy,first I will say are you serious? If not, then good joke I think we all know what the MOCO would say..."they all do that, tuff chit."
If you are serious, then 1st, it's free! SAFTY Recall. 2nd, If you don't have a "Touring Bike" it does not apply to you. 3rd, mine was fine but had it changed anyway. 4th, my buddy had brakes but no brake lights. I see no reason to not change your switch...
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My friend told me last night that a guy he works with lost his rear brake on a 2009 a few months ago. His warranty was up and at that time, nobody knew of any problems so he had to pay for the switch and the labor to replace it. His dealer told him they're going to reimburse him for all the costs.
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Well Skippy,first I will say are serious? If not, then good joke I think we all know what the MOCO would say..."they all do that, tuff chit."
If you are serious, then 1st, it's free! SAFTY Recall. 2nd, If you don't have a "Touring Bike" it does not apply to you. 3rd, mine was fine but had it changed anyway. 4th, my buddy had brakes but no brake lights. I see no reason to not change your switch...
Can you imagine the interrogatories someday after an incident of brake failure (related or not) when you rode in to something or someone? Probably start:
"Sir, you had the opportunity in the recent past for a free service of your brakes and chose not to accept that work done by the manufacturer that was Federally stipulated. Can you explain why you declined to do that service?"
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I am runing the D@D 2 into 1 pipe and see no reason to change my switch it looks perfect and preforms perfect ... wonder what the MOCO will say......
Do you really think anyone at the "MoCo" really cares if you had your recall performed? You are just one of several hundred thousand, so trust me, they don't have time to sit up nights wondering why skippy didn't have his recall performed. They will meet the letter of the law and send you a recall notice, then after a certain period of time when your VIN doesn't show up in the completed recall list they will send a followup letter to remind you. This can go on for years, but it doesn't mean they care, it means they have an automated system in place that fires off those letters at set intervals. If it wasn't mandated by the NHTSA, most of this stuff would be swept under the rug in some corporate office in Milwaukee, just like all those other defects they never acknowledge.
Be smart, have the recall performed. Maybe it would never fail for you, but when you sell that bike to the next guy and he doesn't like your choice of pipe so he goes with a cross under style, maybe it will save him some grief.
Jerry
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Anyone get a MOCO letter about a brake light switch malfunction/replacement.
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You might want to check out this thread:
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=67853.0
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Yeah mine came in the mail today. My wife called to let me know that i recieved it! So called Ft. Worth Harley, they have the new switches. Going in on November 26th to get mine replaced.
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Thanks erniezap...just got my letter yesterday.
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Anyone get a MOCO letter about a brake light switch malfunction/replacement.
Yeah. I read about it here first though. Got the letter yesterday. Had the brakelight switch replaced last friday.
Make sure and check your rear brake before you ride off. I went once around the parking lot and right back to service alley so they could bleed the rear brake.
It was like stepping on a rotten tomato.
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Just got mine yesterday. I thought they sent them rather late after making the announcement.
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the MoCo advised you of the recall so they are out of any liability - it's entirely your problem from now on if anything happens ...
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I had the switch replaced a couple of weeks ago but still haven't received the notice in the mail yet :nixweiss:
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The dealer said that if the bike is in for any service the will do the recall ... I plan on having it changed next week ....
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Got mine yesterday, I'll make an appointment...................................Fuzz
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The switch will fail. It may stay on or it will not work. just get it fixxed. skippy. axil
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Not gotten the letter, had mine replaced last Sat. When I called on the Thursday before to check if they still had some new switches, the service manager told me he could not advise that it would be safe to even ride the bike to the dealership. I said I was less than 10 miles from the dealership and since I did not own a trailer or a truck to pull it with that I would just carefully ride it over Sat. morning. So they are covering there azz's.
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2011 Roadglide Ultra, have not received notice either, nor have I had the brake switch changed either.
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Just received my notice last week! I guess it takes a while to lick 300,000 stamps. :P
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Just received my notice last week! I guess it takes a while to lick 300,000 stamps. :P
I think management eliminated the mail room crew back when they screwed over the folks working in the plants. So the mail will be a little slow until the new Chinese subcontractor gets up to speed on the printing and stamp licking operation. Please be patient.
Jerry
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I think management eliminated the mail room crew back when they screwed over the folks working in the plants. So the mail will be a little slow until the new Chinese subcontractor gets up to speed on the printing and stamp licking operation. Please be patient.
Jerry
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I got my rear brake light switch recall letter so I took the bike in yesterday and had it swapped out. My local dealer Simi Valley HD did the swap out in about 40 minutes while I waited. They bled the rear brakes in the standard fashion, then they had to hook my bike up to a computer to calibrate (at least I think that is what they did) the ABS. I was standing there at the time so I told my mechanic that I had a TTS mastertune remap, but he said don't worry because what he was doing would have no effect on my fuel map. On the way home the bike ran fine so I guess he was right. Just throwing this out there for those of you who have not had the recall done. I asked if I could have the switch they took off, but they said they were required to keep it as per HD.CAHDBIKER
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Had mine done yesterday, Dealer said they had plenty of new switches and bring it in any time before closing. If I ride it in it will take approx 40 Min's so their techs don't burn their fingers!! If I trailer it in 15 Min's to replace the switch! I was in and out in 1 hour! But there were at least six people that I talked to while I was there that was having the switch recall done also,
Question??? Since the recall is do to the switch melting due to the new exhaust configuration, probable due to the cat, Mine is catless, did any of the failures of the members on this site still have cats that may have caused the failed part? I would just imagine the the factory was using the same part on 08 and older bikes!
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SEUC '09, No cat, TTS. I did a 12 day trip in the 4 corner states this summer and rode in temps as high as 106 deg. Switch did not fail during that trip.
Switch DID fail while traveling down to the CVO GTG in Maggie Valley in Sept. Was riding in the rain and the ABS did kick in a few times, mostly rear brake.
Switch has been replaced. Had all brake fluid flushed and bled while being serviced. Front circuit fluid look fine, rear fluid was quite dirty.
Tom P.
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This may help keep your new switch from future damage. I have installed a few now (most of my buddies with 09 and newer touring bikes). All seem to like it.
pretty easy to install. have to drill one hole in bracket. no big deal. nice (secure) fit. does not flop around like a few others I have seen with one bolt and ziptie at top.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280779930174&category=35557&_trksid=p5197.c0.m619
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the German dealers now got the new swiches too - minor delay ::)
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This may help keep your new switch from future damage. I have installed a few now (most of my buddies with 09 and newer touring bikes). All seem to like it.
pretty easy to install. have to drill one hole in bracket. no big deal. nice (secure) fit. does not flop around like a few others I have seen with one bolt and ziptie at top.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280779930174&category=35557&_trksid=p5197.c0.m619
I noticed your only two posts on the site are an attempt to sell this shield. You wouldn't happen to be the guy on ebay selling them, would you?
btw, IMHO this is just another unnecessary item meant to capitalize on a problem that is already being addressed at it's source. At least they aren't trying to make a fortune on each one, like some folks (including Harley) often do when offering accessories to fix Harley's shortcomings. Of course, if they truly understood the market they would have chrome plated the thing if they really wanted to sell a bunch of them to this crowd.
Jerry
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I noticed your only two posts on the site are an attempt to sell this shield. You wouldn't happen to be the guy on ebay selling them, would you?
eBay listing shows Utah as the source (though that doesn't always mean much). Wonder if a Moderator would share if this gent's IP had him in that vicinity?
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His IP is North Carolina
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His IP is North Carolina
Thanks Ernie.
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I noticed your only two posts on the site are an attempt to sell this shield. You wouldn't happen to be the guy on ebay selling them, would you?
btw, IMHO this is just another unnecessary item meant to capitalize on a problem that is already being addressed at it's source. At least they aren't trying to make a fortune on each one, like some folks (including Harley) often do when offering accessories to fix Harley's shortcomings. Of course, if they truly understood the market they would have chrome plated the thing if they really wanted to sell a bunch of them to this crowd.
Jerry
My thoughts exactly.
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I noticed your only two posts on the site are an attempt to sell this shield. You wouldn't happen to be the guy on ebay selling them, would you?
btw, IMHO this is just another unnecessary item meant to capitalize on a problem that is already being addressed at it's source. At least they aren't trying to make a fortune on each one, like some folks (including Harley) often do when offering accessories to fix Harley's shortcomings. Of course, if they truly understood the market they would have chrome plated the thing if they really wanted to sell a bunch of them to this crowd.
Jerry
Atta boy Jerry, I had been wondering who would be the first to "question" the shield! I didn't fall for that one...thank goodness they didn't chrome it!
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Well Had new sending unit but on today for recall, got down the road from shop brake petal was soft and haven to push down a little more on brake petal to stop, went back to shop bleed brakes again and but elect.hook up on ads to work brakes , they said most of the bikes were doing the same as mine having to push brake petal more, Did not help any after they service it , no soft petal now but still have to push down a little more to stop?????
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Well Had new sending unit but on today for recall, got down the road from shop brake petal was soft and haven to push down a little more on brake petal to stop, went back to shop bleed brakes again and but elect.hook up on ads to work brakes , they said most of the bikes were doing the same as mine having to push brake petal more, Did not help any after they service it , no soft petal now but still have to push down a little more to stop?????
"they said most of the bikes were doing the same as yours..." I call dealer BS! You may need to find a shop that knows what they are doing. Had my recall done in Oct. pedal requires NO extra effort to stop, pedal, brakes everything still feels like it did before switch was replaced. IMO
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Well Had new sending unit but on today for recall, got down the road from shop brake petal was soft and haven to push down a little more on brake petal to stop, went back to shop bleed brakes again and but elect.hook up on ads to work brakes , they said most of the bikes were doing the same as mine having to push brake petal more, Did not help any after they service it , no soft petal now but still have to push down a little more to stop?????
I assume this is the same shop that was feeding you BS about your engine, and this comment is just as stupid as the ones they gave you on the engine problems. There is absolutely no reason, if they did the switch replacement and the bleeding of the system properly, for you to have any difference in brake pedal travel or feel whatsoever. The switch itself will not affect pedal travel or brake operation. You really need to try to find an honest and competent shop to do your work.
Jerry
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Sould the Moco be contacting all of us rather than us having to be proactive? I'm greatful for the updates from all you guys but am really disappointed
that to date the Moco has not notified me at all. Shame on them! Going this weekend to get it taken care of and plan on loosing those pesky wheel balancing weights in fovor of Dyna Beads :2vrolijk_21:
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Sould the Moco be contacting all of us rather than us having to be proactive?
H-D evidently considers this recall not to be critical - IMHO correctly, as only one single case is reported in which the part may or may even not have been the cause of some very minor damage. And it was all over the press worldwide for several days. Over here in Germany almost every selfrespecting paper had it as a headline ::)
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Sould the Moco be contacting all of us rather than us having to be proactive? I'm greatful for the updates from all you guys but am really disappointed
that to date the Moco has not notified me at all. Shame on them! Going this weekend to get it taken care of and plan on loosing those pesky wheel balancing weights in fovor of Dyna Beads :2vrolijk_21:
I got a letter in the mail, but not until recently.
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Going to get mine replaced tomorrow-called Javelina HD. They will confirm my VIN and have the part on hand. After that I'll be off to get rid of those wheel weights and have dyna beads installed ;D
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Well Had new sending unit but on today for recall, got down the road from shop brake petal was soft and haven to push down a little more on brake petal to stop, went back to shop bleed brakes again and but elect.hook up on ads to work brakes , they said most of the bikes were doing the same as mine having to push brake petal more, Did not help any after they service it , no soft petal now but still have to push down a little more to stop?????
Had mine done no difference in peddle pressure
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I assume this is the same shop that was feeding you BS about your engine, and this comment is just as stupid as the ones they gave you on the engine problems. There is absolutely no reason, if they did the switch replacement and the bleeding of the system properly, for you to have any difference in brake pedal travel or feel whatsoever. The switch itself will not affect pedal travel or brake operation. You really need to try to find an honest and competent shop to do your work.
Jerry
I don't know.. I took mine for a spin around the parking lot and right back to the service bay because the brake was mushy. The service writer told me that they hook up some kinda machine to it to do the bleeding. Didn't understand why it wouldn't be right.
I don't have a lot of faith in the dealer when it comes to the work they do, but I don't think he was bullsh*tting me when he said that the mechanic did bleed 'em when he changed the switch. I wonder if the problem might be with the gadget they use for bleeding.
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I don't know.. I took mine for a spin around the parking lot and right back to the service bay because the brake was mushy. The service writer told me that they hook up some kinda machine to it to do the bleeding. Didn't understand why it wouldn't be right.
I don't have a lot of faith in the dealer when it comes to the work they do, but I don't think he was bullsh*tting me when he said that the mechanic did bleed 'em when he changed the switch. I wonder if the problem might be with the gadget they use for bleeding.
No, the problem is the guy operating the tools. The "gadget" they use is the Digital Technician, and all it does is run a program to cycle the ABS pump and valves to help move the air out of the ABS system to where it can be removed by the guy with the wrenches. The problem is most likely related to not following the procedure strictly as outlined by the DT, or not having enough patience to take the time necessary to do it right. It often takes more than one "quicky" attempt to get it right. We're talking about a major safety system here, and a true professional would never just half-azz it and then hand it off to a customer before making sure it was right.
Jerry
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No, the problem is the guy operating the tools. The "gadget" they use is the Digital Technician, and all it does is run a program to cycle the ABS pump and valves to help move the air out of the ABS system to where it can be removed by the guy with the wrenches. The problem is most likely related to not following the procedure strictly as outlined by the DT, or not having enough patience to take the time necessary to do it right. It often takes more than one "quicky" attempt to get it right. We're talking about a major safety system here, and a true professional would never just half-azz it and then hand it off to a customer before making sure it was right.
Jerry
Cool, appreciate the insight.
I've only ever done it the old fashioned way. Still a little bit leery of newfangled gadgets.
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Take bike in for a Harley recall on Brake switch, At H-D 's expense, but the ABS ECU after bleeding line will not reset< they say i need a new ABS unit for $499.00, good news my ESP will cover it, but i bought the bike used last summer in July and did not know i had the coverage.Nobody said anything about it.HD shop says call underwriting & get the policy transferred to my name.HD shop says the bike is covered and they are looking at it on the computer.Underwriting says no record of previous owner coverage plus if i didn't transfer the policy in the first 30 days from sale out of luck { Weasels}No record that policy was cashed out.Hd shop is going to follow up on it for me.If the the policy coverage is paid for and not cashed out, whats it matter if it was 30,60, or 180 days?Its paid for"
Second if policy is no good and i had no problem with brake switch or ABS before going in to shop for recall,would HD be responsible for ABS unit because it was their faulty brake switch to begin with? Need advice and thanks in advance.
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Called my local stealer about the recall. They said they had part in stock. I then told them my brakes were working fine and I did not want a suprise on the bill. Was told they could not guarantee not finding another problem :nixweiss: ? :nixweiss:. Sounds like a scam to me!!!
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Called my local stealer about the recall. They said they had part in stock. I then told them my brakes were working fine and I did not want a suprise on the bill. Was told they could not guarantee not finding another problem :nixweiss: ? :nixweiss:. Sounds like a scam to me!!!
Write it down on the work order that you only authorize them to perform the recall and no other work. Btw, the recall includes doing a proper bleeding of the ABS system. Test your brakes in their lot before leaving; if spongy make them bleed it again and this time do it right. Hopefull all Harley shops by now understand they have to use the DT and follow the ABS bleeding procedure, but every once in awhile I keep seeing comments that say otherwise.
You do have legal rights with a safety recall such as this one. Read the notice you received, there should be a paragraph or two explaining your rights and giving you a phone number not only for Harley but also for NHTSA.
Jerry
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Write it down on the work order that you only authorize them to perform the recall and no other work. Btw, the recall includes doing a proper bleeding of the ABS system. Test your brakes in their lot before leaving; if spongy make them bleed it again and this time do it right. Hopefull all Harley shops by now understand they have to use the DT and follow the ABS bleeding procedure, but every once in awhile I keep seeing comments that say otherwise.
You do have legal rights with a safety recall such as this one. Read the notice you received, there should be a paragraph or two explaining your rights and giving you a phone number not only for Harley but also for NHTSA.
Jerry
Jerry.....excellent advise and info as always, could you please define the DT. ?
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Jerry.....excellent advise and info as always, could you please define the DT. ?
Not Jerry.. but I believe "DT" is "Digital Technician" (electronic machine dealer/MoCo can use to hook to your bike for repair/diagnostic)
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Fired00d
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Thx Gary ! :pumpkin:
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Thx Gary ! :pumpkin:
You're welcome (hope that's what it is). :2vrolijk_21:
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Fired00d
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You're welcome (hope that's what it is). :2vrolijk_21:
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Yup, DT = Digital Technician.
Jerry
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Yup, DT = Digital Technician.
Jerry
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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I took my 2010 FLHTCU into the shop for the recall and ended up with oil puddles all over my garage. They loosened the mount/bolts on the tranny side door, and never tightened them back down. Figured out where it was leaking and tightened them back up. The two bolts took almost a full turn each.
The few times that I have taken any of my bikes, over the years, to a dealership (several states and dealerships), it always came back with another problem. I try to do my own work when possible, to avoid someone getting their greasy little paws on it then claim "we didn't do that" when it's broke after their "fix".