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[workingdan]

Hey guys, looking for some opinions for  my 13 SEultra. I am getting ready to do exhaust and may consider head gasket and a cam swap. I want the bike to make power down low as I am usually riding 2 up. I also dont want it to be to loud. So whats your thoughts?

[HILLSIDECYCLE.COM]

Hey guys, looking for some opinions for  my 13 SEultra. I am getting ready to do exhaust and may consider head gasket and a cam swap. I want the bike to make power down low as I am usually riding 2 up. I also dont want it to be to loud. So whats your thoughts?

Zippers tbw air filter kit.
Supertrapp = quiet power.
Pull the heads cc/surface w/.030" gasket for the needs of the cam.
Install a Wood 555 or 777.
Tune it and smile.
Scott

[geezerglide]

Supertrapp = quiet power.

Tune it and smile.
Scott

Re Supertrapps, 2:1 Meg or Supertrapp 2 mufflers?

Thanks,

geezerglide

[guppytrash]

I have Woods TW7H cams with S&S stop limit lifters. 
Really happy with the results.
Fuel Moto has the dyno chart for these in a 110.

[HILLSIDECYCLE.COM]

Re Supertrapps, 2:1 Meg or Supertrapp 2 mufflers?

Thanks,

geezerglide

A 2/1 would be the best, but the slip-ons are very good as well.
Scott

[prodrag1320]

we use alot of the slip-ons (have them on my personal bike),they work very well for guys that dont like the look of a 2-1

[jcraig147]

Hey guys, looking for some opinions for  my 13 SEultra. I am getting ready to do exhaust and may consider head gasket and a cam swap. I want the bike to make power down low as I am usually riding 2 up. I also dont want it to be to loud. So whats your thoughts?

If you havent looked at the Fullsac Stage 1 and 2, then I would recommend you do. 

Joe

[Kingspoke]

Zippers tbw air filter kit.
Supertrapp = quiet power.
Pull the heads cc/surface w/.030" gasket for the needs of the cam.
Install a Wood 555 or 777.
Tune it and smile.
Scott

Not hijack this thread but I just bought the 12 model and was curious about the 555 vs 777 applications.

Questions:
1) Isn't the SE A/C on the Ultra a hi flow A/C (though a paper element)?
2) Given your suggestions what would be the likely compression ratio? &
3) 555 vs 777 where might one perform better vs the other.

Just asking because I'm in the same stage as the OP, though I ride 90% solo.

[Supershooter]

I'm also interested in what type of results you are seeing after the head work and the new cams? i'm also looking for the next step after intake, exhaust, and tuner.
Supershooter

[HD Street Performance]

As far as head work the compression bump does more for them with short torque cams. Go up in duration and move to "hot rod" and the picture changes plus the need for a larger TB added compression and a strong performing pipe become critical.

[HILLSIDECYCLE.COM]

Not hijack this thread but I just bought the 12 model and was curious about the 555 vs 777 applications.

Questions:
1) Isn't the SE A/C on the Ultra a hi flow A/C (though a paper element)?
2) Given your suggestions what would be the likely compression ratio? &
3) 555 vs 777 where might one perform better vs the other.

Just asking because I'm in the same stage as the OP, though I ride 90% solo.

I stand corrected on the air cleaner.
www.joescyclerepair.com, has an element/kit manufactered for the Ventilator's, that is 2 times as thick as the OE.
If your headed into it, the 777 would be a great choice, set @ 10.4 cr.
Scott

[Lever]

thanks for the info Scott on air filter 

[HILLSIDECYCLE.COM]

You bet.
Scott

[Kingspoke]

I stand corrected on the air cleaner.
www.joescyclerepair.com, has an element/kit manufactered for the Ventilator's, that is 2 times as thick as the OE.
If your headed into it, the 777 would be a great choice, set @ 10.4 cr.
Scott

Thanks for the info!  Yeah that 10.4 CR makes me reluctant with the octane necessary to avoid the dreaded pinging .  I'm not sure that part can be tuned out.

Any suggestions for a cam that will do with a lower compression, yet provides significant improvement over the stock 255's?

[prodrag1320]

we`ve ran S&S .583`s`s @ 9.8-1 with very good results

[Lever]

fwi I'm running 10.5 compression very little pinging ..its all about the total package ..cam, head work,fuel system  .ccp and most of all  a good tuner ...  you can have the best of the best however the person behind  the tuner lets say is less then par your gonna end up with a so so  results

[Kingspoke]

we`ve ran S&S .583`s`s @ 9.8-1 with very good results

Thankyou! I'll look into that!

[HILLSIDECYCLE.COM]

Thanks for the info!  Yeah that 10.4 CR makes me reluctant with the octane necessary to avoid the dreaded pinging .  I'm not sure that part can be tuned out.

Any suggestions for a cam that will do with a lower compression, yet provides significant improvement over the stock 255's?

Set at 10.2 won't kill it, and will actually carry less ccp,(as will 10.4) than the OE 255 school-bus cam, and dump heat much better as well.
Scott

[Kingspoke]

Thanks Scott!

[hbens]

Scott,
This is good info. I too am building my motor up in a couple of months.
I already have the SE 10.5 pistons. I haven't decided on the cam yet; either the SE259 or Woods 777. I'm leaning much further to the 777.
I have a Power Vision tuner with Autotune, Dragula 2 into 1 exhaust and replaced the air filter with a K&N drop in unit.
I should just order the install kit for the 777 from FuelMoto and be done with it. It comes with the adjustable push rods, gaskets and bearings kit.
And the thinner head gasket. Are there anymore parts that are 'must have' that I am missing?
That is all I plan to do to the insides.

[HD Street Performance]

I prefer a little less compression and then the timing can be added or subtracted as needed.
We hear a lot about "optimal" compression, a little short of that is safer and allows for that occasional single spout  fill up when the last guy got 87 or the stations that all they have is 89. It happens!

[HD Street Performance]

Scott,
This is good info. I too am building my motor up in a couple of months.
I already have the SE 10.5 pistons. I haven't decided on the cam yet; either the SE259 or Woods 777. I'm leaning much further to the 777.
I have a Power Vision tuner with Autotune, Dragula 2 into 1 exhaust and replaced the air filter with a K&N drop in unit.
I should just order the install kit for the 777 from FuelMoto and be done with it. It comes with the adjustable push rods, gaskets and bearings kit.
And the thinner head gasket. Are there anymore parts that are 'must have' that I am missing?
That is all I plan to do to the insides.

Your plan is sound and there will not be a big difference between either of those cams.
No need to touch the heads but I suggest a .030 MLS head gasket and a set of Gaterman lifters

[prodrag1320]

fwi I'm running 10.5 compression very little pinging ..its all about the total package ..cam, head work,fuel system  .ccp and most of all  a good tuner ...  you can have the best of the best however the person behind  the tuner lets say is less then par your gonna end up with a so so  results

"very little pinging" is still not good & will do engine damage

[Lever]

your right let me rephrase  only ping when air temps where above mid 90's ... we had alot of unusual hot weather this year which I'm sure so has everybody else

[jr1000yarder]

Just finished my build. Didn't pick her up yet because the suspension work is being done tomorrow. Got 105 hp and 120 torque on the Dyno. Did .030 head gasket which gave me 10 to 1 compression, tts mastertune, Fullsac Xpipe "c", Andrews 57 cam, and CFR slipons. I will post they Dyno sheet on Thursday when I get it. Can't wait to ride her. Dave said she's a beast!!

[prodrag1320]

I prefer a little less compression and then the timing can be added or subtracted as needed.
We hear a lot about "optimal" compression, a little short of that is safer and allows for that occasional single spout  fill up when the last guy got 87 or the stations that all they have is 89. It happens!

i agree,keep it under 10.0-1 if you plan on actully touring on it

[HILLSIDECYCLE.COM]

Although, S&S 124"ers/.640 cam, crates, or SSP kits, are set at 10.8 from them.
All depends on the cam being used, and the intended purpose.
Scott

[SE113]

Just finished my build. Didn't pick her up yet because the suspension work is being done tomorrow. Got 105 hp and 120 torque on the Dyno. Did .030 head gasket which gave me 10 to 1 compression, tts mastertune, Fullsac Xpipe "c", Andrews 57 cam, and CFR slipons. I will post they Dyno sheet on Thursday when I get it. Can't wait to ride her. Dave said she's a beast!!

i hope you done more than just a .030 head gasket to get 10 to 1 compression.  I done the Tman stage 2 head work done with .060 milled and the .030 head gasket and only have a true 9.9 compression.

[hbens]

Well I pulled the trigger and ordered my parts.
777 Woods cam and lifters; .030 head gasket; Fuelmoto adjustable push rods and their cam install kit. I should have these next week. I already bought the SE 10.5:1 pistons.
I'll post all the good details when I do the install in a while. It could be a couple of months before I do the work though.