Post by: michaelokielee@yahoo.com on July 08, 2020, 02:24:53 PM
Post by: GregKhougaz on July 08, 2020, 02:30:54 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on July 09, 2020, 06:36:02 AM
Post by: grc on July 09, 2020, 08:44:46 AM
A bigger question is, will Harley still exist in it's current form a year from now?
Jerry
Post by: iski on July 09, 2020, 10:33:19 AM
Post by: michaelokielee@yahoo.com on July 09, 2020, 05:07:07 PM
Interesting. I would think they would still make their big profit makers. But it could be right. Time will tell, new bikes come out in Feb this year.What, not at the Dealer show in August? :nixweiss:
Post by: scotman623 on July 09, 2020, 05:51:59 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on July 10, 2020, 07:05:01 AM
What, not at the Dealer show in August? :nixweiss:
All HD 2021 will be at dealer show in Feb from what I have read and been told by HD store owners.
Post by: ultrarider123 on July 10, 2020, 07:14:51 AM
I believe Jerry's comments above stated it correctly. Another 700 positions eliminated and the CFO resigned.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/harley-davidson-to-cut-700-jobs-cfo-steps-down-after-10-years-in-the-role-2020-07-09
Post by: SHRADER on July 10, 2020, 12:42:29 PM
Post by: Fired00d on July 10, 2020, 06:46:56 PM
Now that the CFO is gone, maybe quality will return to the forefront, instead of making everything about reduction of costs to boost the stock price and profit margin.We can wish in one hand and chit in the other... however we both know which one will fills up the quickest... just sayin. :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: J.D. on July 10, 2020, 07:06:24 PM
Post by: BigLock on July 11, 2020, 08:59:07 AM
Post by: 08glide on July 11, 2020, 10:13:23 AM
Post by: bbrown on July 11, 2020, 10:24:58 AM
I wonder what the HD tent will be like in Sturgis this year? I know it's been a few years now that they have not had their new model introduction at the rally but still, having the new model year just a couple of weeks later gave them something to speak about. With it moving to February of 2021, I'm sure that will make for some interesting conversation.
I believe Jerry's comments above stated it correctly. Another 700 positions eliminated and the CFO resigned.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/harley-davidson-to-cut-700-jobs-cfo-steps-down-after-10-years-in-the-role-2020-07-09
Post by: kojak on July 13, 2020, 05:45:46 AM
I read some articles about no CVO Lineup for 2021, is it too early to confirm that or does someone on here know?What articles?
Post by: Aussie on August 06, 2020, 05:00:58 AM
What articles?X2
Post by: iski on August 06, 2020, 06:35:02 AM
And more speculation. https://www.totalmotorcycle.com/motorcycles/2021/Harley-Davidson-models (https://www.totalmotorcycle.com/motorcycles/2021/Harley-Davidson-models)
Post by: J.D. on August 06, 2020, 08:50:30 AM
Post by: mark on August 06, 2020, 08:50:36 AM
“The new boss is also driving up the merchandise, parts and accessories side of the business.
He says they will push parts and accessories sales at dealerships by promoting customization.
The company also hopes to attract new customers through investing in new technology for their apparel range.“
I got my first HD in 2002 and the dealer gave me a customization catalog that was probably an inch and a half thick. Every year after that, HD created even more new accessories which were included in their catalog. For decades, they’ve offered more accessories than any bike manufacturer. But now for 2021, the new CEO is going to focus on “customization.” Seems to me HD has led the motorcycle industry in customization for the last three decades. With sales down, wouldn’t you first have to sell a bike before the buyer customizes it?
Also, HD is going to focus on technology in their apparel line to draw new customers. Perhaps I don’t understand, but how is “technology apparel” going to cause someone to buy a motorcycle? Actually, I’m not even sure how you add technology to a jacket or a pair of pants.
Post by: michaelokielee@yahoo.com on August 06, 2020, 07:18:16 PM
Here’s what hiring a tennis shoe executive gets you at HD (from one of the articles linked above):
“The new boss is also driving up the merchandise, parts and accessories side of the business.
He says they will push parts and accessories sales at dealerships by promoting customization.
The company also hopes to attract new customers through investing in new technology for their apparel range.“
I got my first HD in 2002 and the dealer gave me a customization catalog that was probably an inch and a half thick. Every year after that, HD created even more new accessories which were included in their catalog. For decades, they’ve offered more accessories than any bike manufacturer. But now for 2021, the new CEO is going to focus on “customization.” Seems to me HD has led the motorcycle industry in customization for the last three decades. With sales down, wouldn’t you first have to sell a bike before the buyer customizes it?
Also, HD is going to focus on technology in their apparel line to draw new customers. Perhaps I don’t understand, but how is “technology apparel” going to cause someone to buy a motorcycle? Actually, I’m not even sure how you add technology to a jacket or a pair of pants.
I am going to have to agree with you. You are on point, too bad Harley doesn't listen.
Post by: J.D. on August 06, 2020, 07:26:36 PM
Post by: kojak on August 07, 2020, 04:38:25 AM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 07, 2020, 06:47:12 AM
Also, HD is going to focus on technology in their apparel line to draw new customers. Perhaps I don’t understand, but how is “technology apparel” going to cause someone to buy a motorcycle? Actually, I’m not even sure how you add technology to a jacket or a pair of pants.
I am thinking more advanced technology in the riding gear, wicking materials, and so on. Also better water proof materials and keeping heat in for winter. That said, none of that sells motorcycles. That is sold to people who have motorcycles and travel on them. Local riders do not need high tech stuff, distance riders with limited space do.
Quality is what they need to focus on. Its gone down hill bad in the last 11 years. My 19 has had more warranty issues than my 09 + 12 +15 +17 + 18 all added together.
Front rotors failing again, so when it goes in it will be the 5th new set. two to 3 rotors per front tire.
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 07, 2020, 07:17:12 AM
Post by: longlast on August 07, 2020, 05:29:49 PM
The teeth had parcel chrome and little pebble size splattered bits all within the teeth of the gear. It would have ripped the belt to bits if I would have put it on.
My thoughts were where is quality control how/ why would they ship that kind of crap out. Even the Dealership could not believe it.
The second one was much better but I still think it was below being quality work.
Harley Davidson really needs clean up it's act on their accessories. For me next time I need any parts I'll be looking at aftermarket first.
Post by: Threephase on August 07, 2020, 10:01:24 PM
I doubt that is the case anymore. Harley is now the example of “What not to do” in vehicle manufacturing.
The old t shirts that say “I own a Harley, not just a t shirt” are about to be replaced by the newer version. “Yes I own a Harley t shirt, because that’s all they sell”.
Post by: grc on August 07, 2020, 10:35:19 PM
Jerry
Post by: Ironhorse on August 08, 2020, 12:23:12 AM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 08, 2020, 07:14:18 AM
Dave, that is unacceptable. 5 sets of new rotors on a year old bike? I know you put the miles on a bike but still.I have called customer service about this twice now, soon to be three times. Dealer has called also. They go bad between 5500 and 6500 miles. They have replaced front wheel, still warping rotors. Really sad.
Post by: Gandrtravis on August 26, 2020, 09:32:24 AM
Post by: bbrown on August 27, 2020, 11:51:49 AM
anyone know if they are going to have any cvo models for 2021? i was reading that they cut cvo's from there production along with some other models.
I doubt it since they are a big profit provider for MOCO
Post by: Mr D on October 18, 2020, 01:28:35 PM
I doubt it since they are a big profit provider for MOCO
Any updated word in the mix on the ‘21 CVO line up ?
Post by: load97 on October 21, 2020, 06:08:17 PM
Post by: michaelokielee@yahoo.com on December 16, 2020, 06:32:34 PM
https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/products/bikes/future-vehicles/2021-virtual-product-launch.html
Post by: Cat Eye on December 16, 2020, 10:15:39 PM
Losing all the family owned dealerships is a big problem they really looked after there customers. The owner were always in the dealerships many of them could build a bike from the ground up.
Agree...but we were also culpable in the demise of the family dealerships. These small dealership lost a majority of their part sales to the larger dealership’s discounted internet stores.
I am guilty of this myself, so now if they have what I need in stock locally, I’ll buy it. If not then I’ll shop the internet to find the part. But my default is to buy locally if availability is comparable.....the price is secondary.
Post by: SDCVO on December 16, 2020, 11:40:38 PM
anyone know if they are going to have any cvo models for 2021? i was reading that they cut cvo's from there production along with some other models.Trike, Streetglide and Roadglide for sure--Pool guy
Post by: OBB on December 17, 2020, 06:36:09 AM
Trike, Streetglide and Roadglide for sure--Pool guyI'm sure a cyclops Limited as well.
Post by: CVODON on December 17, 2020, 04:05:56 PM
Post by: Bobs14Limited on December 17, 2020, 09:11:03 PM
I'm sure a cyclops Limited as well.
They are the best and most popular. ;D
Post by: Mofo67 on January 04, 2021, 01:32:49 PM
No noticeable differences in the non CVO bikes except a few new colors. Motors still show up as 107 on SG/RG Standard and 114 on Specials and Limited.
Post by: GregKhougaz on January 04, 2021, 02:58:59 PM
From CARB website:
harleydavidson_m0050272_1746_0d8_hn.pdf Jun 30 2020
harleydavidson_m0050273_1923_1868_0d8_hn.pdf Jun 30 2020
harleydavidson_m0050273r1_1923_1868_0d8_hn.pdf Jun 30 2020
harleydavidson_m0050274_1923_1868_0d8_hn.pdf Jun 30 2020
harleydavidson_m0050275_1923_1868_0d8_hn.pdf Jun 30 2020
Post by: OBB on January 04, 2021, 06:14:56 PM
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Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 05, 2021, 06:40:15 AM
Buddy posted some pics of new color Sharks and said they went back to a clutch cable as opposed to the hydro clutch.
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Why in the world would they go back to cable clutch? Doesn't make sense to me.
Post by: TN on January 05, 2021, 06:50:21 AM
Buddy posted some pics of new color Sharks and said they went back to a clutch cable as opposed to the hydro clutch.
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This is how rumors get started :nixweiss:
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on January 05, 2021, 09:20:25 AM
Buddy posted some pics of new color Sharks and said they went back to a clutch cable as opposed to the hydro clutch.
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Mike,
Crazy! I just saw a video at Moonshine HD. And your buddy is correct, NO Hydraulic clutch!!! Simply nuts.
Kinda like the "Gang of Four" song: "1 step forward, 3 steps back!"
YB
Post by: BigLew55 on January 05, 2021, 09:43:25 AM
Post by: OBB on January 05, 2021, 09:48:16 AM
This is how rumors get started :nixweiss:Check out YB's response.
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Post by: scotman623 on January 05, 2021, 12:15:35 PM
Post by: iski on January 05, 2021, 12:38:11 PM
Did not say EASIER, I said reliable.
Post by: OBB on January 05, 2021, 01:26:33 PM
This reminds me... Kick starts are more reliable than an electric start.That will be next after they do away with the electronic ignition.
Did not say EASIER, I said reliable.
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Post by: acevtwin on January 05, 2021, 02:37:51 PM
As a side note, I spotted a Harley Davidson Semi heading east on 94 here in Michigan today.
Presumably loaded with 2021's.
Post by: rayson56 on January 05, 2021, 04:38:12 PM
Post by: mark on January 05, 2021, 10:24:30 PM
I'll bet that at least the CVO line up will still have the hydraulics. We'll see, won't we?!I would think all CVO & NON-CVO bikes would have the same clutch. The MoCo has been cutting costs for sometime, especially on CVOs. From a manufacturing perspective, think of the cost and trouble of having to produce two separate clutch systems for the same assembly line. As you say, “we’ll see...”
Post by: rayson56 on January 05, 2021, 10:40:23 PM
Post by: iski on January 05, 2021, 11:24:53 PM
That will be next after they do away with the electronic ignition.
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Maybe the next HD catalogue will offer a new Dwell Meter? :nixweiss:
Post by: smkblwr on January 06, 2021, 06:51:24 AM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 06, 2021, 07:12:33 AM
I'll bet that at least the CVO line up will still have the hydraulics. We'll see, won't we?!
CVO got the hydraulic clutch before the rest of the touring bikes did, it was several years earlier. I know I have been on Hydraulic clutch bikes since my 12. Cant remember for sure but seem to think my 09 was also hydraulic.
I cant think of a good reason for going backwards to cable other than cost cutting.
The 21's also have a new ECM. I believe its also has 17mm O2 sensors now. Requires a different plug in.
Post by: motor1 on January 06, 2021, 07:32:42 AM
CVO got the hydraulic clutch before the rest of the touring bikes did, it was several years earlier. I know I have been on Hydraulic clutch bikes since my 12. Cant remember for sure but seem to think my 09 was also hydraulic.CVO’s got hydraulic clutch in 2003! Whether you like hydraulic, or hate it, it’s clear Harley is cutting back on its cost to build bikes.
I cant think of a good reason for going backwards to cable other than cost cutting.
The 21's also have a new ECM. I believe its also has 17mm O2 sensors now. Requires a different plug in.
Post by: B.A. on January 06, 2021, 07:59:52 AM
Why in the world would they go back to cable clutch? Doesn't make sense to me.
My ‘01 FLTRSEI2, cable clutch takes roughly HALF the effort to operate as my ‘11 FLTRUSE!! This has irritated this old arthritic man for 10 years now!!!!
YAY CABLE!!!!!
Post by: 2soaper on January 06, 2021, 11:03:17 AM
Post by: tazmun on January 06, 2021, 03:20:19 PM
Yes, my 05' CVO fatboy had a hydraulic clutch which was nice and smooth the 2015 certainly doesn't work that way. Slowly releasing the clutch on the 2015 and then it catches with jolt.Same with my 06, always worked smooth. My 19 does jerk on occasion.
I'll lay money the earlier ones were not made in China!!!!
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on January 06, 2021, 08:58:37 PM
It seems like when the MoCo decided to add hydraulic clutch to all standard models (ones that got them) and CVO models is when the problems started
and folks started to complain about them.
Those who own older CVO models myself included, seem to really like their hydraulic clutch.
:nixweiss:
YB
Post by: Mr D on January 06, 2021, 09:49:42 PM
It seems like when the MoCo decided to add hydraulic clutch to all standard models (ones that got them) and CVO models is when the problems started
and folks started to complain about them.
Those who own older CVO models myself included, seem to really like their hydraulic clutch.
:nixweiss:
YB
Yep, Loved my hydraulic clutch on my '05 SEEG
Not so much on my later year CVO's
Post by: Pan1 on January 07, 2021, 08:52:09 PM
Post by: AirCav101 on January 07, 2021, 09:03:52 PM
They are not like the Duesenberg Brothers...
By and large products of today are designed by marketing and bean counting departments!
Engineers just make it work or look appropriate or make it last through a warranty just better than a competitor...
Ask me how I know?
Ha ha I used to design pool heaters a great example....
Grandpa designed a pool heater that lasted 70 years if you knew what you were doing.... Think toothbrush / Metallica drummer....
The current "same company" new name (french) last 5 years.... SAME chit!
RULES HAVE CHANGED... IF YOU WANT TO MAKE MONEY STUFF CANNOT BE BUILT TO LAST. Whats better a $2000 dollar heater that is 82% efficient that lasts 30 + years.... Or a $3600 heater supposedly 84% efficient (cheated) that lasts 5 years MAX!
College is training these kids to sell chit!
Post by: acevtwin on January 08, 2021, 09:50:04 AM
Post by: ParadigmGuy on January 08, 2021, 10:52:57 AM
It is sad that a major Corp like HD can not engineer a smoother easy to pull hydraulic clutch. Seems like all the car companies figured it out as well as competitors bikes. If they are going back to cable it probably because the aging demographics of buyers are complaining about the effort it takes to pull lever. My 2015 RG would fatigue my hand in stop and go traffic and I disliked the engagement point. My 210 and 2008 CVO's were much better but hey messing up something that works is what HD does. Just look at their sales and stock price. Look at the diminished posts on this board.
It's stock price? It's approaching it's all time high from last year and is nearly three times it's 52 week low from March.
The stock is doing just fine and it will continue to improve from here.The diminished posts are here are not an indicator of interest in HD bikes.
Post by: iski on January 08, 2021, 04:06:55 PM
It's stock price? It's approaching it's all time high from last year and is nearly three times it's 52 week low from March.
The diminished posts are here are not an indicator of interest in HD bikes.
Depends on your time frame.
HOG stocked peaked (all time high) @ $73 in 2014. It has lagged behind the market - by a lot. The stock is at $38 today.
S & P was 1800 in early 2014 & is 3800 today.
Post by: ParadigmGuy on January 08, 2021, 04:22:11 PM
Depends on your time frame.You're right, it does depend on time frame. I read his post as implying that it hadn't done well recently.
HOG stocked peaked (all time high) @ $73 in 2014. It has lagged behind the market - by a lot. The stock is at $38 today.
S & P was 1800 in early 2014 & is 3800 today.
Also, the ATH was $75.50 on November 22, 2006, not $73 in 2014.
Post by: iski on January 08, 2021, 07:14:55 PM
You're right, it does depend on time frame. I read his post as implying that it hadn't done well recently.
Also, the ATH was $75.50 on November 22, 2006, not $73 in 2014.
ATH 14 years ago. Says a lot about HD and it's market value. I owned HOG stock a couple of times. Late 1990s and early 2000s. Did ok. Would not buy it now though, but do hope the company survives
Post by: Billy on January 09, 2021, 10:27:24 AM
Post by: BigLew55 on January 09, 2021, 10:31:01 AM
It wasn't on all. I only saw it on the FLHTK, and maybe FLTRK.
Post by: SHRADER on January 10, 2021, 09:51:55 AM
Surely HD would not kill all three of the Special models, Street Glide Special, Road King Special and Road Glide Special as these are there best selling bikes. Does this tell us that they will have a larger engine? My guess is that they will and they will be at least a 119. I will also go out on a limb and say there will be a 119 or whatever option on the Limited models too.
CVO bikes, if they make them, will be a 122 to 131.
Post by: Mr D on January 10, 2021, 12:02:56 PM
2021 standard models are being shipped, delivered, uncrated, and posted everywhere on YouTube with the announcement scheduled for 1-19-21. Anyone else notice that in all the touring models that have been posted to this point there are standard models and limited models only, no Specials.
Surely HD would not kill all three of the Special models, Street Glide Special, Road King Special and Road Glide Special as these are there best selling bikes. Does this tell us that they will have a larger engine? My guess is that they will and they will be at least a 119. I will also go out on a limb and say there will be a 119 or whatever option on the Limited models too.
CVO bikes, if they make them, will be a 122 to 131.
Can’t see the MoCo not making a ‘21 CVO Model (based on margin 💰)
‘20 CVO factory displacement is 117 not 122
Nine days left for the anticipated :huepfenjump3:
Post by: scotman623 on January 10, 2021, 02:16:44 PM
Post by: Mofo67 on January 10, 2021, 07:01:39 PM
https://fb.watch/2WVb1igItx/
Post by: SHRADER on January 10, 2021, 07:10:02 PM
It was a good theory...guess I'll go back to looking at fishing tackle. Lol
Post by: tazmun on January 10, 2021, 07:36:56 PM
Someone shared this on the H-D forum. A dealer in Australia showing a 2021 RG Special. Same 114 motor, but a low profile dash (gas cap on the right like a CVO but not flush mount), ventilator a/c, chopped engine guard and a wind splitter windshield. Will come with a chrome option as well as blacked out in 2021.So, will they be charging $1900 for the chrome option on thru Street Glide Special? Just saying!
https://fb.watch/2WVb1igItx/
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 11, 2021, 06:57:32 AM
Stock motor sizes will be the same as 2020.. 107-114 and 117 Ci.. NO major changes till 2022.. That is when the touring models get a major makeover... Frame- suspension etc..
We can only hope. Frame and suspension is already very dated.
Post by: hacek on January 13, 2021, 12:05:22 PM
Post by: OBB on January 13, 2021, 05:22:38 PM
117 engine (https://scontent-prg1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/138787530_10214373626734001_358772202418799412_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=2&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=PXNo905TOy4AX_tKAvc&_nc_ht=scontent-prg1-1.xx&oh=9597e675802ca8644ecef891074677db&oe=60255E31)That's a sharp bike.
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Post by: Mofo67 on January 13, 2021, 08:37:24 PM
Post by: Yellow09SERG on January 13, 2021, 08:50:20 PM
Anything on a CVO RG? I like the Red/Black CVO SG but would want a RG.
Agreed, if that paint scheme was on a roadie it might be worth a drive by.....if it happened to be yellow and black I might even stop and look
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 14, 2021, 06:44:53 AM
Post by: Mr. Warlock on January 15, 2021, 04:57:57 AM
Post by: acevtwin on January 15, 2021, 08:34:42 AM
Post by: Mr D on January 15, 2021, 01:14:15 PM
That's an accessories & clothing ad item. That could simply be showing an engine upgrade from accessories and not the actual stock engine.
Red accent on the rocker box is CVO exclusive
Post by: Bobs14Limited on January 15, 2021, 08:03:43 PM
Red accent on the rocker box is CVO exclusive
Exactly.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 16, 2021, 08:38:01 AM
Red accent on the rocker box is CVO exclusive
Stretched bags were a CVO exclusive, until they were not.
Post by: SHRADER on January 16, 2021, 11:29:59 AM
It’s now like 3 days before the big reveal and still no Road Glide, Road King or Street Glide Specials unloaded or shown on US shores on videos on media. It may or may not be a new motor but something different because every other model except CVOs have been shown....
Post by: Mofo67 on January 16, 2021, 12:08:20 PM
I’m gonna go ahead and double down on there being something different with the specials in 2021.
It’s now like 3 days before the big reveal and still no Road Glide, Road King or Street Glide Specials unloaded or shown on US shores on videos on media. It may or may not be a new motor but something different because every other model except CVOs have been shown....
Bad news on the specials. There is a video of a 2021 Special from a dealership in Australia. Chopped Engine Guard, Low Profile Dash with gas cap on the right like a CVO but not flush mounted, Windsplitter Windshield, Ventilation A/C, new tank badge (bar and shield similar to the CVO) and available blacked out or chrome. Same 114 motor., wheels.....
https://fb.watch/2WVb1igItx/
Post by: OBB on January 16, 2021, 04:08:13 PM
Bad news on the specials. There is a video of a 2021 Special from a dealership in Australia. Chopped Engine Guard, Low Profile Dash with gas cap on the right like a CVO but not flush mounted, Windsplitter Windshield, Ventilation A/C, new tank badge (bar and shield similar to the CVO) and available blacked out or chrome. Same 114 motor., wheels.....I just wonder if any of that was installed at the dealership.
https://fb.watch/2WVb1igItx/
Post by: Mofo67 on January 16, 2021, 04:53:08 PM
Post by: BigLock on January 16, 2021, 07:40:36 PM
Post by: rayson56 on January 16, 2021, 07:52:35 PM
Only 3 more days!
I've already signed up for the virtual "unveiling" but does anyone know exactly how it's going to work??
Post by: BT on January 17, 2021, 12:32:31 AM
Post by: ParadigmGuy on January 17, 2021, 01:46:12 AM
Local dealer here has a 2021 CVO Tri Glide with 117ci. While the engine size may not be what some folks had hoped for, it is orange and black :carrot:Photo didn't load.
Post by: Mofo67 on January 17, 2021, 07:43:42 AM
Local dealer here has a 2021 CVO Tri Glide with 117ci. While the engine size may not be what some folks had hoped for, it is orange and black :carrot:
:worthless:
Post by: rayson56 on January 17, 2021, 02:55:33 PM
https://live.harley-davidson.com/countdown?locale=en_US
Post by: JCZ on January 17, 2021, 06:37:56 PM
The big countdown!
https://live.harley-davidson.com/countdown?locale=en_US
I'm not holding my breath! This reminds me of the 100th anniversary when they had a "special guest" starring at the 100th anniversary concert there in Milwaukee......tens of thousands made their way down to the venue to find out it was Elton John. Mass exodus before his first song was through. :huepfenlol2: Once stung, twice shy baby! :nervous:
Post by: ParadigmGuy on January 17, 2021, 09:40:25 PM
I'm not holding my breath! This reminds me of the 100th anniversary when they had a "special guest" starring at the 100th anniversary concert there in Milwaukee......tens of thousands made their way down to the venue to find out it was Elton John. Mass exodus before his first song was through. :huepfenlol2: Once stung, twice shy baby! :nervous:Great White will be performing?
Post by: Twolanerider on January 17, 2021, 10:54:28 PM
Great White will be performing?
Good grief. We're all so old now that Harley will think it contemporary and complementary and complimentary to think we're digging a band that makes everything think of false teeth....
Post by: iski on January 18, 2021, 09:23:06 AM
Post by: KGB on January 18, 2021, 01:55:51 PM
https://fb.watch/35AI0lsqtS/
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Post by: Ponte on January 18, 2021, 02:58:57 PM
I got a early look at one of the new CVO models
https://fb.watch/35AI0lsqtS/
That blew me away... :-\
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Post by: OBB on January 18, 2021, 08:21:43 PM
I got a early look at one of the new CVO models
https://fb.watch/35AI0lsqtS/
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Post by: SHRADER on January 19, 2021, 08:41:15 AM
Im getting kinda excited almost...2hrs and 19 minutes to go
One rumor floating around is that there will be a CVO Road King in 2021, and you know I'm a sucker for Road Kings.....
Might have to build one out to a 131 and add a fairing, IF there is one, and IF I like the color on it
Post by: scotman623 on January 19, 2021, 09:43:35 AM
Post by: hacek on January 19, 2021, 10:06:50 AM
Post by: SHRADER on January 19, 2021, 10:35:44 AM
20 some odd minutes to go and the bikes are on Harleys page already. No CVO Road King so I guess Ill keep Orange Crush a while longer....
I think this is funny stuff and one reason HD is where they are right now.
On the main entry page right now on my phone is a picture of a dude riding a 2021 CVO Ultra in that two tone purple....And the picture is a negative. Meaning its got the tranny cover, air cleaner, pushrods etc. on the left side of the bike. Hilarious!!!!
Post by: acevtwin on January 19, 2021, 10:46:41 AM
Post by: mjb765 on January 19, 2021, 11:56:12 AM
Well Shucks
20 some odd minutes to go and the bikes are on Harleys page already. No CVO Road King so I guess Ill keep Orange Crush a while longer....
I think this is funny stuff and one reason HD is where they are right now.
On the main entry page right now on my phone is a picture of a dude riding a 2021 CVO Ultra in that two tone purple....And the picture is a negative. Meaning its got the tranny cover, air cleaner, pushrods etc. on the left side of the bike. Hilarious!!!!
Just went and looked at that--too funny!! On the homepage of their site and such a big mistake.....Proving the web designer is not familiar with the product.
Post by: GregKhougaz on January 19, 2021, 12:06:11 PM
Post by: iski on January 19, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
After watching my opinion is: the theme of the production, the talking heads, and in the video in general (with the exceptions of Bill & Karen Davidson) is - A Lack of Enthusiasm. Started at the first with the monotone, boring "Go ride" deal that sounded like the Sleepytime News for the About to Be Bored.
Other than all that it was an ok waste of time. Good riding scenery & the Sturgis Chamber of Commerce got $$s worth of free publicity.
Post by: mjb765 on January 19, 2021, 12:24:11 PM
Post by: SHRADER on January 19, 2021, 12:27:33 PM
Cant figure out what’s causing issues then scrap it.
It’s a wonder they didn’t stop putting oil in the M8s back in 17-19 so they wouldn’t sump.
Nothing moves me this year but I do kinda like the two tone red/black Road Glide Special
Post by: Fired00d on January 19, 2021, 12:42:28 PM
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: acevtwin on January 19, 2021, 12:58:49 PM
Website still goes to 2020 Bikes for me.
Post by: Sapman on January 19, 2021, 01:26:26 PM
Post by: rayson56 on January 19, 2021, 02:15:39 PM
Post by: scotman623 on January 19, 2021, 02:54:08 PM
Post by: michaelokielee@yahoo.com on January 19, 2021, 04:10:51 PM
Post by: smkymtnboy on January 19, 2021, 04:12:07 PM
Post by: spook120 on January 19, 2021, 05:19:44 PM
Post by: coolhanddeuce on January 19, 2021, 05:32:09 PM
CVO RG
https://h-dmediakit.com/us/bdp/?fltrxse|2021
CVO SG
https://h-dmediakit.com/us/bdp/?flhxse|2021
CVO Limited
https://h-dmediakit.com/us/bdp/?flhtkse|2021
CVO Trike
https://h-dmediakit.com/us/bdp/?flhtcutgse|2021
Post by: OBB on January 19, 2021, 05:36:33 PM
Did not watch the unveiling. Would have been too bored. Did review the 2021 bikes on the website. I'm underwhelmed at best. Where / what is the incentive to buy a new bike?Exactly!
Post by: OBB on January 19, 2021, 05:39:48 PM
I was surprised about the spoke wheels on the Road Glide CVO??21" wheel. Some people were not crazy about the heavy 21" wheel on previous years. At least that's my guess.
Post by: SHRADER on January 19, 2021, 07:04:14 PM
Of course HD took years to develop it according to one of the goomers on the launch video. Who is gonna be the guinea pig to ride one through a big pothole first?
Post by: rayson56 on January 19, 2021, 08:07:39 PM
According to the photo's on Harley's website the saddle bags on the CVO RG are no longer stretched on the Black Hole w/ graphics and are still pictured at least, as stretched on the Orange & Black Fade and the Bronze. :nixweiss:
Check out below under NEW "Standard Length Saddle Bags"
CVO Road Glide model: A Touring motorcycle with menacing style behind its distinctive shark nose fairing and dual headlamps.
• NEW Harley-Davidson® Audio powered by Rockford Fosgate® Stage II
• NEW Exclusive Combo 21-inch front and 18-inch rear wheel. This new wheel features a cast-aluminum rim and laced-spokes for a new look that is both rugged and exclusive. This design also enables TPMS on a laced wheel. This is the only 21-inch front wheel offered on a H-D Touring model. The front suspension is re-tuned for no compromise in handling and braking performance.
• NEW LED console light
• NEW Instrument faces
• NEW Standard-length saddlebags (replace extended-length bags)
• Precision Cooled Milwaukee-Eight® 117 powertrain
• Heated Kahuna™ Collection hand grips match Kahuna™ shifter pegs, brake pedal cover, muffler end caps, heated grips and rider and passenger boards.
• Fang Front Spoiler is dramatic lower bodywork and a fresh custom styling feature.
• Screamin’ Eagle® Heavy Breather intake for improved air flow and bold hot-rod style.
• Dual Daymaker® LED Headlamps
• NEW Paint Options
o Sunset Orange Fade / Sunset Black with satin chrome finishes
o Black Hole with gloss black and black onyx finishes
o Bronze Armor with smoked satin and gloss black finishes
Post by: Pan1 on January 19, 2021, 09:46:20 PM
Post by: USA88 on January 19, 2021, 09:47:54 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on January 19, 2021, 10:47:11 PM
Can't understand the saddlebag change at all. Less is more? It's a saddlebag not a TARDIS. Extended bags look better and have more space; and they can't cost THAT much more to product. And Mother Harley seriously just threw in the towel on something that could/should be as simple as a hydraulic clutch?
As is just about always the case with Mother Harley for years now; I don't get it. Really glad I like my old bikes.
Post by: Pan1 on January 19, 2021, 10:47:39 PM
Post by: SDCVO on January 19, 2021, 11:15:12 PM
Post by: mark on January 20, 2021, 12:40:59 AM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 20, 2021, 07:32:29 AM
21" wheel. Some people were not crazy about the heavy 21" wheel on previous years. At least that's my guess.The front wheel is still a 21". I do not think the 21 front wheel was heavy on the 18, and its not on the 19. Lots do not like it rides a little harsher do to less side wall.
Me, I like it on the 18 through 20 bikes. Not a fan of the look on the 21 bike. Also looks like a small pothole and that new rim is shot.
Web site shows regular bags on the black hole CVO RG and stretched on the other two. Press release say stretched bags are gone on road glide.
I do like the Orange / black CVO RG.
Want to hear the Rockford fosgate sound system
Post by: Twolanerider on January 20, 2021, 09:00:50 AM
You can not ride fancy paint.
I dunno.... Some women I've dated were way better with makeup than without. Just sayin'.
Post by: SHRADER on January 20, 2021, 10:03:32 AM
1. There is no CVO Road King
2. The only other Road King I like is the Special and after 2020 when they put a cool paint scheme on it (the Blue Black) I really expected HD to do something cool again and we got a Black bike, a pale cow pile green bike and a color last seen on a Mustang from 17 years ago. The Snake Venom might look better in person I know, but I can't ever see me liking it enough to buy one.
To my eye there is only one of the Specials that I like enough to even look twice at and that is the Red/Black Road Glide with a black motor. It actually looks good to me and maybe the two tone Street Glide Special in Grey/Black. Those two bike look more like what a CVO should look like to me Minus the $14000 up charge
Post by: porthole on January 20, 2021, 11:03:08 AM
As is just about always the case with Mother Harley for years now; I don't get it. Really glad I like my old bikes.
Another year my savings are safe .................
RG Ultra in CVO, must be a "don't want to step on the now very long production Ultra CVO".
Post by: iski on January 20, 2021, 12:17:43 PM
Post by: scotman623 on January 20, 2021, 01:03:05 PM
Post by: CVCVORG on January 20, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
I'd rate the CVO color selection with a D.
The standard touring bike colors at least offer a little variety, but still less than prior years.
Sad to see the decline in something I used to get so excited about.
Post by: spook120 on January 20, 2021, 09:28:52 PM
Post by: MiCrow on January 20, 2021, 10:07:14 PM
Post by: mjb765 on January 21, 2021, 09:33:42 AM
I’m disappointed with what CVOs have become. I had a 2015 FLHXSE in ultraviolet and hot molten lava, loved the look of that bike, but, it could not be trusted to go on road trips. I remember falling in I love with the 2009 Roadglide CVOs, but, I’m happy with my 19 Road Glide Special, doubt I’ll ever buy another CVO, they just aren’t as different as they used to be and the paint schemes just don’t do it for me now.
Yes..this one..love the bike...don't ride it as much as I used to since I got the 2020 Road Glide limited.
Post by: SHRADER on January 21, 2021, 01:37:53 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 24, 2021, 07:28:12 AM
Saw the Sunset Orange and Sunset Black Fade in the sun. Wow, looks great but more red than orange. The black has red flake in it and looks very good. Even the orange rocker box band has flake in it. Spoke rims look better in person. This one also sold.
This Sunset color will sell very well on the bikes it is on.
Post by: acevtwin on January 25, 2021, 10:09:24 AM
Saw two of the CVO Road Glides yesterday, the Black Hole looked very good, and graphics fit the bike well. Non stretch bags work with the graphics. I'm just not a black bike guy. It sold.So probably Not "Orange enough" for a traditional Orange/Black bike owner like me?
Saw the Sunset Orange and Sunset Black Fade in the sun. Wow, looks great but more red than orange. The black has red flake in it and looks very good. Even the orange rocker box band has flake in it. Spoke rims look better in person. This one also sold.
This Sunset color will sell very well on the bikes it is on.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 26, 2021, 07:20:52 AM
So probably Not "Orange enough" for a traditional Orange/Black bike owner like me?My guess would be no. Looks more red most the time to me. Certain angles it looks orangish.
Post by: fastfreddy on January 26, 2021, 09:37:21 AM
Post by: JC on January 27, 2021, 01:17:05 PM
Post by: Road G on March 21, 2021, 06:27:33 PM
Post by: Pan1 on March 25, 2021, 11:36:28 PM
NO:
Twin Cool
Lower Fairings
Stretched bags
Tour Pack
Post by: Bobs14Limited on March 27, 2021, 09:04:32 PM
What happened to CVO RG being a touring bike? Maybe I missed it and my local dealer accidently marked it up from the 2016's with these features
NO:
Twin Cool
Lower Fairings
Stretched bags
Tour Pack
Looks like Harley also deleted the windshield from the CVO RG. Looks ridiculous without it.