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[skippy49]

Just heard that the cop that killed one biker and critically injured two others last week was found legally drunk while on duty---I think it said .19 which is over twice the limit in Indiana.
  Even cops are killing us now--maybe this one won't get away.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20100811/NEWS02/100811007/Cop-cited-in-accident-turns-himself-in

[JCZ]

Man, what is going on?

Here in the Sacramento area there are several on trial right now.  A sherriff's deputy had his brother kill a CDC (Calif. prison system) corrections officer because he was having an affair with the deputy's wife.  A CHP officer was arrested as he completed his shift, for being under the influence of methampetamines........more were found in his car and home.  A few weeks later he was arrested again for solicitation of murder of the informant who told on him in the first place.  His girlfriend (on the news looked to be a real tweaker) was also busted for under the influence, possession, etc. etc.

Up in El Dorado county there's a Sargent on trial for killing his ex-wife and it goes on and on.  Then  there was the one that was cited for speeding and reckless driving but wasn't arrested nor was his vehicle impounded (normal proceudre for reckless driving). 

Makes one wonder.......have they loosened the standards or what?

[kraut]

no -  it's a matter of misunderstood "esprit de corps" we observe with almost any police force werever you look. It starts with backing up your buddy, leads to neglecting regular standards and in the end invites to just feel exempt form the laws applying to the rest of the world ...

The group will be the more vulnerabele for this disease if it's a locally recruited force and no special professional education is mandatory.

[wolfman]

Cops doodes, the original NARCS......

[Blazo]

Man, what is going on?

Here in the Sacramento area there are several on trial right now.  A sherriff's deputy had his brother kill a CDC (Calif. prison system) corrections officer because he was having an affair with the deputy's wife.  A CHP officer was arrested as he completed his shift, for being under the influence of methampetamines........more were found in his car and home.  A few weeks later he was arrested again for solicitation of murder of the informant who told on him in the first place.  His girlfriend (on the news looked to be a real tweaker) was also busted for under the influence, possession, etc. etc.

Up in El Dorado county there's a Sargent on trial for killing his ex-wife and it goes on and on.  Then  there was the one that was cited for speeding and reckless driving but wasn't arrested nor was his vehicle impounded (normal proceudre for reckless driving). 

Makes one wonder.......have they loosened the standards or what?

What's next? Is somebody gonna tell me there is no Santa?

[CBW]

That is really screwed up 

[Sklywag]

Man, what is going on?
Makes one wonder.......have they loosened the standards or what?

While the answer is not 'yes' the issue that has developed over the last 20 years is a lack of military personnel that are coming out of the military & becoming police officers.  For many years people were putting 4 yrs + in the military then going into law enforcement, when that changed the quality of officers changed.  This isn't to say that only ex military make good LEO's they just contributed a significant amount of more mature individuals to it.  Now with military service being voluntary & the # of military folks being lower the pool of candidates for law enforcement is lower.

I was talking with a retired LEO her in Phoenix a few weeks ago, he was telling me that the average age of officers in Phoenix is 25 to 30 & the average length of time on the force is 3 years.  They are being promoted to Sgt, Lt with only 4 or 5 years of experience.

So there you have it, look around & you will probably see similiar trends in your area.  It isn't that they are bad candidates as a whole, but it certainly opens the door to issues, especially when they don't have guidance by moe seasoned officers.

Just my thoughts....

[Chains]

Hey in Alabama, you can hire them to protect you no matter what you are up to.  Seems a little out of whack

[skippy49]

Here's the link to the story.  We all figured he'd get off and they've got a good start on getting him off now.  How can anyone have any respect for law enforcement people anymore?
http://www.indystar.com/article/20100819/NEWS02/8190485/Cop-s-blood-draw-not-admissible-in-court

   Sure makes me not want to go to Indy and I need to tomorrow morning.

[Gettinold]

Here's the link to the story.  We all figured he'd get off and they've got a good start on getting him off now.  How can anyone have any respect for law enforcement people anymore?
http://www.indystar.com/article/20100819/NEWS02/8190485/Cop-s-blood-draw-not-admissible-in-court

   Sure makes me not want to go to Indy and I need to tomorrow morning.

Skip
Don't let this make you feel you can't  respect law enforcement, because of the action of a incident. It's every where, we just don't see it, or they get away with it. Alcoholism  is in every line of profession there is, especially law enforcement, because of the high stress factor and the fact that they have one of the most dangerous day to day jobs there is.
What ever your doing in Indy get out and enjoy the town, it's a Great City. 

[OhioDave]

Here's the link to the story.  We all figured he'd get off and they've got a good start on getting him off now.  How can anyone have any respect for law enforcement people anymore?
http://www.indystar.com/article/20100819/NEWS02/8190485/Cop-s-blood-draw-not-admissible-in-court

   Sure makes me not want to go to Indy and I need to tomorrow morning.

This makes you not respect the thousands of honest hard working men and women in law enforcement? Your kidding right.. Attorneys get people out of similar situations every day, it just doesn't make the news.

[skippy49]

Skip
Don't let this make you feel you can't  respect law enforcement, because of the action of a incident. It's every where, we just don't see it, or they get away with it. Alcoholism  is in every line of profession there is, especially law enforcement, because of the high stress factor and the fact that they have one of the most dangerous day to day jobs there is.
What ever your doing in Indy get out and enjoy the town, it's a Great City. 

  Sorry, but my respect was fairly low to begin with due to our local Sheriff's dept, which I am more familiar with.  If this doesn't smell of a cover up I sure don't know what does.  They took the guy to the wrong place for a blood draw.  Come on now, how many times does that happen? If this guy is an alcoholic then others around him had to know-you just can't cover that up forever.  Law enforcement needs to earn respect and I don't know how it is where you live but around here it's almost a laughing matter.  Indianapolis is not a "Great City" anymore.  They have killings every night, even the prosecutor and mayor agree they have a problem.  If you want to discuss the stress and danger, I farm for a living and I can tell you to look it up anywhere you want to but farming is a more dangerous occupation than law enforcement---the one I saw put farmers at #5 and law enforcement #10.  Stress and danger shouldn't make a difference anyway, the people involved have to learn to deal with it and drinking on the job is not the way to do it-whether you're a farmer or a cop.  LIke I said before, law enforcement has to earn respect and around here there are plenty that aren't doing that.  I'll give you that there are probably many that are good but all we've seen lately is the bad.  And the cleanup of the department needs to start at the top, mayor on down.  Too many times this just gets swept under the rug and disappears and it's time for it to stop.  I can assure you that if I had killed that biker while I was drunk I'd still be sitting in jail awaiting trial----it needs to be equal for all.

[skippy49]

  Anyone concerned can go to the article I listed above and read all the comments left and you'll soon see I'm not alone in how I feel about it.

[Robmay]

  Sorry, but my respect was fairly low to begin with due to our local Sheriff's dept, which I am more familiar with.  If this doesn't smell of a cover up I sure don't know what does.  They took the guy to the wrong place for a blood draw.  Come on now, how many times does that happen? If this guy is an alcoholic then others around him had to know-you just can't cover that up forever.  Law enforcement needs to earn respect and I don't know how it is where you live but around here it's almost a laughing matter.  Indianapolis is not a "Great City" anymore.  They have killings every night, even the prosecutor and mayor agree they have a problem.  If you want to discuss the stress and danger, I farm for a living and I can tell you to look it up anywhere you want to but farming is a more dangerous occupation than law enforcement---the one I saw put farmers at #5 and law enforcement #10.  Stress and danger shouldn't make a difference anyway, the people involved have to learn to deal with it and drinking on the job is not the way to do it-whether you're a farmer or a cop.  LIke I said before, law enforcement has to earn respect and around here there are plenty that aren't doing that.  I'll give you that there are probably many that are good but all we've seen lately is the bad.  And the cleanup of the department needs to start at the top, mayor on down.  Too many times this just gets swept under the rug and disappears and it's time for it to stop.  I can assure you that if I had killed that biker while I was drunk I'd still be sitting in jail awaiting trial----it needs to be equal for all.

I'll be..... googled it and sure enough, out of the 15 most dangerous in the U.S., Po-po was #10 and Farmers/Ranchers #5....

[kraut]

some more of this topic. Seems just the sort of cover-up one had to expect ...