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[Screamin]

'Tis B.S. 'Spose they would of bungled the test if a motorcyclist killed a cop?

http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20100820/NEWS01/100820017

[indcoltz]

Please don't profile your law enforcement because of a few bad ones out there, there are still alot of good ones. The biggest problem is they have had to lower the standards to get people to do the job. I can remember coming to work one day and a Deputy out of Florida was there trying to recruit us to come to work. They have this problem with hiring African Americans they don't get enough to apply so they lower the standards by offering them exceptions like you don't have to have a college education or we can overlook the prior arrests you have. They want women to apply so they change the physical qualifications. Guys I can go on and on about how things have changed. Would you take a job that required you to run code 3 and because some idiot would not get out of your way or cut in front of you you now just lost your home and job because of a tort claim againest you?? When I hired on if you had ever been arrested for a misdemeanor you could forget it and even some traffic citations. By the way this has changed in the las 10 years. So ask yourself why do they have to hire from the bottom of the barrel??? I know I'm going to hear a bunch of crap about how cops are bad, but they are not all bad we just love to find the ones that are. An Indiana State Trooper right here in my home town was running code 3 at 11:00 PM on a state highway, a guy that made a right turn on red pulls out in front of the Trooper, the man was killed, the Trooper went to prison for manslaughter and he was on a legitamate call, how many of you want this job??

[Spiderman]

Picture a world without crime and no need for Law Enforcement.  Unrealistic expectation isn't it ?
Now picture a world with No Law Enforcement. Pretty scary thought.
Everything in life has a price. The price of security for the vast majority is incidents such as this.
I am not going to go off on a rampage about every cop in the world because of this POS. And yes he's a POS, deserves to be judge to a higher standard than the average citizen and should be given the death sentence. Why a higher standard ? Because he chose this career. He took an oath to uphold and preserve the law. Not that you and I shouldn't either but we didn't make it our life's work to enforce the law. In my opinion, those that do should suffer far far harsher penalties. Beyond that, in my lifetime and especially in my biker lifetime, I've met every manner of LEO you could imagine. Some were extremely professional, courteous and even humorous in situations where I didn't deserve much of any of those traits. Some were total and complete A-holes in situations where I deserved better. Cops are people and people have good days and bad. As I said above, I am not going to judge every good cop by every bad cop. I just feel that we as a nation need to come down harder on the bad cops, twice as hard as we would on every day citizens. This guy will plea bargain this down to manslaughter and probably serve no more than 5-7 years in prison. That thought angers me but if past experience is any guage, I'll bet I'm pretty accurate in my assessment. So that brings the entire system of justice into question for the average citizen. Therein lies my beef

 Just my $0.02

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[skippy49]

I can agree somewhat with both of the previous posts.  There are good and bad in everything, but a bad cop is especially bad.   I  hope you're right that he serves some time over this, but I'm betting that he serves no time at all.  I'm guessing the only thing that will happen is that the family of the dead man will sue and they will probably recover some damages.  Kind of like OJ's trial.

[dooinit2u]

What's next? Is somebody gonna tell me there is no Santa?

Sorry to tell ya, but ...

[kraut]

don't exaggerate - even LEO's are human beeings and have their bad days. There is nobody who has no fault. It's just a matter of good or bad luck if you heart nobody or someone seriously on such a day. Nobody tell me there have been no such days in all of your livetime.

Not excuse intended - but perhaps you may try to understand the dilemma of the judge ...

[skippy49]

don't exaggerate - even LEO's are human beeings and have their bad days. There is nobody who has no fault. It's just a matter of good or bad luck if you heart nobody or someone seriously on such a day. Nobody tell me there have been no such days in all of your livetime.

Not excuse intended - but perhaps you may try to understand the dilemma of the judge ...

 I hope you're not talking about the cop that plowed into the bikers in Indy.  He was drunk on duty.  That's not good or bad luck and he should be off the force immediately, but isn't.

[bigjohn]

I was talking with a retired LEO her in Phoenix a few weeks ago, he was telling me that the average age of officers in Phoenix is 25 to 30 & the average length of time on the force is 3 years.  They are being promoted to Sgt, Lt with only 4 or 5 years of experience.

So there you have it, look around & you will probably see similiar trends in your area.  It isn't that they are bad candidates as a whole, but it certainly opens the door to issues, especially when they don't have guidance by moe seasoned officers.

That is exactly whats going on. I had to retire because i couldnt take it anymore. We called them five yr wonders. I saw people making captains grade in less than five yrs and then they wonder why everything is so screwed up. I had more time in the chitter than they had on duty. twenty one yrs fed law enforcement was enough for me, I know they had to have changed the exams to get in, because some of the peolpe i saw getting hired should have had warrants being served on them.

[indcoltz]

I'm not saying in any manner the Indy Cop should get away with anything, lets just wait for the facts. The media loves to blow everything out of proportion, that's the only way they can get you to read or listen to the news. Just like the Rodney King beating, the media never showed the whole tape to the public. They never showed the first couple of minutes of this tape because if they would have it wouldn't have drawn the attention that it did. The media needs to be held accountable for some of the crap they put out. If the cop was drinking regardless of on duty or not he should do the time, I just hate it when people start up with saying that all cops get away with everything and I'm here to tell you this IS NOT TRUE!!!

[Spiderman]

This thread has gone far enough off track. I will attempt to return to the real reason we post these kinds of topics as a motorcycle forum  - - - - - -My condolences to the victim and his loved ones.

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[skippy49]

I'm not saying in any manner the Indy Cop should get away with anything, lets just wait for the facts. The media loves to blow everything out of proportion, that's the only way they can get you to read or listen to the news. Just like the Rodney King beating, the media never showed the whole tape to the public. They never showed the first couple of minutes of this tape because if they would have it wouldn't have drawn the attention that it did. The media needs to be held accountable for some of the crap they put out. If the cop was drinking regardless of on duty or not he should do the time, I just hate it when people start up with saying that all cops get away with everything and I'm here to tell you this IS NOT TRUE!!!

  Just happened across this again and saw your post.  I think the facts are pretty clear in this case.  I would be greatly surprised if this cop gets anything more than a hand slap after this is all over.  They're going to drag this out until the public forgets and then let him off really lightly.  My experiences with law enforcement through the years has certainly lowered my opinion of them.  Put it this way, I live in the country and I won't call them for anything that happens out here unless someone would be killed.  They don't care and have no interest in investigating anything, period.  Our county could fire half or more of their department and no one would ever miss them.

[spydglide]

Anyone see recent follow-up news on this 'accident'?  spyder

[porthole]

Anyone see recent follow-up news on this 'accident'?  spyder

All old links that lead to "pay to view" articles.
Criminally he may get away with it, civilly though the employer/employee will most likely lose.


Comparing this to our state, there seems to be no coverups anymore. There have been over a dozen DUI/DWI incidents involving LEO's in the last 10 years, and they all ended up badly for the LEO. And in several cases the victims.
And there are plenty more that we just don't here about, e.g. caught DUI on duty - fired.

Although we all have to keep in mind, there are laws that protect the substance abuser. Not so easy anymore to just fire someone because they misuse alcohol or drugs (legal on not).

[porthole]

An Indiana State Trooper right here in my home town was running code 3 at 11:00 PM on a state highway, a guy that made a right turn on red pulls out in front of the Trooper, the man was killed, the Trooper went to prison for manslaughter and he was on a legitamate call

Has to be more then just a failure to yield here.

[skippy49]

Anyone see recent follow-up news on this 'accident'?  spyder

They actually mentioned it on the local tv news last night but I was doing something else and did not see it other than just a glimpse at the end of it.  I think one of the local tv stations is trying to keep up with it some.  Either www.wthr.com or www.wishtv.com is covering it., don't remember which.