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[Twolanerider]

HOLY COW!!!! I get it now!!!

Damn you Twin Cam, that was perfectly good soda I just dribbled!

[icybay]

Don needs just 19 more dead cats to fill up with a tankful of diesel  !!!

Inventor turns dead cats into diesel
A German inventor says he's found a way to make cheap diesel fuel out of dead cats.
Dr Christian Koch, 55, from Kleinhartmannsdorf, said his method uses old tyres, weeds and animal cadavers.They are heated up to 300 Celsius to filter out hydrocarbon which is then turned into diesel by a catalytic converter.He said the resulting "high quality bio-diesel" costs just 15 pence per litre.

Koch said the cadaver of a fully grown cat can produce 2.5 litres of fuel - meaning around 20 cats are needed for a full tank.He said: "I tank my car with my own diesel mixture and have driven it for 105,000 miles without any problems."

Annelise Krauss of the Dresden Animal Protection Association blasted Koch's new diesel though, saying: "This is as bad as experimenting on animals."
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Just wondering, how many tanks could you get out of a dolphin?

[Twolanerider]

It's hard to draw that line, Don..that's for sure.  And we all tend to draw those lines in different places to suit our needs/wants.  The Dolphins, whales, etc....but particularly the Dolphins, actually have a larger frontal cortex than we humans, have sex for fun/pleasure, obviously have sophisticated communication ability.  About the only difference I see between us and them is at some point they stayed in the water...

What these humans are doing is despicable, and in my eyes at least, is murder of another sentient being.  It's like killing children...

TC, I don't disagree with you.  Not at all.  But, for different reasons, those of us sitting at Morton's in a few weeks could be seen as just as barbaric by some. 

I do think there's a line being crossed.  I do think the dolphins are "different" than other lesser animals.  But the other side will argue that the line itself is a construct.  That it's still a lesser animal. 

Of course making things that black and white, that absolute, opens up the same debate on the Great Apes, chimps and even the more significantly handicapped among the human population.  Slaughter of more highly developed animals is but a step from euthanasia of the more developed (in my book) of the highest on the evolutionary ladder.  But it's all "lines."  And there is no one absolute rule about who makes them or when they're crossed.  Especially across societies and histories that's a difficult thing not just to do, but even understand.  Even within societies there can be significant tensions on such issues.

Bottom line, I wish the dolphins could shoot back.  Line after that; I'm not historically Japanese.....

[ESJ JESTER]

  FFSA   Flipper Fuel Stops of America??        2 gal  for a ($5) Fin??

[ak]

  Dolphins are GAY sharks,    (not my joke heard on xm)----AK

[SPIDERMAN]

AK.
     My Grandmother whom I still miss very much even though she's been gone for 20 years used the word GAY to mean happy. Grams would have laughed at your joke because it's funny in that context too. Yeah, that's cool, like if Robin Williams were a shark he'd be a dolphin.

Thanks for the laugh

B B

[Midnight Rider]

TC, I don't disagree with you.  Not at all.  But, for different reasons, those of us sitting at Morton's in a few weeks could be seen as just as barbaric by some. 

I do think there's a line being crossed.  I do think the dolphins are "different" than other lesser animals.  But the other side will argue that the line itself is a construct.  That it's still a lesser animal. 

Of course making things that black and white, that absolute, opens up the same debate on the Great Apes, chimps and even the more significantly handicapped among the human population.  Slaughter of more highly developed animals is but a step from euthanasia of the more developed (in my book) of the highest on the evolutionary ladder.  But it's all "lines."  And there is no one absolute rule about who makes them or when they're crossed.  Especially across societies and histories that's a difficult thing not just to do, but even understand.  Even within societies there can be significant tensions on such issues.

Bottom line, I wish the dolphins could shoot back.  Line after that; I'm not historically Japanese.....

I guess the "line" for most cultures that can think and concern themselves with more than the three basic needs tends to change as other "needs" are thought of and attempted to be met.  The line for me personally is killing things that are basically free to live however they are meant to live in wild places, which are quickly declining due to the encroachment of what we tend to think of as "superior" beings....us.  Domesticated animals like cattle, pigs, chickens, and to some extent, fish, are no longer free, and have historically not been so.  Fishing "free" waters responsibly ensures not only the survival of species, but our own as well.  Doing so irresponsibly ensures our own doom.  The supply is no longer "endless", as those of us with opposable thumbs have invented increasingly effective, and devastating, ways of harvesting our natural resources.  There are places and things on the planet which need to remain totally and completely wild.  We need to know when we enter those places that we are no longer at the top of the food chain...it puts us in our place and teaches some humility in the process.  This is not a anti-hunting thing, as we have effectively removed most of the natural predators, so we must, to some extent, take their place responsibly.  We are, like it or not, and believe it or not, the stewards of this blue ball...so far I've not a lot of confidence in our ability to carry this burden we've placed on ourselves effectively.  There's too many rats in the tank, bro.  What gives us the right to think we can do as we please with obviously devastating results.  History is being written very, very quickly these days....

[Twolanerider]

History is being written very, very quickly these days....

Very true.  "Tipping points" for real harm can be hit suddenly and without noticing until after the fact.  I've never been a leaf waving greenie out to yell "the sky is falling" and worry about the lot of every possible protozoa species that might be isolatedly threatened by major projects that obviously benefit many human beings.  Further than that I'm (barely) bright enough to recognize that much of the sound and fury thrown the loudest often really means nothing. 

After all, it was only a generation or so ago that the doomsayers were warning us of "Global Winter" scenarios if better ecological and environmental standards weren't practiced.  Global Winter begat Global Warming and, as these things go, such are too easily dismissed.  Then, what the hell do you know, some of the crack pots turn out not to be crack pots after all.  And after much study of the science presented, and much time for the science to become mature, you suddenly (and perhaps belatedly) realize that the science finally became understandable barely in time for it to do you a hell of a lot of good.

Mass cullings of any species are worrisome.  I do believe there are lines to be drawn.  In fact obvious and relatively simple lines when those species truly are more intelligent, aware, and have the ability of singular characters and interests within their own societies.  That as less informed beings ourselves we may not have understood their character or place 100 years ago is irrelevant to what we understand know.  Part of our own advance and improvement has to be a willingness to simply admit our past mistakes and move on from there.  Unfortunately, in many areas, that honest introspective reflection isn't something that the Japanese have proven especially good at (nor many other nations of people).  Hopefully that won't always be the case.

[twincam]

back in my  younger years I  was a guide for hunting& fishing , hell, can't say that a few times I didn't fall in that poaching category, but, I never killed anything that was not eattin.I am not disputting the fact that all this meat is going to feed people. but,this is down right slaughter............ for profit..... I grew up and realized this people find ways to get fed without this sinsless massacere!!!!!!!!! the ocean is a big place, this is just easy money!!!