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Title: gas over fill?
Post by: laylonlor on June 25, 2017, 05:15:21 PM
stopped filled up with gas , (not over fill either), one mile to home , and  looked like quart  of gas under my bike , on the pavement :nixweiss:
Title: Re: gas over fill?
Post by: Dennis97 on June 25, 2017, 06:36:06 PM
Glad a fire did not start. Never heard of that happening like that. Let us know the details when you find out.
Title: Re: gas over fill?
Post by: Road Dad on June 25, 2017, 06:37:47 PM
Looks more than it is. No way it's a qt / liter.
Title: Re: gas over fill?
Post by: grc on June 25, 2017, 07:29:40 PM

That's a fairly common problem on many Harley models if you fill the tank after a long ride and then park the bike.  The fuel tank is sitting on top of a very hot engine, and all that heat rises when sitting still.  The fuel heats up and expands, building pressure in the tank, until the filler cap vents to the overflow tube.  If the liquid fuel level is too high, liquid will be forced out along with the vapor.  You don't have to fill the tank to the brim for it to be overfilled btw.  I think Harley defines full at one or two inches below the filler neck tube.

Jerry
Title: Re: gas over fill?
Post by: Dennis97 on June 25, 2017, 07:35:11 PM
Thanks GRC, I never knew that could happen. I am surprised this hasn't happened to me. I will know what caused it if it happens now.
Title: Re: gas over fill?
Post by: laylonlor on June 25, 2017, 09:48:55 PM
GRC , sounds like that is what happened, bike was hot , i guess if ya keep riding ya don't notice it leaking out , :nixweiss:
Title: Re: gas over fill?
Post by: ematicic on September 26, 2017, 01:47:48 PM
Had that happen on a long ride. I had just got caught in a downpour, pulled over gassed up and sat about 20 minutes. About 10 miles into town gas started spewing from the fill cap. Only happened once in 22K miles but just weird.
Title: Re: gas over fill?
Post by: Ironhorse on September 26, 2017, 02:40:12 PM
Very common, made worse on the California bikes with the Charcoal Canister. On mine the gas would overflow into the canister, and then provide an over rich air return back to the throttle body. The bike would run horribly until the fuel was used up. I recently removed all the canister hook ups and now vent to the outside like the rest of the 49 state bikes.
Title: Re: gas over fill?
Post by: Rooster on October 03, 2017, 05:34:07 PM
Very common, made worse on the California bikes with the Charcoal Canister. On mine the gas would overflow into the canister, and then provide an over rich air return back to the throttle body. The bike would run horribly until the fuel was used up. I recently removed all the canister hook ups and now vent to the outside like the rest of the 49 state bikes.
Does it make a difference at the DEQ? or just replace it for DEQ and then remove again?
Title: Re: gas over fill?
Post by: Ironhorse on October 03, 2017, 05:39:06 PM
Does it make a difference at the DEQ? or just replace it for DEQ and then remove again?

Terry,

What's a DEQ?

Mark
Title: Re: gas over fill?
Post by: grc on October 03, 2017, 07:06:44 PM

Department of Environmental Quality.

Jerry
Title: Re: gas over fill?
Post by: pudgeyxj on October 03, 2017, 07:12:03 PM
I had to replace the fuel cap, the vent went bad. Could not get anywhere near close to a fill up and it would just puke out the top/cap. replaced cap (over $100 Canadian, total b/s) and never had another problem.

Cheers  :drink:

Paul
Title: Re: gas over fill?
Post by: Ironhorse on October 03, 2017, 09:30:43 PM
So far it hasn’t been an issue as I’ve never had to have it inspected. Motorcycles aren’t smog checked like cars here in California yet.
Title: Re: gas over fill?
Post by: Trapperdog on October 03, 2017, 10:57:59 PM
Very common, made worse on the California bikes with the Charcoal Canister. On mine the gas would overflow into the canister, and then provide an over rich air return back to the throttle body. The bike would run horribly until the fuel was used up. I recently removed all the canister hook ups and now vent to the outside like the rest of the 49 state bikes.
Aren't all US Harley's 50 state EPA compliant now?
Title: Re: gas over fill?
Post by: Ironhorse on October 03, 2017, 11:29:28 PM
Aren't all US Harley's 50 state EPA compliant now?

You might be right Roger, I’m probably thinking back to the days of Evo engines.
Title: Re: gas over fill?
Post by: grc on October 04, 2017, 08:42:27 AM

When it comes to Harley's they have a California only evaporative emissions system on top of the 50 state regular emissions package (note on the spec and pricing pages it is an additional cost item).  It consists of a carbon canister to collect fuel vapors and a purge valve that releases the collected vapor back to the intake when the engine is running.  Basically the same thing cars have had for decades, but for whatever reason the US EPA doesn't require them for motorcycles.  California does.  The fuel tank vent hose that just dumps vapor into the air on 49 state bikes is connected to the carbon canister on Cali bikes.

Jerry

Title: Re: gas over fill?
Post by: Trapperdog on October 04, 2017, 10:40:58 AM
When it comes to Harley's they have a California only evaporative emissions system on top of the 50 state regular emissions package (note on the spec and pricing pages it is an additional cost item).  It consists of a carbon canister to collect fuel vapors and a purge valve that releases the collected vapor back to the intake when the engine is running.  Basically the same thing cars have had for decades, but for whatever reason the US EPA doesn't require them for motorcycles.  California does.  The fuel tank vent hose that just dumps vapor into the air on 49 state bikes is connected to the carbon canister on Cali bikes.

Jerry
Ok, that makes sense.
Some motorcycle manufacturers such as Honda, put the canisters on at least certain models, US wide