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[phato1]

I'm with those Wondering what(if any) effect this will have on the aftermarket devices going forward 

[Yellow09SERG]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/harley-davidson-pay-15-million-154746509.html

Sounds like maybe the next beginning of the end for the performance world. They nailed the diesel tuners a while back and now this?

[wtfdskin]

Ill be buying my fp3 immediately.

[Royalroadie]

 I switched from the Harley tuner to a TTS several years ago so I would love for them to give me back my money.

[Cajun851]

Interesting concept, buy them back. Damage is done your ecm has been modified. What am I missing? No way they will take back used ones? As well now "the man" knows which bikes no longer meet epa rules.

I agree!! The damage is done. The tuner has already re-flashed the ECM and is not connected to the bike. And I just bought the tuner a month ago. Here's my question though, and hope I don't sound completely ignorant so forgive me...I didn't know the Harley Super Tuner was considered an 'after market' product. V&H Fuelpak, V&H FP3, Power Commander V, Cobra Fi2000, Power Vision, etc., I would call aftermarket because they're not Harley products. Either way like everyone else has said...go ahead and buy it back so I can get something else. I'll be heading to my dealership tomorrow and ask what they've been directed to do. I'm sure their phones will be ringing off the hook.

Ride safe!!

[wtfdskin]

Are they "vin locked" like diesel tuners are?

[Cajun851]

Are they "vin locked" like diesel tuners are?

Yep!! They're married to the particular bike...supposedly!!

[SHRADER]

I don't think Harley has to buy back all the tuners out there in the field so to speak, they only have to buy back the ones currently in dealer stock....

[FXD_TG]

I don't think Harley has to buy back all the tuners out there in the field so to speak, they only have to buy back the ones currently in dealer stock....

Yup... "Under the agreement, Harley-Davidson said it will no longer sell the racing tuners. The company also will offer to buy back all such tuners in stock at Harley-Davidson dealerships across the country and destroy them."

[wtfdskin]

So for a used tuner to work the original bike it was on must have the stock mapping flashed to the ecm to release the tuner, so unless you are buying another brand tuner the buyback program is a joke. You would be stuck with whatever mapping you have loaded at the time.

I could be way off there as im new to these but very familiar with the diesel ones.

Edit. Posted same time

[Sarhan]

Will this work on international market?

[Cajun851]

So for a used tuner to work the original bike it was on must have the stock mapping flashed to the ecm to release the tuner, so unless you are buying another brand tuner the buyback program is a joke. You would be stuck with whatever mapping you have loaded at the time.
I could be way off there as im new to these but very familiar with the diesel ones.
Edit. Posted same time

No. And this is my understanding from the dealership. Once it's mapped to that bike, it can't be used on any other bike regardless of what you do to the bike it was on. The tuner basically acts as a go between to tuner and the bike and any changes are recorded to THAT tuner. Now, I've seen posts on eBay where guys are claiming they can wipe a used unit back to factory settings. I don't know how true that is, but I certainly wouldn't trust any tuner that was 'wiped'. I guess time will tell as to how this will all play out.

[wtfdskin]

Good info to know before I buy a used tuner. Thank you.

Im not needing custom tuning, just want to decat and adjust for that.  Everything else is staying stock.

[Eqcons]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37127576

[Cajun851]

Good info to know before I buy a used tuner. Thank you.
Im not needing custom tuning, just want to decat and adjust for that.  Everything else is staying stock.

Anytime!!