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Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« on: March 26, 2007, 08:52:49 PM »

Took my heel shifter off first week, guess you just can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Just curious, which do all of you use?  :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2007, 08:58:08 PM »

I'm with you, I just can't get used to it. I've also just been too lazy to get around taking it off.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2007, 08:58:47 PM »

The only time I ever use the heel shift is when trying to find neutral while siting still. I'm with you, Think I'm going to remove it.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2007, 08:59:07 PM »

There's a heel shifter  :nixweiss: ?
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2007, 09:02:23 PM »

sure is, it's that annoying thing I keep hitting my heel on when I move my foot back on the floorboard.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2007, 09:02:34 PM »

Toe shift about 99.99% of the time.  I just can't tear myself to take the heel shift lever off though.   :-\
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2007, 09:13:44 PM »

it felt awkward at first coming from a softy with forward controls, but i find it easier to heel shift then to try and get my toe between the floor board and the front peg
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2007, 09:14:44 PM »

sure is, it's that annoying thing I keep hitting my heel on when I move my foot back on the floorboard.

Oh, that thing.  I thought it was Harley's odd attempt to supply us with a spare shifter rod for when the first one's splines start wearing out.  Mine came off the first night and got used to replace the front one about six months ago (have to mount it upside down but it works perfect).  Guess I ought to get another for a redundant backup  :nixweiss: ?
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2007, 09:22:14 PM »

Toe shift about 99.99% of the time.  I just can't tear myself to take the heel shift lever off though.   :-\
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2007, 09:23:35 PM »

When I first got a Harley I didn't think I would like the heel shifter, but after using it that's all I use to shift with. Shift up with heel, and shift down w/toe. Keeps your boots/shoes from getting messed up also. :2vrolijk_21: ;D

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2007, 09:27:41 PM »

When I first got a Harley I didn't think I would like the heel shifter, but after using it that's all I use to shift with. Shift up with heel, and shift down w/toe. Keeps your boots/shoes from getting messed up also. :2vrolijk_21: ;D

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With your big assed feet how the hell do you fit everything in between there?
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2007, 09:31:04 PM »


With your big assed feet how the hell do you fit everything in between there?


 :P :P Maybe that's why I use the heel shifter my foot is above it all the time. :huepfenlol2:

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2007, 09:32:46 PM »



I have been heel shifting for many years and when I ride other scoots that don't have heel shift ....feels weird to me

I guess it all goes back to what your use to but I am not big on shining shoes so no toe shifting here


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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2007, 09:33:07 PM »

Removed mine a few days after purchase.  Actually, as soon as the chrome spacer arrived to take up the slack without having to move the front gear peg all the way to the inside.
http://www.kuryakyn.com/products.asp?bn=harley&ci=2468

Also put the floorboard spacers on to move the floorboards out 3/4 inch.  Made a world of difference, no longer felt like I was  horseback riding and bowing my legs around the tank.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2007, 09:37:16 PM »

Heel shifter is great. I am lazy, pushing down with my heel is a lot less effort than pulling up with my toes. Also for that occasional blast thru the gears it is a lot faster to kick down.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2007, 09:40:07 PM »

Heel.



                             
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2007, 09:40:26 PM »



 :P :P Maybe that's why I use the heel shifter my foot is above it all the time. :huepfenlol2:

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2007, 09:43:50 PM »


ohhhh, so D00d likes it on top ???
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2007, 09:46:57 PM »

Heel.



                             

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2007, 09:52:28 PM »

Heel shifter is the only way to go imo.  But ONLY after you install the EZ shift.  Moves the dang thing back actually beyond the rear edge of the footboard so this big old 11 1/2 still got plenty of room.  I just find it much easier to move my foot back a little and press down to upshift.  With the EZ shift you really don't have to lift your foot - just slide it back and press down.  Can't ride without my EZ brake and EZ shift. :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2007, 10:02:33 PM »

Heel shifter is the only way to go imo.  But ONLY after you install the EZ shift.  Moves the dang thing back actually beyond the rear edge of the footboard so this big old 11 1/2 still got plenty of room.  I just find it much easier to move my foot back a little and press down to upshift.  With the EZ shift you really don't have to lift your foot - just slide it back and press down.  Can't ride without my EZ brake and EZ shift. :2vrolijk_21:

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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2007, 10:06:29 PM »

Heel shifting! All gears down, Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! No faster way to shift manually. ;) Hoist! 8)

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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2007, 10:13:57 PM »

Heel shifting! All gears down, Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! No faster way to shift manually. ;) Hoist! 8)

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My foot is retarded.  It don't know how to shift that way......
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2007, 10:17:00 PM »

Heel Shift 99% of the time.
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« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2007, 10:17:30 PM »

My foot is retarded.  It don't know how to shift that way......

Actually, when I got my first FL in '95 I had to get used to the heel shifter. Once I did, I loved it. My street bikes of course, have no heel shift. Never looking for the heel on the street bikes and never upshft with the toe on the FL. You can get used to everything. Hoist! 8)

The only time I toe shift is when the stupid heel shifter disappears on you. You go to shift and it's not there!
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2007, 10:44:00 PM »

it felt awkward at first coming from a softy with forward controls, but i find it easier to heel shift then to try and get my toe between the floor board and the front peg

Neal, please tell me you're joking here.

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2007, 10:46:57 PM »

Neal, please tell me you're joking here.

     OK, let's have a quick course in adjusting the controls to fit the individual rider. We'll call it " make the bike fit you 101 " You losen the socket head cap screw, pull off the lever, rotate it to whatever point clears your boot and then push it back on and tighten the screw.

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your right but if i lift it up enough to make up shifts comfy then its too high for comfy down shifts
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2007, 10:59:53 PM »

I actually meet this guy (the inventor) down in Daytona. Seemed like a nice guy.
He is A-OK in my book.  Last two bikes I had I couldn't wait until I could install the EZ products.  Just could not ride comfortably with the stock brake and shift levers.  the EZs are much, much more comfortable and easy to use imo.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2007, 11:08:45 PM »

I use the heel shifter all the time. I took the heel off on my old 1995 for a while, until I got the extended one. That made the difference. The extended lever makes it much more comfortable on long trips too.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2007, 12:17:29 AM »


I have been heel shifting for many years and when I ride other scoots that don't have heel shift ....feels weird to me

I guess it all goes back to what your use to but I am not big on shining shoes so no toe shifting here


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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2007, 05:57:30 AM »

Neal, please tell me you're joking here.

     OK, let's have a quick course in adjusting the controls to fit the individual rider. We'll call it " make the bike fit you 101 " You losen the socket head cap screw, pull off the lever, rotate it to whatever point clears your boot and then push it back on and tighten the screw.

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2007, 09:24:50 AM »

As I have told you previously, it is awkward at first but once you get used to it you will not want to do without.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2007, 09:43:03 AM »

Looks like I'm in the minority, but the heel shifter is gone.

Besides, I slide my boot up under the brake lever, scuffing up that toe. Toe shifting makes sure my boots are uniformly scuffed.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2007, 09:43:09 AM »

This is my first bike with a heel shifter. I find myself using about half and half. The EZ shift stuff listed earlier sure looks good though!!!!  Where is the best place to get these parts?
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2007, 09:47:48 AM »

Heel shift always :coolblue: Plus like sevaral other said saves on the boot poilshing :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2007, 09:53:31 AM »

Put me in the heel shifter column.  I only use the toe to find neutral.

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2007, 09:58:58 AM »

Wow People, I am shocked. Maybe it is like the full face helmet for me, I never would have thought I could get comfortable with it but I have. May have to reconsider getting the heel shifter out of the storeroom or better yet sounds like the EZ shift would be the way to try to get accustomed to it.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2007, 09:59:36 AM »

Toe.Cant get used to heel shift i only tried it on friends bikes tough.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2007, 10:01:46 AM »

Wow People, I am shocked. Maybe it is like the full face helmet for me, I never would have thought I could get comfortable with it but I have. May have to reconsider getting the heel shifter out of the storeroom or better yet sounds like the EZ shift would be the way to try to get accustomed to it.
Thanks for all the responses,
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2007, 10:04:51 AM »

As most of you guys know, I ride a Dyna.  My feet go to the highway pegs on "take off" so most of the time I heel shift.  It's not the same motion (you guys go down, I go up) but I still heel shift.  Only time I toe shift is when I'm racin'!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2007, 10:57:13 AM »


your right but if i lift it up enough to make up shifts comfy then its too high for comfy down shifts

Like me.......you just don't want to have to lift your foot off the floor board.  Just lift the toe for down shifting or the heel for up shifting, while the rest of the foot (and the weight of the leg) stay resting on the floorboard.

I used to use just the toe shifter until it was pointed out to me at an AHDRA race that toe/heel shifting is much faster.  Been shifting with the toe/heel sifter through three baggers, and a Heritage, every since.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2007, 11:03:53 AM »

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I used to use just the toe shifter until it was pointed out to me at an AHDRA race that toe/heel shifting is much faster.  Been shifting with the toe/heel sifter through three baggers, and a Heritage, every since.

I had felt/thought that I was faster using my heel to go through the gears those occasions when I wanted to go fast red light to red light, but didn't realize it was proven that you shift faster that away. I also think it's harder to miss a gear when you shift up this way, easier to apply force down w/your heel then it is to pull up w/your toe. Thanks for that info at least I know I've been doing something right. ;D

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2007, 11:18:00 AM »

Add another to the heel shifter column.  If it has floorboards, I'm heel shiftin'
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2007, 11:34:07 AM »

Nah, screw it, I'm happy with the toe shifter.


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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #45 on: March 27, 2007, 11:37:32 AM »

Tried and tried, but just could not get my foot trained to like the heel shifter...I did, however, adjust the toe shifter down a notch on the spline to get it as close to the top of my boot as possible without actually touching all the time.  Maybe it's the angle of how my short a$$ has to sit, and the position of my foot, but lifting my heel to get it on the shifter, and moving the foot back at the same time is just uncomfortable as hell.  Of course, I wear an 8.5 boot, so that make a lot of difference, I'm sure.  Toe shifting has got to be easier on the splines...

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #46 on: March 27, 2007, 12:50:10 PM »

Are ya sayin' this thing has a toe shifter????;D :D ;) ::)

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2007, 02:17:21 PM »

Toe shift only for me, I took the heel shift off, to many years without a heel shift, also gives me more room on the floor boards!
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #48 on: March 27, 2007, 02:21:07 PM »

Used to be toe but after getting used to the heel I like it.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2007, 03:33:25 PM »

Toe only....   I kept getting my high heels tangled in the heel shifter thingie....  (z-coils)    I kinda like te looks of the EZ brake pedal though.  Is it farther out than the stock '05 SEEG unit?  If so, I might just have to revisit the whole issue...   
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #50 on: March 27, 2007, 04:16:06 PM »

HEEL.  No not the dog...
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #51 on: March 27, 2007, 04:48:49 PM »

Poll has been added to get a count of what members here use. Please when you get a chance cast a vote so we can see what the majority of us are using. Thanks.

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #52 on: March 27, 2007, 04:51:15 PM »

Heel shift up, Toe shift down. Cleaner boots this way. Also you don't get mistaken for a Japanese bike rider, as they all have black marks on the top of thier left boot.

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #53 on: March 27, 2007, 05:03:20 PM »

Heel me in  ;)
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #54 on: March 27, 2007, 06:13:12 PM »

As most of you guys know, I ride a Dyna.  My feet go to the highway pegs on "take off" so most of the time I heel shift.  It's not the same motion (you guys go down, I go up) but I still heel shift.  Only time I toe shift is when I'm racin'!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Oh sorry .... going no more than 99.9 mph!  :angel:

Speak for yourself there - don't be putting words (or anything else...) in my mouth  ;)

I've been heel shifting since 1984 when I got my Guzzi Cali 2 (first "big" :-\ bike)

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #55 on: March 27, 2007, 07:12:19 PM »

Toe shift about 99.99% of the time.  I just can't tear myself to take the heel shift lever off though.   :-\
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #56 on: March 27, 2007, 07:53:38 PM »

it felt awkward at first coming from a softy with forward controls, but i find it easier to heel shift then to try and get my toe between the floor board and the front peg
I feel the same. Once you get used to heel shift, it's great. Also saves the top of your boots.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #57 on: March 27, 2007, 08:41:38 PM »

Had to take it off immediately, my gunboats are too big!
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #58 on: March 27, 2007, 08:52:57 PM »

Took a little getting used to at first, but have been heel shifting for years. 

Sometimes ride a bike with forward controls, and I like the heel shifter better.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #59 on: March 29, 2007, 03:29:38 AM »

I've also been heeled.  First bike with heel toe shifter and floorboards, first time off the bat, had to think about the shift.  Only that one time.  Never looked back.  Havn't been on a bike without now for five years, not sure I could learn toe shifting now, but then again, nore do I really want to.  One of the plusses in my opinion to my bike is the floorboards and the heel toe shifter.   :)  To each their own.   :o
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #60 on: March 29, 2007, 12:09:16 PM »

Took my heel shifter off first week, guess you just can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Just curious, which do all of you use?  :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:


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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #61 on: March 29, 2007, 01:20:10 PM »

I'm obviously in the minority.  Heel shift every time
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #62 on: March 29, 2007, 08:04:42 PM »

I'm obviously in the minority.  Heel shift every time

Actually, according to the stats in the poll, you are in the majority... I seem to be in the minority by not using the heel shifter. :^)

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #63 on: March 29, 2007, 08:21:39 PM »

I use both. I took the rear shifter off on the Seeg because my left foot was getting too claustrophobic. I also find it much easier to preload the front shifter with top of foot for power shifting on hard acceleration runs. It snaps into gear much easier.

I have both heel/toe shifters on the Heritage though, usually use heel to up shift & toe to downshift on that bike. Great for lazy Sunday rides.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #64 on: March 29, 2007, 08:37:28 PM »

Never have liked to heel shift.  Took the shifters off.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #65 on: March 30, 2007, 03:39:01 PM »

Always toe shifted, never had a bike that could heel shift before this one and the bike is relatively new to me(27 year break in between last bike and this one).  Took the bike out for a nice two hour spin today.  Here are my observations and thinking from an anatomical and physiological point of few (and gut too).

1.  To toe shift, the foot needs to go up against gravity and against the additional resistance of the shifter.  The muscles that perform this task are the anterior lower leg muscles, smaller muscles primarily meant to lift your foot up when walking.

2.  To heel shift, because my feet are big and my legs are long, I need to slightly flex my hip (power muscles-big and strong) to lift my heel up over the heel shifter, then push down with mainly my hamstrings (again, big strong power muscles) and with gravity assistance against the same shifter resistance.

so, toe shift= weaker muscle against gravity with additional shifter resistance = more work = more energy expended= ?quicker fatigue factor

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heel shift = big powerful muscles, with gravity assist, against same shifter resistance = less work = less energy = ?less fatigue

3.  It just feels good to me to hit it with my heel.  There's a satisfaction there for some reason.

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #66 on: March 30, 2007, 04:09:55 PM »

As I have told you previously, it is awkward at first but once you get used to it you will not want to do without.


Could you please explain this to the group? This is your first post. Am I missing something?

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« Reply #67 on: March 30, 2007, 04:20:40 PM »


Could you please explain this to the group? This is your first post. Am I missing something?

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #68 on: March 30, 2007, 05:09:50 PM »

Heel to shift up and toe to shift down.  I have big feet and I don't want my front shifter to aim at the sky. So adjust this BB.  Later,Q
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #69 on: March 30, 2007, 11:09:41 PM »


Could you please explain this to the group? This is your first post. Am I missing something?

AJ, you big bully.  Quit picking on the newbie.  It's obvious that in his two posts to date

I have gotten a HOG discount from the dealer in Gaylord, MI after spending $300 and I do not live there.  But in Memphis there is no discount.  All purchases of any size I go with Chicago, as do most of the people I know here.   

As I have told you previously, it is awkward at first but once you get used to it you will not want to do without.

the latter suggests clairvoyance and mental telepathy.  You gots to THINK it man!
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« Reply #70 on: March 30, 2007, 11:18:13 PM »

AJ, you big bully.  Quit picking on the newbie.  It's obvious that in his two posts to date

the latter suggests clairvoyance and mental telepathy.  You gots to THINK it man!

Dude, thinking isn't always my strong suit.

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« Reply #71 on: March 30, 2007, 11:59:48 PM »

Dude, thinking isn't always my strong suit.

Don't feel bad AJ.  When I meet someone that really needs mental telepathy I try to sit on their head.  That's how I get my brain close to theirs.
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You know there are some on the west side of the Mississippi that don't what the word clairvoyance means.

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« Reply #73 on: March 31, 2007, 12:55:58 AM »

You know there are some on the west side of the Mississippi that don't what the word clairvoyance means.

You shouldn't be talking about Californians and all their hippy chit that way man.  It's just rude.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #74 on: March 31, 2007, 07:47:25 AM »

This is my first bike with a heel shifter. I find myself using about half and half. The EZ shift stuff listed earlier sure looks good though!!!!  Where is the best place to get these parts?

I don't know if this is the best-never dealt with them but plan geeting one from them unless someone else here has the knowledge.  Google searched it, they all seem about the same (actually, there aren't that many that showed up), this one offers free shipping and handling (there is an earlier post that had this supplier but prices were not listed).

http://bellsouthpwp.net/e/z/ezbrake/intro.htm

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #75 on: March 31, 2007, 12:07:21 PM »


Could you please explain this to the group? This is your first post. Am I missing something?

AJ, just catching up reading post. I think I can explain; this newbie is a friend of mine and we were debating the heel /toe shifter. He has used his heel for years and I'd removed mine day one. I told him I will pose the question on the CVO site, which I did. I'm sure his "As I have told you previously" was from our recent conversation. Been trying to get him in here for a couple of years, saying what a great group of people were here. He finally dives in and you jump the newbies butt on his first post. He will probably never come back. OK AJ, say your sorry. :ROFLOL:
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #76 on: August 01, 2007, 09:56:38 PM »

Not used to a heel shifter, so I always find myself using the toe shifter...
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #77 on: August 01, 2007, 11:17:00 PM »

My old age, arthritis and habit make the heal shifter to painful to use, so its the toe shifter for me. Anybody want to buy a never used heal shifter?

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #78 on: August 02, 2007, 06:32:52 AM »

On my FLSTS (Heritage Springer) I used heel and toe all the time, it was great.  Now I own the SERK I only use the toe and I put this down to the difference in riding position.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #79 on: August 02, 2007, 08:17:47 AM »

When I first got my Street Glide, I was going to have the heel shift removed , never has a bike with one and it seemed akward. The folks at the dealer said ..wait a while give it a chance. Now I love it , heel going up toe going down.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #80 on: August 02, 2007, 08:55:59 AM »

I like the heel shift. Something new for me after years on the Low Rider with forward controls.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #81 on: August 02, 2007, 08:59:36 AM »

Heel shift. Don't want to tear up toe of my Cruiserwork Boots! ;D
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #82 on: August 02, 2007, 09:14:43 AM »

Heal shift? I thought that was a boot scraper!! ;D  I took mine off for more room on the floorboards.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #83 on: August 02, 2007, 09:17:05 AM »

Heal shift? I thought that was a boot scraper!! ;D  I took mine off for more room on the floorboards.

I purchased an extended heel shift and lowered it.  Now I like the heel shift function.  The heel shift is 2 inches longer.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #84 on: August 02, 2007, 11:12:13 AM »

I have a theory about the heel shifter...I think it is one of the reasons some people have problems with the spline on the shifter mechanism.  More feel with the toe, and there is a tendency to just slam it down with weight when heel shifting.  It is very uncomfortable for me to use it...an unnatural action for me.  I leave it on there to use in case the other one falls off or something, but I've got them both loctited on....
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #85 on: August 02, 2007, 01:14:08 PM »

I'm a heel shifter.  It hurts the top of my toes to use the toe shift with just flip flops on. :orange: :pepper:
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #86 on: August 02, 2007, 01:36:35 PM »

I will occasionally shift up with my toe, but almost always shift up with the heel shifter...don't know if it is a boot shine deal or if I am lazy (probably lazy).

I have seen a few folks turn the heel shift lever all the way over so that it sets on top of the toe shift lever.  I guess this way they always have their spare with them.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #87 on: July 08, 2008, 04:48:20 PM »

OK, I have been drawn to the dark side. I removed the spacer and reinstalled the heel shifter recently and I have to say I like it. Guess you can teach an old dog new tricks. :2vrolijk_21:
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« Reply #88 on: July 08, 2008, 04:53:11 PM »

OK, I have been drawn to the dark side. I removed the spacer and reinstalled the heel shifter recently and I have to say I like it. Guess you can teach an old dog new tricks. :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #89 on: July 08, 2008, 04:58:27 PM »

Say it isn't so...... Next you'll be strapping furry animals to your tour pak. What's the world coming to? ;)

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ARRRRRRGGGHHHH!




Bet that offended someone here.

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« Reply #91 on: July 08, 2008, 05:02:14 PM »

In reference to this



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« Reply #92 on: July 08, 2008, 05:09:47 PM »

Chuck, which one are you calling the furry animal? ;D
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« Reply #93 on: July 08, 2008, 05:46:33 PM »

Chuck, which one are you calling the furry animal? ;D

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #94 on: July 08, 2008, 05:52:18 PM »

OK, I have been drawn to the dark side. I removed the spacer and reinstalled the heel shifter recently and I have to say I like it. Guess you can teach an old dog new tricks. :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #95 on: July 08, 2008, 05:54:56 PM »

No heel shift for me, never used them always took them off. Habit from the old days.

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #96 on: July 08, 2008, 05:57:09 PM »

Got started on metrics and just got use to toe shift only

It took me a while to figure what that extra shift lever was for

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #97 on: July 08, 2008, 06:01:21 PM »

OK, I have been drawn to the dark side. I removed the spacer and reinstalled the heel shifter recently and I have to say I like it. Guess you can teach an old dog new tricks. :2vrolijk_21:

HeHe! That's funny! I used to always use mine. I removed it a few month's back and don't miss it. Love the extra room too! I changed my vote! :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #98 on: July 08, 2008, 07:31:01 PM »

Used to use the heel shift, tired of scraping floorboards, installed forward controls last year at MB and have been toe shifting ever since
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #99 on: July 08, 2008, 08:17:04 PM »

I just cannot get comfortable lifting my heel up and on the rear arm...always feel I am gonna jam it to the floorboard without an actual shift...due to stripping it.

Probably use it more when cruising with the legs on the Highway bars...
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #100 on: July 08, 2008, 08:22:59 PM »

Hate to be Captain Obvious here.............but it depends on which motorcycle I'm riding.  If riding Thumper, I heel upshift.  If riding the Sportster, I toe upshift.

I remember when I got the 02 Ultra I hated the notion of heel upshift, so I removed that lever and upshifted with my toe.  Enter Thumper.  Figured I'd give it a try, and I'm glad I did.  I like it much better than toe upshift.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #101 on: July 08, 2008, 08:44:10 PM »

I didn't heel shift until approx 1 year ago. Now I mess up when I'm riding one without a heel shifter unless it's my 84 Low Glide. Go figure!

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #102 on: July 08, 2008, 08:45:42 PM »

Sometimes I do, But not always. The rest of the time, I simply do it the other way. But, if I'm on the other bike, I'm exactly the opposite, but not always.

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« Reply #103 on: July 08, 2008, 08:59:00 PM »

Sometimes I do, But not always. The rest of the time, I simply do it the other way. But, if I'm on the other bike, I'm exactly the opposite, but not always.

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« Reply #104 on: July 08, 2008, 09:15:31 PM »

Only the toe. But I have been called a heel. :bananarock:
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #105 on: July 08, 2008, 10:07:15 PM »

I'm embarrassed to tell you what attracted me to the dark side. While at CHL I kept missing gears when riding aggressively in the twisties, when I got back I told Rosey to check the Baker that he'd just installed because of the reason stated above. He said the Baker was fine try heel up shifting and he'd bet the problem would be alleviated. He was right but it is not easy to get used to, I've found I have to force myself to use it because after 45 years of toe shifting it just ain't natural.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #106 on: July 09, 2008, 05:02:21 AM »

 I remove my heel shift the day I get the bike.Toe shift only for these size 13's. More room to move my left foot around. THE MUFFMAN
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #107 on: July 09, 2008, 06:14:18 AM »

I'm embarrassed to tell you what attracted me to the dark side. While at CHL I kept missing gears when riding aggressively in the twisties, when I got back I told Rosey to check the Baker that he'd just installed because of the reason stated above. He said the Baker was fine try heel up shifting and he'd bet the problem would be alleviated. He was right but it is not easy to get used to, I've found I have to force myself to use it because after 45 years of toe shifting it just ain't natural.

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« Reply #108 on: July 09, 2008, 06:42:24 AM »

Toe shift, I took the heel shifter off the next day after i bought the bike and put the chrome cap over the bare stud.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #109 on: July 09, 2008, 10:40:14 AM »

Legs forward--heel,toe. Learned it on the 77 FLH where there is not enough room under the shifter to get my boots. I know it can be adjusted, but I like it where it is. I had a Dyna, and had fwd controls added. (no heel shift) Hated it for a lot of reasons. Only kept it 6 months.

Legs back--Toe shift. Really no choice there anyway.
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« Reply #110 on: July 09, 2008, 11:03:07 AM »

If I did not have the EZ shift set-up I'd definitely not like the heel shifter.  But with the extended and lowered shift lever it is great.  Lots more room on the footboard and very quick to shift.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #111 on: July 09, 2008, 11:15:58 AM »

Mark, if you never get out of first gear, you don't need a shifter at all!  ;D

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« Reply #112 on: July 09, 2008, 11:31:07 AM »

Ken, when I was going downhill I was afraid I'd break something. ;D

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« Reply #114 on: July 09, 2008, 10:04:25 PM »

When I first got a Harley I didn't think I would like the heel shifter, but after using it that's all I use to shift with. Shift up with heel, and shift down w/toe. Keeps your boots/shoes from getting messed up also. :2vrolijk_21: ;D

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #115 on: July 10, 2008, 03:52:13 PM »

Took my heel shifter off first week, guess you just can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Just curious, which do all of you use?  :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #116 on: July 10, 2008, 04:01:00 PM »

The only downside to heel shift that I have found so far is footboard room. And thanks to Jerry, I ordered the EZ shift and brake yesterday. I'm really surprised how quickly I've gotten used to the heel shift.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #117 on: July 12, 2008, 08:20:25 AM »

Toe shifter
Had a heel toe once didn't care for it much

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #118 on: July 12, 2008, 09:59:07 AM »

Toe only (as my left boot indicates).  Keep the heel shifter on for the obvious 'spare' reasons mentioned above........and, it's a nice chrome piece........seems like going in the wrong direction to be 'removing' chrome.   :ohar!  :drink: spyder
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #119 on: July 12, 2008, 10:02:07 AM »

Toe only (as my left boot indicates).  Keep the heel shifter on for the obvious 'spare' reasons mentioned above........and, it's a nice chrome piece........seems like going in the wrong direction to be 'removing' chrome.   :ohar!  :drink: spyder

You're not removing chrome spyde, you're removing unecessary weight, which let's you go faster! ::) ;D ;)

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #120 on: July 12, 2008, 10:22:45 AM »

Went on a ride yesterday with BB, Hogbreath, JR, Ultrafxr to show BB the local sites and I noticed I never used the heel shifter a single time. I only seem to use it when a conscience effort is taken to remember it is there, maybe teaching an old dog a new trick isn't so easy. :nixweiss:
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #121 on: July 13, 2008, 11:33:30 AM »

If anyone is looking for extended shifters, check out www.bakercustominc.com.
I ordered the f & r extended ones and now have plenty of room on the floorboards
and the quality is very good. They are as light weight as the factory billet shifters
but the chrome finish is better. The edges are squared off and they just look beefer
than the factory ones. Also ordered the chrome behind shift spacer to replace the
rubber spacer. I highly recommend these products. IMHO


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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #122 on: July 13, 2008, 11:42:41 AM »

Question for Twolane.......


if you use the toe and heel shifter, does that mean you go both ways?
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #123 on: July 13, 2008, 12:02:19 PM »

If anyone is looking for extended shifters, check out www.bakercustominc.com.
I ordered the f & r extended ones and now have plenty of room on the floorboards
and the quality is very good. They are as light weight as the factory billet shifters
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than the factory ones. Also ordered the chrome behind shift spacer to replace the
rubber spacer. I highly recommend these products. IMHO


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Interesting, I installed the EZ shift yesterday and this product looks exactly the same but they don't offer a brake extender like EZ. I like their choice of ext choices.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #124 on: July 13, 2008, 01:31:43 PM »

WHY do you need an EZ shifter? I never knew it was hard to shift anyhow. Does your toe get tired after a long day?  ;D Maybe you guys need an automatic transmission?  ;D
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #125 on: July 13, 2008, 01:39:48 PM »

WHY do you need an EZ shifter? I never knew it was hard to shift anyhow. Does your toe get tired after a long day?  ;D Maybe you guys need an automatic transmission?  ;D

For me the benefit is to get the heel shifter back off the footboard. I'm accustomed to having an open footboard without a heel shift on.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #126 on: July 13, 2008, 02:24:27 PM »

For me the benefit is to get the heel shifter back off the footboard. I'm accustomed to having an open footboard without a heel shift on.

I have the EZ shifter also...but only did the front. Good stuff...like the brake more then the shifter. 

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #127 on: July 13, 2008, 03:02:35 PM »

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #128 on: July 13, 2008, 03:04:55 PM »

WHY do you need an EZ shifter? I never knew it was hard to shift anyhow. Does your toe get tired after a long day?  ;D Maybe you guys need an automatic transmission?  ;D

No my toe does not get tired, but I never liked riding to work with shift marks
on top of my left shoe.   And sure an auotmatic would be nice, but would
probably take away HP. And I believe REVLOC already makes an automatic
clutch.

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #129 on: July 13, 2008, 08:31:50 PM »

No my toe does not get tired, but I never liked riding to work with shift marks
on top of my left shoe.   And sure an auotmatic would be nice, but would
probably take away HP. And I believe REVLOC already makes an automatic
clutch.

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Sounds like you need a Pingel shifter.

http://www.pingelcnc.com/pingelonline/video_flh_closeup.htm

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #130 on: July 13, 2008, 09:19:57 PM »

Sounds like you need a Pingel shifter.

http://www.pingelcnc.com/pingelonline/video_flh_closeup.htm

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I like to do my own shifting, but I also wish I could shift that fast.

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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #131 on: July 18, 2008, 10:43:52 PM »

Until I experienced an issue with heel shifting I was all about that...however I have changed due to this matter.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #132 on: July 18, 2008, 10:46:44 PM »

Until I experienced an issue with heel shifting I was all about that...however I have changed due to this matter.
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #133 on: July 18, 2008, 10:48:06 PM »

Until I experienced an issue with heel shifting I was all about that...however I have changed due to this matter.

Come on Jock, what it be? ???
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Re: Do You Heel Or Toe Shift?
« Reply #134 on: July 19, 2008, 07:21:16 PM »

For me the benefit is to get the heel shifter back off the footboard. I'm accustomed to having an open footboard without a heel shift on.

Never thought I was a heel shifter Mark, but I stomped on the rear of the left footboard on Elvis 50 times if I did it once.

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