Topic: California Motorcycle Smog Check Bill - This sucks!!! (Read 9189 times)

erniezap · « **on:** May 22, 2009, 01:09:42 PM »

Senate Bill 435 (Motorcycle Smog Testing Bill) Scheduled for Hearing on May 28th in Appropriations Committee!!

This bill, which would require all model year 2000 and newer motorcycles over 280 cc's to be smog tested every 2 years, has been scheduled for a hearing in the Senate Finance committee on May 28th.

You can find the AMA’s “click to send” message in opposition to this bill at http://capwiz.com/amacycle//issues/alert/?alertID=12937506.

Even if you have previously sent a message please consider doing so again. A phone call, letter or fax to your Senator's office would also be very helpful. Go to http://www.senate.ca.gov/~newsen/senators/senators.htp to find your representatives contact information.

Go to http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/pagequery?type=sen_bilinfo&site=sen&title=Bill+Information for the latest bill information.

VAZHOG · « **Reply #1 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:38:35 PM »

The State that Needs revenue--This will fill the bill--Looks like it may be time to relocate. When the 02 sensors & Cats went on in 06? why would think this is a surprize.

erniezap · « **Reply #2 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:44:02 PM »

I fully expected that CA would implement motorcycle smog checks. What I don't like is that any motorcycle from 2000 up will be required to be smogged, not just the new bikes.

9 1/2 Beers · « **Reply #3 on:** May 22, 2009, 04:00:36 PM »

having just completed (yeah right as if I'm ever done) mod's, and I did keep parts, I find it to be a chicken chit move to retro smog requirements. How about the moco and the gov get together and build a bike the can run on it's own (power,no heat,no pinging) and then we can smog them and be able to ride them also.

mad as hell
Marty

grc · « **Reply #4 on:** May 22, 2009, 05:14:37 PM »

This is exactly why I've recommended for quite some time now that folks making modifications keep all the original parts. If this bill passes those folks with older heavily modified bikes could find themselves spending a ton to get their bikes to pass.

I find it to be really chicken chit to make stuff like this retroactive, versus phasing it in for current and future models only. Hopefully the saner members of the legislature (I just realized what a stupid comment that was) will decide this is both unfair and unlikely to make even the tiniest dent in air pollution.

Jerry

erniezap · « **Reply #5 on:** May 22, 2009, 05:29:02 PM »

Quote from: grc on May 22, 2009, 05:14:37 PM

This is exactly why I've recommended for quite some time now that folks making modifications keep all the original parts. If this bill passes those folks with older heavily modified bikes could find themselves spending a ton to get their bikes to pass.

I find it to be really chicken chit to make stuff like this retroactive, versus phasing it in for current and future models only. Hopefully the saner members of the legislature (I just realized what a stupid comment that was) will decide this is both unfair and unlikely to make even the tiniest dent in air pollution.

Jerry

I hope that you are right in that they do it for current and future only. If not, I guess both bikes will be registered out of state instead of only 1...

RidinRuby · « **Reply #6 on:** May 22, 2009, 11:26:34 PM »

Thanks for the heads up on this bullchit, sent my email.

hwyfever · « **Reply #7 on:** May 23, 2009, 03:35:57 PM »

E-mail has been sent...

pimmer · « **Reply #8 on:** May 23, 2009, 06:52:49 PM »

email sent, what bullchit

fourstar · « **Reply #9 on:** May 31, 2009, 01:01:55 AM »

   CURRENT BILL STATUS

MEASURE   : S.B. No. 435
AUTHOR(S)   : Pavley (Coauthor: Senator Lowenthal).
TOPIC   : Smog check program: motorcycles.
HOUSE LOCATION   : SEN
+LAST AMENDED DATE : 05/28/2009

TYPE OF BILL :
Active
Non-Urgency
Non-Appropriations
Majority Vote Required
State-Mandated Local Program
Fiscal
Non-Tax Levy

LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 05/28/2009
LAST HIST. ACTION : From committee: Do pass as amended. (Ayes 7. Noes
   5.) Read second time. Amended. To third reading.
FILE   : SEN THIRD READING
FILE DATE   : 06/01/2009
ITEM   :   117

COMM. LOCATION   : SEN APPROPRIATIONS
COMM. ACTION DATE : 05/28/2009
COMM. ACTION   : Do pass as amended.
COMM. VOTE SUMMARY : Ayes: 07   Noes: 05   PASS

TITLE   : An act to amend Sections 44010.5, 44011, 44012, and
   44062.3 of, and to add Section 44012.5 to, the Health
   and Safety Code, and to amend Section 4000.1 of the
   Vehicle Code, relating to air pollution.

Wrongway · « **Reply #10 on:** May 31, 2009, 01:57:08 AM »

F...K

Just more money out of my ever thinning wallet. They sure want me to move out of this state. Ever pushing the working class out.

PR3VS56 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 31, 2009, 02:23:39 AM »

"A visual or functional check is made of emission control devices specified by the department, including the catalytic converter in those instances in which the department determines it to be necessary to meet the findings of Section 44001. The visual or functional check shall be performed in accordance with procedures prescribed by the department."

Translation: Better keep those cat pipes on hand.

sportygordy · « **Reply #12 on:** June 01, 2009, 05:15:19 PM »

The vote is/was today, anyone hear which way ?

chanman · « **Reply #13 on:** June 01, 2009, 05:39:07 PM »

whats next, smogging the lawn mowers?

miker · « **Reply #14 on:** June 01, 2009, 05:58:26 PM »

What has it done to the value of model year 99 bikes?

ak · « **Reply #15 on:** June 01, 2009, 06:36:49 PM »

Quote from: miker on June 01, 2009, 05:58:26 PM

What has it done to the value of model year 99 bikes?

Was on the verg of selling my 99 roadking Not now! 99 was the 1st year of the twin cam and my 99 still runs strong, no issuses at all with this bike--AK

sportygordy · « **Reply #16 on:** June 01, 2009, 07:12:21 PM »

I guess the bill did pass. The governor can shoot it down. Do you think Arnold will??? He owns a Harley Fat Boy

2009FLTRSE3 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 01, 2009, 08:01:30 PM »

I moved from the Socialist Rebublic of California 2 years ago. I advise all to do the same. You will miss having a starbuks on every corner but wont have to pay the stupid tax anymore.

Trapperdog · « **Reply #18 on:** June 01, 2009, 08:07:50 PM »

Quote from: ak on June 01, 2009, 06:36:49 PM

Was on the verg of selling my 99 roadking Not now! 99 was the 1st year of the twin cam and my 99 still runs strong, no issuses at all with this bike--AK

But then you would be down to what, 5 bikes? How would you manage?

ak · « **Reply #19 on:** June 01, 2009, 08:32:29 PM »

Quote from: trapperdog on June 01, 2009, 08:07:50 PM

But then you would be down to what, 5 bikes? How would you manage?

To get my 09 roadglide i promised the wife i,d sell a couple bike. 2000 ultra $75,000 1999 road king $65,000 Dang there still for sale. PM me if interested-AK

fourstar · « **Reply #20 on:** June 02, 2009, 01:02:29 AM »

Here's some info from today that has some good news. I can't vouch for it but if it's true it is better than it could have been.

California Drops Motorcycle Smog Check Proposal

by Paul Crowe - "The Kneeslider" on 6/1/2009

in Motorcycle Laws and Regulations

A few months ago, California State Senator Fran Pavley introduced legislation which would have required smog checks for all motorcycles of model year 2000 or newer, beginning in 2012. The proposal has been amended to authorize police officers to fine bikers who have removed catalytic converters but the smog test provision has been dropped after the senate objected. The senate approved the amended bill which now goes to the state assembly. If it passes there, the governor’s signature is all that’s needed.

Here's the link: Kneeslider

Trapperdog · « **Reply #21 on:** June 02, 2009, 11:56:11 AM »

Quote from: ak on June 01, 2009, 08:32:29 PM

To get my 09 roadglide i promised the wife i,d sell a couple bike. 2000 ultra $75,000 1999 road king $65,000 Dang there still for sale. PM me if interested-AK

Yea, but if they want the latest purse or pair of shoes, do they get rid of any of their old ones?

erniezap · « **Reply #22 on:** June 02, 2009, 11:59:23 AM »

Quote from: trapperdog on June 02, 2009, 11:56:11 AM

Yea, but if they want the latest purse or pair of shoes, do they get rid of any of their old ones?

Not going there! no way, no how...

Rooster · « **Reply #23 on:** June 02, 2009, 12:36:25 PM »

sgchick · « **Reply #24 on:** June 02, 2009, 01:16:29 PM »

Quote from: erniezap on June 02, 2009, 11:59:23 AM

Not going there! no way, no how...

You are one smart guy!!!

JCZ · « **Reply #25 on:** June 02, 2009, 04:00:57 PM »

Quote from: sgchick on June 02, 2009, 01:16:29 PM

You are one smart guy!!!

Yep, cuz Kimberly is reading all his posts now.

Wrongway · « **Reply #26 on:** June 02, 2009, 06:20:45 PM »

Quote from: trapperdog on June 02, 2009, 11:56:11 AM

Yea, but if they want the latest purse or pair of shoes, do they get rid of any of their old ones?

She can get all the shoes and purse's she wants for what these Eagles cost, then we accessorize the hell out them, the bikes to!

sgchick · « **Reply #27 on:** June 02, 2009, 06:42:12 PM »

Quote from: JCZ on June 02, 2009, 04:00:57 PM

Yep, cuz Kimberly is reading all his posts now.

LOL! That's funny JC!!! Hi Kimberly...Lookin' forward to seeing you in July if not before

sgchick · « **Reply #28 on:** June 02, 2009, 06:45:56 PM »

Quote from: Wrongway on June 02, 2009, 06:20:45 PM

She can get all the shoes and purse's she wants for what these Eagles cost, then we accessorize the hell out them, the bikes to!

Now see how it works honey??? Donna gets to get all the purses and shoes she wants....lol Thanks Dave

RidinRuby · « **Reply #29 on:** June 02, 2009, 08:09:48 PM »

WHOA Hey now lets slow this train down! All the sudden the wives are all gettin' new shoes and purses, next thing you know they will be after cars and jewelry!

Wrongway · « **Reply #30 on:** June 02, 2009, 08:34:37 PM »

Quote from: RidinRuby on June 02, 2009, 08:09:48 PM

WHOA Hey now lets slow this train down! All the sudden the wives are all gettin' new shoes and purses, next thing you know they will be after cars and jewelry!

What makes you think that hasn't happened already?

FLSTFI Dave · « **Reply #31 on:** June 03, 2009, 01:23:34 PM »

Mine did not want shoes, mine did not want clothes, mine did not want jewlery, mine did not want a car.

She wanted a 2009 Heritage.....and she got it

grc · « **Reply #32 on:** June 03, 2009, 01:34:52 PM »

Quote from: fourstar on June 02, 2009, 01:02:29 AM

Here's some info from today that has some good news. I can't vouch for it but if it's true it is better than it could have been.

California Drops Motorcycle Smog Check Proposal

by Paul Crowe - "The Kneeslider" on 6/1/2009

in Motorcycle Laws and Regulations

A few months ago, California State Senator Fran Pavley introduced legislation which would have required smog checks for all motorcycles of model year 2000 or newer, beginning in 2012. The proposal has been amended to authorize police officers to fine bikers who have removed catalytic converters but the smog test provision has been dropped after the senate objected. The senate approved the amended bill which now goes to the state assembly. If it passes there, the governor’s signature is all that’s needed.

Here's the link: Kneeslider

Now they've got me scatchin' my head again. Wonder how that fine officer of the law is going to determine the catalytic converter is missing? Do you suppose there is anyone in the legislature that is aware the cats on bikes aren't like the ones on cars? As in, many/most cats on bikes are built into the head pipes or the actual mufflers, and aren't a separate and easily identifiable part. On a '09 SEUC or SERG, for instance, even a non-stock muffler won't tell the officer that the cat has been removed. For that determination, he will need to bring his tools and risk burning his fingers.

Jerry

PR3VS56 · « **Reply #33 on:** June 04, 2009, 12:25:33 AM »

With the slightest bit of training, they'll know how to tell. Just carry a coat hanger, or a slim jim to push up the pipe. They'll know.

Diamondback · « **Reply #34 on:** June 04, 2009, 09:20:39 AM »

Yes it is easy to know on the touring bikes if the cat has been removed. What about all the aftermarket pipes?

Do they come in Cat versions or is this going to mean that all HD in Ca willhave HD pipes to meet the new law?

grandpadoc · « **Reply #35 on:** June 04, 2009, 11:04:40 AM »

Quote from: Diamondback on June 04, 2009, 09:20:39 AM

Yes it is easy to know on the touring bikes if the cat has been removed. What about all the aftermarket pipes?

Do they come in Cat versions or is this going to mean that all HD in Ca willhave HD pipes to meet the new law?

They just do a quick visual to make sure everything is looken stock. So the easy stuff for them would be air cleaners, pipes, canesters. As the testing evolves they can pick up tuners, cams...with the exhaust analyser. Doc

9 1/2 Beers · « **Reply #36 on:** June 10, 2009, 08:25:28 AM »

Dear Mr. Olgin:

«Salutation»

Thank you for your comments regarding your opposition to Senate Bill 435, which requires the Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) to incorporate Class III motorcycles from the 2000 model-year or newer into the smog check program. I appreciate it when constituents, like you, take the opportunity to share their concerns with me. You will be pleased to know I opposed this bill when it came before me in the Senate on June 1, 2009. Unfortunately, SB 435 passed the Senate on a 22 to 17 vote and is now in the Assembly.

California's efforts to decrease vehicular emissions as well as promoting alternative, greener transportation options are important to me. However, I agree with your concerns that this bill fails to address the larger problem of our state's emission pollution since motorcycles contribute less than 1.5 percent of all the mobile emission pollution despite representing approximately 3 percent of the statewide number of vehicles.

SB 435 mandates the smog check program on the newest motorcycles in California. These bikes are the only ones in the state equipped with catalytic converters and are typically the cleanest burning bikes on the road. Moreover, imposing the smog check program on such a small fraction of overall emissions will have a negligible impact on the problem with an unintended consequence of significant costs toward motorcycle owners and the state. Taxpayer monies would be needed to accommodate state agencies for administration costs, altering the vehicle registration process to track motorcycles, and funding the cost of repairs or retirement for eligible motorcycles that failed the inspection.

Thank you, again, for your comments. It is citizens like you who make the difference. If you have any other questions or concerns on this or any other state issue, please don't hesitate to contact me at (805) 494-8808.

As always, it is an honor to represent you in the State Senate.

Sincerely,

S

Tony Strickland

Senator, 19th District

PR3VS56 · « **Reply #37 on:** June 10, 2009, 10:13:22 AM »

Nice to know he voted against it.

I get the impression this bill isn't about pollution. It's just a back door way of cracking down on mc noise.

JCZ · « **Reply #38 on:** June 10, 2009, 10:32:57 AM »

Quote from: PR3VS56 on June 04, 2009, 12:25:33 AM

With the slightest bit of training, they'll know how to tell. Just carry a coat hanger, or a slim jim to push up the pipe. They'll know.

I don't think it'll be quite that easy. I'm inclined to think it'll end up more like the novelty beanie helmet. There were several municipalaties and the CHP that were a little over zealous with handing out tickets that members of ABATE and BOLT sued them and got injunctions against them. That's why law enforcement has backed away from giving tickets for illegal helmets.

I think the cat issue will be about the same. Some will get tickets (so called fix-it tickets), take the bike home, change what they need to to get it signed off, then put the mods back on again. Others will simply comply up front by leaving everything stock. While yet others will tie law enforcement up in court for years with it.....eventually getting their injunctions.

I also think the after market mfgs. will start making exhaust systems, etc. that have the cats in them but still perform better than stock.

PR3VS56 · « **Reply #39 on:** June 10, 2009, 11:17:13 AM »

I'm debating taking out my cat (or going with a 49 state headpipe). I have a TTS, and will re-tune if I do. What (besides more noise) do you think I'll gain? 1-2 hp/tq? Is it worth it? Would it improve my mileage? Move the tq curve out (less backpressure)?

Looking for real world experience from anyone who has done this. Thanks!!

Diamondback · « **Reply #40 on:** June 10, 2009, 11:27:36 AM »

On my 09 SE Ultra, just removing the Cat increased the noise a small amount (it has slip on Rineharts before and after). I definitely noticed an increase in the low end power.

I installed the Stage I AC and the PC V with auotune and the gas mileage went up not down. I believe you will notice the difference immediately. I assume you have a Stage one AC with the TTS.

And the bike runs cooler. A plus in SOuth Texas where today it is suppose to get to 98 and 90% humidity.

PR3VS56 · « **Reply #41 on:** June 10, 2009, 11:41:11 AM »

Quote from: Diamondback on June 10, 2009, 11:27:36 AM

I assume you have a Stage one AC with the TTS.

Yes, Doherty Power Pac + the 2" Fullsacs.

Thanks for the feedback.

GregKhougaz · « **Reply #42 on:** June 10, 2009, 12:22:58 PM »

According to Biker & Motorcycle Lawyer Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq. and published in the "Biker Law Blog:"

http://www.bikerlawblog.com/index.php/biker-laws/california+sb+435:

"** 6/2/09 Update: California State Senator Fran Pavley a few months ago made herself motorcycle public enemy number one in California after she introduced legislation that would have required smog checks for all motorcycles of model year 2000 or newer. The bill proposed to start enforcing the measure in 2012, but that has now been changed.

The proposal has been amended to authorize police officers to fine bikers who have removed catalytic converters, instead of requiring the emissions testing. The senate approved the amended bill which now goes to the state assembly. If it passes there, the Governors signature is all that will be needed to make it law.."

PR3VS56 · « **Reply #43 on:** June 10, 2009, 12:25:08 PM »

Liberal. Figures.

On the left, the author of the legislation. Draw your own conclusions:

miker · « **Reply #44 on:** June 10, 2009, 12:51:08 PM »

Back to buying up all the 99's I can find for yall...

Brinks · « **Reply #45 on:** June 10, 2009, 01:16:12 PM »

Total BS, I feel for you riders in CA

ygeorgey · « **Reply #46 on:** July 02, 2009, 12:38:45 PM »

Here is a link you California riders may want to view. http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_member.php?cs_id=25978

ygeorgey · « **Reply #47 on:** July 02, 2009, 12:44:38 PM »

This is another article relating to the measure.
http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/06/01/california-drops-motorcycle-smog-check-proposal/

grandpadoc · « **Reply #48 on:** July 02, 2009, 02:45:34 PM »

Quote from: ygeorgey on July 02, 2009, 12:44:38 PM

This is another article relating to the measure.
http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/06/01/california-drops-motorcycle-smog-check-proposal/

I'm not one but I wonder what its like to be a democrat.

Doc

jettjocky · « **Reply #49 on:** July 02, 2009, 04:24:12 PM »

I love to ride out there, just beautiful, but in my opinion their elected officals are just a bunch of jerks, (which I guess does reflect on the voters that put them into office, sorry) they spend most of the time trying to figure out additional ways to get into everyone business and to control every aspect of everyone's life, so much time in fact they somehow did not notice they have been spending more each year for the past ten years than they bring in, daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... two places that have lost complete touch with the real world, Cal. (smog bill) & Washington D.C. .($ 175.00 tax on each cow,....... because it farts) And we wonder why we are in so much trouble.

Harleydude001 · « **Reply #50 on:** July 16, 2009, 07:59:16 PM »

Whoa guys, State Bill 435 does NOT say that your bike has to have a CC it states "Requires that all motor vehicles powered by an internal combustion engine, including Class III motorcycles model years 2000 and newer, pass smog biennially (Sec. 2, 4). that it must pass" and it was all of the Democraps that passed this bill.

And for my 07 Street Glide I'm screwed, sold the pipes on ebay to some guy in Russia, for my 09 SERG gonna hold onto the CC that I replaced with 09 '96 cu.in. pipes off a stock bike and if it fails then at least I can put the original stuff on for two years. What a communist State I live in..... of course I have a choice..LEAVE, man I hate I have a good job.

sportygordy · « **Reply #51 on:** July 16, 2009, 11:23:47 PM »

Quote from: ygeorgey on July 02, 2009, 12:38:45 PM

Here is a link you California riders may want to view. http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_member.php?cs_id=25978

Theres the tail of the tape.. now you know who SUCKS

I hope our Govie has the balls to turn this into a sour note

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