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[JCZ]

I had back surgery (two discs removed) about 22 yrs. ago and while I was good to go for a number of years after that, the back pain has gradually creeped back in and progressed to the point where at times, riding is just excruciating.

Couple that with a serious motorcycle accident about six years ago where I was busted up real bad and now have permanent nerve damage in my left leg and left foot.

I often wonder.....just how much longer I'm going to be able to ride.  Mentally, I'm determined to not let it take me down and I just grit my teeth and push on through it.  But physically......I really don't know how much longer I can be able to ride at will.  I'm sure, at some point, there will come a time when I'll not be able to ride for a day (or days) due to pain but can still ride at other times.

I've also wondered who else has physical ailments where they're in the same place.....wondering how much longer.  Or are they already there...at a place where their riding is impaired or restricted in distance or time because of the ailments?  Let's hear it guys......you're not alone.

Vagabond's recent thread regarding his hearing is what pushed me to go ahead and start this thread.  Vagabond......we're praying that your options will be successful enough that you're able to ride again.

[LovemyCVOgirl]

I had back surgery (two discs removed) about 22 yrs. ago and while I was good to go for a number of years after that, the back pain has gradually creeped back in and progressed to the point where at times, riding is just excruiating.

Couple that with a serious motorcycle accident about six years ago where I was busted up real bad and now have permanent nerve damage in my left leg and left foot.

I often wonder.....just how much longer I'm going to be able to ride.  Mentally, I'm determined to not let it take me down and I just grit my teeth and push on through it.  But physically......I really don't know how much longer I can be able to ride at will.  I'm sure, at some point, there will come a time when I'll not be able to ride for a day (or days) due to pain but can still ride at other times.

I've also wondered who else has physical ailments where they're in the same place.....wondering how much longer.  Or are they already there...at a place where their riding is impaired or restricted in distance or time because of the ailments?  Let's hear it guys......you're not alone.

Vagabond's recent thread regarding his hearing is what pushed me to go ahead and start this thread.  Vagabond......we're praying that your options will be successful enough that you're able to ride again.

JC, I hear your pain and I ask myself that question multiple times in one day.  I know your mc is your passion and we never want it taken away by any other reason than one we choose, but sometimes our bodies talk to us and tell us the truth about things that we don't want to hear, it's called PAIN.  I wish you many more years of happy and hopefully pain free riding.

[miker]

Post op of the hole in my head has slowed me down quite a bit, lots of fatigue and headaches....2 tanks of gas a day and thats it, I am wiped. I see no iron butt in my future and I am ok with that, a future will be good enough for me even when I have to hang it up.
I am ready to sell the '35 because the oldster is a challenge to ride for me now.  Good luck to us all.. Live every day...the one who dies with the most birthdays wins, not toys

[sleepybare]

Last October I was diagnosed with Stage 4 Lung Cancer and have been undergoing chemo treatments since. This is my second round with cancer having throat and neck cancer a couple of years ago. The Cancer has now expanded into various parts of my body and one of the recent effects seems to be to the nerves which run through the chest cavity and into my shoulders and arms. I have found that the pain in my shoulders from holding onto the bars after an hour or so of riding becomes almost unbearable even with the use of pain medication which I am really against when on two wheels. I have been riding since I was a kid and am enjoying my seventh Harley at this time.   My wife loves to ride also  and we am out on the bike almost every weekend for short rides if just to breakfast or lunch. Although I am not capable of any extended trips at this time the thought of being on the road with my friends is always there.  I have considered the idea of a Trike but somehow it just does not seem to be the same.   Additionally,  I am not excited with the idea of giving up either the bike and this life experience anytime in the near future but one never knows. The Quacks I see on a regular basis have not been much help and the prognosis is not good for the future but I figure I will hold onto what is near and dear to me as long as I can. I  guess it is just a matter of time before age catches up with each of us in some way or the other.

[Big Dog]

As far as physical ailments, I've been pretty lucky, the one concern I do have is that I've never been able to see out of my left eye, makes shoulder checking a bit more strenuous as I have to really turn my head to see but I would see a faint image if there was a vehicle there so I've had to rely of my right eye to do the checking. As I age, my right eye gradually deteriorates but if I would ever have something happen to it, such as a flying rock hit me in the right eye, I'd be blind, so I've always had a good pair of riding glasses and been getting used to riding with a full face helmet. When my wife passed away suddenly in 2009, I learned very quickly how precious life is and how fast it all can be taken away from you. When I can't do it anymore because of something debilitating, I guess I would have to get a nice convertible to be in the wind, not the same feeling but it would have to do. Old age ain't for sissies!!!

[spydglide]

Oh man, JC, this thread is a 'downer'....because I'm right in there with you guys.  They're treating my left eye right now, trying to restore some vision due to 'something' right in the middle that is obstructing my vision.  Glaucoma for past 20+ years don't help the prognosis a bit.  Neither did my mc accident with the cage less than a year ago that my 70 yr. old body is trying to recover from.....but, I can still putt for day rides as long as they're not iron-butt cross country deals like I use to be able to do.  No more.  Just hurts too much and can't safetly ride into the darkness and bad weather like before.  But, as long as we can putt at all, we're blessed and need to quit whinning.  As Harry says:  get off the porch, even if you can no longer run with the big (fast) dogs.    har.  spyder

[2k]

I almost didn't post this after reading the above, as my pain now seems very trivial. 2 compound fractures of my right arm, 8 months apart in the early 70's made riding for over 2 hrs impossible. Since the availability of cruise in the early 90's, I have no problems. Wow, you guys desire to ride impresses me to no end. Makes my injury seem like a birthday party.

[Midnight Rider]

Slipped disc in my lower back for the past 25 years causes issues from time to time, but hasn't since my last steroid treatment 3 years ago.  When it does flare up though, I'm down in a chair for at least two days.  Can't imagine trying to sit on a bike all day.  Right eye is messed up and can't get better than 20/60 out of it, and even then things are kinda' distorted...but, the left eye is dominant now, so my brain is compensating.

Mostly, I just get all "stove up" after too long of a day riding.  I can still do those 500 mile days if I have to, but I much prefer days in the 250-300 mile range when traveling.  Much over that becomes more of an endurance test rather than a pleasant day.

Other than that...I've always had a small/weak bladder, but since having the Big C in my bladder 7 years ago (still clear), my frequency of stops has increased, and is only getting worse.  Not debilitating, just aggravating, and doesn't lend itself to long group rides very well.  I guess Depends would be an option...

[dlaws01]

Former back injury from a bike crash when I lived in California causes me to take about 10-15 mg of hydrocodone before I head out for a ride or the ride isn't comfortable at all.  I guess the solo bare bones seat doesn't help any either.  I know that most of the time we have a tendency to keep our pain and it's restrictions to ourselves and try to push on.  I think this is a good thread for those of us to network about this subject.  Maybe as some of us progress to that point where two wheels is no longer an option, we can hope that maybe trikes might extend the ride for a few more years.

[spydglide]

Other than that...I've always had a small/weak bladder, but since having the Big C in my bladder 7 years ago (still clear), my frequency of stops has increased, and is only getting worse.  Not debilitating, just aggravating, and doesn't lend itself to long group rides very well.  I guess Depends would be an option...

Or you could just ride with me and some of the ole dude's I ride with....we stop more often now than we did when we rode choppers with peanut tanks (and it ain't for gas and beer either).  har.  spyder

[Porschestan]

Wow everyone...truly this is an eye opener..I would say that most of us have our own aches and pains, some more some less.  But the absolute love of the ride presented here is amazing.  It's certainly no fun getting older with the inherent ageing of our bodies.  That's why after not riding for so many, many years I gave up on my new starter bike went directly to the CVO...what was I going to do?..trade up when I am 70? don't think so..
Many good wishes to you all..

[spydglide]

Wow everyone...truly this is an eye opener..I would say that most of us have our own aches and pains, some more some less.  But the absolute love of the ride presented here is amazing.  It's certainly no fun getting older with the inherent ageing of our bodies.  That's why after not riding for so many, many years I gave up on my new starter bike went directly to the CVO...what was I going to do?..trade up when I am 70? don't think so..
Many good wishes to you all..

yeah, like Miker and the '35 oldster'......you gotta do what makes sense sometimes.  spyder

[dlaws01]

Dang, Spyder, I had no clue you were so ancient!  I'll start using Sir from now on when referring to you.   

[spydglide]

Dang, Spyder, I had no clue you were so ancient!  I'll start using Sir from now on when referring to you.   

My 'Sir' status was many moons ago.....'ole fart' works for most that know me (among other things I can't repeat on a family site.  har.  spyder

[Skillet]

Still recovering from a wreck on my Sturgis. Shoulder and ribs and both groin muscles. Nothing as serious as some but can feel it at 62.

[dayne66]

Apparently; I'm a wimp...compared to some that just won't quit!

[Midnight Rider]

Or you could just ride with me and some of the ole dude's I ride with....we stop more often now than we did when we rode choppers with peanut tanks (and it ain't for gas and beer either).  har.  spyder

Man...drinking beer and riding is out of the question now, for a couple of reasons.  That's for the parking lot/motel room    If I drank two beers while riding, I'd have to stop every 15 minutes for two hours...

[smkymtnboy]

  Sounds like a proud bunch of guys still trying to pursue a passion. Congrats on having the drive to keep on trying even when it hurts. When you quit or give up is when it really hurts (mentally). Some of us old guys need to remember there are folks who are much younger and are not able to ride due injuries or disablities. Thank the good Lord for the health that we still have. lets hear it for us old guys

[lilcoot]

Damn, baby!

My respect for you folks just skyrocketed.  Here I was, thinkin I could brag about a ragin case of monkey butt I lived through.   Particullarly Miker.  Buddy, I've seen people in persistent vegetative states with less damage.  Kudos, you are my hero!  

[MKW]

49 years old and pretty healthy relatively speaking.  Six years ago I had a significant surgery on my right shoulder for a torn labrium (socket).  Couldn't use my right arm for 6 weeks then the lengthy recovery.  That no longer bothers me but since my last deployment with the Army in 2009 I have had worsening right hip pain and learned last month that I have two tears in my right hip socket.  Sitting on the bike tends to make it worse.  Received a steroid injection on Tuesday and feel pretty good for the first time in years.  This is only going to get me thru the spring and summer then I may opt for surgery.  I'm told that I will not be allowed to put weight on my leg for 6-8 weeks (scooter time) then I will begin PT.  Looking at total hip replacement by 65.  I'm not as bad off as some of you but then again I'm not 20 anymore either.  I feel age creeping in but have decided to watch my weight, eat better, visit the gym 4-5 times a week and try to hold off father time a little longer.

[JCZ]

49 years old and pretty healthy relatively speaking.  Six years ago I had a significant surgery on my right shoulder for a torn labrium (socket).  Couldn't use my right arm for 6 weeks then the lengthy recovery.  That no longer bothers me but since my last deployment with the Army in 2009 I have had worsening right hip pain and learned last month that I have two tears in my right hip socket.  Sitting on the bike tends to make it worse.  Received a steroid injection on Tuesday and feel pretty good for the first time in years.  This is only going to get me thru the spring and summer then I may opt for surgery.  I'm told that I will not be allowed to put weight on my leg for 6-8 weeks (scooter time) then I will begin PT.  Looking at total hip replacement by 65.  I'm not as bad off as some of you but then again I'm not 20 anymore either.  I feel age creeping in but have decided to watch my weight, eat better, visit the gym 4-5 times a week and try to hold off father time a little longer.

Amongst the back injury, shattered jaw, arm and leg.....I also have a complete hip replacement (all three pieces are titanium).  Gary (Fired00d) and a few others also have a hip implant (that's what they call it.....an implant).  I knew right away that the pain I'd been living with in my hip was gone.  Had the pain from the surgery and having your hip cut open but the bad pain was gone.

By the way, they got me out of bed that night, after surgery and made me stand on it.  The next day I had to take three or four steps to the end of the bed and that extended the next day to the door of my hospital room.  Went home the following day.  In just a few weeks (I think it was three weeks) they started sending a physical therapist to the house. 
She'd get up on the bed and start working my leg. The PT was painful but I knew there was progress each day so it was tolerable.  Eventually the surgery wounds healed and that particual hip pain was gone.

I have a lot of injuries and a lot of pain from time to time but I am so grateful to God that I'm able to walk again, on my own, unassisted and that I can ride again and that I can still work.  Each day that I'm able to do any and all of those......as much pain as I may be in, I am grateful!

[VANAMAL]

Were all in the same boat! After thyroid cancer and arthritic knees whats next. When i finally get a burst of energy ill roll until it runs out. The rest of the time i smoke ginsing,freebase viagra and mainline cialis

[Skillet]

Were all in the same boat! After thyroid cancer and arthritic knees whats next. When i finally get a burst of energy ill roll until it runs out. The rest of the time i smoke ginsing,freebase viagra and mainline cialis

Well it can't be all that bad then.

[JCZ]

Were all in the same boat! After thyroid cancer and arthritic knees whats next. When i finally get a burst of energy ill roll until it runs out. The rest of the time i smoke ginsing,freebase viagra and mainline cialis

And you finally kicked the rogaine.....just wasn't doin it for you.        

[GtreetSlide]

WOW, I have good company. Before I was 20 yrs old I had a motorcycle accident, then three broken wrists, a broken arm, and a direct hit of 440 volts. Did good for awhile then blew out 3 discs in my back. Second bike wreck was just a skin peal. Next bike accident I was hit head-on by a car, breaking my back at T8 and trashing my shoulder. Also crushed my leg and foot between the bike and car then snatched it loose as I flew over the car. The last wreck broke an arm, both wrists, my back again, and several head injuries. Right side of skull busted loose and mashed in, dislocated my jaw, broke my nose, took off most of my lower face skin, and damaged brain circuits in the forehead, right side and back of brain as it bounced around inside my skull... Now my tendon in my foot is torn... I'm 64 and I have no complaints because I wake up every morning and find I am still breathing, so all the rest I can live with. Life is good.. 

jb

[Skillet]

WOW, I have good company. Before I was 20 yrs old I had a motorcycle accident, then three broken wrists, a broken arm, and a direct hit of 440 volts. Did good for awhile then blew out 3 discs in my back. Second bike wreck was just a skin peal. Next bike accident I was hit head-on by a car, breaking my back at T8 and trashing my shoulder. Also crushed my leg and foot between the bike and car then snatched it loose as I flew over the car. The last wreck broke an arm, both wrists, my back again, and several head injuries. Right side of skull busted loose and mashed in, dislocated my jaw, broke my nose, took off most of my lower face skin, and damaged brain circuits in the forehead, right side and back of brain as it bounced around inside my skull... Now my tendon in my foot is torn... I'm 64 and I have no complaints because I wake up every morning and find I am still breathing, so all the rest I can live with. Life is good.. 

jb

I just don't feel right about my aches and pains now after reading this.

[GtreetSlide]

I just don't feel right about my aches and pains now after reading this.

LOL, the joke with my oldest friends is that I have the 9 lives of a cat. When I add them all up it seems I am working on my second cat now... Believe it or not, all the injuries, pain, healing, and pain that returns as I age are not the worst. The first few years trying to live with missing brain circuits was by far the worst part. Thought about ways to end it all many times. Then I learned to laugh at myself. Now I wake up and every day is Disney land, LOL..

jb

[Sklywag]

Hey Buddy

I know your pain, I have ridden with you & watched you ride with it & throught it.  I have 2 herneiated (?) Disks, L4/L5, L5/S1.  There are days when I am just cleaning the bike that I can't get up off the floor.   I just recently went through 3 weeks of the worst pain I have had in the last 5 years.   I will tell you, the AZ dry heat is great, most of the time.  With the dry heat both Trudy & I feel so much better.   I, just don't think about it, I just do my work, try not to change my lifestyle and go ride through it.  I am not yet willing to think about it.  There are days out there when I'm not sure what would happen if .........

Trudy on the other hand as some really bad days, between her work injury & her MC Accident, broken Pelvis, she has days that she barely get s through, but again, she says she won't live anywhere but AZ now because the dry heat makes it so much more tolerable.

Anyway, I am sure you have been reading the posts on our other forum from Papa Ken about loosing his wife, he has been through a lot personally & now losing his wife of 50+ years.  Ken is 82? I think.  Talk to him, ask him how he and the Old Farts keep doing it with all their pain.  He is a great person.  I have ridden with him a couple times, he is no slouch at his age on that Wing.

You didn't hear me say this but maybe a Trike is the future to ease the body work load.  I don't know, not going there.

Kevin (SemperFi81) may chime in, I won't say anything about what he deals with except he is a True Marine in what he deals with & everything he does with his life!

Just remember, we are here for each other, you know what you mean to us!

[VANAMAL]

Rogain  very funny. I know one thing thats not hurtin jc thats his throttle hand! Or maybe its stuck in wide open position all the time. i geuss when your goin 120 mph the aches and pains are forgotten

[JCZ]

Hey Buddy

I know your pain, I have ridden with you & watched you ride with it & throught it.  I have 2 herneiated (?) Disks, L4/L5, L5/S1.  There are days when I am just cleaning the bike that I can't get up off the floor.   I just recently went through 3 weeks of the worst pain I have had in the last 5 years.   I will tell you, the AZ dry heat is great, most of the time.  With the dry heat both Trudy & I feel so much better.   I, just don't think about it, I just do my work, try not to change my lifestyle and go ride through it.  I am not yet willing to think about it.  There are days out there when I'm not sure what would happen if .........

Trudy on the other hand as some really bad days, between her work injury & her MC Accident, broken Pelvis, she has days that she barely get s through, but again, she says she won't live anywhere but AZ now because the dry heat makes it so much more tolerable.

Anyway, I am sure you have been reading the posts on our other forum from Papa Ken about loosing his wife, he has been through a lot personally & now losing his wife of 50+ years.  Ken is 82? I think.  Talk to him, ask him how he and the Old Farts keep doing it with all their pain.  He is a great person.  I have ridden with him a couple times, he is no slouch at his age on that Wing.

You didn't hear me say this but maybe a Trike is the future to ease the body work load.  I don't know, not going there.

Kevin (SemperFi81) may chime in, I won't say anything about what he deals with except he is a True Marine in what he deals with & everything he does with his life!

Just remember, we are here for each other, you know what you mean to us!

Thanks Bill.

By the way, I sent Papa Ken a PM awhile back.  Told him I'd like to ride with him sometime.......they only ride on weekdays....I'd have to quit.  He said don't quit, just retire.   That guy can tell some stories or write some stories.  I told him he should write a book of short stories for the solo motorcycle rider to journey with.

Ya know Bill, speakin of Marines......there are times when I'm ridin and the pain is so great....and having all those talks with myself (trying to practice mind over matter, etc.) and I can hear S/Sgt. Biliglowy (Marine
Corps boot camp) yellin "when the goin gets tough.....the tough get goin....." and I just press on.

This thread is interesting.  One thing is for sure (and I was pretty sure of it, is why I started it).....we're certainly not going through it alone.

[JCZ]

Rogain  very funny. I know one thing thats not hurtin jc thats his throttle hand! Or maybe its stuck in wide open position all the time. i geuss when your goin 120 mph the aches and pains are forgotten

I would never ride like that.......I always obey all traffic laws.  

Ya gotta get what you can while you can.

[Skillet]

I would never ride like that.......I always obey all traffic laws.  

Ya gotta get what you can while you can.

That's the only way to get a lot of miles on your bike is to ride like you stole it.

[SG Racer]

Man you guys are tough!

[Sklywag]

Oh Man You have no idea, it's what over 3/4 million and almost 50 yers does to a man.

People laugh at "Ride to Live - Live to Ride" as being a thing all the posers run as a license plate frame, they have no idea what it is reall like.  It's the LPlate frame on both my CVO & Trailer.  

The 60's were good years to be riding and it only got better from then...  Right JC?  & others?

JC  Glad you talking to Ken, take a Wednesday off, go ride with the Old Farts they are a motivator!

That is why Kens tag line is
Some people try to turn back their odometers. Not me, I want people to know "why" I look this way. I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved.........Will Rogers

[LovemyCVOgirl]

Were all in the same boat! After thyroid cancer and arthritic knees whats next. When i finally get a burst of energy ill roll until it runs out. The rest of the time i smoke ginsing,freebase viagra and mainline cialis

OMG  . Not sure if I want to laugh or RUN when I see you coming 

[spydglide]

OMG  . Not sure if I want to laugh or RUN when I see you coming 

[miker]

Meh....pain is what lets you know are alive...Love, Laugh and Live my friends!  

Slainte! to health  ....

[Mrs Rooster]

OMG  . Not sure if I want to laugh or RUN when I see you coming 

  You won't see Van coming or going...some think he is a ghost. 

[grandpadoc]

Aging finally gets us all. As you get older you loose your peripheral vision and the "lean angle" of the middle ear. Just for giggles the next time you have your visual fields done as part of the glaucoma exam have the doc impute your age as 18 and be prepaired to get humbled. You loose a couple thousand nerves along the optic nerve every year as part of the normal aging process and even more if you have medical issues. When the "lean angle" angle of your middle ear is exceeded by the lean angle of your bike on the twisties you loose your balance easily and then should start to think about a trike if you want to continue riding safely. Hey, just grow old gracefully and make compensations as you sense the need.  Doc

[spydglide]

Dang it Doc, I've been being humbled by 18 yr. olds for some time now.  har.  spyder

[MKW]

I'm a physician (endocrinologist) but hate going to the doctor.  Even with all the prior shoulder pain, and now hip, I refused to see anyone for a few years.  When I do finally see someone for anything I usually keep my mouth shut and play the role of the patient but had an interesting experience on Tuesday.  I was scheduled to have my hip injected and there was an older male radiology tech in training.  We'll any joint injection is a sterile procedure for obvious reasons.  This trainee contaminated his sterile gloves as well at the sterile kit.  He was being supervised but not closely.  After I sat there in my gown with my boys hanging out and nothing else on I finally politely asked him to stop and asked that the entire process be restarted and allowed the trainer/supervisor to do her job sufficiently.  You could tell that they wer taken back but I went out of my way to let them know that the standards were not being met and the importance of good technique to avoid complications.  My intention was not to be Billy Bad A-s but to corrected them and avoid getting a septic hip.  Hip is going better and no signs of infection to date...............   I'm ready for my West Coast trip in 4 weeks 

[Midnight Rider]

Yea, I watch 'em like a hawk when the do the shot in my lower back, at least 'till they get me in a position where I can't see what's going on.  They give me Vercet (sp?) for the procedure, but it takes a lot more than they give me to knock me for a loop...I'm wide awake the whole time.  I'm only 5'8", but it generally takes twice as much morphine, vercet, etc to do any good...I attribute it to too many "altered" states of mind in the past.  I'm used to it...

Endo Doc huh?  I've got type II but it is controlled through diet easily.

[MIKEYTEE]

Damn! You guys make me feel young, healthy, and pain free. Well almost pain free when I have a few drinks. I'm just thankful fer each day I have above ground.
I do see a trike in my future.
Mike
 

[sadunbar]

I don't have a medical condition so severe to cause me to consider not riding...yet...but I do have a knee that is bad enough it has caused me to alter my bike...

The reason I removed the Boarzilla from my SEUC and installed the Jackpot 2-1-2 pipe is to allow me to hold my right leg much closer to my bike when stopped.  My right knee was severely damaged in a skiing accident about 12 years ago.  Today, it has very minimal side to side stability and the only real solution is to replace it.  My doctor has encouraged me to delay replacement as long as possible, as the technology continues to improve, and if I replaced it now (at my current age), it is likely I would have to replace it again in later years.

The upper loop of the rear cylinder pipe of the Boarzilla is high enough and sticks out far enough that I have to hold my right leg further away from the bike, putting to much strain on my knee.  Twice last year, while at a complete stop, my knee "buckled", once causing me to have to lay down my bike.  (It's happened about 5 times in the previous 4 or 5 years.)  When this happens, my knee almost immediately fills with fluid, which takes days to re-absorb.  Of course, the worst instance last year occurred when we were about 1500 miles from home, riding two up and the bike loaded to the gills...   And, of course, with both instances, my wife was sitting behind me, which has caused her a bit of concern.  There's no issue at all with riding, just stopping or sitting still.  The 2-1-2 pipe is tucked in closer to the bike and is lower, allowing me to plant my foot and keep my knee much "straighter".  I'm sure I've lost a few ponies with the change, but I figure my 120 has a few to spare...  The EMS seems to have adapted well to the pipe change...

[Skillet]

I don't have a medical condition so severe to cause me to consider not riding...yet...but I do have a knee that is bad enough it has caused me to alter my bike...

The reason I removed the Boarzilla from my SEUC and installed the Jackpot 2-1-2 pipe is to allow me to hold my right leg much closer to my bike when stopped.  My right knee was severely damaged in a skiing accident about 12 years ago.  Today, it has very minimal side to side stability and the only real solution is to replace it.  My doctor has encouraged me to delay replacement as long as possible, as the technology continues to improve, and if I replaced it now (at my current age), it is likely I would have to replace it again in later years.

The upper loop of the rear cylinder pipe of the Boarzilla is high enough and sticks out far enough that I have to hold my right leg further away from the bike, putting to much strain on my knee.  Twice last year, while at a complete stop, my knee "buckled", once causing me to have to lay down my bike.  (It's happened about 5 times in the previous 4 or 5 years.)  When this happens, my knee almost immediately fills with fluid, which takes days to re-absorb.  Of course, the worst instance last year occurred when we were about 1500 miles from home, riding two up and the bike loaded to the gills...   And, of course, with both instances, my wife was sitting behind me, which has caused her a bit of concern.  There's no issue at all with riding, just stopping or sitting still.  The 2-1-2 pipe is tucked in closer to the bike and is lower, allowing me to plant my foot and keep my knee much "straighter".  I'm sure I've lost a few ponies with the change, but I figure my 120 has a few to spare...  The EMS seems to have adapted well to the pipe change...

If that is what it takes to keep riding and feel comfortable then let it be.

[MKW]

Yea, I watch 'em like a hawk when the do the shot in my lower back, at least 'till they get me in a position where I can't see what's going on.  They give me Vercet (sp?) for the procedure, but it takes a lot more than they give me to knock me for a loop...I'm wide awake the whole time.  I'm only 5'8", but it generally takes twice as much morphine, vercet, etc to do any good...I attribute it to too many "altered" states of mind in the past.  I'm used to it...

Endo Doc huh?  I've got type II but it is controlled through diet easily.

Keep up the good work on your DM.  Oh, its versed.

[Vagabond6542]

I had back surgery (two discs removed) about 22 yrs. ago and while I was good to go for a number of years after that, the back pain has gradually creeped back in and progressed to the point where at times, riding is just excruciating.

Couple that with a serious motorcycle accident about six years ago where I was busted up real bad and now have permanent nerve damage in my left leg and left foot.

I often wonder.....just how much longer I'm going to be able to ride.  Mentally, I'm determined to not let it take me down and I just grit my teeth and push on through it.  But physically......I really don't know how much longer I can be able to ride at will.  I'm sure, at some point, there will come a time when I'll not be able to ride for a day (or days) due to pain but can still ride at other times.

I've also wondered who else has physical ailments where they're in the same place.....wondering how much longer.  Or are they already there...at a place where their riding is impaired or restricted in distance or time because of the ailments?  Let's hear it guys......you're not alone.

Vagabond's recent thread regarding his hearing is what pushed me to go ahead and start this thread.  Vagabond......we're praying that your options will be successful enough that you're able to ride again.

JCZ,
I thank you for your thought and prayers.
If I were to list all that has happen, I wouldn't be riding at all.
I started riding in 1976 on a Honda CB400F. In 1967, At Kennedy Space Center, I was working the Apollo/Saturn 5 program. The MSS(Mobile Service Structure) and I got to know each other real close and personal at about 200 feet above ground. One of the elevators, not locked out, Caught my helmet and made my spine do a "S" curve the wrong way. I would have been dead if it were not for a "hole"  in the girder structure for the elevator to push me through. From the first visit at a Chiropractor's Office that found 11 vertebrae displaced by using a X-ray machine to the present, approximately 45 years, I've been going to a Chiropractor to manage the spine skeleton. I will be 70 on June 5, 2012. And now a new problem has come on the scene, Meniere's Disease.
And I still will ride.

[JCZ]

I've told several people that this is probably my last big hoo-rahh ride.....the pain is taking it's toll.

Terrie and I have talked about the pain issue and riding, off and on, over time......even talked about selling the bikes several times.

We set off on this latest road trip a week ago, yesterday.  I told myself that this will be my barometer......hoping to be able to ride at least one day without having to dig off in to the pain meds.  No such luck.....not for me and not for Terrie (her neck/shoulder pain).  I haven't been able to get more than two hours without excruiating pain.  For her, she's good about 4-6 hours but in the end, she ends up in the same place as me......just way to much pain.

So, we've decided to follow through with our back up plan.  When we get home, back in California, both of our bikes will be cleaned up, detailed, and put up for sale.  We're both tired of living in pain and misery just to be able to do what we love to do. 

We'll still travel all over, see things, go places, do things.......but it'll be in the car or truck.  We'll both miss the bikes but it will be nice to be able to do things without being in so much pain.  So, for us, it's a bitter sweet time as we cross this last couple of states heading home.

It's been a great trip (other than the constant pain issues).....one we'll never forget and we were able to ride our last ride with greatest people that we're fortunate enough to have as our friends.  I'm sure, after all of you view the ride reports that we'll be doing over the next week or so, that you'll agree.....this was a world class ride!

We may, in a fit of insanity, rent a couple bikes from time to time and you just never know when we might show up at one of the GTGs.  

[LovemyCVOgirl]

I'm wiping away a tear as I read this JC.  I guess I met you a day late and now my dream of sharing the road with you looks like a distant memory.  I'm not sure this is the best trip (snowy, cold weather) to decide to hang your passion up on.  But, you and Terrie know your limits better than I and if this is something you gotta do, than you do what is best for you both.  The road will be lonely without your knees blowing in the wind and whenever I see a blue CVO, I'm gonna look for you.  Deciding to walk away from something that we are so passionate about is always the hardest thing that we face in life and the struggle emotionally and physically can be so painful.  Your friends will miss you both and me .... well I will always be envious of those that got to share the road with you.

I will keep my fingers crossed that our paths will cross one day ~ even if that means you're rambling down the road in your truck and you better still keep that camera strapped around your neck because I expect pictures from the road!

~Judy

[spydglide]

So sorry to read that the pain has reached this point with you and Terrie, JC.  But, maybe 'renting' from time to time to just take a little putt and still get your knees in the breeze will be in your future.  Sure hope so.   You're one of the 'good guys' that's forgotten more about ridin' than most will ever know or experience.   spyder

[BUCKNUT GREG]

I'm wiping away a tear as I read this JC.  I guess I met you a day late and now my dream of sharing the road with you looks like a distant memory.  I'm not sure this is the best trip (snowy, cold weather) to decide to hang your passion up on.  But, you and Terrie know your limits better than I and if this is something you gotta do, than you do what is best for you both.  The road will be lonely without your knees blowing in the wind and whenever I see a blue CVO, I'm gonna look for you.  Deciding to walk away from something that we are so passionate about is always the hardest thing that we face in life and the struggle emotionally and physically can be so painful.  Your friends will miss you both and me .... well I will always be envious of those that got to share the road with you.

I will keep my fingers crossed that our paths will cross one day ~ even if that means you're rambling down the road in your truck and you better still keep that camera strapped around your neck because I expect pictures from the road!

~Judy

Yes and Amen.

[djkak]

Hey JCZ, sorry to read this. I hope that you and Terrie find something else that gets you as jacked-up as your two wheeled machinery has over the years. Good luck to you both.

[DCFIREMANN]

JCZ there will come a time in all of our lives that we will have to quit riding. I never knew you were in so much pain in the past. I think like all of the rest of us OLD FARTS we keep it to ourselves. I have been off here for a while taking a break for various reasons. One of them being medical. I just took a year off of riding and it has seemed to help. On Memorial Weekend I rode for 5 straight days. It was a little tough the first day but got better as the Weekend went on. What I am saying is maybe some time off will help. In your case I would hope so. You have a REAL PASSION for riding.

I hope you will recover to the point you will be able to get back in the wind some day!!! Wishing you and Terri all of the best.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[Ironhorse]

JC,

I was talking with some friends and we were all doing the old age complaint thing. One guy mentioned that he used to run marathons, but at age 62 he said it was getting too difficult and painful. He was rancher and rodeo rider who got beaten up in his younger days and is feeling it all now. He said he was considering giving up running altogether but that it would just break his heart to do so. One of the other guys (who used to be a water polo, swim and rowing coach) said that instead of giving up a passion completely, to first try modifying the event. Instead of running the whole 26.2 miles, just run 10.

I guess what I'm saying is that if two hours is the most you can manage, then maybe ride for only two hours. If we have a rally or GTG somewhere, throw the bikes on the trailer and tow them over to the meet location. Once we're there ride two hours and head back to the hotel. There's nothing wrong with that. Or, like it was suggested earlier, take a long time off and away from riding, maybe 6 months to a year. Use that time to rest, get chiropractic adjustments, acupuncture (I swear by it), massages, physical therapy and time in the gym to strengthen muscles and loosen up joint movement.

These are just suggestions JC, and maybe you have already done them or considered them. I only bring them up because I know how much you and Terrie love to ride.  But you have to do what you must. And if you are thinking of a convertible,........I like that Mustang Shelby convertible.

[Midnight Rider]

JC...Like Mark suggested, how about getting a nice enclosed trailer and just tow the bikes to the places you want to "explore", then ride the bike as little or as much as you want to in that area.  That is what Judi and I are going to try and do in the next 3-5 years, only do it with a smaller toy hauler and camp out some as well.  My lower back issues come and go...they have been fine for the past couple of years, but I just can't do (or choose not to) those 500+ mile days any more.

Mark brings up another good suggestion...Acupuncture.  It works.  I had a friend who had such severe back pain that she was virtually bed ridden most of the time.  She had been to all kinds of doctors, including some at the Mayo Clinic, all to no avail.  Her husband finally took her to a local acupunturist...after 3 visits, her pain was gone.  He later told me that he finally got his wife back, after years of her being a different person due to the pain and heavy meds she was on to dull the pain.  The last time I talked to them, she was having to go back for a follow up treatment because she had tweaked her back while WHITEWATER CANOEING.  It does work for pain management, with NO drugs involved.  It might be worth a try, at least.

You guys do what's best for you, but I'd hate to see you give up riding all together, and sell off two bikes that are customized for the both of you.

We all have to make hard decsions sometimes though, as life throws curve balls every once in a while...been there, done that, and have several t-shirts.  Regardless, you two have each other, and that enables you to get through whatever challenges lay ahead.

[LovemyCVOgirl]

JC...Like Mark suggested, how about getting a nice enclosed trailer and just tow the bikes to the places you want to "explore", then ride the bike as little or as much as you want to in that area.  That is what Judi and I are going to try and do in the next 3-5 years, only do it with a smaller toy hauler and camp out some as well.  My lower back issues come and go...they have been fine for the past couple of years, but I just can't do (or choose not to) those 500+ mile days any more.

Mark brings up another good suggestion...Acupuncture.  It works.  I had a friend who had such severe back pain that she was virtually bed ridden most of the time.  She had been to all kinds of doctors, including some at the Mayo Clinic, all to no avail.  Her husband finally took her to a local acupunturist...after 3 visits, her pain was gone.  He later told me that he finally got his wife back, after years of her being a different person due to the pain and heavy meds she was on to dull the pain.  The last time I talked to them, she was having to go back for a follow up treatment because she had tweaked her back while WHITEWATER CANOEING.  It does work for pain management, with NO drugs involved.  It might be worth a try, at least.

You guys do what's best for you, but I'd hate to see you give up riding all together, and sell off two bikes that are customized for the both of you.

We all have to make hard decsions sometimes though, as life throws curve balls every once in a while...been there, done that, and have several t-shirts.  Regardless, you two have each other, and that enables you to get through whatever challenges lay ahead.

I had a difficult night sleeping last night after reading JC's post.  I am so saddened by this lastest news.  JC has been such an inspiration to me since my MC wreck last year.  His encouragement has really inspired me to get back in the saddle.  I agree with your post about putting the bikes on a trailer and once there do some site seeing and load them back up.  It is a great thought you posted and I hope JC and Terri consider this option.

[cvobiker]

JC

I know exactly where you are coming from in regard to riding in pain.. I have an extreme bad left knee that should have been replaced  years ago. However i also have a certain blood disorder and my doctors warn against a knee replacement surgery...  I live on cortisone and pain medication to just to get by.. Since i wont ride or drive while under the influence of pain meds i plan my big rides within a week or two of getting my quarterly cortisone shot. The cortisone shots help a lot but only short term.  
Im getting to point now where i cant move my knee in very 'fast action' after setting in one position for awhile. i learned this recently when i was riding my bike solo and alone on a quick jaunt to Tahoe leaving on a cold morning. When i got up to Auburn realizing i needed gas, i pulled off on Forrest Hill Road and hit the first light red.  When i came up to a slow stop, i barely got my left leg off to support myself and quickly learned i had no strength, my knee just gave out, and my bike went down.  I was lucky that several people were right there to help get my bike up.
After this episode i thought its time to quit riding but the passion kicked in and i soon developed a pattern to trust my stronger right leg and it seems to be working..  However, its not helping the pain i endure on the left leg and it only seems to occur when im in a riding position for several hours.
I've got a couple options, one get rid of the bikes and quit riding or take a chance on a knee replacement. Could i get by with the pain management? probably but as you know, pain meds work to a point but they restrict your riding time due to the intoxication issues. I dont think i can give up my passion at 57 years old after riding for 30+ of those years, so against my wife's desires i've chosen to go through with the surgery. Im taking a bigger risk then normal but i think i would be totally distraught if i was confined from doing things i enjoy.   So this Oct is the big month for me..   and with all luck i'll be back in the saddle without the meds by next summer..  
Now back to you,, Have you and Terry put any thought of keeping one bike and shorten your riding events to just a couple a year? i know its going to be really hard to cold turkey overnight..  I would hate to miss all your ride pictorials and posting you and Terry do, which both my wife and I enjoy.  Have you seen a good pain management doctor? The doctor i have does magic and has me on a program so i wouldn't get into a DWI situation.  I personally would be much happier if you and Terry figured out something to keep the 'riding passion' and im sure everyone here would to....   My prayers are to you and Terry that what you do is really right..  

[mjb765]

JC..I agree with Mark..why not try shorter rides and trailering to the ones that are too far to ride to. Then you can ride when you get there and not worry about the long trip home. This has been such a passion for you and Terrie that I would hate to see you give it up completely. Or maybe just a little break is all that is needed. The worst thing would be to clean them both up and get them sold, only to regret it 6 months (or less) from now. But do whatever you feel is right, just think it over hard and long first. I will still hold out hope to share the road with you both someday.

Mike

[miker]

Short rides are still rides....you guys live in day ride nirvana...I have learned to be happy with what I can do, not with what I want to do...

Peace to you both.

[MIKEYTEE]

JC, sorry to hear that you and Terrie have had to make the hard decision we will all face some day. I have started to look at trikes as my knees and hips don't work as well as they used to.
I'm sure you have looked at many options before you posted. Just know that you have many friends here that support you, some you haven't even met or ridden with. A nice convertible isn't the same as a bike, but it is close. I wish you and Terrie all the best and hope our paths cross someday.
Mike
 

[chappy]

I can webble and wooble and I won't fall down!
At least that's the plan of the day! lol
Sam aka chappy

[VANAMAL]

Well im in total shock and disbelief. Maybe a little break from riding,rest,heal up a bit,see the docs forget the marathon rides. As much as you guys love to ride and living in the middle of some of the best riding country in the usa i would hope you could just alter your riding style a bit and still pursue your passion. I dont want to share my story but im in the same boat
Vg

[RidinRuby]

JC

I can't believe what I'm reading, so sorry that you guys will have to give up your passion.

    I agree with others that maybe it's time to slow down some. Not so many hours in the saddle.

  Best of Luck to you and Terri with what ever you decide, With Love Chris & Anne

[grandpadoc]

Wow      I feel for you guys, but we just got back from Ribfest and a three dayer to Kernville this weekend and had the same conversation. I think this summer will be it for us as far as long rides and save the bike for Patriot Guard Missions and ALR pickup rides. Too many knee and back problems for both of us. I rode a Harley Trike for a day a last month and its not for me but might keep some folks in the wind a while longer. I hope you guys take the advise of some of the members and just slow down a bit.

Lou and Terry

[Vagabond6542]

I've told several people that this is probably my last big hoo-rahh ride.....the pain is taking it's toll.

Terrie and I have talked about the pain issue and riding, off and on, over time......even talked about selling the bikes several times.

We set off on this latest road trip a week ago, yesterday.  I told myself that this will be my barometer......hoping to be able to ride at least one day without having to dig off in to the pain meds.  No such luck.....not for me and not for Terrie (her neck/shoulder pain).  I haven't been able to get more than two hours without excruiating pain.  For her, she's good about 4-6 hours but in the end, she ends up in the same place as me......just way to much pain.

So, we've decided to follow through with our back up plan.  When we get home, back in California, both of our bikes will be cleaned up, detailed, and put up for sale.  We're both tired of living in pain and misery just to be able to do what we love to do. 

We'll still travel all over, see things, go places, do things.......but it'll be in the car or truck.  We'll both miss the bikes but it will be nice to be able to do things without being in so much pain.  So, for us, it's a bitter sweet time as we cross this last couple of states heading home.

It's been a great trip (other than the constant pain issues).....one we'll never forget and we were able to ride our last ride with greatest people that we're fortunate enough to have as our friends.  I'm sure, after all of you view the ride reports that we'll be doing over the next week or so, that you'll agree.....this was a world class ride!

We may, in a fit of insanity, rent a couple bikes from time to time and you just never know when we might show up at one of the GTGs.  

JCZ,
Sorry to hear that you and Terry are thinking of reducing your riding.
I wish you all the best in the world. I know what it means to not ride since the Meniere's attack.

Vagabond

[Indenial]

JC, think strongly of not doing anything with the bikes for at least 6 months.  If you sell them, I doubt you'll buy two more for $75K down the road.  If you have them, things may change and you may be satisfied with shorter rides or maybe the pain changes allowing for longer jaunts. Of course, if you're making payments each month and not riding, that would change my thinking. 

[JCZ]

Thank you everybody, for your thoughts and suggestions.

Let me just say I've had the back problems for a lot of years (two discs removed) and it's gotten progressively worse.  We've changed Terrie's seat and handlebars....to many times to count.  While we both try not to whine or complain when riding with others, we've both been riding in pain....even while taking norco, for a long, long time.  It's just not getting any better. 

This isn't a decision we made lightly.....a lot of thought, conversation and discussion has gone in to it.  And while I knew this time was coming, I did think it'd be a little further down the road.  We have finally accepted (surrendered?) to the fact that it's never going to get any better for either of us.  We don't ride and we're pretty much pain free or at least it's kept to a minamum and so that's what we're going to do.

We plan to still do what we love to do.....go places we've never been, see and do things we've never done, explore, etc.   We'll just be doing it in the truck or the car.  This will also allow our two young grandsons to go to these places and see these things as well.  We weren't able to do that with the other grandkids (which are now older) and so............that's what we're going to do.

Again, thank you everybody for your thoughts and suggestions.  We really appreciate it.

[sadunbar]

JC...  Your a smart guy...  I'm sure you and Terri have thought this thru from all sides.  It's a place we will all end up eventually.  I commend you for facing up to reality and making the decision to move forward as best you can, given your medical restrictions.  I'm sure you'll make the most of whatever replaces riding for the two of you.  And I'm sure you will maintain all the great relationships you've made thru motorcycling and this site.  I doubt you'll become a stranger!  It sounds like your grandkids are in for some great adventures!  Best wishes for the next phase of your life....

[16HD117]

JC, sorry to hear that you and Terri are giving up the bikes!  I know it had to be a tough decision but it sounds like it's the right one.  I know everyone on the site will miss your ride reports!

I started having pain in my right shoulder and arm a couple of weeks ago and it was diagnosed as Bursitis.  So far the drugs that were prescribed aren't working.  Going to a specialist Thursday and I'm hoping he can help.

I felt pretty good Sunday and decided to see if I could handle the bike.  Made it about half mile and had to stop and wait for the pain to ease up before I headed back home.  So until I get this fixed, I'm grounded!  Just hoping it's temporary.

It's hell getting old!

[LovemyCVOgirl]

Thank you everybody, for your thoughts and suggestions.

Let me just say I've had the back problems for a lot of years (two discs removed) and it's gotten progressively worse.  We've changed Terrie's seat and handlebars....to many times to count.  While we both try not to whine or complain when riding with others, we've both been riding in pain....even while taking norco, for a long, long time.  It's just not getting any better. 

This isn't a decision we made lightly.....a lot of thought, conversation and discussion has gone in to it.  And while I knew this time was coming, I did think it'd be a little further down the road.  We have finally accepted (surrendered?) to the fact that it's never going to get any better for either of us.  We don't ride and we're pretty much pain free or at least it's kept to a minamum and so that's what we're going to do.

We plan to still do what we love to do.....go places we've never been, see and do things we've never done, explore, etc.   We'll just be doing it in the truck or the car.  This will also allow our two young grandsons to go to these places and see these things as well.  We weren't able to do that with the other grandkids (which are now older) and so............that's what we're going to do.

Again, thank you everybody for your thoughts and suggestions.  We really appreciate it.

JC, I'm sure you and Terrie have given this decision a lot of thought and it has not been an easy one to make.  God bless you both and wishing you both pain free days.  My home is always open and would love you both to come visit if you are ever headed east.  Please stay on the forum and stay in touch with all of us.  When you two are exploring the country side in your four wheeled vehicle's and you start missing that wind in your face, just roll the Windows's down, put your helmets on and stick your heads out the window!  Thank you for being my friend and I will never forget your kindness that you have freely given me.  Now, get on down the road and enjoy life.   

~Judy

[Midnight Rider]

OK, JC/Terrie, now that you've decided what to do (which I totally respect), you'll have to take some of that extra $$ you have from not having to keep up the bikes and spend it on a new NIKON CAMERA... and get serious about this photography thing.  The only thing I like better than helping people spend money on their bike is helping people spend money on good photography gear.  Let's see...you'll need a new camera body, at least two lenses I can think of right off the top of my head, a real flash, a Carbon Fiber Tripod and Ball Head with plates to fit your new body, more filters, a cable release, and a camera bag/pack to carry it all.  In the cage, you can stay at those places you need to be until the light gets right without worrying about riding after dark, so they'll be no more excuses not to be out there during the "Golden Hour".   

We're all going to get there some day...if the pain makes it no longer enjoyable overall, it's time to hang up the spurs...

[Eagle Eye]

Just noticed this thread.  

Sorry to hear this JC, I was hoping to be able to keep up with you some day...

I hear you all on the pain thing.  I've had back problems since I was 11 years young, when I fell out of a tree and damaged my spine.  I had managed to get myself healthy, but when I was 27 a ladder came out from under me and I fell with my butt between the rungs.  It broke the outer process of my vertebrae.  A few automobile accidents caused by others did much damage to my neck and this is pain I deal with every day. I've crashed a few bikes, but fortunately not been hurt more than a few scratches.  Ego bruised, but that's all.  I've been very lucky to date in that regard.

My problems are minor compaired to what most of you are dealing with, so you'll hear no moaning from me.    About a year ago last week I had a 90% blocked artery on my ticker that nearly took me out for good.  But that turned out to be a blessing.  After getting my BP and blood sugar under control and losing about 30 lbs, I'm feeling better than ever and hope to have another ten or 15 years in the saddle.  

At 61, that's not an unreasonable expectation, but I'd rather be riding with my buds than seeing them giving it up, especially since I've just met y'all.  Hopefully we'll see you at some of the future GTGs.   JC, you and Terri been instrumental organizing so many rides, you will certainly be missed by many.  At least I've been able to do two of them.

I send God's speed and healing prayers to all who have such difficult health issues.  It does come with age, but heck; it doesn't make it any easier.  I've always said that I'm going to live hard and come sliding into home plate fully used, bruised and drained when I go.  I know there's a saying out there, but that was my version...live well all.  Main thing; doing what we are passionate about, means we lived life to the fullest.  We can't ask for more than that.  Right?

[RayG]

May you both be blessed for making a courageous decision.  Sounds like a new door will open to make a stronger bond with family members.  Wish you both the very best.

[cvobiker]

OK, JC/Terrie, now that you've decided what to do (which I totally respect), you'll have to take some of that extra $$ you have from not having to keep up the bikes and spend it on a new NIKON CAMERA... and get serious about this photography thing.  The only thing I like better than helping people spend money on their bike is helping people spend money on good photography gear.  Let's see...you'll need a new camera body, at least two lenses I can think of right off the top of my head, a real flash, a Carbon Fiber Tripod and Ball Head with plates to fit your new body, more filters, a cable release, and a camera bag/pack to carry it all.  In the cage, you can stay at those places you need to be until the light gets right without worrying about riding after dark, so they'll be no more excuses not to be out there during the "Golden Hour".   

We're all going to get there some day...if the pain makes it no longer enjoyable overall, it's time to hang up the spurs...

Wow man,,,  now that's got me thinking of retiring the bikes. 

[ak]

 













 JC Is The first CVO-HD riding buddy I meet on this site and to say we"ve Pounded out some mile over the years is an understatement. Jc by far is the best trip planner I've ever meet and am very grateful of the time we"ve spent on the road. i will make an attempt to bump his grandkids and pound miles truck,en  we can stick our heads out the windows.God bless my friend . AK




















jc

[Ironhorse]

We may, in a fit of insanity, rent a couple bikes from time to time and you just never know when we might show up at one of the GTGs.

Hey JC,

With as many bikes as some folks have on this site, chances are you and Terrie might not have to rent bikes, although they might not be Harley CVOs.
I'll go first. If you ever come to LA, there are a couple of Kawasaki Police bikes with your names on them.

Mark

[BUCKNUT GREG]

Hey JC,

With as many bikes as some folks have on this site, chances are you and Terrie might not have to rent bikes, although they might not be Harley CVOs.
I'll go first. If you ever come to LA, there are a couple of Kawasaki Police bikes with your names on them.

Mark

Mark does that mean they would be Left Coast Chipsters ... 

[Hotrod50]

Wow, my heart goes out to all the dedicated rider's.  I'm a Chiropractor.  I can't imagine trying to ride with some of the back ailments some of you have been through.

I almost hate to ask, but I'm having right knee replaced in late August.  Does anyone have any experience about how long they were off the bike.  I guess the right knee isn't used as much as the left.  Want to try for Bikes, Blues and BBQ 6 weeks after surgery.  Realistic?

[Fired00d]

Wow, my heart goes out to all the dedicated rider's.  I'm a Chiropractor.  I can't imagine trying to ride with some of the back ailments some of you have been through.

I almost hate to ask, but I'm having right knee replaced in late August.  Does anyone have any experience about how long they were off the bike.  I guess the right knee isn't used as much as the left.  Want to try for Bikes, Blues and BBQ 6 weeks after surgery.  Realistic?

Not sure about knee(s) but when I had my hip replaced I'm thinking it was 3 months or more before my surgeon wanted me to get back on bike. Rehab and how you progress doing it will have a lot to do with how soon you will be able to return to riding.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[jonga]

JC,

I was talking with some friends and we were all doing the old age complaint thing. One guy mentioned that he used to run marathons, but at age 62 he said it was getting too difficult and painful. He was rancher and rodeo rider who got beaten up in his younger days and is feeling it all now. He said he was considering giving up running altogether but that it would just break his heart to do so. One of the other guys (who used to be a water polo, swim and rowing coach) said that instead of giving up a passion completely, to first try modifying the event. Instead of running the whole 26.2 miles, just run 10.

I guess what I'm saying is that if two hours is the most you can manage, then maybe ride for only two hours. If we have a rally or GTG somewhere, throw the bikes on the trailer and tow them over to the meet location. Once we're there ride two hours and head back to the hotel. There's nothing wrong with that. Or, like it was suggested earlier, take a long time off and away from riding, maybe 6 months to a year. Use that time to rest, get chiropractic adjustments, acupuncture (I swear by it), massages, physical therapy and time in the gym to strengthen muscles and loosen up joint movement.

These are just suggestions JC, and maybe you have already done them or considered them. I only bring them up because I know how much you and Terrie love to ride.  But you have to do what you must. And if you are thinking of a convertible,........I like that Mustang Shelby convertible.

X2 JC I just came accross this thread, my heart is heavy and having a little trouble accepting this. I love you and Terri and will talk to you soon, Your brother always 

[cvobiker]

Wow, my heart goes out to all the dedicated rider's.  I'm a Chiropractor.  I can't imagine trying to ride with some of the back ailments some of you have been through.

I almost hate to ask, but I'm having right knee replaced in late August.  Does anyone have any experience about how long they were off the bike.  I guess the right knee isn't used as much as the left.  Want to try for Bikes, Blues and BBQ 6 weeks after surgery.  Realistic?

I'm doing left knee replacement in Oct and have my heart set to be back on bike by following Jan and without pain meds for annual Death Valley run... Our surgerries are about 6-7 weeks apart, we'll have to keep taps on each other...    I haven't heard anything bout right replacement is easier than left, what's behind that??  Mines Left 

[Hotrod50]

Cvo, On the left vs. right thing, I was talking about how we use each leg on the bike.  I think the left leg is more active, and I usually lean on that side more anyway since my right knee hurts..I'll keep in touch, my replacement is aug 27th.

[Kickst@nd]

Great discussion.  I have the same future.  At this point, for me, it is how much pain or pain meds you are willing to take before you get the knee replaced.  The vibration of the bike on long rides is worse on the knee than walking 5 miles.  That is if I could walk 5 miles. LOL

[dayne66]

Great discussion.  I have the same future.  At this point, for me, it is how much pain or pain meds you are willing to take before you get the knee replaced.  The vibration of the bike on long rides is worse on the knee than walking 5 miles.  That is if I could walk 5 miles. LOL

I don't do meds...but I my knees are starting to hurt.....I guess I'm lucky, the vibrations are soothing!

[Gearheadfmc]

Well, 8 weeks ago, I had 2 Lumbar Discs removed.  Inserted bone fort fusing and put on 2 titanium plates to hold thing together!  Man, I feel great -- better than the last 5 years. 

But, when I put weight on my left leg, I really have no strength and is not reliable to hold things up.

So, no riding yet -- which is killing me.  I guess I'll wait another 8 weeks and see how things improve.


Gearheadfmc

[jonga]

This thread is deffinatly eye opening, at 58 I'm glad to still be able to hold my bike up. Three surgeries on my right leg have left my knee pretty unstable at times. Not to mention I finally started using a lift on my right leg to straighten out my spine. My ego wouldn't allow that for 35 years. I've had 2 surgeries on my right arm to bring back feeling to my right hand this year that did no good at all. I had rotator cuff surgery 2 weeks ago and go to get stiches out today. I'm hearing I won't be able to ride for three or four months. I'm starting to think someone or something is trying to tell me something. Not ready to accept the end result of that thought so I'm looking forward to riding my bike this fall if all goes well. God willing is where I will hang my hat for the moment. Also want to thank JC for starting this thread so I am able to think about things that I really don't want to think about. Going to miss the adventures we have had on two wheels and look forward to the ones we will have on four wheels. See you soon my brother.

[Jock]

Well this would explain the BIKE FOR SALE in the other thread!  One word...DAMN!

I trust we will enjoy a ride together again one day but if we do not I know you will show up at a GTG in some way.  Besides I plan to come out to Cali whenever possible and look you up!

By the way this is no excuse not to post your journeys in whatever method you choose to travel.

    

[cvobiker]

By the way this is no excuse not to post your journeys in whatever method you choose to travel.

     

Good point jock,,,,,,I agree with that. JC does does good jod journaling his travels and still look forward to them  

[JCZ]

In response to those emails and PMs that I've received regarding your medical issues and the decision to quit riding....here's my reply to the PM that I just sent out that explains it for me.  Every man has to make his own decision and every man has to live with their decision.

For me...it got progressively worse as time went along.  I used to be able to ride for a couple of days straight before my back started bothering me.  In the end, it was only an hour or two before my back would be killing me.  Taking the Norco would make it settle down for a couple of hours, but then I'd take another and so on and so forth.

Our trip to Colorado was the deciding factor....I thought about it all the way home.  It's not fun anymore when I'm always in pain.  And I can't keep taking the damn Norcos or I'll be strung out on pain killers again.  I'm 61 yrs. old and been riding all my life and I've done it all.  I love to travel and so I knew I'd just keep doing that.  Within a month or six weeks we figured....sell the bikes, get a 5th wheel and keep traveling.

I was still apprehensive so I said a prayer "OK God, you know I'm a knucklehead so you got to make this real clear to me if this is what I should be doing" and then I did the footwork.  I let a few people here in Nor Cal know that our bikes were for sale....put a realistic sale price on them (much less than what I felt they were worth).  We sold both bikes and the motorcycle trailer all on the same day, to three different parties.  God was making it clear to me.   Within the next three weeks we sold another $9,000 in parts, leathers, Gerbing, Nolans, etc.

I think about it as we roll down the highway and see bikes rolling.  But I think it on through and know that "I can't do that anymore and not be in miserable pain".  I know I did the right thing and now I enjoy my free time again!

Again, it's a decision that each man has to make for himself because each man has to live with that decision himself.

[GregKhougaz]

We will all miss you on the road, JC! 

Greg

[Hotrod50]

Update.  Had my right knee replacement 4 weeks ago yesterday.  Took bike out for first time last night.  Didn't feel too bad.  Knee recovery has been phenomenal.  I am 52 and I haven't been out of pain for a long time until now.  I feel so blessed that I am one of the lucky ones whose surgery and recovery has been very successful.  I am not going to try for BB&Q in Fayetteville later this week, but I do plan to ride to Arkansas Oct 12th.  Feeling very lucky.

JC, good luck in your future endeavers, and always enjoy your biking memories.  I know it had to be a tough decision.

[spydglide]

Great news on your 1st ride since the knee deal.........I know you were grinning.  Keep that new knee in the breeze as much as you can and ride safe.  spyder

[grandpadoc]

 ....sell the bikes, get a 5th wheel and keep traveling.

 

We feel your pain also. Terry and I decided this summer that this is it for us as far as long rides. We went to RibFest and Spokane and had a blast but the the arthritis is taking it toll on both of us. Thinking ahead we just upgraded our Hilton Vacations Club to more points and will be spending more time with the grandkids at local resorts, and ...
No doubt you wrestled with the choice between motor home vs fifth wheel. We have friends that have done both within a couple of years and they still can't make up their minds. What do you think    Doc

[JCZ]

We feel your pain also. Terry and I decided this summer that this is it for us as far as long rides. We went to RibFest and Spokane and had a blast but the the arthritis is taking it toll on both of us. Thinking ahead we just upgraded our Hilton Vacations Club to more points and will be spending more time with the grandkids at local resorts, and ...
No doubt you wrestled with the choice between motor home vs fifth wheel. We have friends that have done both within a couple of years and they still can't make up their minds. What do you think     Doc

You're right Lou.....we did go back and forth.  For us there were several major deciding factors.....to be able to run around and explore, once we get parked....especially when we're spending time in one place.  We wanted the freedom to go run around and see things without having to pack up each day.  We sure wouldn't have been able to take a motorhome on those 4x4 trails that we ended up on, going over the mountain to Lewiston when I punched in "shortest distance".   Couple that with the expense of a motorhome vs. a trailer or 5th wheel, the maint. issues of a motor home vs. a trailer or 5er, etc.  For us, it was a no brainer.  And we met a number of people in the campgrounds and RV parks in that nine days we were gone that had step down from a motorhome to a trailer/5th wheel for the some of the same reasons I mentioned.  Each has to decide for themselves, depending on what their travel goals and desires are.  Some people like have the Tajmahal to stay in and don't care about daily travel or access back in on the one lane roads, etc.

[Thermodyne]

I had a ruptured disk and a dislocated shoulder last winter.  Surgery in early April to remove the piece of disk that had been ejected.  Just PT for the shoulder.  I got back on the scooter in late May for some short runs.  Not quite six months now and I'm still limited to riding about an hour at a time.  I can't sit for more than an hour or so, not even on the sofa.  I took a road trip in early July, but with the back and my sore shoulder, I was having to take a break every 45-60 minutes.  The nerve to my left leg was damaged, so I'm a little uncoordinated with getting my foot down smoothly still.  My foot doesn't seem to know where the ground should be.  The Doc keeps telling me that I'll feel a lot better by next summer.

[JCZ]

Thermodyne.....let's hope the doc is right.

Hotrod....I totally empathize and relate.  I know what it's like living with pain for years then all of a sudden have a simple surgery procedure and that pain is gone.  For me, it was the hip replacement. 

I've also had the back surgery to have a couple of discs removed after years of back pain.  That was about 24 yrs. ago and it was significantly better for years but gradually got worse again to the point where I could no longer ride even half hour pain free.  The price I've paid for years of abuse to the body....now I really act like an old man

[Midnight Rider]

Thermodyne.....let's hope the doc is right.

Hotrod....I totally empathize and relate.  I know what it's like living with pain for years then all of a sudden have a simple surgery procedure and that pain is gone.  For me, it was the hip replacement. 

I've also had the back surgery to have a couple of discs removed after years of back pain.  That was about 24 yrs. ago and it was significantly better for years but gradually got worse again to the point where I could no longer ride even half hour pain free.  The price I've paid for years of abuse to the body....now I really act like an old man

Well, JC...if you guys get that 5th wheel down towards Alabama, I'll expect a stop at some of the great campgrounds we have around here and we can join you in our new big tent.  There's one of the nicest Army Corp of Engineers campgrounds about 40 miles from where I live now that I've ever seen.  My best buddy got a 5th wheel a year or so ago and we have a trip planned in early November to fully check the place out.

[2018_FLTRXSE]

I admire many of you for riding as long as you have.. thats truly the passion of riding.

I jacked my right knee and shoulder 10 years ago in a low speed wreck on my Fatboy... the shoulder was easy.. no major damage... The knee joint dislocated pretty bad and has never been 100% since... on occasion I've had to use my mechanical brace just to still be able to ride. The pain isnt bad (I'm tolerant) but the big concern is the sudden, occasional loss of strength/control.

Doc told me I'm too young to replace, (due to the age) but to try and live with it as long as I can tolerater it. Really dont want to drop a bike on its side and have to try to get it up again. Right now its on me to lose the weight I can to take excess weight off my knee for now... 20 pounds helps.... 60 more would be great.

[Keats]

I am out for a while with my ankle

[Keats]

This can happen if you loose your balance for a second and save the bike

[LovemyCVOgirl]

Whoa!  That look's painful  .  Did your MC fall on top on you. 

[FLY-DOG]

I ride with a guy at work (60 yrs young) who had his left leg blown off up to his knee years ago and wears an artificial leg on that side, then he died at work five years ago in the shop, fell out stone cold dead on the floor; lucky for him we had a defib on the wall and people you knew CPR, it took lots of pumping his heart by his co-workers and breathing into his mouth plus 5 separate electric shock paddle attempts to bring him back. When he came around he sat up and said what the fu__ are you doing to me!  He's been riding every since, that is until a stroke a month ago. Several of us drop by to see him everyday at home while he's recovering, yesterday I brought him a new Harley t-shirt for a little extra encouragement.  I know he'll ride with us again someday in the not too distant future.....he's a tough old former Vietnam era Marine so I know he'll be back!! Get well soon Charlie, we all love you!!

[spydglide]

This can happen if you loose your balance for a second and save the bike

Sorry to see this Keats.  Hope it heals up ok and as quickly as possible with no complications.  spyder

[Twolanerider]

I am out for a while with my ankle

Damn, that's ugly Jeff.  Sorry man.  How mobile are you and how much does it hurt?  Hope it heals fast.

[Ironhorse]

I learned decades ago (actually it was the 1st thing they taught us at police motor school), that if the bike is falling over at slow speed, or a stand still, to step off and away from the bike. Literally let go of the bars and step away from the bike so you don't get trapped under it. Hopefully you have crash bars, but let the bike take the damage, not you. It's a hard thing to instill in people, especially old timers with high dollar bikes. But the bike is easily repairable, the rider not so. At age 50 plus something, I would rather the bike be in the shop for 6 weeks getting paint and chrome, than I be down 6 months getting joints replaced and soft tissue repaired. it's easier to pickup a downed bike and ride away than it is to call a tow truck while you're being wheeled into an ambulance.

But that's just me. Others I'm sure will have their own suggestions.

[BUCKNUT GREG]

I learned decades ago (actually it was the 1st thing they taught us at police motor school), that if the bike is falling over at slow speed, or a stand still, to step off and away from the bike. Literally let go of the bars and step away from the bike so you don't get trapped under it. Hopefully you have crash bars, but let the bike take the damage, not you. It's a hard thing to instill in people, especially old timers with high dollar bikes. But the bike is easily repairable, the rider not so. At age 50 plus something, I would rather the bike be in the shop for 6 weeks getting paint and chrome, than I be down 6 months getting joints replaced and soft tissue repaired. it's easier to pickup a downed bike and ride away than it is to call a tow truck while you're being wheeled into an ambulance.

But that's just me. Others I'm sure will have their own suggestions.

Thanks for that info Mark.  I will definitly try to make that a practicefull thought when I am out and about.

[Porschestan]

I learned decades ago (actually it was the 1st thing they taught us at police motor school), that if the bike is falling over at slow speed, or a stand still, to step off and away from the bike. Literally let go of the bars and step away from the bike so you don't get trapped under it. Hopefully you have crash bars, but let the bike take the damage, not you. It's a hard thing to instill in people, especially old timers with high dollar bikes. But the bike is easily repairable, the rider not so. At age 50 plus something, I would rather the bike be in the shop for 6 weeks getting paint and chrome, than I be down 6 months getting joints replaced and soft tissue repaired. it's easier to pickup a downed bike and ride away than it is to call a tow truck while you're being wheeled into an ambulance.

But that's just me. Others I'm sure will have their own suggestions.

Great advise! Just have to plant it in our brains..it's counter intuitive..but just have to let it go..

Thank you..

[Keats]

Damn, that's ugly Jeff.  Sorry man.  How mobile are you and how much does it hurt?  Hope it heals fast.

Some details

about 1 1/2 years ago I was coming up to a stop and it was on a bank to the left.

I looked left clear, looked right clear (rolling stop 1st mistake), I started to turn left and low and behold a car coming fast from the left.
I jammed front brake on (hand faster than foot) and bike starting to fall left due to the wheel turned left.
I stomped my left foot down and caught the bike but heard an audible crack.

I did not go down, but I really thought I sprained it pretty good. I walked on it for almost 18 months and was getting worse.

Arthritis developed in the ankle and my ligaments were tore up so the ankle collapsed. The choice was either deal with a prostetic device the rest of my life or
have a Ankle arthrodesis surgery. I had the surgery.

Amazing enough the Pain was not my biggest concern, getting around just for basic survival was by far the hardest.
No weight on foot at all for 6 - 8 weeks.

just basic bathroom duties was near impossible. (thank god my wife was a big help)

I am fine and on the right road and will be riding again in no time.

PS it is a lot easier to just drop the bike when it is not yours and not a CVO.  I would not have a second thought in dropping a police bike.
 I do have crash bars, but the angle was steep enough that the bars would not have kept it from going over completely.
I am not completely sure what I would do if faced with the same situation now. My head says let it go, my reactions tell me to save it.






 

[Keats]

I learned decades ago (actually it was the 1st thing they taught us at police motor school), that if the bike is falling over at slow speed, or a stand still, to step off and away from the bike. Literally let go of the bars and step away from the bike so you don't get trapped under it. Hopefully you have crash bars, but let the bike take the damage, not you. It's a hard thing to instill in people, especially old timers with high dollar bikes. But the bike is easily repairable, the rider not so. At age 50 plus something, I would rather the bike be in the shop for 6 weeks getting paint and chrome, than I be down 6 months getting joints replaced and soft tissue repaired. it's easier to pickup a downed bike and ride away than it is to call a tow truck while you're being wheeled into an ambulance.

But that's just me. Others I'm sure will have their own suggestions.

That is the smart thing to do, but not natural

[MIKEYTEE]

Save your A$$ and let the bike go. I know it is hard to do but contrary to popular belief, bikes don't have feelings.
Mike
 

[cvobiker]

Save your A$$ and let the bike go. I know it is hard to do but contrary to popular belief, bikes don't have feelings.
Mike
 

X2   

[grandpadoc]

Holy chit, I've been telling everyone to through their body under the bike..."The meat grows back, but those Harley parts are expensive".

Just kidding Mark, really.  

[Keats]

Holy chit, I've been telling everyone to through their body under the bike..."The meat grows back, but those Harley parts are expensive".

MEAT DOES GROW BACK.......... AND NO MATTER WHAT, WATERING HARLEY PARTS DOES NOT MAKE THEM GROW

[Ironhorse]

It's not a natural thing to let a bike drop intentionally. I see it every week teaching as the riders, astride one of my training bikes struggle to step off and away and let the bike fall. I see the do strange things, like step off and away while still holding onto the bars expecting providence, the hand of God to up right the bike.

But like a snapping head turn it can be learned.

[CVODON]

Back surgery twice, 87 @ 35 and 99 @ 47 when they fused L4-L5, diabeties in 04, heart attack in 06, cartlidge in left knee since forever and just plain ole gettin old has made it harder to ride.
I no longer care if people make fun of my trailer. We ride where and how long we can then stop if necessary. We tow when we go far and ride when we get there.
It is just the way things are, I love to ride and do what I have to in order to allow that, if it means riding in the SUV to an event so I can ride the back roads around Sturgis when I get there, then that is the way it is.
But I hate it when folks get to the place they have to give it up. I know that time is coming for all of us, just fight it as long as possible before that date.