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Title: Passing Vehicles
Post by: Glide-man on October 12, 2020, 06:31:13 PM: I have a route I ride everyday. Lots of curves and views. They are mostly back roads single lane. some have no passing zones. I ride with ear plugs, radio blasting and have a louder exhaust with mufflers no straight pipes. Anyway my question is how do we pass other cars/ trucks moving slower than what we want to travel? Twice I have had angry drivers either flip me off or one guy in a pick up truck ran right up behind me missing me by inches and re passing me yelling and banging his hat against the steering wheel. Afraid he would slam on his brakes I re passed him and he yelled and followed me out of his way for a few miles. I drew my side arm and place it between my legs on my seat so that if I had too I could draw either hand. You never know about people anymore and the way I ride I had no idea what his problem was or if I needed to defend myself. I don't always follow the yellow line passing rules however i'm very cautious and always have more than enough space to pass safely . Never cut off people, just get ahead of them. my logic is better to be way ahead than riding frustrated behind someone and also making driver ahead nervous of a bike on his tail. So how wrong am I . Finger flipping and hat beating wrong? When did society start to feel they can flip off bikers and not get the crap stomped out of them? :orange: :huepfenjump3: :mango: :bananarock: :nixweiss: :carrot: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: OBB on October 12, 2020, 07:25:11 PM: When He's that pissed off that He passes you like that, it's time to back off and let Him go on His way. That sidearm isn't going to do a damn bit of good if He decides to run you over.

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Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: Fullsac Performance on October 12, 2020, 08:28:31 PM: Just a ques?
If your exhaust is loud enough that you wear ear plugs to tolerate it. Imagine what it sounds like to a driver in a vehicle with an open window that you throttle past a few feet away from. Loud unexpected noises scare the crap out of people. The finger flipping may be that reaction? Myself, I try to accelerate very hard from behind the vehicle I'm passing and roll out of the throttle as get along side and cruise by. So far so good. Nobody has tried to kill me.
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Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: Cat Eye on October 12, 2020, 08:46:31 PM: Maintain extreme separation, whether behind or in-front, of ANY and All angry, agitated, cell phone talking and texting, bird flipping cage drivers.
Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: Ironhorse on October 12, 2020, 10:27:00 PM: Speaking only for myself, I’m not sure drawing a weapon and putting it between your legs while riding a motorcycle is a good idea.

A bump or dip the the road, a quick maneuver, hard braking all may cause the weapon to fall onto the road. Now it’s behind you and useless. At the academy we were taught that the weapon stays in the holster till you are out of the car/off the bike. At motor school they said you can remove the glove from your strong side hand in anticipation of drawing. But the weapon stays in your holster until you dismount. It’s human nature to want to grab a weapon that’s shifting around, and you need your hands free to operate the controls.

If you carry a gun while riding, you may want to learn to draw and shoot and reload while wearing gloves. Practice stopping the bike, setting it on the side stand or just dumping it, drawing the weapon and shooting it while wearing gloves.

From 15mph:
1 come to a complete stop.
2 hit engine stop button.
3 either set the bike on the side stand or dump it on its side.
4 practice dismounting from both sides.
5 get behind the bike and take up either a kneeling or prone position.
6 draw weapon and engage threat.

A little tactical preparation and practice will more than make up for the time you think you are saving by drawing the weapon and placing it between you legs while the bike is still moving.

This is what I was taught, this is what I pass on. Feel free to consider it, or ignore it.
Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 13, 2020, 06:32:38 AM: I frequently will pass on curvy hilly two lane mountain roads passing or no passing zone. I like to run them quicker than most cages will. I have had only a few drivers get pissed about it.

My pipes are not obnoxious. Both have completed Fullsac set ups. I have had two drivers speed up to try to prevent the pass. I have never had one try to repass me, but if they tried, I doubt the would have enough acceleration to get around me. I do use my turn signal to let them know if looking in mirror I am going around. I use it also to let them know I am coming back in in front of them.

Most actually slow when they see me passing.
Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: TN on October 13, 2020, 07:36:32 AM: I get the pass done quickly :nixweiss: leaving any problems behind me.

I want to practice taking out a threat while riding at cruising speeds :drink:

Just Ride!
Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: porthole on October 13, 2020, 09:21:17 AM: I would think in some areas - brandishing a firearm will get you in a lot of trouble.

Suppose the pissed off driver is a local LEO?
Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: chaos901 on October 13, 2020, 09:28:58 AM: I do a lot of passing in Double Yellow areas, make it quick and go around. I have had people get mad, had one in MO that kept moving over to the middle so that I could not get around.

Always been my goal to not fight with cars or trucks as they will win in the end. They may be in the wrong but we are the ones getting hurt, or worse. IMO, drag pipes don't help and certainly not pulling a gun for a traffic situation.
Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: Glide-man on October 13, 2020, 09:56:15 AM: Great replies to my questions. I really do value your responses. to clarify my exhaust isn't the reason i ride with ear plugs but to block out the wind noise exhaust is D&D Fat Cats. I have my concealed carry license for 20 years and only pulled it that once to place between my legs. I truly felt the driver might try to run me into a ditch or worse. The roads were to curved in spots to out run him some curves were set at ten miles an hour. I was doing 80 at times and he passed me to get in front. I know i can downshift without the clutch but needed the throttle hand to speed up down or help break. having side arm on right , i couldn't draw from left lifting coat and shirt to get to it. I think pulling off into a driveway and dismounting and taking a position to draw and fire if needed might have been the best idea brought up. I had too much going on to think that out clearly. I will remember if I ever have a next time. practise practise practise..
Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: KGB on October 13, 2020, 10:11:48 AM: Just curious, what route, I’m local to you, just need to know if I have to carry

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Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: Glide-man on October 13, 2020, 10:26:55 AM: Hey there. Yes I see you picture of the gas station and you are indeed close to where I ride. Thru the metroparks and around Boston Heights, Richfield. Lets meet up next spring and ride it . I'm sure you have been on most if not all the roads thru there. I have a route I ride that brings me back home in a bout an hour or more depending on if I add other roads on way home. I don't enjoy riding in colder fall weather anymore. I can and have road in the dead of winter when it was snowing. I just don't enjoy colder weather . Ready to ditch Ohio for some warmer places....
Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: iski on October 13, 2020, 11:14:28 AM: Riding for 50+years. Younger days - dirt bikes - we would kick the side of a car if the driver pissed us off. As I got older I did less of that & doubt would try it anymore. Have had drivers throw stuff at me, try to run me off the road, speed up when I tried to pass, & veer into the passing lane on 2 lane roads when passing. Flipped off, yelled at - all of the above. Lots of jerk behavior. Most drivers - the vast majority are not. It's the few idiot drivers that make the bad memories. When I pass a vehicle now I make it as quick as possible. Less time next to a car or truck the better. Bad juju to ride alongside a truck or car for a long time at speed. If I am riding in a group & the bikes in front are taking too long to pass a vehicle, I hang back. When it's my turn I pass as quickly as I can & get over in front to make room for the next rider.

Some drivers are assholes. Some drivers think it's a race track & they don't want anyone to pass them. Some drivers hate motorcycles. Why? Because they are dumbasses. Have seen the same behavior from bikers. Twisty road & a bike is poking along & when you try to pass they pull over into the passing lane or speed up or ride like an asshole. Why? Because they are dumbasses.

Have never pulled a gun on anyone while riding because if I did I would be ready to use it. Will admit the thought has crossed my mind briefly but there is too much other stuff going on to have a Wild West shootout on a highway. Also do not want my horse to be shot out from under me. ;D
Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: Glide-man on October 13, 2020, 07:12:14 PM: I agree drivers can be dumb azz's. I want to be clear I pulled side arm and placed between legs. others never saw me do it. I Never pointed or advertise i have protection. I will however use it if needed to. I truck driving up to within inches of me and swerving at last moment at 80 miles an hour I view a threat. I had to stop at a stop sign and turned and moved mt pistol before he got up to me. I heard this and try to make it true. " be hard to kill and harder to convict.. thanks for all input.
Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: JCZ on October 13, 2020, 10:48:41 PM: I would never drive over the speed limit and I would never pass on a double yellow.......I'm a dainty rider! But the guy behind me.......he's a maniac.....I would never ride like he does!
Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: SDCVO on October 13, 2020, 11:56:55 PM: Quote from: JCZ on October 13, 2020, 10:48:41 PM
I would never drive over the speed limit and I would never pass on a double yellow.......I'm a dainty rider! But the guy behind me.......he's a maniac.....I would never ride like he does!
You are the worst influence on my law abiding riding style...
Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: OBB on October 14, 2020, 06:25:52 AM: Quote from: JCZ on October 13, 2020, 10:48:41 PM
I would never drive over the speed limit and I would never pass on a double yellow.......I'm a dainty rider! But the guy behind me.......he's a maniac.....I would never ride like he does!
Uh huh,,, which one of you was leading when this nice guy with the lights decided to ask for an autograph from the Richard Petty look alike on a bike? lol
Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: KGB on October 14, 2020, 07:33:18 AM: Quote from: Glide-man on October 13, 2020, 10:26:55 AM
Hey there. Yes I see you picture of the gas station and you are indeed close to where I ride. Thru the metroparks and around Boston Heights, Richfield. Lets meet up next spring and ride it . I'm sure you have been on most if not all the roads thru there. I have a route I ride that brings me back home in a bout an hour or more depending on if I add other roads on way home. I don't enjoy riding in colder fall weather anymore. I can and have road in the dead of winter when it was snowing. I just don't enjoy colder weather . Ready to ditch Ohio for some warmer places....

Yes we will have to defiantly get together for a ride, I ride mostly South, RT62, 93, 250, 800, Mohican, Seneca Lake, Cambridge, to name a few, just seems to have more hills and curves.
Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: JCZ on October 14, 2020, 11:56:16 AM: Quote from: SDCVO on October 13, 2020, 11:56:55 PM
You are the worst influence on my law abiding riding style...

:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: JCZ on October 14, 2020, 11:57:44 AM: Quote from: OBB on October 14, 2020, 06:25:52 AM
Uh huh,,, which one of you was leading when this nice guy with the lights decided to ask for an autograph from the Richard Petty look alike on a bike? lol

I'm pleadin "NOT GUILTY" yer honor.......he has a rigged dash cam, dammit!
Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: FLY-DOG on October 14, 2020, 02:20:02 PM: When I was young and lived in California (1970’s) I would take more chances when riding my bikes. Now that I'm older, if I pass a vehicle and the driver attempts to pass me back, I let him. It's hard to win against an angry driver in a cage while riding 2 wheels. Even though I carry 100% of the time I would never draw my Glock unless I felt my life was in immediate danger and there was no other way to de-escalate the situation.
Title: Re: Passing Vehicles
Post by: kojak on October 18, 2020, 04:55:27 AM: I ride twisty single lane mountain roads all the time and in my line of work, I drive about 1200 miles weekly in a company vehicle. You’re asking about 2 different situations in my opinion. First, if I run into someone experiencing road rage, I disengage by putting distance between that vehicle and myself quickly. Same for if I see someone driving recklessly endangering themselves or others. They could be mad or worse under the influence. Last thing I would do is pull a weapon.
Second, I generally ride much faster than most vehicles on twisting, I never pass someone and linger in front of them. All they see is my tail lights disappearing. If I run into someone who wants to race, I let them have their fun and keep a safe distance.