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CVO Technical => Electronic Toys and Gadgets => Topic started by: CVOjunkie on May 15, 2010, 11:15:59 AM
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Has anybody ran these speakers and what do you think I have a 04 seeg
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Check this out:
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=47586.0
I have the 7.25 along with the amp. Very pleased.
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Has anybody ran these speakers and what do you think I have a 04 seeg
I went to Dr. V-Twin and Shawn for my 7.25" SERG speakers. I did the black grills/tweeters.
They installed in about an hour, start to finish. They are SO much better than the stock speakers. I did NOT do the amp, just the original HK power supply from the stock head unit. My wife has me turning down the speakers now while we ride. The distortion is gone and the volume, even with full bass, is great; more than loud enough for 70/80 mph riding.
I would highly recommend them... :2vrolijk_21:
At first I wasn't sure about how they hook up, with three speakers in each side, but they have built in crossovers for cutting out the low frequencies to the tweeters and highs to the 7.25" speakers. It was literally plug n play.
(http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL846/863774/22312062/387236844.jpg)
I really like the looks of these.
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Installed them in my seuc5 and love them. Much cleaner and clearer sound by far.
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I just replaced my 6.5" Pioneer 4-way speakers (with adapters) wich everybody thought sounded great today. Oh my gos :bananarock:h! I was a little skeptical of if / how much better they were going to sound, but after I buttoned the fairing back up and turned it on, I was wondering why I didn't do this sooner. They sound amazing, very clear, even at high volume. I have had an Arc Audio amp in it for awhile, but couldn't believe the sound. Great dealings with Dr VTwin, our price for cvo members is $219.95 shipped, can't beat that.
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I just got mine, and was a little surprised at the size. We've all seen automotive 6-1/2" door mounts, and 6" x 9" rear deck speakers for reference, so when I opened the box, these "7.25"'s seemed rather small in appearance. I took out the ruler and measured exactly 6.25" from the furthest edge of the surround or foam roll ends. The only way I could get any measurement anywhere near 7.25" was going from diagonal bolt holes. I dunno, but the 6-1/2 Polks I put in my truck a while back seem larger - and certainly had much, much larger magnets. It's going to be interesting to see how these sound?
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It might be like measurin a TV screen, Your kit has the reducing cones and the foam pads for the outer fairing? I've had mine side by side with a few differant set ups ie Hawg wired amp and speakers etc etc and by far I'd stick with the J& M's
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Compared to the stockers, the front were definitely a lot bigger. Got everything installed, and it's kind of late to be cranking them up now but they do sound better. The proof will be in the pudding tomorrow on the road.
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I posted on another thread that I am getting them installed in my 2009 SERG right now- the wrench was having problems getting the fairing back on and thought it was the speakers, but now says the foam was causing a problem by where the glove boxes are, so he cut a bit away, and has it back on.
I'm eager to see how much better they are as compared to the Hog Tunes- My bike had the older RG Hog Tunes speakers, along with their amp- they sounded much better than stock, but I wanted a bit more bass and more clarity on the highway, so hopefully I'll have that now.
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I had a bit of an issue with the foam too. I had to move some of the looms a bit, and then mount each screw and take turns tightening them up slowly. I'm sure the foam will compress just fine in those areas of interference.
Fwiw, the speakers are much better than the stockers. I guess I was expecting a little more, but it's definitely a step up. I think I read a few comments here and elsewhere in that you can pretty much crank these things without any distortion. That is absolutely not the case. Even with a CD, instead of the iPod, at anything over 50% they start distorting noticably, and the sound degrades quickly. Granted, the loudness at this 50% is much higher by perhaps 25% over where the stocker break up, with better highs, and somewhat lower lows. I actually thought the rear speakers improved more so than the fronts? I suspect the 250w amp would help some, but I'm just scratching my head that it's only a 2 channel amp for a 4 channel set up? I think I'll wait to upgrade the amp until they come out with a 4ch version.
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I had a bit of an issue with the foam too. I had to move some of the looms a bit, and then mount each screw and take turns tightening them up slowly. I'm sure the foam will compress just fine in those areas of interference.
Fwiw, the speakers are much better than the stockers. I guess I was expecting a little more, but it's definitely a step up. I think I read a few comments here and elsewhere in that you can pretty much crank these things without any distortion. That is absolutely not the case. Even with a CD, instead of the iPod, at anything over 50% they start distorting noticably, and the sound degrades quickly. Granted, the loudness at this 50% is much higher by perhaps 25% over where the stocker break up, with better highs, and somewhat lower lows. I actually thought the rear speakers improved more so than the fronts? I suspect the 250w amp would help some, but I'm just scratching my head that it's only a 2 channel amp for a 4 channel set up? I think I'll wait to upgrade the amp until they come out with a 4ch version.
Somethin must not be right. I can crank mine to 100% volume with full bass and full treble and not get one bit of distortion. On the road the guy behind me can hear my music and I'm not even at full vol. Now with the new Zumo 665 the MP 3 volume can't even get past 3/4 vol. One of the best upgrade yet.
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The connectors only fit on the correct speaker tabs? How can you possibly get it wrong? Are you running the stock amp or the J&M 250w deal?
Don't get me wrong, at ~50% (up to the L or U in the word Volume on the display) it's definitely a good bit louder, and better quality, but any higher than that, it begins to distort. I haven't tried the volume at 100%, but I can't fathom the distortion would improve pushing it further? I guess different people have different thresholds? I dunno. What kind of music are you playing?
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Happy with mine. Full volume sounds fine but I have to back it down with CDs. Got mine through Dr. V-Twin also. Like a few I'm waiting on the 4ch amp. The 250W J&M amp is a great product when hooked up to only the front speakers. For Street and Road Glides I highly recommend it!
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The connectors only fit on the correct speaker tabs? How can you possibly get it wrong? Are you running the stock amp or the J&M 250w deal?
Don't get me wrong, at ~50% (up to the L or U in the word Volume on the display) it's definitely a good bit louder, and better quality, but any higher than that, it begins to distort. I haven't tried the volume at 100%, but I can't fathom the distortion would improve pushing it further? I guess different people have different thresholds? I dunno. What kind of music are you playing?
I experience the same thing with the speakers and amp in my Street Glide. up to the L or U in Volume on the display. Definitely a bit louder and clearer - cranks real well when I am stopped or at real slow speed but when I am on highway at anything above about 70 mph I still can't seem to hear it well without a lot of distortion if turned up any higher.
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I experience the same thing with the speakers and amp in my Street Glide. up to the L or U in Volume on the display. Definitely a bit louder and clearer - cranks real well when I am stopped or at real slow speed but when I am on highway at anything above about 70 mph I still can't seem to hear it well without a lot of distortion if turned up any higher.
Yeah, that's pretty much what i'm experiencing. I'm sure that smoother doctors office music can go louder more easily than hard hitting rock, so that might be part of it too. I dunno. I'm happy, but you always want more. Gimme that 4 ch 500w'er already!
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I dunno, If we're pullin into a parking lot with a few bikes I've got "Ride of The Valkeries" BLASTIN, Long trips might go from Pink Floyd to Van Morrisson, or Motown to James Gang, my SD card has 3000 MP3's. I think you guys might be hearin road noise or wind distortion, me thinks if it's not distorted stationary it's not distorted at road speed. I don't think there's anything shy headphones that's gonna give clarity at road speed, But I don't know that much, so I'm just sayin.
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Opossum, the reason why you can go to 100% is the MP3's are probably at a lower line level. A good reference is a CD which are much higher quality to begin with, and tend to be in a same line level range. If you have Metallica's Black album, a good acknowledged reference source, see how high you can go with that on track #2 before it starts degrading. That will give you a level playing field.
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I've installed the 7.25" in my SERG without the amp.
I find that I can listen to it as loud as I care to listen without distortion. Some songs tend to be more problematic than others, but my music tends to go from jazz, Motown, Eagles, James Gang, Linda Ronstat, Aaron Neville, Acoustic Alchemy all without any audible distortion at volumes I ride at.
I will say that in a previous life I had a kick butt Eclipse head unit and Infinity speakers with a Bazooka sub, all separately powered. This was setup in my '40 Willys coupe with 3" exhaust with a blown 392 hemi.
I could listen to Mary Chapin Carpenter all day in my garage or at a car show and then when I got on the road I about blew my ear drums out because of the piercing "noise" of her voice etc.
My car, and probably lots of the bikes here, had a resonance to the exhaust that cancelled out a lot of frequencies in the music and left just "noise" that was not very nice to listen to. Some other artists were not as bad, but hers was the worst with her voice and the way they recorded the music.
Flowmaster car mufflers work on the same noise cancelling arrangement to keep the loudness down and the rumble up.
Road noise, air noise, exhaust noise all add to our problem because of the frequencies of the music and our self induced noises.
Noise cancelling headphones are about the only way to ride and have good sounds.
But... I prefer to ride without headphones and listen to the music the best I can.
I really enjoy the upgrade to J&M speakers very much. I think for the money they are a great investment. An amp will put a little more piss in the pistons, so to speak, and the of course will be better to fight some of our "extra" noise we have to deal with while riding.
These are just the thoughts of a rambling fool... The above ramblings and 50 cents will by you a soda from our pop machine.
You see I used soda and pop in the same sentence. Being from Michigan all I drank was pop. Now in St. Louis I no longer drink pop, but have switched to soda. Some days when I want to live life on the edge, I drink soda pop to feel my rebellious side.
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You see I used soda and pop in the same sentence. Being from Michigan all I drank was pop. Now in St. Louis I no longer drink pop, but have switched to soda. Some days when I want to live life on the edge, I drink soda pop to feel my rebellious side.
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Thanks for the laugh. I've got family all around the country and run into the soda/pop controversy too. I even have heard some folks say tonic? I just go with gimme a Coke. If the wife's around, make it a Diet Coke, but don't let her see the splash of Jack.
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Well my J&M's are in (minus my Hogtunes amp)- I find that there is little to no distortion, even at full volume- way less distortion than the Hogtunes 902.2. I don't think it's loud enough for me though, but that's at highway speeds with the wind noise from my 12"KW, and ear plugs in.
Once I get my amp re-installed, I'm sure it will be plenty loud and clear.
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Are you going with the J&M 250w?
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I just installed these speakers last week on my RG and love them! The best money I ever spent and I dont plan on installing a AMP. I bought them from Phat Motorcyles in Cal. for $219.95.... FREE shipping and no sales tax :)
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I just installed these speakers last week on my RG and love them! The best money I ever spent and I dont plan on installing a AMP. I bought them from Phat Motorcyles in Cal. for $219.95.... FREE shipping and no sales tax :)
$.02. If I may quote myself:
Shawn at DrVtwin sent me one of the first J&M amps for the Road Glide fairing. Others have written about wanting to upgrade speakers without upgrading the amp. Trust me, the amp is worth it! :2vrolijk_21: While you can get better sound by upgrading speakers, the HD head unit just does not have enough power to give you any dynamic range out of the speakers. Install of the amp was night and day better.
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Are you going with the J&M 250w?
No-I bought the bike with the hogtunes 902.2 speakers and a hogtunes amp- I wanted to upgrade the speakers, so I got the J&M's, but the idiot who installed them removed my hogtunes amp, for some unknown reason. So, I am going elsewhere to have the hogtunes amp re-installed.
At least the idiot's mistake allowed me to see what the J&Ms sound like without an amp, and they are almost good enough, so I'm pretty sure the hogtunes amp will be more than sufficient- since the bike already came with this amp, I don't see much sense in spending $350.00 on the J&M amp, and while I'm sure it's louder, it might be overkill for what I want, plus I can think of plenty of things I'd rather buy for the bike with that cash.
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has anyone installed these speakers on the HK advanced system that comes on the cvo ultra classic? currently with stock speakers i have lots of volume but is very tinny sounding. if i also went with the jm amp would it go in line with the current 80 watt channel amp that is on the bike? need to do something or turn off the radio.
thanks for any help
mike
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I did. The J&M speakers sound great front and back. I tried the amp and it rocked the front as long as I didn't splice the signal going to the factory amp. I wanted all four so I sent the amp back. If J&M comes up with a 4ch amp I will be one of the first in line and remove the factory amp. They put some time in the bracket the relocates the XM and Nav modules and mounts the amp above the HK.
Give Dr. V-twin a buzz if you want anything. Great bunch of guys and they know what they are talking about because they have the equipment on their own bikes.
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I had Dr. V Twin install the 7.25 speakers and amp. What an improvement over stock! Great sound and now bsr can hear the music even when she wears a full face. Of course, with a half helmet, sound is the best.
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Has anybody iunstalled hte J & M in a 2004 SEEG with the stock radio?
If so what part number speakers? Thanks
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Hi
has anyone installed these speakers on the HK advanced system that comes on the cvo ultra classic? currently with stock speakers i have lots of volume but is very tinny sounding. if i also went with the jm amp would it go in line with the current 80 watt channel amp that is on the bike? need to do something or turn off the radio.
thanks for any help
mike
I'm not a tech or audiophile, but it's generally true that amps shouldn't be wired in series. Check with the amp's mfr. or vendor before you do it. In any event, an amp probably won't do much for the tinny sound you're concerned with.
Carl
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My harley parts man said you need to be careful when adding amps to the stock HD radio. he said some amps make it so the handle bar control quit operating, he also said BikeTronics is a very good plug and play system, do the J&M speakers and amp work OK with the handle bar controls?
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My harley parts man said you need to be careful when adding amps to the stock HD radio. he said some amps make it so the handle bar control quit operating, he also said BikeTronics is a very good plug and play system, do the J&M speakers and amp work OK with the handle bar controls?
The handlebar controls operate the radio only and since the amp is connected to the output side of the radio it has no affect on the controls. Many members here have amps with no problems--J&M, Hawg Wired and others. The only issues with handlebar controls not working is when you change the head unit from stock HD to aftermatket.
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My harley parts man said you need to be careful when adding amps to the stock HD radio. he said some amps make it so the handle bar control quit operating, he also said BikeTronics is a very good plug and play system, do the J&M speakers and amp work OK with the handle bar controls?
My J&M amp was plug and play. I have had zero issues with the handle bar controls since adding the amp
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Has anyone had trouble with when replacing the factory speakers with the heavier J&M breaking the speaker mounts?
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I had the Hawg Wired speakers and those are way heavier than the stock ones...no problems here....had them on 2 bikes.
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Has anyone installed these speakers on the 2011 SESG, replacing the upper and lower fairing speakers? If so, what difference, if any, did it make? I like the new system but think it could use more bass response and it could be more clear at volumes above about 50%.
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Had them on my RG now for about 6 months, no problems!!! Great sound without the amp!!!
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As I understand it, the speakers on the 11 SESG are not only greater in quantity (lower fairing speakers) but also different than the stock speakers on other batwing fairing bikes. The amp is also different. If all of that is correct, I am wondering if what we have on the 11 SESG is equivalent to the Hawg wired setup and whether I can garner some improvement by simply going to the J&M 7.25s???
I know that the 2011 SESG setup sounds better than the stock FLHXs and the Electraglides as I have compared those.
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J&M is in the process of making a complete kit for the SESG2--upper and lower speakers and a new amp if you choose to replace all. I was thinking of trying just the fairing speakers on mine first to see how it sounds.
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J&M is in the process of making a complete kit for the SESG2--upper and lower speakers and a new amp if you choose to replace all. I was thinking of trying just the fairing speakers on mine first to see how it sounds.
That is good to know. I will wait for the specific replacement "kit" and try that. We just had an odd 58 degree day and I was able to post another 150 miles. Good time to really listen to the stereo. It loses fidelity at volumes around the 50% and up which is where you need it for highway speeds (70 plus).