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Author Topic: Are Harley-Davidsons Too Reliable?  (Read 9170 times)

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Re: hd is to reliable for there own good!!
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2016, 05:02:03 PM »

Belongs in Humor :huepfenlol2:

Or in the GiGo file.  Used when all data isn't considered for sales statements.  After all, it's easy to claim significant fleet reliability levels when so much of that fleet gets so few miles compared to other more regular vehicles.  I'd love to see someone generate fleet reliability data for Harley's that average 15,000 miles per year over 15 (or even 10) years.
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Re: hd is to reliable for there own good!!
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2016, 05:20:02 PM »


More BS from the masters of BS.  The real reason there are so many old Harley's still around is NOT a testament to the reliability of the product, but rather a testament to the time and effort and money people have invested in them to keep them in running condition.

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Re: hd is to reliable for there own good!!
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2016, 05:28:25 PM »

  jerry. are you and don suggesting that article has no merit and numbers represented are although factual are possibly tainted or even tilted toward being baised. :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
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Re: hd is to reliable for there own good!!
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2016, 05:53:17 PM »

This is not surprising....what do you think the average number of miles that most Harley's are ridden in a year?

I know of three guys who ride their Harley only a couple hundred miles a year.....I call this the "Wild Hogs Syndrome".

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Re: hd is to reliable for there own good!!
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2016, 05:59:47 PM »

This is not surprising....what do you think the average number of miles that most Harley's are ridden in a year?

I know of three guys who ride their Harley only a couple hundred miles a year.....I call this the "Wild Hogs Syndrome".

My cousins husband has a 2012 Ultra Classic with 1300 miles in it.  His eyes just glaze over when I tell him the first day of our bi annual trip to the Rocky Mountains is a 1000 mile riding day.  And when we return home 12 to 15 days later, we've traveled in the neighborhood of 6,000 miles...

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Re: hd is to reliable for there own good!!
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2016, 06:07:58 PM »

My cousins husband has a 2012 Ultra Classic with 1300 miles in it.  His eyes just glaze over when I tell him the first day of our bi annual trip to the Rocky Mountains is a 1000 mile riding day.  And when we return home 12 to 15 days later, we've traveled in the neighborhood of 6,000 miles...

Know what you mean...and there are a lot of garage queen Harley out there :-* :-*
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Re: hd is to reliable for there own good!!
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2016, 08:18:30 PM »

They say a picture is worth a 1000 words.
Bike has 13,000 miles on it, 9 months old and bent valves.  Having my mechanic bullet proof the motor.. Draw your own conclusions..
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Re: hd is to reliable for there own good!!
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2016, 08:20:28 PM »

They say a picture is worth a 1000 words.
Bike has 13,000 miles on it, 9 months old and bent valves.  Having my mechanic bullet proof the motor.. Draw your own conclusions..

What are you having done to your motor? 
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Re: hd is to reliable for there own good!!
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2016, 09:42:34 PM »

This is what I'd expect the HD mgmt team to say...they're going to spin the truth.  Of all the info in the article, the one number that stood out - inventory has increased by 31% since this time last year.

I realize this is anecdotal, but a long-time Harley riding buddy just got rid of his 2011 SERG and purchased an Indian Vintage and a Scout.  Competition from Indian and Harley's aging customer demographics are starting to impact the MoCo.

Bent valves after 9 months and 13k?  The 110 curse continues...and many are clamoring for the 110 to be the standard non-CVO engine. 
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Re: hd is to reliable for there own good!!
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2016, 11:15:20 PM »

When I read the article it looked like it was written by the HD PR firm.

It is nice seeing Indian taking a few of their scalps.  After all the dealers have been skinning their customers for years.

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Re: Are Harley-Davidsons Too Reliable?
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2016, 11:24:13 PM »

interesting article!!!
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Re: Are Harley-Davidsons Too Reliable?
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2016, 12:08:41 AM »

Thanks for posting that.  It is interesting, but not for what the very misleading title tries to make us think.  It should have been titled "Why MoCo Can't Sell All The Bikes It's Making," and then added some more info about the overall ownership cost of an HD compared to other makes.  Of course, that would have made it a hit piece, and a shiite-storm would have sprung up.

IMO, the author either has no knowledge of bike ownership and accepted the premise of the MoCo statement about the percentage of HDs still running, or he's in collusion with HD to hide the structural problems that the previous CEO left for Levatich (primarily, low quality of engineering and reliability, with the twin goals of boosting initial sales' profit margins and increasing the amount spent on replacing inferior quality parts).

There's an important message about the used/repo market that is glossed over:  customers are selling, or walking away from, their bikes to get out from under the cost.  Most of those customers aren't buying a new replacement.  Many others compare cost of new vs. used...and go used.  My "home" dealer has figured that out:  they actively attend the auctions to buy repos, and they sell 3 times as many used as new.  Their initial profits are higher on used bikes' sales, and they can count on plenty of repeat business for maintenance and repairs.  It worked well for them, and they expanded greatly, even during the past 8 or 9 years of a poor economy.  Meanwhile, many other dealers changed hands or went under.

If more dealers realize they can do better in the used market, MoCo will have a harder time selling their inventory, at least until (1) used inventory is drawn down and dealer's margins approach those of new bikes, and/or (2) MoCo reduces the price they charge to dealers.  And even if all that happens, people who who have "income insecurity" due to the overall-poor economy will tend to buy used just for the lower entry cost.

IMO, CEO Levatich inherited a flaming sack of dog-doo from the previous CEO, who got out in the nick of time.  It's going to take some fancy dancing to keep HD as profitable as it has been, and I would sell my stock if I had any.
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Re: Are Harley-Davidsons Too Reliable?
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2016, 08:18:35 AM »

I ride a lot. (22,000 a year) and have had a lot done to the motor just to keep it running....
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