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Re: Does he deserve to be our President?
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2008, 06:05:49 PM »

Great Picture, Thank You  :2vrolijk_21:

You should thank Bill too.  :D :D :D :D
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Re: Does he deserve to be our President?
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2008, 06:06:42 PM »

There was a special on one of the Discovery Channels on this, that Ken and I watched. The technology to convert garbage to fuel is there. The technology to use the fuel to create Hydrogen is there. The technology to use the Hydrogen in Fuel Cells is there. Basically, garbage in, converted to energy, and the byproduct is H2O! It's not inconceivable. Actually, they never looked at it as putting it all together in one package, like Ken said, by dumping the garbage into your trunk. That was my crazy hair-brained scheme! But I don't think it's that far of a reach! :o

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Re: Does he deserve to be our President?
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2008, 06:08:48 PM »

Surely you jest...

Were it not for the EPA, we'd all be killing each other right now for a drink of water.  Do you think for one millisecond that the corporations would have EVER cleaned up their dumping of toxins in our rivers, burying cancer causing chemicals so they could leach into the water table, or dumping chit into the air that was (still is) denuding our forests, killing our fish, etc,  on their own?  Go buy you some property on The Love Canal if you believe so strongly in how much corporate America cares about you.  Hell, strip mine the Shenandoah Mountains up to your back door...there might be two days worth of energy in them for us to use.

I don't even HAVE kids, but I hope there is something green for everybody else's to look at 100 years from now.  With some of the attitudes expressed here, there wouldn't be.  I hope I'm dead long before....

They did all that while passing the saving $$$$ on to you -- enjoy
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Re: Does he deserve to be our President?
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2008, 06:26:06 PM »

They did all that while passing the saving $$$$ on to you -- enjoy

I don't give a flyin' chit about the $$$...I'm thinking outside my self here.

The USA, being the most powerful, richest, etc country in the world, should be setting EXAMPLES through it's leadership at all levels, and POSITIVE EXAMPLES, not examples about how stupid some of our leaders (political and corporate) have been and continue to be.

All things are connected on this planet...life, politics, religion, economics.  I want a leader who understands something past the end of their friggin' noses, or pocketbooks.  Singular issue politicians are ignorant...you cannot do something in one place and not impact something somewhere else.  Whether we like it or not, agree on it or not...we are all connected on this blue ball, especially now.  If you don't believe me, just hide and watch what happens in our lifetime, or your children's.  I am optimistic that reasonable people in this country will prevail in decisions which will impact us for the next 200 + years...I would hope that others feel the same way.

Alternative energy sources MUST happen at some point...why not let it begin now?
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Re: Does he deserve to be our President?
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2008, 06:32:30 PM »

For those that have the belief that Bush is a liar and the war in Iraq all started with his administration you may be interested in reading this http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Danger-Zone-Military-1987-1988/dp/1591149703/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201127869&sr=1-1 It is a historical background with plenty of footnotes to back it up.

We should of taken care of Iraq when they illegally fired upon the USS Stark and killed 37 American Sailors!!!!! By the way, we would have if the American electorate had the cojones.  :coolblue:

Boy we have short memories!!

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« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2008, 07:08:33 PM »

For those that have the belief that Bush is a liar and the war in Iraq all started with his administration you may be interested in reading this http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Danger-Zone-Military-1987-1988/dp/1591149703/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201127869&sr=1-1 It is a historical background with plenty of footnotes to back it up.

We should of taken care of Iraq when they illegally fired upon the USS Stark and killed 37 American Sailors!!!!! By the way, we would have if the American electorate had the cojones.  :coolblue:

Boy we have short memories!!


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And we should have done it with a vengeance never unleashed before. As we got more "politically correct", and substituted our vengeance with diplomacy, we started being perceived by these terrorists as being weak. We never taught them not to mistake kindness for weakness. Now they aren't in fear of our power, as everyone once was. They don't think we have the balls to piss off the rest of the world. It's time to show the world how strong we really are again. And I hope it's not too late for that!

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Re: Does he deserve to be our President?
« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2008, 09:39:28 PM »

And we should have done it with a vengeance never unleashed before. As we got more "politically correct", and substituted our vengeance with diplomacy, we started being perceived by these terrorists as being weak. We never taught them not to mistake kindness for weakness. Now they aren't in fear of our power, as everyone once was. They don't think we have the balls to piss off the rest of the world. It's time to show the world how strong we really are again. And I hope it's not too late for that!

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The original "news" piece on lies is another typical AP slam - but this time it can be turned around on them. Media has LESS credibility than politicians, and in this case, the media CONTINUES to lie. Have not read the study the article refers to, but the article doesn't state the facts - almost ALL politicians - both parties - supported Iraq invasion & said the SAME things.  Bush policy was Clinton's poicy re: Iraq.  Historical revisionistic crappola now rules the Dems.  Its so politicized now so when a news piece pops up that trashes one's political opponent, its pile on time.  Later, when the news is good for one's favorite pol, its gloat time.  Ridiculous.  Get a real kick out of the idea that President Bush is not a smart guy.  He is.  That is one of his better points & his political enemies will NEVER understand that.

As to renewable energy & other forms of political boondoggles - its a waste of time.  We need to drill, mine, & get what we can get & in the meantime some biz ypes will figure out the next generation.  using govt. resources for alternative energy creates ETHANOL - the biggest boondoggle of a generation in waste.

 :2vrolijk_21: Agreed on your comments re: war & our military abilities.  We used to kick ass,  It's time we did again.
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Re: Does he deserve to be our President?
« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2008, 10:41:15 PM »

I firmly believe in our system and will fight efforts of liberals to undermine it weather it be in a form of socialist programs (entitlements) or redistribution of wealth.......I want Big government out of my life......always vote against tax increases........vote for term limits........vote for line item veto.....
get rid of estate taxes..........make government smaller

The more money government gets the more it wastes..........

we need a legit conservative movement.......balanced fiscal policy........no more pet projects.......If Calif does not want to allow
power generation in their state let them do without power and gas  let the state take control of their thermostats......but not me

let them build nuclear power plants and oil refineries   we need the power.........

the not in my backyard mentality has to stop or let them do without......

common sense must prevail........not special interests
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Re: Does he deserve to be our President?
« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2008, 10:48:06 PM »

We should of taken care of Iraq when they illegally fired upon the USS Stark and killed 37 American Sailors!!!!! By the way, we would have if the American electorate had the cojones.  :coolblue:

Boy we have short memories!!

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Bravo!!!  Well Said!
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Re: Does he deserve to be our President?
« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2008, 11:07:59 PM »

I firmly believe in our system and will fight efforts of liberals to undermine it weather it be in a form of socialist programs (entitlements) or redistribution of wealth.......I want Big government out of my life......always vote against tax increases........vote for term limits........vote for line item veto.....
get rid of estate taxes..........make government smaller

The more money government gets the more it wastes..........

we need a legit conservative movement.......balanced fiscal policy........no more pet projects.......If Calif does not want to allow
power generation in their state let them do without power and gas  let the state take control of their thermostats......but not me

let them build nuclear power plants and oil refineries   we need the power.........

the not in my backyard mentality has to stop or let them do without......

common sense must prevail........not special interests

We need to get you into politics! ;)


Regarding drilling & refineries, I am really tired of all these politicians and special interest groups crying & whining anytime drilling for oil is mentioned in California & Florida.  You are right, they just don't want it in their backyard.  Now, it's alright to drill for oil and have refineries here in Oklahoma, but never where they live.  Well it hasn't hurt Oklahoma (in fact, we are kinda proud of the oil derricks and jack-pumps around our landscape).  And it hasn't had any noticeable effect on the wildlife.  I have seen deer with in site of jack-pumps casually grazing.
Until we elect leaders that have the common sense needed to realize that we need to utilize the natural resources available, our economy will continue to spiral downward due to unnecessarily high fuel cost. 
The problem is that a large percentage of voters continue to either vote uninformed or vote with their own selfish interest in mind.
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Re: Does he deserve to be our President?
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2008, 12:09:51 AM »

We need to get you into politics! ;)


Regarding drilling & refineries, I am really tired of all these politicians and special interest groups crying & whining anytime drilling for oil is mentioned in California & Florida.  You are right, they just don't want it in their backyard.  Now, it's alright to drill for oil and have refineries here in Oklahoma, but never where they live.  Well it hasn't hurt Oklahoma (in fact, we are kinda proud of the oil derricks and jack-pumps around our landscape).  And it hasn't had any noticeable effect on the wildlife.  I have seen deer with in site of jack-pumps casually grazing.
Until we elect leaders that have the common sense needed to realize that we need to utilize the natural resources available, our economy will continue to spiral downward due to unnecessarily high fuel cost. 
The problem is that a large percentage of voters continue to either vote uninformed or vote with their own selfish interest in mind.

With all due respect...in your first post, you mention conservative fiscal policy that balances the budget...I think Clinton was the first in may years that actually accomplished that goal, and left George M (for Moron...he got his degree from Harvard because his daddy contributed large sums of money to the institution...I work in a large Urban Univ. so know a little bit about the politics of such things) a surplus to squaller, which he wasted no time in doing with 600 dollar "rebates" to people who went out and blew the money.  Also, I don't know if it's "we don't want in our backyard" or if some people realize that enough is enough with regards to present or future damage to what is left.  You see deer grazing by the oil pumps because MAN has eliminated all their natural predators, not because they LIKE the oil pumps!!

I pose this question to all who propose "utilizing our natural resources to their fullest extent":  Where do you draw the line for present and future generations...when the whole f'ing country looks like Mars?
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Re: Does he deserve to be our President?
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2008, 05:49:03 AM »

I'm as conservative as they come but I think the future of energy comes from solar, wind, and water.  You make a reference to earth resembling Mars.  That pretty much happened in Pennsylvania in the beginning of the last century as entire counties were cleared for their wood  and the mountains leveled from the top down to get to their coal.  This leveling polluted the rivers with heavy metals that killed everything downstream.  Renewable energy that keeps us independent is the answer.  It's amazing to drive through the mountains of the Allegany National Forest and see all the flat top mountains and know there isn't a tree within sight that is over 100 years old.  We learn from our mistakes.

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« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2008, 06:56:08 AM »

With all due respect...in your first post, you mention conservative fiscal policy that balances the budget...I think Clinton was the first in may years that actually accomplished that goal, and left George M (for Moron...he got his degree from Harvard because his daddy contributed large sums of money to the institution...I work in a large Urban Univ. so know a little bit about the politics of such things) a surplus to squaller, which he wasted no time in doing with 600 dollar "rebates" to people who went out and blew the money.  Also, I don't know if it's "we don't want in our backyard" or if some people realize that enough is enough with regards to present or future damage to what is left.  You see deer grazing by the oil pumps because MAN has eliminated all their natural predators, not because they LIKE the oil pumps!!

I pose this question to all who propose "utilizing our natural resources to their fullest extent":  Where do you draw the line for present and future generations...when the whole f'ing country looks like Mars?

Since Mars has nowhere near the H2O content of Earth, the comparison is not possible, unless we export most of our water to Mars & nobody is seriously proposing that in DC - yet.  John Edwards would promise this if there was an angle in it to get elected, & then Hillary & Obama would promise to do it quicker.

When I read about the trade imbalance or hear some politician or media wonk lament about the terrible situation of American labor yadda yadda China, India yadda yadda & they IGNORE the HUGE energy imbalance - our dollars chasing energy from foreign sources - I do not take them seriously since they are just mouthing platitudes.  In other words, our monetary resources go to building indoor ski resorts & copious largesse in the Middle East instead of staying here at home, where our politicians can waste them almost that effectively, but not quite.

Proud to be born & raised in Texas - an energy state.  George W. Bush's political enemies early on failed to understand his intellect.  Through many years of observation, I have learned that is a reflection of their own abilities much more so than President Bush's.  :huepfenlol2:  In other words, underestimating one's political opponent in a key area leads to political defeat.  Democrats demonstrated that lack of intellect in spades in his wins as guv as well as his wins as prez & in that there is more than a certain satisfaction.  Now its sour grapes & the Dems do not have a lock on this election as they feel is their birthright instead of the vote totals, and there is frustration aplenty in that. 

Also, the fed budget was NEVER balanced since Social Security surpluses were utilized. national debt increased each year of Clinton's terms - never dropped. So called conservatives simply spend their money on different boondoggles than liberals.  Not sure there are any conservatives in DC - I've never been one but thought I had seen a few once upon a time but they were not exactly conservative (1980's).  Other than that, we agree.   :huepfenlol2: ;D :huepfenlol2:
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Re: Does he deserve to be our President?
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2008, 08:32:32 AM »

There was a special on one of the Discovery Channels on this, that Ken and I watched. The technology to convert garbage to fuel is there. The technology to use the fuel to create Hydrogen is there. The technology to use the Hydrogen in Fuel Cells is there. Basically, garbage in, converted to energy, and the byproduct is H2O! It's not inconceivable. Actually, they never looked at it as putting it all together in one package, like Ken said, by dumping the garbage into your trunk. That was my crazy hair-brained scheme! But I don't think it's that far of a reach! :o

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Howie,

  I have been to this company.  I have watched them take any number of "waste" materials and convert it into hydrocarbons - shredded tires, automotive fluff (the non metallic residue from ground up cars), sludge from the bottom of the Delaware River, ground plastics, all types of landfill materials.  They place the material in a vacuum microwave reactor and hit it with very high frequency microwaves.  The microwaves separate the hydrocarbons in the form of natural gas, methane, and various types of oils.  Once treated, the remaining non hydrocarbon material has been reduced to about one fifth the orginal quantity.  What remains is basically carbon - mostly in the form of carbon black (also recyclable).  There is virtually no land fill residue remaining - and the resulting hydrocarbons are in various forms of usable energy.  It is one of those things you have to see to believe...  It will be interesting to watch the technology grow to a commercially viable product.

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Re: Does he deserve to be our President?
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2008, 08:41:20 AM »

Howie,

  I have been to this company.  I have watched them take any number of "waste" materials and convert it into hydrocarbons - shredded tires, automotive fluff (the non metallic residue from ground up cars), sludge from the bottom of the Delaware River, ground plastics, all types of landfill materials.  They place the material in a vacuum microwave reactor and hit it with very high frequency microwaves.  The microwaves separate the hydrocarbons in the form of natural gas, methane, and various types of oils.  Once treated, the remaining non hydrocarbon material has been reduced to about one fifth the orginal quantity.  What remains is basically carbon - mostly in the form of carbon black (also recyclable).  There is virtually no land fill residue remaining - and the resulting hydrocarbons are in various forms of usable energy.  It is one of those things you have to see to believe...  It will be interesting to watch the technology grow to a commercially viable product.

Scott

Yeap, and that's the first part of the renewable energy vehicle I visualized! :o

Have that conversion system made so it fits in a trunk of a car. Use that fuel to create Hydrogen right there in the vehicle. Use that Hydrogen in a Fuel Cell to power the electric vehicle, and your byproduct from the Fuel Cell is H2O. And then reuse the solid carbon waste too. What could be a more efficient form of renewable energy. And we eliminate most waste that's now piling up in landfills and getting dumped in the oceans! NYC would be so clean, you'd never even recognize it! ;D

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