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NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« on: December 11, 2008, 05:09:07 PM »

NY Daily News December 11, 2008

It states that the bike can be held for a FIRST time offense, if it lacks the required EPA sticker, and a max fine up to $1000. Not only cops, but traffic agents, and other city workers can enforce this law... while you're PARKED!

SECOND offense, and they KEEP IT!

The timing seems to be coinciding with the Safety Enforcement program proposed for nearby Suffolk county on Long Island.

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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2008, 05:47:17 PM »

Yikes!! Howie is in trouble now  :o
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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2008, 06:24:01 PM »

how is this fair .............what about custom cars that are loud
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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2008, 06:26:13 PM »

And 80dB is easily passed by most car horns.  They should be ticketing everybody who blows their horn in NYC.  Think of the money they'd raise!  We could bail out all 3 car companies and give everybody a refund by Feb 1st or so!
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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 06:32:39 PM »

Unfortunately, this is the new name of the game.  Milwaukee (of all places!) actually has a similar law on the books where not only cops, BUT ANY CITIZEN can enter a complaint against you.  You never even know it until the ticket arrives in the mail.

The AMA fights against these laws rigorously. Hopefully many of the riders on this forum are members.  If not, consider joining TODAY.

http://www.amadirectlink.com/join/index.asp

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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2008, 06:49:59 PM »

Yikes!! Howie is in trouble now  :o

Howie, when are you moving to South Carolina? Oh wait, we now have a helmet law in Myrtle Beach. How about Florida?

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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2008, 07:07:31 PM »

Howie, when are you moving to South Carolina? Oh wait, we now have a helmet law in Myrtle Beach. How about Florida?

Mi amigo Howie.....No helmet law, no speed law, no noise law......here is the lawless state !!! :huepfenjump3: And besides of that: RIDING 12 MONTHS  :drink:
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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2008, 07:45:24 PM »

We thought we could ride 12 months here in south texas until it snowed in the Houston area yesterday !!!
My my was it cold.

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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2008, 08:45:36 PM »

 
  It seems that they are doing this to sell EPA certifications. So where do we get these ?

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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2008, 09:51:47 PM »

Hey Jo,Whats up? Are you on line?I`m trying to figure out how to chat here. :pepper:
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2008, 10:34:54 PM »

Hey Nick

Go to new member Intro and introduce your self to the forum
Grate guys and grate information.

Let me be the first to welcome you  :cucumber: :pineapple: :pepper: :apple: :jalapeno:

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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2008, 04:45:29 AM »

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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2008, 05:48:52 AM »

NY Daily News December 11, 2008

It states that the bike can be held for a FIRST time offense, if it lacks the required EPA sticker, and a max fine up to $1000. Not only cops, but traffic agents, and other city workers can enforce this law... while you're PARKED!

SECOND offense, and they KEEP IT!

The timing seems to be coinciding with the Safety Enforcement program proposed for nearby Suffolk county on Long Island.



I would have thought California would have been first. :nixweiss:

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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2008, 07:32:50 AM »

I would have thought California would have been first. :nixweiss:



It's goofy on either coast. Left one always has a way of entertaining / pi$$ing you off but hell, the right coast has the D. of C. Cali would really have to work to beat the absurdity there.
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2008, 07:37:56 AM »

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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2008, 10:06:23 AM »

I'm in Texas and here it's not uncommon to hear trucks going down the road that are fitted with cannon like exhausts. Just the other day I was driving with my wife and we literally could not hear each other or carry on a conversation because we were beside one of these trucks. We also go jogging with our dogs a lot and one of our running paths is along side a main road. I've never cringed when a bike has passed but when these trucks pass us my ears are almost ringing.

Honestly, though I don't even mind the sound but everytime I hear one I'm thinking "And they want to put a sound law on motorcycles?!" These trucks and sometimes cars are louder than a lot of bikes I've heard and it's hard to imagine these kinds of situation are only prevalent in Texas. We don't have any motorcycle sound laws (yet) but I dread the day when that happens because there's going to be a lot of upset motorcyclists who believe they are being unfairly and prejudicially targeted.

It will only further the divide between motorcylists and cages and will set back any progress that's been made with sharing the road. I'm an AMA member any my suggestions is to become a member and get involved. The AMA is doing a lot of good stuff to help preserve our rights but unless bikers continue to unite we'll continue to see our rights stipped away simply because we're on two wheels and not four.
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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2008, 12:40:24 PM »

Did anyone check to see that Howie didn't either A) go on a shooting spree downtown at City Hall or B) Go into vapor lock over this news.  Although we know Hoist is never one to be outspoken... Cough cough cough, I expected at least a respectful disagreement with this news out of him by now.

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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2008, 02:19:31 PM »

Unfortunately, this is the new name of the game.  Milwaukee (of all places!) actually has a similar law on the books where not only cops, BUT ANY CITIZEN can enter a complaint against you.  You never even know it until the ticket arrives in the mail.

The AMA fights against these laws rigorously. Hopefully many of the riders on this forum are members.  If not, consider joining TODAY.

http://www.amadirectlink.com/join/index.asp

Cheers!

That's just way too much power being given to the public. I see a lot of abuse and unjustified complaints occuring. I believe that law goes into effect January 1, 2009 and dictates that anyone who believes a motorcycle is too loud can file a complaint and take the owner of the motorcycle to court without ever having to present any sound meter evidence.
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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2008, 02:29:45 PM »

Next-door neighbor's revenge, huh?  ;)  har!  spyder
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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2008, 03:10:38 PM »

What I find to be really ridiculous about this little attempt to single out one small segment of a huge issue is that the bike must have an 80 dB muffler certification stamp, and if you have ever stood on a busy street corner in NYC you don't have to be told that the overall noise level is well above 80 dB.  I swear some of the people there shout louder than that, and when you add all the trucks, buses, taxi's, etc. the din is enough to make you cover your ears.  How would you even hear a motorcycle in the midst of all that?

Oh well, there is an easy way around the whole thing.  Keep the stock mufflers with the 80 dB compliance statement stamped on them and recore them with baffles from Fullsac.  For those who threw the stock mufflers away, you can purchase my CVO Touring Mufflers for the nominal fee of $2995 plus shipping (who says I never learned anything from the MoCo).

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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2008, 03:18:12 PM »

Hey Jerry, that's 'price-gouging'.  But, I know you're just kidding........you are, aren't you?  :-\  har!  spyder
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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2008, 03:22:05 PM »

What I find to be really ridiculous about this little attempt to single out one small segment of a huge issue is that the bike must have an 80 dB muffler certification stamp, and if you have ever stood on a busy street corner in NYC you don't have to be told that the overall noise level is well above 80 dB.  I swear some of the people there shout louder than that, and when you add all the trucks, buses, taxi's, etc. the din is enough to make you cover your ears.  How would you even hear a motorcycle in the midst of all that?

Oh well, there is an easy way around the whole thing.  Keep the stock mufflers with the 80 dB compliance statement stamped on them and recore them with baffles from Fullsac.  For those who threw the stock mufflers away, you can purchase my CVO Touring Mufflers for the nominal fee of $2995 plus shipping (who says I never learned anything from the MoCo).

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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2008, 03:35:56 PM »

Hey Jerry, that's 'price-gouging'.  But, I know you're just kidding........you are, aren't you?  :-\  har!  spyder

Not at all spyder, some of the folks on this site have taught me that this is just free market capitalism.  No gouging involved.  (Hey, if it's good enough for Harley and their dealers, who am I to argue?)

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« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2008, 04:08:41 PM »

Not at all spyder, some of the folks on this site have taught me that this is just free market capitalism.  No gouging involved.  (Hey, if it's good enough for Harley and their dealers, who am I to argue?)

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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2008, 04:11:23 PM »

Dang it.  And I ruined my stockers by trying to 'gut em'.  :'(  spyder
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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2008, 04:11:37 PM »

Mi amigo Howie.....No helmet law, no speed law, no noise law......here is the lawless state !!! :huepfenjump3: And besides of that: RIDING 12 MONTHS  :drink:

SOLD!!!  My company has a huge presence in Tampa.  Can I buy a 4 bed, 3 bath, 3 car garage down there for less than 250K? 
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« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2008, 04:18:43 PM »

Howie is in Mexico with Hogbreath. If he see's this he might not come back.
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« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2008, 04:39:13 PM »

SOLD!!!  My company has a huge presence in Tampa.  Can I buy a 4 bed, 3 bath, 3 car garage down there for less than 250K? 
after the hurricane season.  ::)  har!  spyder
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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2008, 10:35:45 AM »

By EPA stickers, are they talking about the fine print stamped on the actual mufflers?  Whay NYC worker is actually going to bend down (if they can) and read that?  Even if it is an older muffler with a date on it, without running the plate, how will they know if the mufflers are the right ones? 
What year did they start marking the mufflers? There is always an exclusion for antiques because of the ability of getting the correct parts after so many years.  I doubt these bozos in Manhattan have any clue about anything beyond "now we can have lobster at out city council meetings" without feeling guilty and the bikers will pay.
So even if the bike is a legal beagle, they still are going to tow ,make you pay storage, the fines to get it back,  and then fight it.  It's a case of assumed guilt which is plain wrong.

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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2008, 02:34:55 PM »

Mi amigo Howie.....No helmet law, no speed law, no noise law......here is the lawless state !!! :huepfenjump3: And besides of that: RIDING 12 MONTHS  :drink:

Actually Florida has long since had statutes dealing with motorcycle mufflers and noise.  They just haven't been enforced.  Well, actually they have but only selectively.  Last year a community right down the road was ticketing riders for loud pipes--but that was because the idiots were riding past a senior high-rise building and using it as a sound reflector....revving up their bikes to listen to the echo.  Big fun for them and completely annoying to the old folks.  Got all riders some bad press for a month.

http://home.ama-cycle.org/amaccess/laws/result.asp?state=FL


[edit]  Hmmmm.  Might be some wiggle room.  Depends on the exact definition of "excessive or unusual noise." The FL statues from the ".gov" website aren't quite so specific:


The 2008 Florida Statutes
 
 Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES Chapter 316
STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL View Entire Chapter
 
316.272  Exhaust systems, prevention of noise.--

(1)  Every motor vehicle shall at all times be equipped with an exhaust system in good working order and in constant operation, including muffler, manifold pipe, and tailpiping to prevent excessive or unusual noise. In no event shall an exhaust system allow noise at a level which exceeds a maximum decibel level to be established by regulation of the Department of Environmental Protection as provided in s. 403.061(11) in cooperation with the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles. No person shall use a muffler cutout, bypass or similar device upon a vehicle on a highway.

(2)  The engine and power mechanism of every motor vehicle shall be so equipped and adjusted as to prevent the escape of excessive fumes or smoke.

(3)  A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318.

 
 

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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2008, 04:44:34 PM »

The fine print on the bottom of the pipe, I checked with my dealer today.
they told me that they will know more by Thurday if this will be a problem
or not.

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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2008, 05:34:09 PM »

It would be nice to know what these stickers look like.  Maybe someone could counterfeit them!  I'd sign up for a distributorship -should one come available.   :carrot: :cucumber: :apple: :pepper: :pineapple: :bananarock: :huepfenjump3: :orange:
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« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2008, 05:03:33 PM »

Just saw this for the first time. What a buncha crap!!!!!!!! >:(

Here we go again! Dictator Bloomberg at work again!!! We'll see where this takes us now! I'll bet there'll be some VERY LOUD and LARGE rallies about this, if it makes it at all! Crap!, more BS to deal with in this Hellhole! :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:

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« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2008, 05:16:56 PM »

I agree the vote isto be on this Thursday


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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2008, 04:33:00 PM »

AMA is speaking up and encouraging all NYC motorcyclers and riders who frequent the area to speak up as well.



New York City Council unfairly targets motorcycle sound

PICKERINGTON, Ohio -- The New York City Council is about to give final approval to a bill that the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) says discriminates against motorcyclists and imposes severe, out-of-line penalties.
The AMA also complained that the measure languished in the Council for two years and then, in a surprise move, was revived just a week before the scheduled final vote, allowing little opportunity for public comment.

"This is outrageous. This is no way to operate in a democracy," said Imre Szauter, AMA government affairs manager. "The Committee on Public Safety considered the bill on Dec. 14, 2006, and then suddenly approves it and sends it to the full Council on Dec. 10, 2008?"

The measure, up for full City Council approval on Thursday, Dec. 18, would make it illegal for any motorcycle to be on city streets unless it has an exhaust system with a stamp that states it is approved by the federal Environmental Protection Agency. Essentially that means the bike must have a stock exhaust system.

Motorcyclists caught without an EPA-stamped exhaust system would face fines of up to $1,000 for a first offense and temporary forfeiture of the motorcycle until the fine is paid. A second offense would result in a fine of up to $2,500 and permanent forfeiture of the motorcycle.

City officials apparently believe that requiring motorcyclists to have EPA-approved exhaust systems is easier to enforce than trying to prove a motorcycle exceeds the city's vaguely defined 80-decibel sound limit.

Szauter stressed that the AMA has long opposed excessive motorcycle noise and has funded information and public relations campaigns in support of quiet motorcycle use.

"The issue is that the New York City Council is unfairly singling out motorcyclists because motorcycles are the only vehicles covered under the bill," he said. "If New York City officials believe they have a sound problem, then the problem should be handled through the existing noise ordinance and not through piecemeal legislation targeting specific modes of transportation."

Szauter added that requiring motorcycles--and no other motor vehicles--to have a stock exhaust system is particularly discriminatory. When the muffler wears out or breaks on a car, the car owner can go to a local muffler shop and get an aftermarket system that costs much less than an original equipment system. The proposed New York City law wouldn't allow a motorcyclist to do that, forcing the motorcyclist to potentially spend hundreds of dollars more for an original equipment system, assuming that system is still available.

"If a motorcyclist can't find a stock system, then the rider faces stiff fines and forfeiture of the machine, Szauter said. "These penalties are too severe and out of line when compared with other city laws."

Szauter urged all New York City motorcyclists to contact their City Council members immediately and ask that they reject this discriminatory measure.

Concerned motorcyclists living outside the area, especially those who work in or frequently visit the city, should contact Speaker of City Council Christine Quinn by telephone at (212) 788-7210; by letter to City Hall, New York, NY 10007; or by e-mail by visiting http://council.nyc.gov/D3/html/members/home.shtml<http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=wppqdvcab.0.0.vw9ldxbab.0&ts=s037...>. </http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=wppqdvcab.0.0.vw9ldxbab.0&ts=s037...>

To see the measure, go to http://tinyurl.com/6mo2yo.
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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2008, 05:31:21 PM »

But did anyone pay attention to the 80db number.  A stock HD with EPA tags wont pass a 80db test.  Myrtle Beach tried this crap and there own Police bikes couldn't pass the law so they jacked it from 87db to 88db.   And they just pass!  So just about every motorcycle out there with stock pipes will get pulled!
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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2008, 06:18:07 PM »

Thanks for the update and info Dirkenstien! :2vrolijk_21:

The link to council.nyc.gov below isn't working. The link for the measure is. Do you have the correct info for that .gov link? Thanks.

I will be calling tomorrow for sure. HTH did this come about so quickly without any fanfare. This city's reverted to a dictatorship under Bloomberg. We the people, voted for term limits a few years back. Nobody can be Mayor for more thatn 2 terms (8 years). Well this arrogant bastard pushed a measure thru the City Council to withdraw that law. With no voice from the people whatsoever, he got his chronies to go along with him, and had it reversed so he can run for a third term now! What kinda crap is that! We voted for it, but had no say when he wanted it changed? This also has the stink of Bloomberg all over! And boy this one stinks but good!!! >:(

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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2008, 06:29:35 PM »

Thanks for the update and info Dirkenstien! :2vrolijk_21:

The link to council.nyc.gov below isn't working. The link for the measure is. Do you have the correct info for that .gov link? Thanks.

I will be calling tomorrow for sure. HTH did this come about so quickly without any fanfare. This city's reverted to a dictatorship under Bloomberg. We the people, voted for term limits a few years back. Nobody can be Mayor for more thatn 2 terms (8 years). Well this arrogant bastard pushed a measure thru the City Council to withdraw that law. With no voice from the people whatsoever, he got his chronies to go along with him, and had it reversed so he can run for a third term now! What kinda crap is that! We voted for it, but had no say when he wanted it changed? This also has the stink of Bloomberg all over! And boy this one stinks but good!!! >:(

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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2008, 06:40:21 PM »

Last I heard they were waiting for one go to leave the city and go to Mexico and while he was gone they were going to sneak it in. :oops: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

Sorry, couldn't resist.... is kinda weird on the timing, and you not being there though. You reckon they've heard about "Hoist!" :nixweiss:

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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2008, 06:42:53 PM »

Don't know if they've heard about him but they are sure to hear FROM him, lol!!
You got that right!!! :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

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« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2008, 06:44:08 PM »

You ALL DEFINITELY got that right!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:(

FTC!!! ;)

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« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2008, 06:52:32 PM »

You ALL DEFINITELY got that right!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:(

FTC!!! ;)

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« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2008, 07:01:23 PM »

I just read over the Measure. This all seems to be about banning STRAIGHT Pipes, not necessarily different muffler systems.

"A Local Law to amend the administrative code of the city of New York, in relation to prohibiting the stopping, standing, or parking of motorcycles equipped with straight pipes on the streets of the city of New York.

Be it enacted by the Council as follows:

Section 1.  Subchapter six of chapter two of title 24 of the administrative code of the city of New York is amended by adding a new section 24-236.1 to read as follows:

§24-236.1  Prohibition on the stopping, standing, or parking of motorcycles equipped with  straight pipes.  a.
Definitions.  For the purposes of this section:

6.  “ Straight pipe” shall mean a motorcycle exhaust device that does not contain internal baffles or that is intentionally designed to allow for the internal baffling to be fully or partially removed.  For exhaust pipes manufactured after December 31, 1982, “straight pipe” shall also mean exhaust pipes on a motorcycle that are not equipped with an exhaust muffler bearing the federal EPA required labeling applicable to the motorcycle’s model year, as set out in 40 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) § 205.169, and shall also mean exhaust pipes on a motorcycle that is equipped with an exhaust muffler bearing such federal EPA required labeling designating such muffler as designed for use on closed course competition motorcycles only."

This is still total BS, but They've tried this crap before. They are after Drag Pipes. The Definition includes anything without the EPA label, but they are targeting Drag Pipes, which for some stupid reason people still use a lot here! They rob Evo's and TC's of power, so there's no reason for em. But we've lots of idiots here that just wanna make noise. I'm hoping they enforce this like they've done in the past here, and only GAS about Drag Pipes. I'd put a Quiet FC on if I had to, but that's no better than my BB FC right now. No EPA Label! :nixweiss:

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« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2008, 07:02:09 PM »

How 'bout Bloomburg?   :nixweiss: har!  spyder

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« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2008, 09:27:14 PM »

Just saw this for the first time. What a buncha crap!!!!!!!! >:(

Here we go again! Dictator Bloomberg at work again!!! We'll see where this takes us now! I'll bet there'll be some VERY LOUD and LARGE rallies about this, if it makes it at all! Crap!, more BS to deal with in this Hellhole! :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:

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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2008, 07:11:41 AM »


For exhaust pipes manufactured after December 31, 1982, “straight pipe” shall also mean exhaust pipes on a motorcycle that are not equipped with an exhaust muffler bearing .....

I better go check my muffler bearing.
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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2008, 07:16:46 AM »


6.  “ Straight pipe” shall mean a motorcycle exhaust device that does not contain internal baffles or that is intentionally designed to allow for the internal baffling to be fully or partially removed. 

Maybe I'm in the minority but my V&H pipes have removeable baffles.  I used that capability to install baffles that were QUIETER than stock.  But because they are "removeable" I guess I'd be in violation.

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I mean, the whole exhaust system is "intentionally designed to be fully or partially removed".
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« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2008, 07:56:54 AM »

 
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For Immediate Release

15 December 2008

Contact: Jeff Hennie, Vice President of Government Relations (MRF)
Email: jeff@mrf.org


New York City Council Pulls Motorcycle Noise Bill.

Late last week the New York City Council Committee on Public Safety held a
hearing on Introduction No. 416 A titled; "A Local Law to amend the
administrative code of the city of New York, in relation to prohibiting
the parking of motorcycles equipped with straight pipes on the streets of
the city of New York."

This bill gives law enforcement the ability to issue fines of $1000 and
temporary impoundment for the first infraction and a fine of $2500 and
permanent forfeiture of motorcycles with out EPA approved or stock exhaust
pipes. The committee, Chaired by council member Peter Vallone a democrat
from Queens, did vote in favor of the bill which sent it on to be
considered by the full council on week later.

The Motorcycle Riders Foundation is pleased to report that for now the
bill has been pulled from the schedule for December 18th, when it was to
be voted upon by the full council.


The MRF thanks Speaker Christine Quinn for realizing that this issue
requires much more than one week worth of consideration.

"This legislation raises far more problems than it solves" said Jeff
Hennie vice president of government relations for the Motorcycle Riders
Foundation. "What about older bikes that predate the 1979 clean air act or
motorcycles from neighboring states, just to name a few?" he added.

The Council will be entering the 4th and last year of the current 4 year
session. So this bill is still live and could be considered at any point
during the 2009 calendar year.

The issue of motorcycle sound can be controversial and is certainly one of
the most complicated of all issues related to motorcycles.

The MRF will keep you updated on this bill.
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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2008, 08:18:13 AM »

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« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2008, 08:23:37 AM »

Thank you for that update! Looks like all will be "quiet" here awhile longer! :2vrolijk_21:

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« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2008, 12:18:39 PM »

Great news. Good to see they couldn't pull a fast one on the motorcycle community.
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« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2008, 12:24:23 PM »

And for the record, I've contacted the City Council Speaker shown in Dirkenstein's post to formally "OPPOSE" this measure. They get your residency info, and record whether you APPROVE or OPPOSE this measure. Everyone living within NYC should be contacting them to OPPOSE this stupidity!!! ;)

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« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2008, 01:12:38 PM »


New York City Council Pulls Motorcycle Noise Bill.

Late last week the New York City Council Committee on Public Safety held a
hearing on Introduction No. 416 A titled; "A Local Law to amend the
administrative code of the city of New York, in relation to prohibiting
the parking of motorcycles equipped with straight pipes on the streets of
the city of New York."

This bill gives law enforcement the ability to issue fines of $1000 and
temporary impoundment for the first infraction and a fine of $2500 and
permanent forfeiture of motorcycles with out EPA approved or stock exhaust
pipes. The committee, Chaired by council member Peter Vallone a democrat
from Queens, did vote in favor of the bill which sent it on to be
considered by the full council on week later
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They get your residency info, and record whether you APPROVE or OPPOSE this measure. Everyone living within NYC should be contacting them to OPPOSE this stupidity!!! ;)

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Just for the sake of discussion, I have to point out that of all the people that live in NYC, motorcyclists are a small minority.  Folks up there live in close quarters so it's hard to make noise and not have your neighbors hear it.  I'm betting that if this motion was ever put to a citywide vote, it would pass easily and by a landslide.

As I sit down here among a mojority of northeastern retirees and their penchant for strict rules that I alluded to in the "Myrtle Beach" thread, I can easily see a connection between the thinking that produced this motion up there and the same culture that runs local politics down here.  Same folks here, just older.  I promise you, a lot of the people down here would approve that NYC proposal.  They would absolutely love to make a phone call and then see their neighbor's motorcycles confiscated and hefty fines levied.

But the bottom line is that this stuff is going to happen more and more unless we police ourselves and become more courteous of others.  Noise for the sake of noise should be history.  I think we all know the difference between noise as a result of function and performance and being loud just for the heck of it.  And I think we all recognize that there are places where noise gets more notice than others.  Crowded neighborhoods versus countryside roads.

Just my $.02 worth.
 


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Just for the sake of discussion, I have to point out that of all the people that live in NYC, motorcyclists are a small minority.  Folks up there live in close quarters so it's hard to make noise and not have your neighbors hear it.  I'm betting that if this motion was ever put to a citywide vote, it would pass easily and by a landslide.

As I sit down here among a mojority of northeastern retirees and their penchant for strict rules that I alluded to in the "Myrtle Beach" thread, I can easily see a connection between the thinking that produced this motion up there and the same culture that runs local politics down here.  Same folks here, just older.  I promise you, a lot of the people down here would approve that NYC proposal.  They would absolutely love to make a phone call and then see their neighbor's motorcycles confiscated and hefty fines levied.

But the bottom line is that this stuff is going to happen more and more unless we police ourselves and become more courteous of others.  Noise for the sake of noise should be history.  I think we all know the difference between noise as a result of function and performance and being loud just for the heck of it.  And I think we all recognize that there are places where noise gets more notice than others.  Crowded neighborhoods versus countryside roads.

Just my $.02 worth.
 





Let's see. Garbage trucks at all hours, elevated trains, jackhammers, tractor trailers with engine brakes, lawnmowers, screaming drug addicts, gunshots, night clubs..... You get the idea! When the whole city is regulated to 80db then they might have a valid arguement! Until then, and since you've pointed out what a small minority motorcyclists are, they should leave us the F alone and worry about more important problems here! ;)

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« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2008, 02:06:37 PM »


Let's see. Garbage trucks at all hours, elevated trains, jackhammers, tractor trailers with engine brakes, lawnmowers, screaming drug addicts, gunshots, night clubs..... You get the idea! When the whole city is regulated to 80db then they might have a valid arguement! Until then, and since you've pointed out what a small minority motorcyclists are, they should leave us the F alone and worry about more important problems here! ;)

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« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2008, 02:08:49 PM »

Shoot, Hoist's swearing at 110 motors over the last few months has drowned out all the other noise!!!!  What drag pipes, I don't hear anything over all that cussing!! :huepfenjump3:
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« Reply #56 on: December 16, 2008, 02:13:04 PM »


Let's see. Garbage trucks at all hours, elevated trains, jackhammers, tractor trailers with engine brakes, lawnmowers, screaming drug addicts, gunshots, night clubs..... You get the idea! When the whole city is regulated to 80db then they might have a valid arguement! Until then, and since you've pointed out what a small minority motorcyclists are, they should leave us the F alone and worry about more important problems here! ;)

Hoist! 8)

And down here it's gas powered leaf blowers, lawnmowers and hedge trimmers 5-6 days per week constantly trying to beat back the jungle.  But the majority of people have no problem with that, as it's them who are doing it or hiring others to do it....to their own property.  Most of those same people don't ride motorcycles.  They're going to go after stuff that isn't in their world.

Understand, I agree with you Howie.  I could find far greater targets if I went looking to eliminate noise.  I'm just saying that we present an easy target due to our lesser numbers.  And at least a bit of leftover "all motorcyclists are outlaw bada$$ gang members".  There really are a lot of people that still make that connection.
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« Reply #57 on: December 16, 2008, 02:18:47 PM »

And down here it's gas powered leaf blowers, lawnmowers and hedge trimmers 5-6 days per week constantly trying to beat back the jungle.  But the majority of people have no problem with that, as it's them who are doing it or hiring others to do it....to their own property.  Most of those same people don't ride motorcycles.  They're going to go after stuff that isn't in their world.

Understand, I agree with you Howie.  I could find far greater targets if I went looking to eliminate noise.  I'm just saying that we present an easy target due to our lesser numbers.  And at least a bit of leftover "all motorcyclists are outlaw bada$$ gang members".  There really are a lot of people that still make that connection.

I'm with ya man! But I'm not in their world either, and don't wanna be! I just wanna be free to ride my machine....!!! ;)

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Re: NYC to begin seizing loud bikes - EPA stickers soon required
« Reply #58 on: December 16, 2008, 04:13:34 PM »

government is getting too involved with things like this. :nixweiss:

my local county just passed an ordinance against saggy pants.

enforcing them is another situation.



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« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2008, 04:25:22 PM »

government is getting too involved with things like this. :nixweiss:

my local county just passed an ordinance against saggy pants.

enforcing them is another situation.



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« Reply #60 on: December 16, 2008, 05:16:27 PM »

Talk about local ordinances, the City Council in Seattle is considering a $25.00 annual fee to register your bicycle!

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« Reply #61 on: December 16, 2008, 05:34:54 PM »

Talk about local ordinances, the City Council in Seattle is considering a $25.00 annual fee to register your bicycle!

Unbelievable if it weren't fee happy Seattle anyway.

Heh, now that's not a bad idear. :) Here they get a special lane (bike lane), act like they own the road sometime, and don't pay a dime. Annual registration might be a good thing. :nixweiss:

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« Reply #62 on: December 16, 2008, 05:38:04 PM »

Heh, now that's not a bad idear. :) Here they get a special lane (bike lane), act like they own the road sometime, and don't pay a dime. Annual registration might be a good thing. :nixweiss:

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I don't own any and wouldn't be impacted but if they actually used the money for safety and bike lane improvement it might make sense.

Most of the cyclists here are the same as you describe, greenies mostly and whacked IMHO.
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« Reply #63 on: December 16, 2008, 05:40:23 PM »

I don't own any and wouldn't be impacted but if they actually used the money for safety and bike lane improvement it might make sense.

Most of the cyclists here are the same as you describe, greenies mostly and whacked IMHO.
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« Reply #64 on: December 16, 2008, 06:06:35 PM »

Talk about local ordinances, the City Council in Seattle is considering a $25.00 annual fee to register your bicycle!

Unbelievable if it weren't fee happy Seattle anyway.


So what do they plan to do- create a task force to control outlaw bikers??!!!!   Maybe ticket them for wearing loud colors????  Better yet, confiscate those loud colors as gang signs!!!!  What the hell is the world coming to?????  Next thing you know, we'll have to buy a license to chit.
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« Reply #65 on: December 16, 2008, 06:31:21 PM »

Sewer Fees! ;D
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« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2008, 07:33:00 PM »

If that's the case, then it's time to start buying all the MRE's I can find!!  You can load a 12" sewer full after a day of MRE's. :P
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« Reply #68 on: December 16, 2008, 09:00:58 PM »

Well I'm happy to read this update, it seems that the city council came to there senses and realized the stupidity
of this amendment. I also agree with Hoist, all NYC motorcycle riders should be contacting the city council speaker,
in Dickensteins post. To formally OPPOSE this measure. I know that I will.

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« Reply #69 on: December 16, 2008, 10:07:48 PM »

Having been to NYC...........many times over the past year.........this has to be the most absurd thought process I've heard of in years.  :ROFLOL:
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« Reply #70 on: December 18, 2008, 07:45:02 PM »

So what do they plan to do- create a task force to control outlaw bikers??!!!!   Maybe ticket them for wearing loud colors????  Better yet, confiscate those loud colors as gang signs!!!!  What the hell is the world coming to?????  Next thing you know, we'll have to buy a license to chit.
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« Reply #71 on: December 20, 2008, 04:59:44 PM »

So what do they plan to do- create a task force to control outlaw bikers??!!!!   Maybe ticket them for wearing loud colors????  Better yet, confiscate those loud colors as gang signs!!!!  What the hell is the world coming to????Next thing you know, we'll have to buy a license to chit.

I don't know about a license but probably well be taxed for it! I hear there are a bunch of new taxes coming, taxing everything. Even soda pop! :drink: All ready the highest taxes around. What are they doing with all that money? :nixweiss:
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« Reply #72 on: December 20, 2008, 08:38:12 PM »

What are they doing with all that money? :nixweiss:

Perhaps start to pay off all of the money that is being given away?

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« Reply #73 on: December 21, 2008, 12:35:22 AM »

If that's the case, then it's time to start buying all the MRE's I can find!!  You can load a 12" sewer full after a day of MRE's. :P

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