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[Nicky Pass]

I went to my 2 local dealers just to see what the buzz was about.  I'm not a fan of the way the new exhaust looks, but for stock....it doesn't sound bad!  They have a new bag security clip instead of the the recalled recall set up.  What got me the most is the counter balancing!  The Road Glide Special I checked out barely vibrated the handle bars at all!  And....there is almost no engine noise!  I have to say, Harley may have finally got it right!

[hdbrad03]

I looked at a 107 very quickly. The oil flow from the oil cooler feeds the oil supply for cooling the heads. A single line that splits above the front head and feeds both heads. Then the oil returns to the tank from the rear head return line from both heads. Not sure if some of the cool oil goes to the engine are all to the heads.

Looks nice will be much harder to remove rocker boxes looks like 10 bolts and some are a pain to get to. Of course the oil cooling lines are in the way and a plug job will be a little harder to get to the right side plugs.

  :banana rock:
 
   Brad

[Twolanerider]

I'm curious if in regular service will have to raise the rear of the gas tank to get to that right rear spark plug.

[Wesleypalms]

We took out a couple of the 107's today.  The Street Glide and the Road Glide. They were very smooth and much more refined feeling than the twin cams. Power stock was strong the entire rev range. The suspension was smooth and made the bikes feel almost nimble. I liked the narrower engine and the lighter feel of the clutch.
  The salesman did say the tank would need to be removed before you can change the second plug. I think he said the rocker cover might need to be removed as well.

[SHRADER]

I'm curious if in regular service will have to raise the rear of the gas tank to get to that right rear spark plug.

Yes sir you have to raise (at least) or remove the tank to get to the top plugs.

[bakon]

Not
Oil cooled. That's water and antifreeze.

Starter looks like a can thrown in the back of the motor. They messed that up. Started it and thought it was noisy. Gear noise. Like a sewing machine. Way to quiet stock. Didn't mind anything else engine wise. Noticed limited with one antenna. Maybe combined or no CB?

Like new saddlebags hardware .

Also researched the cam a bit. Stock cam is .350/.374 lift.
Intake 7/1
Exhaust 33/14

Seems crazy low close on intake and no overlap? Must flow without playing with cam,
Even there Power Cam offering is
.498/.491 lift
Intake 4/33
Exhaust 60/7

Earlier close than TC 255 cam in our CVO.  And three degree overlap???

[manllyy]

I been try 107 eight ,sure they had more power, smoother . But I like the sound and the power from Twin cam mean like classical


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[Twolanerider]

Yes sir you have to raise (at least) or remove the tank to get to the top plugs.

Well that's annoying.  Just looking at it you know it is at best really close so not surprised.  Reminds me of a V8 Chevy Monza.

[no clue]

Isn't the 107 oil cooled & the 114 water cooled? The 2nd post was a 107 - oil cooled.

[OBB]

Isn't the 107 oil cooled & the 114 water cooled? The 2nd post was a 107 - oil cooled.

The 107 Limited and RGU are water cooled. The other 107s are oil cooled.

[harleychef2011]

Checked out the new bikes at my local dealership.  The new engines are visible gorgeous, but VERY disappointing "sound" of the bikes.  Sound like a metric.  No growl, very quiet.  Doesn't that defeat the purpose of owning a Harley??  I know a lot of people are drawn to the "number" on the cubic in signage (107/114) but not sure dumping money into a new bike for 50-70cc's (basically adding a lawn mower engine) is worth it yet.  Very little design change to all the chassis...  Only time will tell. 

With that being said...its going to be interesting to see what deals they are going to come up with to offload all the '16's!!!!

[bakon]

my mistake- thought all them were twin cooled. Did not see any that weren't.

[no clue]

The 107 Limited and RGU are water cooled. The other 107s are oil cooled.

Thanks for pointing this out. My mistake.

[JerseyT]

Had a chance to demo a 2017 CVO Ultra today at Brian's H-D in Langhorne, PA.  The 114 is mechanically much quieter and feels "more refined" than the 110 in my 2009.  Very smooth at idle and running down the road.  Revs up quickly in the lower gears and pulls hard on the highway.  We passed through some short tunnels and along some stone walls and the stock exhaust sounds real good to me.  As nice as it was, I didn't get off the bike thinking "I have to have one of these right now."  Is it better than my 2009 CVO? ... yes, but not that much better.  When the time eventually comes to replace my current bike, I know I'll be happy with the M-8. 

[skreminegul07]

Well that's annoying.  Just looking at it you know it is at best really close so not surprised.  Reminds me of a V8 Chevy Monza.

I was thinking that exact thought.  Back in the day, we would improvise and cut a flap to access rear plugs.  We changed oil pumps that way.

Maybe that's why there are two plugs, just change the easy one.

[ultrarider123]

Checked out the new bikes at my local dealership.  The new engines are visible gorgeous, but VERY disappointing "sound" of the bikes.  Sound like a metric.  No growl, very quiet.  Doesn't that defeat the purpose of owning a Harley??  I know a lot of people are drawn to the "number" on the cubic in signage (107/114) but not sure dumping money into a new bike for 50-70cc's (basically adding a lawn mower engine) is worth it yet.  Very little design change to all the chassis...  Only time will tell. 

With that being said...its going to be interesting to see what deals they are going to come up with to offload all the '16's!!!!

So THAT is why the MoCo took over the old Briggs and Stratton engine plant in Milwaukee...

[Lever]

I have a special ordered road king with 114 kit all with others mods ...hopefully its done by middle of Sept
will post pics of transformation

[charles05663]

Well that's annoying.  Just looking at it you know it is at best really close so not surprised.  Reminds me of a V8 Chevy Monza.

You could change those plugs? 

I had a used one and was told I had to pull the motor to do so. Best that I got rid of it. Too much power for a 18 year old kid.

 

[Twolanerider]

You could change those plugs? 

Oh yeah, you could.  Loosen the motor mount, raise it a little, go in through the inner fender, say many bad words, skin several knuckles, use a long extension with a universal joint on the end and, voila, the plug was changed.   Stupid stupid little car.

[08glide]

You could change those plugs? 

I had a used one and was told I had to pull the motor to do so. Best that I got rid of it. Too much power for a 18 year old kid.

 I just had this same conversation with a couple of guys over some hooters wings in richmond. we talked about the monza power & the plug deal. little strange to see it on here 2 days later.  (dejavu) (do do do do do)

[ultrarider123]

Oh yeah, you could.  Loosen the motor mount, raise it a little, go in through the inner fender, say many bad words, skin several knuckles, use a long extension with a universal joint on the end and, voila, the plug was changed.   Stupid stupid little car.

  There was also the V6 in the Pontiac Fiero.  Changing the front bank of plugs you had to drop the motor.  Or another great GM design...changing the front headlight bulbs on the 2009-2014 Chevy Traverse (you go through the front fender wheel well and requires removing the front tire.... )

[OBB]

There was also the V6 in the Pontiac Fiero.  Changing the front bank of plugs you had to drop the motor.  Or another great GM design...changing the front headlight bulbs on the 2009-2014 Chevy Traverse (you go through the front fender wheel well and requires removing the front tire.... )

As long as we're  , the mid 2000 Malibu is the same way. Have to pull the front bumper cover off the car to change them. If one goes out, change them both at the same time.

[BigLew]

Or on my old 454 SS pick up. Had to remove the left front tire and the inner fender well liner to get the oil filter out! Its hard to do with the truck on ramps, oil drained. Lets see how do I get this off the ramps so I can remove the wheel?
Don't ask me how I know. Ask me how long it took to put an adapter on the fender!

BigLew

[johnmowcop]

Given the ease at which this thread has drifted, is that a reflection on the impact of the M-8.
Looks better thought through than what we have, but probably makes what we have doubly worthless in a couple of years. Better trade in now otherwise the trade value will be zilch later on.

JohnT

[110tHunDer]

The new one you trade for is going to lose value, too.  Probably out about the same money over a period of time either way.  Best option, financially, is to be happy with what you have.  Emotionally, that's a different story.

[FLSTFI Dave]

The new tanks are pretty easy to remove.  My guess to change the plug you only have to raise the tank.  Even removing and reinstalling tank should be no more than an hour. 

[skreminegul07]

HD recommends changing the plug at 30K miles, according to the owner's manual.

[MLCRISIS]

East side Harley in Bellevue Wa has a few 107's, no CVO's yet. Salesman sys they will have a stage 2 107 ready for test rides next week. Might have to try one

[ultrarider123]

The new tanks are pretty easy to remove.  My guess to change the plug you only have to raise the tank.  Even removing and reinstalling tank should be no more than an hour.

It's just the principle of the deal, Dave.  I don't want to take the bike apart to remove two spark plugs on top of having to clean the front of the bike after changing the oil filter...

I know 2016 and prior were every 2 years or 30K on the plug change.  I haven't seen the 2017 manual but K'ville HD said the plug service has moved to every 10,000 miles...

[grc]

It's just the principle of the deal, Dave.  I don't want to take the bike apart to remove two spark plugs on top of having to clean the front of the bike after changing the oil filter...

I know 2016 and prior were every 2 years or 30K on the plug change.  I haven't seen the 2017 manual but K'ville HD said the plug service has moved to every 10,000 miles...

K'ville HD is wrong.  The new requirement is 2 years or 30,000 miles.  The older models were 10k.

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=109282.msg1401343#msg1401343

Jerry

[ultrarider123]

K'ville HD is wrong.  The new requirement is 2 years or 30,000 miles.  The older models were 10k.

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=109282.msg1401343#msg1401343

Jerry

Thanks Jerry.  Actually, the spark plug interval on my 2015 is 2 years, 30K miles.  Since I had not seen the new 2017 service manual (and can't get to anything on the MoCo website except what I own with the VIN... ) I had to go with what he stated until I could verify his statement or see he was mistaken.  We can always count on you, sir...

[skratch]

Thanks Jerry.  Actually, the spark plug interval on my 2015 is 2 years, 30K miles.  Since I had not seen the new 2017 service manual (and can't get to anything on the MoCo website except what I own with the VIN... ) I had to go with what he stated until I could verify his statement or see he was mistaken.  We can always count on you, sir...

here's a little tip.  when you go to the moco owners manual website, instead of putting in your vin number, go up to the address bar, and back it up a little.  I don't know why, but it wants to default to https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip/vehicle/lookupForm  and that will only allow you to enter a vin number.  back it up so that it says https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip  and from there you can sign in as an 'independent operator'.  from there you'll be able to pull up by model and year.  you may have to re-register, but it's still a great resource to have.

[johnmowcop]

K'ville HD is wrong.  The new requirement is 2 years or 30,000 miles.  The older models were 10k.

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=109282.msg1401343#msg1401343

Jerry

Does that mean these new engines rev at 1/3 the old engines per mile, or are these magic plugs that last three times longer? Or have they been kidding us about the 10k plug change.

JohnT

[Tractor Bubba]

Does that mean these new engines rev at 1/3 the old engines per mile, or are these magic plugs that last three times longer? Or have they been kidding us about the 10k plug change.

JohnT

My opinion (only)...the Motor Company has been vastly conservative with the 10k change recommendation. But, I just changed mine out today at the recommended 10,000 mile service.
Just too darn "trained" to follow the book, I guess. After all, they're pretty cheap, and not difficult to replace. Better safe than sorry, I suppose!

[skratch]

My opinion (only)...the Motor Company has been vastly conservative with the 10k change recommendation. But, I just changed mine out today at the recommended 10,000 mile service.
Just too darn "trained" to follow the book, I guess. After all, they're pretty cheap, and not difficult to replace. Better safe than sorry, I suppose!

my 2010 recommended replacement every 20k.  my wife's 2012, same 20k.  my 2013, every 2 years, 30,000.

[johnmowcop]

Does that mean these new engines rev at 1/3 the old engines per mile, or are these magic plugs that last three times longer? Or have they been kidding us about the 10k plug change.

JohnT

There was a little tongue in cheek there, not to be taken seriously.

[dartman]

K'ville HD is wrong.  The new requirement is 2 years or 30,000 miles.  The older models were 10k.


IM shocked, that  A Harley Dealership would give out bad info. LMAO

[ultrarider123]

here's a little tip.  when you go to the moco owners manual website, instead of putting in your vin number, go up to the address bar, and back it up a little.  I don't know why, but it wants to default to https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip/vehicle/lookupForm  and that will only allow you to enter a vin number.  back it up so that it says https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip  and from there you can sign in as an 'independent operator'.  from there you'll be able to pull up by model and year.  you may have to re-register, but it's still a great resource to have.

That worked.  Thanks skratch, that will come in handy.  K'ville was wrong.  Both the CVO and regular replace intervals of the spark plugs are still at 2 years or 30,000 miles.  I'll have to talk to them on this one....

[Racerdj]

I attended Demo Days yesterday at Benson Harley Davidson and was able to ride the CVO Limited and Street Glide. I was prepared to be impressed slightly after reading some reviews. I was totally blown away. The new motor is fantastic! Lower heat, greater acceleration, less vibration and more. The new suspension is a home run too. I tried to hit every patched chuck hole and was not disappointed in both bikes manners. I urge anybody to get some miles on one and see if you agree with me.

[DoverCVO]

I went to Seacoast Harley in North Hampton New Hampshire yesterday and today, and tested the new Milwaukee 8. I rode the Street Glide, Limited, and Road Glide. I've gotta say that I did really enjoy the ride and smoothness of all 3 bikes and could see me with a new Limited or Ultra CVO. I currently have a Ultra CVO and feel my bike still has more torque.  They have made the new engine so smooth, I almost feel like I'm riding a Japanese bike. I like the rumble of the Harley, however as a touring bike, I can see how the smoothness would give less fatigue. In all I think Harley did a great job on the new engine and hope they continue on there new innovations.


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[JoeVibe]

I test rode a Blue 17 CVO Street Glide Sunday and I really liked everything about it. The acceleration of the stock 114" impressed me. I would think that with the 117" kit and a proper exhaust and tune it would be sweet.

[FLSTFI Dave]

I test rode a Blue 17 CVO Street Glide Sunday and I really liked everything about it. The acceleration of the stock 114" impressed me. I would think that with the 117" kit and a proper exhaust and tune it would be sweet.

1194 miles on my SESG and the 114.  I'm waiting for a Fullsac exhaust to be available.  I really think that alone will be a huge help.  This cat is a lot more restrictive than in years past.  If it's not enough help, then and you point out there is the 117 kit.  I feel this bike is stronger than the 110 SERGU I traded in, and that bike had a exhaust and tune.

[JoeVibe]

1194 miles on my SESG and the 114.  I'm waiting for a Fullsac exhaust to be available.  I really think that alone will be a huge help.  This cat is a lot more restrictive than in years past.  If it's not enough help, then and you point out there is the 117 kit.  I feel this bike is stronger than the 110 SERGU I traded in, and that bike had a exhaust and tune.

Yeah Dave, I agree. I was shocked at the acceleration it had, being stock. I'm trying to get one of my friends to take a test ride so I can see how it compares, side by side, to my Ultra. I was impressed with the ride and handling too. I'm, kind of, glad that none of the paint jobs really grabbed me. I can't justify having a third bike and I don't want to get rid of either of the ones I have (right now  ). If the M8 engine proves to be reliable I'll be looking at them hard in '18. Congrats on your new one. I know you'll be putting it through its paces and I'll be watching for your reports.