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CVO Technical => Electronic Toys and Gadgets => Topic started by: RichardGee on July 15, 2017, 09:19:03 PM
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I have a 2012 CVO Ultra. In replacing the stock two plug headlamp with a single plug Daymaker LED, the garage door opener transmitter w/two plugs that goes between the power plug and old headlamp, is eliminated. Obviously, the remote garage door opener will not work without a transmitter.
I wired the transmitter harness into the headlamp plug and verified that the remote door opener DOES work when switching from low/high/low beam.
HOWEVER, after plugging in the LED headlamp (changing nothing else), the remote no longer works?
It is as if something in the Daymaker LED headlamp is cancelling out the signal sensed by the transmitter when going low/high/low beam?
I am STUMPED.
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I did the same conversion, just bought a male & female headlamp plug and transferred the wiring from the Garage door opener and plugged between the headlamp and the wiring harness. Worked fine.
I kept the jumper when I sold the bike, if I can find it I will take and post a photo.
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Thanks for the reply. It would be great if you could post a photo as I am not following what you are describing.
When converting from the stock dual plug headlamp to the Daymaker, the dual plug is no longer used, so I am not sure what you meant by a "male to female" plug?
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I have a 2012 CVO Ultra. In replacing the stock two plug headlamp with a single plug Daymaker LED, the garage door opener transmitter w/two plugs that goes between the power plug and old headlamp, is eliminated. Obviously, the remote garage door opener will not work without a transmitter.
I wired the transmitter harness into the headlamp plug and verified that the remote door opener DOES work when switching from low/high/low beam.
HOWEVER, after plugging in the LED headlamp (changing nothing else), the remote no longer works?
It is as if something in the Daymaker LED headlamp is cancelling out the signal sensed by the transmitter when going low/high/low beam?
I am STUMPED.
Doesn't the harness have a jumper wire? It does on the 14 & up? Its power so you would just need a ground?
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Fellow (pre 2014) CVOers who are contemplating the jump to LED lights… hopefully my experience will save you MANY HEADACHES :'(
I purchased “Day Maker” LEDs on Amazon. They are NOT genuine Harley Davidson parts, but in every respect, they are a carbon copy. For all I know, they are the exact same pieces, just without the HD UPC symbols.
I purchased the running/spot lights and headlamp for about $125. They fit perfectly and were essentially plug-n-play. The headlamp came with several different harness adapters depending upon the model year.
The LED headlamp plugged directly into the power plug inside the HD fairing. Btw: mine is a 2012 CVO Ultra. This seemed REALLY SLICK as it completely eliminated the dual plug High/Low headlamp wiring harness which, btw, also had this funny little other bundle of wiring sheathed in heat shrink……..
So, after getting the lights installed and leaving for a ride, I noticed my garage door opening no longer worked? On CVO bikes, the garage door opener is activate by toggling the High/Low headlight switch.
Guess what that funny little bundle of wiring was attached to the original dual plug headlamp harness…? Yup, the TRANSMITTER.
After LOTS of experimenting with trying to wire the OE transmitter back into the bike.. and finding it WOULD active the garage door opener UNTIL I plugged in the LED headlamp, and then it would no longer activate the garage door opener! Btw: I DO have a pretty good working knowledge of electronics.
More messing with the wiring, blowing out fuses, and finally giving up, I went to my local HD dealer. They had NO direct knowledge on what exactly needs to be done to replace the OE lighting with LEDs, but we looked through the HD parts catalog for clues… btw, I was incredulous! WTF would they do IF I came in and said, “Hey guys, change out my CVO lighting to LED!” Clueless.
Working with the parts counter guy, We found that the parts Harley recommends only extend to year 2011. There was NOTHING pertaining to a 2012 or 2013 ?
The 2011 – 2013 CVO Ultras all appear to be identical, at least when it comes to the headlight / garage door wiring, so we (I) took a chance and ordered what HD recommends for a 2011.
p/n 71628-04
I purchased the LED headlight harness and while, this DID allow me to connect my LED headlamp, it had a female umbilical plug for the garage door opener transmitter… my OE transmitter was HARD WIRED into the old dual plug harness! NO PLUG!
AS NO ONE at this HD shop could tell me how to wire my old transmitter to plug into the new harness, I elected to purchase a NEW transmitter, which from the parts catalog, appeared to plug directly into the new harness…. PROBLEM SOLVED! (so I thought).
p/n 91561-01B
Upon opening the new transmitter, I found that it did NOT have a plug, but a very long wire bundle, seemingly to run it under the seat and back to the fuse box! Connectors, tie wraps, and TOTAL cluster F**k!
Another trip back to HD, we determined I also had to purchase the MALE PLUG PARTS to allow me to plug the new transmitter into the new headlamp wiring harness.
The part numbers for the plug parts that would allow me to create a male plug on the transmitter that would plug into the new wiring harness:
Socket Lock, 4 way p/n 74154-98
Socket Terminal p/n 74191-98
Housing, black 4 way Soc p/n 74114-98BK
You can see the picture of my transmitter AFTER creating the male plug.
So……. After all this, I am now back to having a WORKING garage door opener!
Btw: you DO have to reprogram the HD garage door opener receiver to the new transmitter… instructions are in the CVO Owners Manual.
Several buddies said, “Why the hell don’t you just put another garage door opener transmitter aboard your bike?” That WOULD have been the easy fix, but I wanted the bike to work as designed. Opening my garage door with the Hi/Low beam switch is slick
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For me using the Daymaker knockoff from eBay with the Harley garage door opener was a slightly different process.
1) Take out old headlight
2) Install new headlight
3) Everything worked fine (including GDO).
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Glad you got it working.
I have 2 transmitters and 1 reciever on a shelf. Might ha e been able to save you some money on them if I knew you were going that direction.
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Glad you got it working.
I have 2 transmitters and 1 reciever on a shelf. Might ha e been able to save you some money on them if I knew you were going that direction.
Just a wild guess... you aren't riding a 2012 CVO.
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2015 limited. Transmitters and reciever are from 2 bikes I had before down sizing to one bike.
When was the 2012 CVO Street Glide the other was on a 2013 Ultra Limited
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2015 limited. Transmitters and reciever are from 2 bikes I had before down sizing to one bike.
When was the 2012 CVO Street Glide the other was on a 2013 Ultra Limited
Sorry, my reply was intended to Twolanerider....
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For me using the Daymaker knockoff from eBay with the Harley garage door opener was a slightly different process.
1) Take out old headlight
2) Install new headlight
3) Everything worked fine (including GDO).
If it were that easy, I never would have posted here.
Not even the dealership had a clue how to convert my 2012 CVO Ultra to LEDs and still have garage door function. We had to figure it out from the parts catalog, and even that wasn't clear.
I'm guessing you aren't riding a 2012.
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Just a wild guess... you aren't riding a 2012 CVO.
I installed HD Daymaker headlight in my 2012 SERG. I had zero issues with the Garage door opener working. Worked just fine.
I installed a Daymaker headlight and Garge door opener on my 2013 SERK. I had no issues, was an easy installation.
My wife's 17 Road Glide special came with haymaker headlight, and the garage door opener installation was straight forward, no issues.
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If it were that easy, I never would have posted here.
Not even the dealership had a clue how to convert my 2012 CVO Ultra to LEDs and still have garage door function. We had to figure it out from the parts catalog, and even that wasn't clear.
I'm guessing you aren't riding a 2012.
Between my own bikes and some of the locals have had hands on maybe a dozen LED installations. All but two with GDO installed either before or at the same time. Including at least one that I'm sure was a 2012. None presented the soap opera you suffered through. Wish I'd had some advice. Just never had any problem with what was always a simple straightforward parts swap.
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I installed HD Daymaker headlight in my 2012 SERG. I had zero issues with the Garage door opener working. Worked just fine.
I installed a Daymaker headlight and Garge door opener on my 2013 SERK. I had no issues, was an easy installation.
My wife's 17 Road Glide special came with haymaker headlight, and the garage door opener installation was straight forward, no issues.
Well, then I guess I and the local Harley yokels need some lessons in shade-tree mechanics.
You and Twolaner must be brilliant!
Since the OE CVO garage door transmitter is HARD WIRED into the OE dual plug headlamp harness, and as the OE headlamp harness is no longer used when you switch to LEDs, we would LOVE to see HOW you guys manage to marry the two?
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Well, then I guess I and the local Harley yokels need some lessons in shade-tree mechanics.
You and Twolaner must be brilliant!
Since the OE CVO garage door transmitter is HARD WIRED into the OE dual plug headlamp harness, and as the OE headlamp harness is no longer used when you switch to LEDs, we would LOVE to see HOW you guys manage to marry the two?
No special marriage of the hardware to the bike and certainly no great shade tree skills. On bikes (some of the CVO bikes do) intended for GDO it's just plug and play. Nothing new and nothing added to the mix. If it's a bike that never had a GDO and I need power it's one simple add-in.
I don't like to make any piece of hardware non-detachable so I don't just splice in to the headlight signal wires. Will use a 1-2 plug headlight pigtail. If you can't find one at a local auto parts store they are a common item used in the nose of Road Glides for years and years.
Plug one end in to the original headlight socket. One of the other sockets goes to the headlight. The other becomes the supply for the GDO hi-lo signal (yellow and white) wires and ground (black). Pick up power (orange) at the back of the lighter element. Can't get much easier. This way the GDO xmitter doesn't have any other device or switch anywhere in the circuit behind it other than the headlight itself.
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No special marriage of the hardware to the bike and certainly no great shade tree skills. On bikes (some of the CVO bikes do) intended for GDO it's just plug and play. Nothing new and nothing added to the mix. If it's a bike that never had a GDO and I need power it's one simple add-in.
I don't like to make any piece of hardware non-detachable so I don't just splice in to the headlight signal wires. Will use a 1-2 plug headlight pigtail. If you can't find one at a local auto parts store they are a common item used in the nose of Road Glides for years and years.
Plug one end in to the original headlight socket. One of the other sockets goes to the headlight. The other becomes the supply for the GDO hi-lo signal (yellow and white) wires and ground (black). Pick up power (orange) at the back of the lighter element. Can't get much easier. This way the GDO xmitter doesn't have any other device or switch anywhere in the circuit behind it other than the headlight itself.
IF this forum would allow multiple pictures it would be MUCH easier to explain the problems that are not addressed by your post, or any others.
The dual plug harness you reference is essentially what I purchased from HD, p/n 71628-04
This harness provides a means of plugging into headlight power AND then plugging the new LED headlight into the harness, PLUS is provides a secondary plug for the GD transmitter.
Like you, I don’t like to hard-wire things that aren’t meant to be hardwired and the new harness is designed to make the GD transmitter unpluggable, rather than hard-wired.
I could have purchased the plug parts to outfit the OE hard-wired GD Tx with a male plug, BUT it wasn’t clear which wire would go where? The OE utilizes 4 wires where as the new style TX uses 3; I had already come up with what I thought was the correct wiring on the OE Tx and it DID work… until I plugged in the LED headlamp… and then it would no longer active the garage door.
Unplug the headlamp, toggle Hi/Low beam – it worked – plug the LED headlamp back in, toggle Hi/Low, NO WORK.
The other wiring scenario resulted in a blown fuse.
I don’t see enough similarities with all our descriptions to believe we were all dealing with the same problem.
I have a solid background in electronics and would have resolved this early in IF it had been that simple…
Anyway, right or wrong, my solution is totally sano, using all Harley OE parts and everything can be unplugged and replaced if necessary.
I still have all the OE parts IF I hold onto this bike for another 100 years and ever want to return it to stone stock.
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I also had trouble with converting to a led headlight. After searching I found that this worked in restoring the garage door opener to function properly.
https://www.amazon.com/Auxbeam-Conversion-Wiring-Harness-Adapter/dp/B01N59YQB0
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I had a normal Daymaker clone led headlight that worked with my garage door opener but just upgraded to another newer designed led headlight with a halo ring. My garage door opener no longer worked. Read online and even the manufacturer blamed it on the additional leds causing interference with the RF signal being transmitted. BS. After a lot of wasted time, figured out what was going on. The older 4 wire transmitters monitor power being cycled between the low and high beam. The newer led low beam stays on all of the time. Went out and purchased the updated Harley transmitter which only has 3 wires and just monitors the high beam toggle (white wire). Problem resolved. The new transmitter worked fine with the old receiver.