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CVO Technical => Intake/Exhaust/ECM => Topic started by: ChuckJr on May 28, 2018, 01:16:01 PM
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I have a 13 CVO Ultra Classic with the HD Ventilator Intake. I am looking to complete a Stage 1 with the Fullsac DX and either PowerVision or TTS tuner.
Do you think I should replace the intake too? If so what would you suggest?
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Probably not needed at that level. Do that if (when) you get the heads ported IMO. Hope that helps.
PS: Talk to one of the tuners here. I don't think tts is very good but I could be mistaken about that.
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Probably not needed at that level. Do that if (when) you get the heads ported IMO. Hope that helps.
PS: Talk to one of the tuners here. I don't think tts is very good but I could be mistaken about that.
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Probably not needed at that level. Do that if (when) you get the heads ported IMO. Hope that helps.
PS: Talk to one of the tuners here. I don't think tts is very good but I could be mistaken about that.
I agree on waiting until head work. I have to disagree about the quality of TTS. It’s the best tuner out there IMO.
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A dozen years ago the answer would have been to upgrade the air cleaner and install a free flowing exhaust, followed by a good tune, to get a Stage I improvement. That was when the stock air cleaners were quite restrictive. With late model bikes that come standard with the Ventilator air cleaner, you already have the equivalent of the Stage I air cleaner. If I was you, I'd wait on doing air cleaner updates until you make other changes that will increase the breathing capabilities of the engine. That would be things like head work, larger throttle bodies, larger displacement, higher performance cams.
As for tuning, TTS is probably the most capable system on the market for knowledgeable users/tuners. A more important question involves not the system, but who you plan to have use that system to actually tune your bike. Spend a lot more time on finding the best tuner, and then let that person help you decide what system to use. If you're just planning to use a tuning system to load canned maps, then you need to research which company has the best library of maps for your bike and your planned changes.
JMHO - Jerry
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:apple: thank you so much for the replies. It is what i had figured but wanted to tap into the collective.
To answer some of the other points:
Yes, I did find a tuner first. The tuner (holds certifications on multiple tuning platforms) says PowerVision and TTS would give the same outcome with a custom dyno tuner yet powervision is cheaper cost.
With all of that said Adapt Performance in Lafayette,LA is the tuner I have chosen. Is there anyone with any experience with that shop? Anyone else you would recommend in South Louisiana?
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I'm confusing the tts with something else then. I'm not a tuner (nor do I want to be). I leave it
to the guys that do it for a living.
But getting back to the air cleaner for a moment; The air cleaner is not enough of a restriction.
Even that stock football looking assembly flows enough air for most street applications.
Out of the entire intake tract, the valve seat is the most restrictive part, by far. So anything you
can do to improve that will get you some nice gains. If the heads are stock, a fancy air cleaner
really won't do a whole lot.
- Peace out, Matt
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Chuck,
You already have a ventilator and 58mm intake manifold, good as you need. We don’t have anyone to brag about here in BR but, mike cat’s in meterie is the best I know of.
Craig
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I seen others comment about Mike Cats as well. I need to reach out to him and see what he would suggest and charge. Thanks for the reminder Craig!
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A dozen years ago the answer would have been to upgrade the air cleaner and install a free flowing exhaust, followed by a good tune, to get a Stage I improvement. That was when the stock air cleaners were quite restrictive. With late model bikes that come standard with the Ventilator air cleaner, you already have the equivalent of the Stage I air cleaner. If I was you, I'd wait on doing air cleaner updates until you make other changes that will increase the breathing capabilities of the engine. That would be things like head work, larger throttle bodies, larger displacement, higher performance cams.
As for tuning, TTS is probably the most capable system on the market for knowledgeable users/tuners. A more important question involves not the system, but who you plan to have use that system to actually tune your bike. Spend a lot more time on finding the best tuner, and then let that person help you decide what system to use. If you're just planning to use a tuning system to load canned maps, then you need to research which company has the best library of maps for your bike and your planned changes.
JMHO - Jerry
Can you share any examples of a feature or capability you believe TTS delivers that makes it a better tuner than the Powervision?
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Chuck,
You already have a ventilator and 58mm intake manifold, good as you need. We don’t have anyone to brag about here in BR but, mike cat’s in meterie is the best I know of.
Craig
On a stock 2013 I am pretty sure you have a 50mm Throttle Body - but as stated good as you need at this point.