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[North Star]

Wanted to know from those with personal experience-

1) How is this package for reliability?

2) How is the engine heat?

3) Do you have any issues with engine ping while travelling and using various quality gasoline?

4) Is the engine temperamental at all?

I'm considering this, and spoke to Steve from GMR at length. I know Steve and his work have a great reputation, but I still wanted to hear from those who run his build, and have put several thousand miles on it.

Thanks.

[SneakyPete]

I brought my bike to GMR from Virginia and I'm extremely satisfied with the 113 build he did for me.  Engine runs smooth, cool, no pinging or PMS.  Lots of power and torque where you need it and then some.  Perfect touring build in my opinion.

I probably went above and beyond the normal 113 build, but I wanted to cure all known 110 problems in one shot.  Rebuilt heads, 58 mm HPI TB, 577 cam, lifters and pushrods, S&S 3 stage oil pump and camplate, S&S flywheel, new compensator, compensaver and Barnett scorpion clutch with lockup.

Steve is a standup guy and I'd have him do another build anyday.  It was worth the trip there and back, twice!

[SBB]

  It was worth the trip there and back, twice!

Why twice Pete?

SBB

[110tHunDer]

Once to drop off, once to pick up, I assume.

[Fired00d]

Once to drop off, once to pick up, I assume.

That's what I was thinking too... the amount of motor work, then the tune... not something that you'd want to rush... might take a few days to get it done (right).

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[barrhill]

20,000 miles on mine two clutches and a one cracked head pipe no fault of steve
buddy has the same on his 113 .
it all works good as long as we are riding together  if there  are other buddies on there victory or  103 wet heads ride a long they always seem to disappear some where behind 
and I rode my bike down all the way from Alberta twice
less heat , good mileage , low oil consumption , a lot more fun

[SneakyPete]

Once to drop off, once to pick up, I assume.

Yep, 5,600 miles total

[JoeVibe]

Go for it! 

My Ultra's 113 build was similar to Pete's but Steve didn't think I'd needed to do the lower end, based on my riding style. 11,000 miles with absolutely no issues so far. I smile every time I ride it.

I will be taking the Road King I bought last month down to Steve pretty soon. Then I'll have two GMR 113's to play with. 

[catahoula58]

Had my 2009 FLTRSE3 upgraded to GMR's 113 kit by Steve@GMRPerformance!
.600 CAM, GMR Lifters, 4130 chrome moly pushrods, 2.120 intake valve, new bronze guides, new valve springs port work, HPI 58 E FBW, 5.31 gps injector kit, 113 piston kit. Fullsac DX pipe with 2.00 inch cores.   Final numbers 128hp 133tq.  The engine purrs quietly and pulls great.  Needless to say, I am very pleased with this build!  Steve is a standup guy and won't sell you anything that you don't need or want!  Ask questions and he will explain all that you need or wish to know!  Should you choose to go this route you will not be disappointed! 

[North Star]

Thanks for all the replies so far guys.

Yeah, pretty tough to find anything bad on the 'net about GMR or their 113 kit- I joked with Steve about that.

I'm leaning towards the 113 kit with either his 577 or 600 cam, full head work, and SE 58mm TB and 5.3 injectors. A bit more that I wanted to spend, especially with the Cdn dollar doing so horrible, but like I keep saying to myself, I want to do this once (for the second time), and not have to go into the top end for at least another 50,000 miles.

Like I said, I have several exhaust pieces- the 2009 catless ceramic coated headpipe, the Fullsac DX, Rinehart 4" mufflers, and CVO cans with Fullsac 2.0 cores. I know it is everyone's recommendations to run the DX and 2" cores, but I'd rather run my stock headpipe with my Rineharts. Anyways, come tune time, I'll figure that part out.

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

North Star

. You have the " correct parts " to allow the engine to perform to its potential. I feel you will be sorry if you do not use the DX and the 2.0 cores.  I have tuned a few others that have gone back and forth with ex systems . In the end One that comes to mind ended up with the Fulsac and crushers as it made the nicest over all curve.  ( he had those parts to start with)  As you have those current parts.


Joe cannot wait to make the new RK purr

I do want to thank all of you guys for the kind words , means alot.. Yes north star... sentimental HA HA ( inside joke)

[T-Roy]

The correct exhaust system makes all of the difference in the world!!!!! When Steve did mine originally I had the Vance and Hines power dual head pipe with the Hi Output mufflers. The bike ran fine in South Louisiana but when I went to August the soft low end of the torque curve being caused by the HI Output mufflers was VERY NOTICABLE in the mountains. I stopped at Steve's place on the way home from Sturgis and we changed the mufflers to some Crushers and of course I just had to go with a bigger throttle body and injectors while I was at it I also went ahead and got a TTS tuner so he could have access to more parameters than he had with the Harley tuner. The bike is now and absolute BLAST to ride!!!

The moral of this story is to go with the exhaust that Steve recommends!!

[SneakyPete]

X2 on the exhaust!  Always makes me scratch my head when guys are willing to throw away thousands of dollars in motor work in favor of "sound".  Go with performance always, JMHO.

[Scott7d]

The correct exhaust system makes all of the difference in the world!!!!! When Steve did mine originally I had the Vance and Hines power dual head pipe with the Hi Output mufflers. The bike ran fine in South Louisiana but when I went to August the soft low end of the torque curve being caused by the HI Output mufflers was VERY NOTICABLE in the mountains. I stopped at Steve's place on the way home from Sturgis and we changed the mufflers to some Crushers and of course I just had to go with a bigger throttle body and injectors while I was at it I also went ahead and got a TTS tuner so he could have access to more parameters than he had with the Harley tuner. The bike is now and absolute BLAST to ride!!!

The moral of this story is to go with the exhaust that Steve recommends!!

The guy doing my work which includes the fullsac DX pipe convinced me to replace the High Outputs with Crushers, too. I can't wait!

[JCZ]

X2 on the exhaust! Always makes me scratch my head when guys are willing to throw away thousands of dollars in motor work in favor of "sound". Go with performance always, JMHO.

X 2     Or throw away thousands of dollars in motor work in favor of an exhaust that they like the "looks" of more than performance. 

[North Star]

I would never consider running CFRs or High Outputs due to their terrible low end performance.

I dont believe Rineharts with 2.25" cores are in the same category as the above.

When I ran my catless OEM headpipe with the rineharts and my 255 cam, I had great results with no dips or tq loss. That all changed when I switched cams and put the DX on.

So no, I wouldnt run an exhaust that kills performance.

Come tune time, I think we will try a couple combos and see what the real difference is.

[SneakyPete]

Sounds like a plan

[SneakyPete]

X 2     Or throw away thousands of dollars in motor work in favor of an exhaust that they like the "looks" of more than performance. 

X2   I was lucky in that I got both performance and good looks.  Referring to my exhaust pipes of course!

[SneakyPete]

I will be taking the Road King I bought last month down to Steve pretty soon. Then I'll have two GMR 113's to play with. 

Joe, if you are going to have all these 113's, you need to ride with the fast group!

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

I would never consider running CFRs or High Outputs due to their terrible low end performance.

I dont believe Rineharts with 2.25" cores are in the same category as the above.

When I ran my catless OEM headpipe with the rineharts and my 255 cam, I had great results with no dips or tq loss. That all changed when I switched cams and put the DX on.

So no, I wouldnt run an exhaust that kills performance.

Come tune time, I think we will try a couple combos and see what the real difference is.

The issue comes with the stock headpipe not be a free flowing ex. so in the end that will cost you power on both Hp and tq. Now the tq may hit very hard up front but it will not be able to pull out as far with a better head.  For what ever reason with that set up it worked better at that time however I can tell you that the core size

[North Star]

You didnt finish your sentence Steve, but I assume you were saying a 2.25" core is too large, even with the more restrictive OEM pipe.

Can you recommend a 2" core muffler other than the Crusher or Fullsac? I believe you said Rush Big Louies dont do the best.

What about a Drago 2-1? Would that perform well with your 113 build?

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

Well a 2.0 rush muffler ( not the big louie) works very well..  As for the DX and the 2.25 core in the rinehart may work ok I looked back and I thought the testing I had done was with a DX but in fact it was not. That bike had the FM XXX head pipe on it , and it did not bring the tq in for chit down low.  So in fact the Rinehart may work  BUT the tq curve tends to suffer a bit down low with the larger core mufflers based on what I have seen . back to the 2.0 louvered 100 % of length of muffler deal. Now some mufflers have 50% of the core punched and the rest not and that in the larger CI can create tuning issues and lack of power 

[North Star]

How would a Rush/Drago 2-1 with 2.5" baffle work?

If a 2-1 is recommended, would the stepped or non-stepped pipe be preferable? (Non-stepped is the Rush standard or Drago S/C/S-4).

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

The 2-1 with teh 2.5 baffle would work fine, Now here is a 113 600 cam zilla pipe NO head work with 58 TB , as you can see it still has good low end even with the perforated core baffle which I am not a fan of

[North Star]

Wow looks nice, despite the Boarzilla I think 

So which 2-1. Stepped or non-stepped Drago/Rush?

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

I only have testing on the Rush wrath pipe , I have not tested Franks new stepped pipe. So with that said in the Rush line up the wrath with 2.5 would work fine. Now with that said Frank has shown some nice numbers with his own version , It is just that I have not run his stepped pipe. I posted that show a larger stepped 2-1 for example.

With the 113 I think the DX and your Rineharts would be fine if you have the 2.25 baffle and not the 2.5  version.

If you want the 2-1 then again I think I have shown what you can look to see there as well.   

[JoeVibe]

Joe cannot wait to make the new RK purr

Steve - I can't wait either! It's purring now, you need to make it roar! You've spoiled me with my Ultra. The RK feels like I'm dragging an anchor behind it!
Things are finally starting to get closer to normal here at home. I'll give you a call in the next week or two to finalize the details and I'll be heading your way.

Joe, if you are going to have all these 113's, you need to ride with the fast group!

I may just have to give it a try and see if I can keep up, Pete. Should have enough HP, not sure about the skill level. Guess we'll see. (Just don't tell Janet. )

[brassspike]

Yep, 5,600 miles total

Hmmm, Would be about the same for me. Then again, if someone else wanted to share,...... I have an enclosed trailer set up for two??

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

We have more than enough room here for the trailer to be stored on property  without issue as well should any one choose that route and want to lighted the load on the way back.

[North Star]

The 2-1 with teh 2.5 baffle would work fine, Now here is a 113 600 cam zilla pipe NO head work with 58 TB , as you can see it still has good low end even with the perforated core baffle which I am not a fan of

I think I remember when you posted this graph on another thread where you said you were impressed with that tune. I'm not a fan of D&D as I dont like the sound, but I do like the Dragos 2-1's. My riding buddy from FLA runs the Dragula 2, and I like the sound of that, and its reputed to perform well.

I was thinking about going 2-1 awhile back, just for a change really. At the time, I was leaning towards the non- stepped version, as I thought it tuned easier and was better for low end tq.

The bonus is a new 2-1 wont cost me anything once I sell my 2 sets of mufflers and headpipes.

If not, Im glad to hear my DX and Rineharts are a decent set up after all. Ill have to give this some thought.

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

with a 113 you could run both version the stepped will yeild more power across the board . I ran a zilla on my 107

[db252]

I just got my 113 back together from Steve (thank you much sir) and I am running the Dragula 2 2:1. Now I haven't gotten on it as I'm trying to do the necessary break in but I have loaded the throttle a bit and I felt my grip pulling away from the bars so I know the power will be there. I have some tuning to do as it idles great and wants to go like a bandit with just some mild throttle but cruising is causing a little rough running. I know I eventually will work that out but I need to get some miles on it. I can't give you a feeling as to temps yet but I know it will be less than stock.

The Dragula pipe has been awesome before the build and I can already tell it will be great with the 113.

Finally, Steve's 113 kit is a great kit and you can't go wrong with it. He's a perfectionist to his design and craftsmanship and this has been proven countless times on this and other forums.

[Hotrod50]

I brought my bike to GMR from Virginia and I'm extremely satisfied with the 113 build he did for me.  Engine runs smooth, cool, no pinging or PMS.  Lots of power and torque where you need it and then some.  Perfect touring build in my opinion.

I probably went above and beyond the normal 113 build, but I wanted to cure all known 110 problems in one shot.  Rebuilt heads, 58 mm HPI TB, 577 cam, lifters and pushrods, S&S 3 stage oil pump and camplate, S&S flywheel, new compensator, compensaver and Barnett scorpion clutch with lockup.

Steve is a standup guy and I'd have him do another build anyday.  It was worth the trip there and back, twice!

Just curious, what did all this cost?  My 09SERG has 55,000 miles, haven't changed anything, has original compensator and clutch.  Want to bullet-proof it.

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

Feel free to call the shop I can go over the kit with you and then you can decide what work that you want to do vs paying a shop. Every ones idea of bullet proof is not the same. You are not far from us so it is a job that we can do if you are looking for a one stop build tune style shop.

[Rooster]

Feel free to call the shop I can go over the kit with you and then you can decide what work that you want to do vs paying a shop. Every ones idea of bullet proof is not the same. You are not far from us so it is a job that we can do if you are looking for a one stop build tune style shop.

Big city tongue twister that is Good one Steve

[FAST380]

db252, how did your tune turn out?

I have both the Dragula 2 and Fullsac B pipe (need smaller CVO cores) it sounds like both are going to perform really well.

Is there a big tuning difference between th B and DX pipes? Is there a significant difference between the Dragula and either Fullsac setups with 2" cores?

[North Star]

db252, how did your tune turn out?

I have both the Dragula 2 and Fullsac B pipe (need smaller CVO cores) it sounds like both are going to perform really well.

Is there a big tuning difference between th B and DX pipes? Is there a significant difference between the Dragula and either Fullsac setups with 2" cores?

You know, my riding buddy from FLA has a 120ST with extra hop ups done, and he runs the Dragula 2 with 3" baffle. I have the GMR 113- mods are in my signature.

Can't remember if he ever showed me his dyno sheet before, but I ran across his sheet in a thread on another forum. Our curves look very similar, and he is only 6 hp and 8 tq more than me.

We just did a big road trip in July/August, and he kept joking about my "little 113". Wish I knew at the time how close in performance our engines actually were.

I really don't think a 2-1 is necessarily any better than a good 2-1-2 with the proper mufflers.