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2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« on: October 05, 2017, 06:28:43 PM »

Old Glory HD in Laurel MD has a 2018 CVO Street Glide For Sale (Orange/ Black Denim).

They are selling it at MSRP Plus $2,000.00. I asked what they added to the bike, and Mr. T said nothing. The colors are very limited this year, and they are only getting one of each.

$41,949+ tax, fees, etc.

I will never give them (dealers who markup) one penny of my business.

“Stealership”.

 Buyer Beware!
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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2017, 06:46:17 PM »

Old Glory HD in Laurel MD has a 2018 CVO Street Glide For Sale (Orange/ Black Denim).

They are selling it at MSRP Plus $2,000.00. I asked what they added to the bike, and Mr. Tart said nothing. The colors are very limited this year, and they are only getting one of each.

$41,949+ tax, fees, etc.

I’ll state publicly that I will never ever give them one penny of my business.

Talk about a “Stealership”.

 Buyer Beware!
They always try to get over MSRP. I tried to buy a 2015 CVO from them. They tried the same stuff with me. I went to Romells and bought it for MSRP. They called me the next day and said OK MSRP...I told them no thanks I bought one already.


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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2017, 08:07:32 PM »

For my 2017 CVO Limited I paid 10% below MSRP
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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2017, 10:52:24 PM »

We were in Pensacola, FL this past Saturday  and the dealer had both a CVO Street Glide and a CVO Road Glide.
Both were in the Gray color.  I asked how much for each and the sales guy says,  DSRP,  and I said,  and what is that?
$50k for the RG,  and $48k for the SG!, but we're giving you Zero interest!  He said that with a straight face too!
Oh yeah,  that's plus dealer prep and shipping!

I guess we must live on different planets.

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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2017, 06:30:42 AM »

Just know there are dealers that will sell them at MSRP.  I know people who have already picked up there 18 CVO Street glides for MSRP.  I got my 18 CVO Road glide for MSRP.

It pays to shop.  Must be why those bikes are on the floor, over MSRP.  Dealers selling them at MSRP, don't have them on the floor.
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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2017, 08:45:38 AM »

Just know there are dealers that will sell them at MSRP.  I know people who have already picked up there 18 CVO Street glides for MSRP.  I got my 18 CVO Road glide for MSRP.

It pays to shop.  Must be why those bikes are on the floor, over MSRP.  Dealers selling them at MSRP, don't have them on the floor.

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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2017, 09:04:11 AM »

Old Glory HD in Laurel MD has a 2018 CVO Street Glide For Sale (Orange/ Black Denim).

They are selling it at MSRP Plus $2,000.00. I asked what they added to the bike, and Mr. Tart said nothing. The colors are very limited this year, and they are only getting one of each.

$41,949+ tax, fees, etc.

I’ll state publicly that I will never ever give them one penny of my business.

Talk about a “Stealership”.

 Buyer Beware!

New bike allotments are based on prior sales history.

Perhaps, if they would rethink their pricing policy they would sell more bike thus get more inventory.

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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2017, 10:09:28 AM »

When we bought our 15 CVO we also planned to trade our 09 CVO towards it.  We stopped in at Old Glory and got their price while explaining we were also going to another dealer for their price.  So we advised them to show their "best and final" offer.  When we went to Dealer #2 we also told them we were shopping 2 dealers.  They beat the Old Glory deal by over $2000.  Obviously we purchased from Dealer #2.  We were back at Old Glory a couple weeks later and the salesman asked what we had done.  We explained, and he had the nerve to ask why we hadn't returned for a counter offer.  What part of "best and final" was not clear?

We love our 15 and are happy with the very fair deal we got.
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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2017, 06:46:26 AM »

New bike allotments are based on prior sales history.

Perhaps, if they would rethink their pricing policy they would sell more bike thus get more inventory.

 :drink:

That is very true.

The CVO Limited Anniversary bike, each dealer only gets one off.  But that is the only bike not based on past history of sales.
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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2017, 10:48:59 AM »

Over MSRP with that engine (M8) .... Not going to happen
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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2017, 06:31:03 AM »

Paying MSRP or Over MSRP went out the window after 2003 !! In 2004 bikes were available every where so let the dealing begin since 2004  I never purchased a bike @ MSRP or Over MSRP.

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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2017, 11:10:17 AM »

Dealers in NC are price gouging on the CVO models, even ones that were “ always MSRP” are even joining the club..even tilley’s which never did before is now doing it. How sad.
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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2017, 11:20:56 AM »

When sales continue to drop I guess the dealers think charging more is the answer. Never seen a business improve the bottom line by charging more.
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2017, 11:35:41 AM »

When sales continue to drop I guess the dealers think charging more is the answer. Never seen a business improve the bottom line by charging more.

Late 1980s I worked for a company that did just that. Big sales decline, so they raised prices to maintain profits.  It worked, if you consider losing over 50% of their then current sales and closing a plant & dropping about 50% of the products they offered. Today that company is no more - just a small niche branded label component of a large conglomerate.
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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2017, 12:21:38 PM »

Follow-up:

Old Glory still has the ‘18 CVO Street Glide in Orange/Black for sale at $2k over MSRP; however, they are tossing in the first service (gotta laugh).

They are also willing to accept a trade/ ‘17 CVO SG—$30k offer. They have a red/Black ‘17 CVO used for sale for $36K+.

I was able to test ride the ‘18 CVO—I noticed little difference in performance. The sound is better/louder, and it comes w/heated grips. Is moving from a ‘17 to an ‘18 worth $10k plus (based on $30K trade)? Absolutely not in my opinion. Factor in the dealer markup and it would be $12k+.

Is the bump in price from a ‘17 to an ‘18 justified?

Pros: Heated grips and upgraded sound (note: I met someone with an ‘18 CVO RG-he has already blown a speaker 3 weeks in-stated he hates the boom and is getting a new system).

Cons: Depends on your viewpoint—paint and 117 vs ‘17 paint/114.

Does the 114 liquid cooled and ‘17 paint cost more  than the ‘18 paint/117? Based on the forum—many are saying that Harley saved money using the 117 engine/paint vs previous year.

I think Harley made the right decision w/heated grips. As for the sound system, I blew out multiple speakers on my ‘15 CVO, and had an issue w/saddlebag speaker on my ‘17. I do like playing my music loud, but blowing out speakers after the warranty ends can get costly.





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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2017, 04:25:53 PM »

I can buy a pretty damn good engine upgrade and a top end stereo, not to mention heated grips for less than $10K. They haven’t realized there is a limit to our stupidity and continued support.

It’s going to be very sad days around HD sooner than they think.
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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2017, 06:13:50 PM »

I can buy a pretty damn good engine upgrade and a top end stereo, not to mention heated grips for less than $10K. They haven’t realized there is a limit to our stupidity and continued support.

It’s going to be very sad days around HD sooner than they think.

Exactly.  Read Steve/Fullsac's recent post on a budget build for a 107 and look at the numbers he's getting.  I'm speculating there will be plenty of '18 CVOs in Sept that will be selling below MSRP.
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2017, 03:05:28 PM »

Yeah some of these dealers have become most egregious.  I called on a 2017 CVO Orange/Black SG new, the dealer was asking 42K, I told the sales person good luck selling this, you will have it a loooooooooooooooong time at that number.  CNBC always has Harley exec's on and they always say the older riders are not buying and not riding as much.  The younger riders are not on Harleys and in fact the other day I saw something that less and less people are riding every year.  I have gone the used market, much better deals.  Better get it while you can dealers...............greedy bastards................MAM
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« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2017, 01:04:25 PM »

Unfortunately a lotta HD dealers have sold out to car dealership companies. The Harley dealership is then run like a Hyundai dealership. Gone are the days when Harley dealers were MOTORCYCLE dealers, run and owned by guys that ride and love there bikes.

I'm sure there are some that operate the old way but they are rare.

Speaking of changes facing The MoCo, after 28 years on Harleys including one CVO I bought a new 18 BMW K1600b bagger. Not putting down Harley as I still like them, I couldn't resist being able to buy a new bike that looked good to me, has 160hp and 129lb of torque, XM satellite, state of the art suspension that electronically adjust between rider, rider and passenger or 2 up with luggage. A state of the art ABS linked brakes system, power locks, including bags and front neck lock. Clutchless shifting option, heated seats and grips, power windshield, tire pressure monitors, stero of course, on and on. Only 741lbs to. All for a little over $24,000. To get some of those features on a Harley you must buy a CVO. Over $40,000. With much less power, handling, ride/comfort. The two bikes are day and night.

The BMW 6cyl is built entirely at there German factory including the crankshaft. No Chinese engine parts. So smooth it doesn't need a counter balancer or any isolators. You have to experience the motor to appreciate. 

Yes, Harley has some work to do.

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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2017, 09:59:48 PM »


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Unfortunately a lotta HD dealers have sold out to car dealership companies. The Harley dealership is then run like a Hyundai dealership. Gone are the days when Harley dealers were MOTORCYCLE dealers, run and owned by guys that ride and love there bikes.


I have been seeing this in my local area for few years now. Almost all my dealers are owned by car dealers or retired Canadian car dealers. This is killing the new bike industry, I for one am tired of their holier than thou attitude. It’s a privilege for you to buy from me attitude as well as they have ruined the service side of Harley dealers.
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« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2017, 10:20:45 PM »

I have been shopping my 17 CVO street glide with stage 4, totally blacked out, 3 amps, 6- stage 2 speakers, d&d exhaust etc.
trade in values have been from $30-34k.
I finally got a deal for $39,000 for my bike on trade for 2 anniversary bikes.
I found the 2018 anniversary street glide special has a ton of CVO features on it and it allows me to customize it and still save 6-7k compared to new cvo street glide pricing. I also have the stock 114” set up from my stage 4 upgrade that I am going to install on that beautiful legend blue denim street glide.
I also agreed to buy the new fat boy in the same paint and graphics scheme.
I am buying 2 very nice and limited anniversary bikes for just a few grand more than the CVO road glide in gunship gray that I was going to buy and then customize. Looks like I got 2 new project bikes coming down my way.
I love my CVO’s but they just are getting to far out of control with $$$$  price versus features. Especially when I can buy 2 just as limited production bikes for the price of one.
My only fear is that I will now have 2- m8 motors to worry about.
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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2017, 08:21:07 AM »

Unfortunately a lotta HD dealers have sold out to car dealership companies. The Harley dealership is then run like a Hyundai dealership. Gone are the days when Harley dealers were MOTORCYCLE dealers, run and owned by guys that ride and love there bikes.

I'm sure there are some that operate the old way but they are rare.

Not that rare in my area.  Owner of Smoky Mountain HD is one heck of a good rider.  Most would be very hard pressed to hang with him in the curves.  He owns several stores.  Boswell's Harley-Davidson owner Bubba is also one heck of a skilled rider.  Again most could not keep up with him in the curves, he owns two stores.  Both of these guys are active in running their stores, interact with the customers.  They also help customers. 

Bumps Family is another in my area.  They own a few stores, and the brothers are riders, as was their father who just passed.

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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2017, 06:27:59 PM »

Not that rare in my area.  Owner of Smoky Mountain HD is one heck of a good rider.  Most would be very hard pressed to hang with him in the curves.  He owns several stores.  Boswell's Harley-Davidson owner Bubba is also one heck of a skilled rider.  Again most could not keep up with him in the curves, he owns two stores.  Both of these guys are active in running their stores, interact with the customers.  They also help customers. 

Bumps Family is another in my area.  They own a few stores, and the brothers are riders, as was their father who just passed.
That's good, I on the other hand have experienced many that are owned by car dealers and run like one.

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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2017, 11:32:25 PM »

In the last year 3 local longtime H-D dealers/riders have sold out to car dealers, and there is another car dealer opening 2 new H-D dealers from scratch in our area.

I've been told that car dealers run things differently... Time will tell if that is good or bad.  :nixweiss: 
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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2017, 07:11:34 AM »

In the last year 3 local longtime H-D dealers/riders have sold out to car dealers, and there is another car dealer opening 2 new H-D dealers from scratch in our area.

I've been told that car dealers run things differently... Time will tell if that is good or bad.  :nixweiss:

At least car dealers are used to discounting, particularly at year end.  VOLUME Baby!
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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2017, 08:13:12 AM »

In the last year 3 local longtime H-D dealers/riders have sold out to car dealers, and there is another car dealer opening 2 new H-D dealers from scratch in our area.

I've been told that car dealers run things differently... Time will tell if that is good or bad.  :nixweiss:

Interesting...in Ontario? Which ones?
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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2017, 09:24:15 AM »

Not that rare in my area.  Owner of Smoky Mountain HD is one heck of a good rider.  Most would be very hard pressed to hang with him in the curves. 

Well said, Dave.  I don't know how Scott keeps pegs on his bikes....the boy can ride  :2vrolijk_21:

Both of these guys are active in running their stores, interact with the customers.  They also help customers

...and exactly why people feel welcome and keep coming back.  The MSRP or better is just icing on the cake.
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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2017, 05:12:13 PM »

Funny the salesmen at our local dealers seem to be displaced car salesmen mainly because they have no product knowledge or knowledge of past years products. Seem to be just peddlers. Another reason not to buy for me. I'm sure there are many that have not gone this direction and I'm sure it will be obvious by their better experience. 
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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2017, 06:01:31 PM »

Funny the salesmen at our local dealers seem to be displaced car salesmen mainly because they have no product knowledge or knowledge of past years products. Seem to be just peddlers. Another reason not to buy for me. I'm sure there are many that have not gone this direction and I'm sure it will be obvious by their better experience.
I've seen the same thing. The ones that get to me are the 20 something's, dressed like a biker with long wallet chain. Without a clue about motorcycles. Don't think they own one or even ride. They are commissioned sales, they sell sizzle. "I can put you into this bike with no money down". That is what they know.

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« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2017, 08:39:14 AM »

I've seen the same thing. The ones that get to me are the 20 something's, dressed like a biker with long wallet chain. Without a clue about motorcycles. Don't think they own one or even ride. They are commissioned sales, they sell sizzle. "I can put you into this bike with no money down". That is what they know.

I miss the old days. Guess that means I'm old. :)



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The dealers I have mentioned, the salesmen ride also.  A few are in true MC's.  They know the product line, they all own one of the products.  Not saying the are experts and know everything but they do have a very strong knowledge.

I must be fortunate to have dealers around me where the owners are riders, and the sales staff are riders. 
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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2017, 09:19:19 AM »

Interesting...in Ontario? Which ones?

Davies H-D in Richmond Hill sold to Pfaff Auto Group, Fox H-D in Owen Sound sold to Forbes Auto Group, Jacox in Mississauga sold to Brown's a 5 location McDonald's owner (burgers not cars for this one), and there is a new dealer opening up in Oakville and soon after in Brampton by Policaro Auto Group.
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« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2017, 12:03:54 PM »

Davies H-D in Richmond Hill sold to Pfaff Auto Group, Fox H-D in Owen Sound sold to Forbes Auto Group, Jacox in Mississauga sold to Brown's a 5 location McDonald's owner (burgers not cars for this one), and there is a new dealer opening up in Oakville and soon after in Brampton by Policaro Auto Group.
As I have said, miss the old days.

You could walk back to the shop, talk with the tech working on your bike.

They had bar stools at the parts counter, riders were drinking coffee, some smoking while shopping for parts.

The showroom had bikes and parts, a small rack of clothing.

They didn't have commissioned sales people. You bought from the owner or there family. The few employees were long term.

They didn't offer financing. If you wanted a new Harley, bring the money.

There was a genuine feeling of family. It really felt like relationships came before anything else.

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Re: 2018 Pricing and Dealer Markup
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2017, 01:12:28 PM »

Davies H-D in Richmond Hill sold to Pfaff Auto Group, Fox H-D in Owen Sound sold to Forbes Auto Group, Jacox in Mississauga sold to Brown's a 5 location McDonald's owner (burgers not cars for this one), and there is a new dealer opening up in Oakville and soon after in Brampton by Policaro Auto Group.

Thanks didn't know that. remember Toronto Harley? I think it was owned by a ferrari dealership.
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« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2017, 01:35:07 PM »

As I have said, miss the old days.

You could walk back to the shop, talk with the tech working on your bike.

They had bar stools at the parts counter, riders were drinking coffee, some smoking while shopping for parts.

The showroom had bikes and parts, a small rack of clothing.

They didn't have commissioned sales people. You bought from the owner or there family. The few employees were long term.

They didn't offer financing. If you wanted a new Harley, bring the money.

There was a genuine feeling of family. It really felt like relationships came before anything else.

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....and you knew you were getting close to the HD dealer in a town when you passed the pawn shops and strip clubs  ;D

K'ville HD original Clinton Hwy store (circa 1968) was just down from their "new store" (late 70's) which is now their Indian store up from their "new" store (early 90's) which is now their Honda shop just down from their "really new" store (three years ago) which, except for certain staff, has little to no "feeling" to it.  Their current Indian dealership is where I purchased my first Harley back many moons ago.  It was just as you described in your post, Scott, oil drippings in the parking lot and all....old school for sure and I do miss that experience.  SMHD comes close to having that "welcome home" feel but nothing compares to the old days with today's boutiques.  Of course, you don't have to worry about the part of town these new shops are in... :2vrolijk_21:
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« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2017, 02:01:36 PM »

....and you knew you were getting close to the HD dealer in a town when you passed the pawn shops and strip clubs  ;D



Haird, that must have been in a past life.
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Haird, that must have been in a past life.
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« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2017, 05:29:07 PM »

....and you knew you were getting close to the HD dealer in a town when you passed the pawn shops and strip clubs  ;D

K'ville HD original Clinton Hwy store (circa 1968) was just down from their "new store" (late 70's) which is now their Indian store up from their "new" store (early 90's) which is now their Honda shop just down from their "really new" store (three years ago) which, except for certain staff, has little to no "feeling" to it.  Their current Indian dealership is where I purchased my first Harley back many moons ago.  It was just as you described in your post, Scott, oil drippings in the parking lot and all....old school for sure and I do miss that experience.  SMHD comes close to having that "welcome home" feel but nothing compares to the old days with today's boutiques.  Of course, you don't have to worry about the part of town these new shops are in... :2vrolijk_21:
You nailed It! When I would buy a new Harley the dealership owner would come out and hand me a cold beer. We would celebrate before I hit the road. Would not fly today :)

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« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2017, 05:37:49 PM »

Thanks didn't know that. remember Toronto Harley? I think it was owned by a ferrari dealership.

You're very close... Lamborghini.  Not that either of those lucky to own one of them would admit to.  However, for us commoners - close enough.  ;D

I purchased my first Harley from Toronto Harley on the Queensway prior to Jacox resurrecting that dealership, and many years before Harley-Davidson of Toronto (the Lamborghini guy) opened their doors on Front Street.  They certainly didn't last long after building the massive building on Lawrence Ave., although I believe they're still selling the exotic cars.
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« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2017, 05:47:22 PM »

You nailed It! When I would buy a new Harley the dealership owner would come out and hand me a cold beer. We would celebrate before I hit the road. Would not fly today :)

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And for those lucky enough to have met Jim Robinson of Robinson's Harley-Davidson in Wheatley, Ontario (Canada's 2nd oldest dealership), you most likely found Jim wrenching in the garage which was attached to his home overlooking Lake Erie, and he would be in cutoff shorts and sneakers working away.  Of course he would always offer up a cold one from the fridge in the corner of the shop.

Jim was an amazing fellow who passed away in his early 80's doing what he loved - on the track racing his Harley!  Quite a guy that we miss terribly.

Unfortunately H-D in their wisdom took his dealership away because he didn't want to build a massive place backing onto Hwy. 401 and preferred things the way they were at the lake.  We too Jim, we too!  That's why I still visit Jim's family at their shop (Robinson's Motorcycles) whenever I'm in the area.  They only sell used Harleys now, but still do a great job on service as well as sales.
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« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2017, 06:58:27 AM »

Grizz same thing happened in Sarnia (Motorsports HD).  Ray the owner in his 70's would not lay out the millions to build on HWY 402 in Sarnia so they pulled his dealership couple years back.  Bought 3 bikes from Ray.  Now have to travel to Duke's in Chatham owned by RM Restoration/Sotheby's Auctions with a GM not an owner at the helm.
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« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2017, 09:40:07 AM »

yup, times are changing....
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« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2017, 05:04:00 PM »

I cant figure out which I find more annoying, Dealers that keeping gouging you guys or listening to folks whining about it. It doesn't really matter what you think or what you say you will or will not ever do. you don't have any skin in the game, if you want to pony up the money and buy you a store and sell everything you want for what ever price you like. Have at it, And trust me regardless of how much they mark them up there is always somebody somewhere with more money than brains and they will pay the price. I've done both sales manager and customer its all about how you spin this. And you going out and buying a BMW or an Indian just because you are feed up will not solve the head game you are playing with yourself and trying to convince all of us to participate in, because I'm sick of this or that. What's up with all the negative vibes guys, come on! Be happy for what you have recognize what you can and can not do anything about. And lastly find you a dealer who loves Harleys and his customers and stick close. Love you brothers!

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« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2017, 08:29:13 PM »

well said, Big
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« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2017, 01:25:52 PM »

remember Toronto Harley?

I do. I got my 2011 CVO SG from there. It was a massive building. Boasted that it had the largest HD Sign in Canada. It was a beautiful dealership but at the end it was smoke and mirrors. The service sucked. They also were taking money for extended warranties and the buyers were NOT signed up, ish. Lucky I did not buy at that time and I got it at a later date from Mackie HD.

Anywho when I put my deposit down on July 27, 2010 and the later agreed on a price by the time I took delivery on December 18, 2010 the Canadian dollar was doing really well. So when I went to pay the price dropped a couple of thousand. Will have to check for the exact amount but it was around 4 or 5 grand. (I Think)

When the place closed I followed one of the guys to Mackie for my HD needs. I got the extended warranty from there too. I have to say that with the lemon that I got they treated me very well. I am at about $32 000 in work done on my scoot over the years. Yes I still love it and the dealership. Mackie HD is the best IMO.

As I write this I realized that in 2 days my warranty is done. December 18, 2010 is when I took possession of my scoot. Wow how time flies.

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« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2017, 01:49:15 PM »

I got my ‘18 Street Glide for the same price as it’s listed, no markup. Both places I visited quoted me the same. Ended up going with the shop that gave me the most for my trades.
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« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2018, 07:21:57 PM »

If your near Ohio, try Baxter's HD in Bidwell, Ohio. If no trade in they will make you a deal on CVO's on the floor!
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« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2018, 07:00:49 AM »

Bootlegger HD in Knoxville, TN has an '18 Limited anniversary and an '18 CVO Road Glide in black earth and vivid black....both at MSRP
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« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2018, 05:06:38 AM »

It comes down to this, pay  a premium for the newest toy or wait 9 months and get a deep discount. Sales business is not pleasant, believe me I dislike every part of it. i bought my dream CVO SG new much less than what they were offering on ebay across the country. All flowers loose their smell, no one desires an old girl in their 40s with hot 20s running around. Just wait and that CVO will come at your price point, Harley and the market is facing tough times ahead. BTW 45k for a CVO is idiotic IMO! I have bought a few "foreign bikes" lately 3 to be exact and they are worlds over any CVO.
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« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2018, 12:14:05 PM »

Mind if I quote you a few times on this "All flowers loose their smell, no one desires an old girl in their 40s with hot 20s running around."?
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« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2018, 02:39:09 PM »

.... All flowers loose their smell, no one desires an old girl in their 40s with hot 20s running around....
I'm not sure about that... at 60+ a 40 year old would be alright... 20 year old still has some maturing to do where as the 40 year old would be mature enough to want a "good" time w/out the drama. ;) :D

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« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2018, 03:01:22 PM »

I'm not sure about that... at 60+ a 40 year old would be alright... 20 year old still has some maturing to do where as the 40 year old would be mature enough to want a "good" time w/out the as much drama. ;) :D

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« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2018, 05:24:32 PM »

Hey d00d, I fixed that for ya.... :2vrolijk_21:
Yea, guess you got a point... they all come w/a certain degree of drama.... but we wouldn't have it any other way, keeps us on our toes. :D :D

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« Reply #52 on: May 11, 2018, 10:25:37 PM »

I'm not sure about that... at 60+ a 40 year old would be alright... 20 year old still has some maturing to do where as the 40 year old would be mature enough to want a "good" time w/out the drama. ;) :D

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« Reply #53 on: May 14, 2018, 10:15:48 AM »

I cant figure out which I find more annoying, Dealers that keeping gouging you guys or listening to folks whining about it. It doesn't really matter what you think or what you say you will or will not ever do. you don't have any skin in the game, if you want to pony up the money and buy you a store and sell everything you want for what ever price you like. Have at it, And trust me regardless of how much they mark them up there is always somebody somewhere with more money than brains and they will pay the price. I've done both sales manager and customer its all about how you spin this. And you going out and buying a BMW or an Indian just because you are feed up will not solve the head game you are playing with yourself and trying to convince all of us to participate in, because I'm sick of this or that. What's up with all the negative vibes guys, come on! Be happy for what you have recognize what you can and can not do anything about. And lastly find you a dealer who loves Harleys and his customers and stick close. Love you brothers!

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« Reply #54 on: May 14, 2018, 04:19:14 PM »

We all know that owing a Harley we will never die rich...At lease not me....
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« Reply #55 on: May 21, 2018, 03:42:36 PM »

We all know that owing a Harley we will never die rich...At lease not me....

Hey, who said we had to leave our kids a bunch of anything?  A nice Harley wouldn't be too bad...LOL...

Back to the "stealerships":  if a con man were to go door to door telling the lies of HD salesmen, or most car salespeople, they'd have them up on charges so fast it would make their parts hurt.  Go figure...go to a place you should like to get conned....

We're just gluttons for punishment......
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