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[Heatwave]

no bueno....

Try the links above again. They were inadvertently abbreviated.

[DesertHOG]

No news there ^ .  Many have known that Harley engines were an error message for quite some time.

 

[Heatwave]

Jerry, I agree...so.....why did they need a new carb report certification?

I’m gonna guess they needed recertification because of a redesign that effected emissions. Is this a redesign to address sumping?

[DesertHOG]

Be nice Simon or I'll email you a picture of Donald Trump french kissing with your favorite pet!

Oh Heavens to Betsy, My Poor Betsy!

[OBB]

so 114 [1868cc] is the standard engine on the 2019 touring no more 107 ?

I caught that too as soon as I looked at the report. It may be time to drop down to a "standard" model. Who am I kidding. I'd spend another 10k on top of that to get it where I want it.

[charles05663]

Link, in case you're interested: https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2019/2019.php

Someone, please educate me. What is the difference between CVO Road Glide and CVO Road Glide Stage - 1 ?

Make Model Engine EIM TRANS ECS EVAP (cc) (kg)
HARLEY-DAVIDSON CVO ROAD GLIDE 1923 490 M6 SFI, TWC, 2H02S KHDXU0025ACA
HARLEY-DAVIDSON CVO ROAD GLIDE 1923 490 M6 SFI, TWC, 2H02S KHDXU0025ACA STAGE -1
HARLEY-DAVIDSON CVO STREET 1923 480 M6 S,FI, TWC, 2H02S KHDXU0025ACA GLIDE
HARLEY-DAVIDSON CVO STREET 1923 480 M6 SFI, TWC, 2H02S KHDXU0025ACA GLIDE STAGE - 1
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Price. They prolly charge a butt load of money for the stage 1 “upgrade.”

 

[DesertHOG]

I'm sorry..... 

 

[Heatwave]

Price. They prolly charge a butt load of money for the stage 1 “upgrade.”

 

Here’s my guess. Stage one means high flow Street Cannon exhaust + SE tuner. MSRP bought separately would be $2000. I’m gonna guess they sell it as a $1200 uograde over a regular CVO. They will promote the Stage 1 as “cooler” with the cats moved under the saddlebags and ready for future upgrades.

Just my wild guess.

[iski]

Here’s my guess. Stage one means high flow Street Cannon exhaust + SE tuner. MSRP bought separately would be $2000. I’m gonna guess they sell it as a $1200 uograde over a regular CVO. They will promote the Stage 1 as “cooler” with the cats moved under the saddlebags and ready for future upgrades.

Just my wild guess.

A good guess.  Will raise ya to $1500 over regular CVO MSRP, and a sticker saying Stage 1 will be on the air cleaner.

[Heatwave]

A good guess.  Will raise ya to $1500 over regular CVO MSRP, and a sticker saying Stage 1 will be on the air cleaner.

You might be right but then it’ll be barely worth it. You can usually buy the exhaust and tuner for 20% off. Plus if you buy the upgrade afterwards, you’ll have the stock exhaust to sell which is probably worth $400-500. But who knows, maybe they make it a wide-band O2 setup with the tuner which might explain why they needed CARB cert.

[iski]

You might be right but then it’ll be barely worth it. You can usually buy the exhaust and tuner for 20% off. Plus if you buy the upgrade afterwards, you’ll have the stock exhaust to sell which is probably worth $400-500. But who knows, maybe they make it a wide-band O2 setup with the tuner which might explain why they needed CARB cert.

Good points.  But some would pay the extra for the cool Stage 1 sticker.  Harley does not over estimate the smarts of it's buying audience.  If the Stage 1 in an actual imprint (powder coat/paint) on the air cleaner they might try for the full $2k.

[grc]

EPA certifications are updated every year, whether the vehicle involved changed or not.  Based on some of the old CARB reports I've read in years gone by, I believe the same is true for CARB.  So don't assume there was a change that affected emissions just because you see a carryover model and engine listed in the latest model year reports. 

Jerry

[Heatwave]

EPA certifications are updated every year, whether the vehicle involved changed or not.  Based on some of the old CARB reports I've read in years gone by, I believe the same is true for CARB.  So don't assume there was a change that affected emissions just because you see a carryover model and engine listed in the latest model year reports. 

Jerry

Definitely wih you but clearly the “Stage 1” version of the previous models is something new. I’m guessing it has to do with an exhaust change “option” from the factory. I’m guessing HD will be offering the SE high flow exhaust (with tuner) as a CVO option directly from the factory.

By offerring the high flow exhaust, they can address some of the passenger complaints of heat from the Cat by moving the Cats under the saddlebags instead of the headpipe. Not to mention squeezing even more $ out of their CVO bike buyers.

[Rooster]

Oh Heavens to Betsy, My Poor Betsy!

That camel needs a big chapstick

[grc]

Definitely wih you but clearly the “Stage 1” version of the previous models is something new. I’m guessing it has to do with an exhaust change “option” from the factory. I’m guessing HD will be offering the SE high flow exhaust (with tuner) as a CVO option directly from the factory.

By offerring the high flow exhaust, they can address some of the passenger complaints of heat from the Cat by moving the Cats under the saddlebags instead of the headpipe. Not to mention squeezing even more $ out of their CVO bike buyers.

I agree it's a good theory, but actually they already had to do the EPA and CARB certifications not only for that exhaust system but also for the Stage II, Stage III, and Stage IV kits.  This time the new listing at least makes it appear that whatever the Stage I is, it will be a factory installed option and not just a dealer installed kit.  It's surprising to me since in the past they always tied the  performance stuff to the dealers.  I assume a lot of dealers will be upset if Harley starts doing the upgrades at the factory level,; they've made fortunes over the years selling and installing all that stuff.

Jerry