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Re: Old (Classic) SERG Winter Upgrades
« Reply #75 on: December 28, 2008, 10:49:22 AM »

Was going to give you a call this weekend but your post here beat me to it.  We'd talked before about the gearing in these bikes screaming for a six speed.  Well my good man, we were right.  Such a few RPM made an incredible difference in the saddle on the highway.  Nice nice change.  Whenever you get that gear set installed the bike will say "thank you sir may I have another upgrade?"

This is a conversation that I have had with many pre 02 bike owners. Our 00-01 bikes were/are geared real low. They pull off of the line very well but suffer on the highway. I installed a DD6 several years ago and I stand by the phrase, "Money well spent". That few hundred RPM drop is well worth it when traveling at 75MPH plus. Next up for me is the gear drive cams as my motor is unmolested thus far. Your choice of cam was on par with what I had in mind for mine.  :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Old (Classic) SERG Winter Upgrades
« Reply #76 on: December 28, 2008, 12:31:24 PM »

This is a conversation that I have had with many pre 02 bike owners. Our 00-01 bikes were/are geared real low. They pull off of the line very well but suffer on the highway. I installed a DD6 several years ago and I stand by the phrase, "Money well spent". That few hundred RPM drop is well worth it when traveling at 75MPH plus. Next up for me is the gear drive cams as my motor is unmolested thus far. Your choice of cam was on par with what I had in mind for mine.  :2vrolijk_21:

Couldn't agree more on the six speed.  For the later bikes it's less important.  I had no desire to do it to the 05 until the engine work was done and the torque curve was brought in so much earlier.  Then it was fun addition that actually had some function as well.

The 00 SERG thought begged for it from the first time I rode the bike.  Good down low from a start.  So no desire to change sprockets.  Just needed the overdrive gear for the road.  So far it's just what I hoped and expected it would be.  It'll be a more pleasant ride for the longer days and it just "feels" more in its happy place. 

It's also going to match up very nicely for having highway crusing RPMs be within the torque curve for passing a vehicle when need be.  I thought this cam/tranny/gear combination would fall in place that way.  The numbers suggested it should.  But it's always good to feel confirmation on the road.
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Re: Old (Classic) SERG Winter Upgrades
« Reply #77 on: December 29, 2008, 08:35:52 PM »

Come on Don, Tell us what your numbers are???????   :orange: :mango: :bananarock: :apple: :carrot: :jalapeno:

You did get the "Old Classic" Tuned today..

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Re: Old (Classic) SERG Winter Upgrades
« Reply #78 on: December 29, 2008, 09:17:32 PM »

Come on Don, Tell us what your numbers are???????   :orange: :mango: :bananarock: :apple: :carrot: :jalapeno:

You did get the "Old Classic" Tuned today..

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Just got home.  It was a beautiful day today.  Sweatshirt weather on the bike until almost dusk.  So I had to take the long way from the dyno shop.

The numbers aren't huge.  But the motor wasn't touched up to be a huge motor.  Torque is in strong and early though.  That is what it was touched up for. 

It responds to the throttle quickly and has good torque from 2500 completely through and beyond the pass-a-truck and cruising RPM range.  I could care less about top numbers but some will want to know.  So top numbers were 99.6 and 99.6.  More importantly the curve layed out beautifully.  Almost flat.  One of the flattest torque curves a guy could hope for. 

It feels very comfortable and is smooth going down the road.  Not bad at all for a little 95" motor with just a pair of little 510 cams.


         2500   3000    3500    4000   4500   5000    5500   6000
TQ       93      96       99        96      96      96       95      90
HP       49      56       63         72      82      92      99      96

                         Original stock first run for comparison
TQ       72      79      80         84      86       85      80      75
HP       38       42      49        60      68       76      82       81

In its prior trim the engine really caught its breath and started pulling its best about 3200.  You could feel it take a breath and jump there.  Now it's more torque at 2500 than it ever had stock; and it stays there.  The bike simly never stops pulling.  That's fun.  Acceleration rate really does not diminish nor does it ever jump away from you.  Simply solid from just below cruise RPM all the way to the top end. 

Overall I'm very pleased with the reaction by the seat dyno.  The bike feels great on the street or the highway.  It's competent and comfortable in traffic and scoots around vehicles being passed on the two lanes without downshifting whether you're starting the pass at 65 or 85.  It has become, to put it basically, a simple to ride very predictable engine with completely adequate highway pull from one gear below cruise all the way to the redline.

The combination was a simple one.  Pair of little Mackie 510 cams, pair of stock late model heads off a 96" motor and a throttle body taken from 38 to 42mm by BC Gerolamy.  I told Mackie I wanted a combination that came in early and pulled hard for awhile.  Didn't care about anything else.  That's exactly what I got.  John Golden dialed it in beautifully.  Worked with it for the best part of two hours before saying "we're there."  It's now a very happy bike.  Oh, and as usual for John the AFR line is even flatter than that torque curve described above.
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Re: Old (Classic) SERG Winter Upgrades
« Reply #79 on: December 29, 2008, 09:23:30 PM »

Good deal, Twolane!  Glad it came out as you hoped - I never had a doubt that it would...   :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Old (Classic) SERG Winter Upgrades
« Reply #80 on: December 29, 2008, 09:24:56 PM »

Don glad it worked out... looks like the SERG had the dyno drum singing today. ;D

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Re: Old (Classic) SERG Winter Upgrades
« Reply #81 on: December 29, 2008, 09:28:24 PM »

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Re: Old (Classic) SERG Winter Upgrades
« Reply #82 on: December 29, 2008, 09:31:45 PM »

I remember reading somewhere that this was going to be a pure stock bike, hmmm...

Don,  I hate stock bikes anyway so congrats on the mods as well as the play by play you are so famous for!
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Re: Old (Classic) SERG Winter Upgrades
« Reply #83 on: December 29, 2008, 09:33:12 PM »

I remember reading somewhere that this was going to be a pure stock bike, hmmm...

Don,  I hate stock bikes anyway so congrats on the mods as well as the play by play you are so famous for!


Pete, by my standards this bike is stock....  :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:
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Re: Old (Classic) SERG Winter Upgrades
« Reply #84 on: December 29, 2008, 09:38:21 PM »


Pete, by my standards this bike is stock....  :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:

Good answer! :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Old (Classic) SERG Winter Upgrades
« Reply #85 on: December 29, 2008, 09:39:23 PM »

Good deal, Twolane!  Glad it came out as you hoped - I never had a doubt that it would...   :2vrolijk_21:

Don glad it worked out... looks like the SERG had the dyno drum singing today. ;D

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Cool beans Don!



Thanks guys.  Very much appreciated.  I am quite content with how it finished out.  Could've done a couple things differently for "bigger" numbers but only at the expense of the early numbers.  Only other option was to jack everything up more than I really cared to on this one.  And I just didn't want to mess with it. 

Love the early and continuous torque curve.  Makes the new six speed even more useful.  Chip, it's a far better highway bike than it was to begin with.  All you need it to be for road and highway use in just about any gear/RPM combination you're going to be in on those roads or highways.

So....... now this one is done too :bananarock: .

That didn't take nearly as long as the other bike :-\ .
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Re: Old (Classic) SERG Winter Upgrades
« Reply #86 on: December 29, 2008, 09:40:53 PM »

Good answer! :2vrolijk_21:


The "stock" did always have the caveat of losing the tensioners and stock early TC cam bearings.  So I didn't cheat toooooo much :drink: .
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Re: Old (Classic) SERG Winter Upgrades
« Reply #87 on: December 29, 2008, 09:41:28 PM »

Thanks guys.  Very much appreciated.  I am quite content with how it finished out.  Could've done a couple things differently for "bigger" numbers but only at the expense of the early numbers.  Only other option was to jack everything up more than I really cared to on this one.  And I just didn't want to mess with it. 

Love the early and continuous torque curve.  Makes the new six speed even more useful.  Chip, it's a far better highway bike than it was to begin with.  All you need it to be for road and highway use in just about any gear/RPM combination you're going to be in on those roads or highways.

So....... now this one is done too :bananarock: .

That didn't take nearly as long as the other bike :-\ .

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Re: Old (Classic) SERG Winter Upgrades
« Reply #88 on: December 29, 2008, 09:46:39 PM »

I can only hope for those kind numbers, It sounds like you got just what you wanted, hope the old classic takes you many miles.

I just put Dave Mackie 510's in my old classic, now in a week or so off the Goldens we go.

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Re: Old (Classic) SERG Winter Upgrades
« Reply #89 on: December 29, 2008, 09:47:31 PM »


The "stock" did always have the caveat of losing the tensioners and stock early TC cam bearings.  So I didn't cheat toooooo much :drink: .

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