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Title: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: grc on March 30, 2006, 08:44:16 PM
The Screamin' Eagle air cleaner kits currently available DO NOT come with the superior K&N oiled air filter element.  The non-oiled paper elements that H-D currently uses are not very durable, and in fact some of the rubber gaskets have shown major deterioration in 5000 miles.  You can do as I did, which is to throw the paper element in the weeds and buy the real K&N filter element (or the similar element from Zippers or Arlen Ness).  Unfortunately, this involves additional expense on top of the rather excessive price for the original SE kit.  There is another way for those who haven't purchased the kit yet.  Purchase the K&N filter (K&N part number HD-0800, internet or direct, approximately $45 to $50), then buy the chrome back plate ($40) and the studs/screws/etc. individually from your dealer.  The following H-D part numbers, combined with the K&N filter element, equals a kit like the old SE air cleaner, without the added expense of the throwaway paper element, and with a better looking chrome back plate:

Back Plate, Chrome             29510-05
Gasket                              29583-01A
Breather Tube - rubber (2)  29557-05
"O" ring (2)                        11292
Stud, mounting (3)              29447-99A
Screw, button head (3)        3938

You reuse the original breather hollow bolts, but if you need new ones for some reason the part number is 29465-99.

Jerry
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4/9/06  Updated gasket part number to 29583-01A

10/20/06  Something I should have included originally, torque specs and exploded drawing. 
When installing backing plate, loose assemble 2 breather bolts and then the 3 mounting studs, then tighten breather bolts, then mounting studs.  This will aid in aligning the throttle body and prevent crossthreading.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: magicl1 on March 30, 2006, 10:40:08 PM
Good info.  Better way to go and you get the chrome too.
I can't tell you how long it's been since I "rolled my own".  I may purchase this stuff just for the "experience"...again.  
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: CVOJOE on March 31, 2006, 12:53:19 PM
I may have missed a thread here, but won't the Arlen Ness Big Sucker set up work ? They use the K&N element and have the chrome backing plate with the new breather arrangement. On sale now at Eastern Performance for $99.
http://www.easternperformance.com/
Arlen Ness Big Sucker Stage I For Softail 1993+, FLT 2002+CHROME $99.95  
FREE SHIPPING TO THE LOWER 48 STATES.
Kits now available with chrome backing plates. The best and simplest performance air cleaner kits for your Big Twin...Period! Our all-in-one backing plate features a built-in carb support, built-in breather tunnels at each head to decrease crankcase pressure. Each tunnel exits at the mouth of the carburetor to create a virtually closed loop system. Breather features O-ring banjo bolt seals and a radiused intake manifold, no oil hoses, no oil fittings, no leaking and no baloney! Stage I Kit features a Team Ness High-Flow filter that accepts all 1993-up oval or round OEM outer covers. All kits include a
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: FR8TRN on March 31, 2006, 01:00:06 PM
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I may have missed a thread here, but won't the Arlen Ness Big Sucker set up work ?


Not on the '06 models...... :(
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Fired00d on March 31, 2006, 03:30:46 PM
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.....I can't tell you how long it's been since I "rolled my own".
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: magicl1 on March 31, 2006, 11:43:42 PM
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Damn, that bring back memories, [highlight]oh chit I think it does[/highlight], I have a problem w/my short term memory. ;)

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Hey, wasn't short term memory loss part of the side affects? [smiley=beatnik.gif]
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Fired00d on April 01, 2006, 09:26:58 AM
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Hey, wasn't short term memory loss part of the side affects? [smiley=beatnik.gif]
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Big Al on April 09, 2006, 05:08:01 PM
Jerry

I just went to Zanotti's to order the individual items but the Gasket (29583-01) comes back "Item not found"

Can you verify the number for me?

I may need to go to the local dealer to get it....Zanotti's generally really good but this time no go..

Thanks

Al
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: grc on April 09, 2006, 09:20:27 PM
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Jerry

I just went to Zanotti's to order the individual items but the Gasket (29583-01) comes back "Item not found"

Can you verify the number for me?

I may need to go to the local dealer to get it....Zanotti's generally really good but this time no go..

Thanks

Al
Al,

That's the correct number for the part that comes with the regular SE kit.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Big Al on April 10, 2006, 10:01:30 AM
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PS - I tried it on the Surdyke site, and it also showed no longer available.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: UltraPolecat on April 14, 2006, 09:55:29 AM
Safe to assume that the stock cover still works?

Forgive my ignorance, I just picked up my bike a month ago and it is my first bike without a carb.  I have been down the rejet road and now am at a loss as to know how to proceed.  

The 103 has enough power for now, and I am not terribly interested in a thunder-boomer but may want to "improve things" just a bit.  With the sensors in the exhaust, remapping and such its not just changing the filter and pipes.  The ones that came with the bike seem pretty restrictive.

Anybody offer some thoughts?

Thanks in advance.  



Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Big Al on April 14, 2006, 12:59:37 PM
Welcome.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: HUBBARD on April 14, 2006, 01:17:17 PM
Yeah, 'er 'uh, Polecat,
  Welcome to the Site!  Did you purchase your SEUC from Tilley's?  Later--HUBBARD  
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Fired00d on April 14, 2006, 01:43:28 PM
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Welcome......What I decided to do is D&D Fatcat pipes (with Ghost pipe), ThunderMax ECM from Zippers, and SE AC upgrade from the Parts list in THIS thread.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Big Al on April 14, 2006, 03:11:03 PM
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.....I noticed you'd mentioned you were getting the Thundermax ECM, you may want to get the Zippers filter element also (BTW members here also get a discount on that filter element). It would be my guess they would already have a map for that element and pipes you are adding. I'm not trying to sway you one way or the other, but past experience has led me to believe that if at all possible match up as many parts as you can.

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Fired00d

Thanks for the reminder and filling in what I missed....I actually DID order the Zippers K&N standard size filter at the same time as I ordered the ThunderMax.  Also as you mentioned, I asked for the map installed for Standard Baffle FatCats...SJ Dude also gave me a local contact from this board (hd-dude is his handle) where I can get quality work at reasonable pricing for my install...
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Fired00d on April 14, 2006, 03:20:07 PM
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Fired00d

Thanks for the reminder and filling in what I missed....I actually DID order the Zippers K&N standard size filter at the same time as I ordered the ThunderMax.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: hd-dude on April 14, 2006, 03:37:14 PM
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Fired00d

Thanks for the reminder and filling in what I missed....I actually DID order the Zippers K&N standard size filter at the same time as I ordered the ThunderMax.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: hd-dude on April 14, 2006, 03:41:48 PM
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You can't go wrong with him (hd-dude) doing work on your scooter. While you there I bet you get some lights also. :D

BTW - hd-dude doesn't know it yet, but when I hit the lottery I'm going to buy a big a$$ rig that he/we can tour all the major events and he can do his magic (service/lights/etc) and then at night we can go out and have fun. Ok, that's my dream, and I can make it as big as I want.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Big Al on April 14, 2006, 03:52:33 PM
Fired00d

You also a Bay Area guy?

hd-dude

Got PM, will be calling to schedule once all the chit shows up...
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Fired00d on April 14, 2006, 08:52:10 PM
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Hey Dood;
Hurry up and hit the lotto already, I can't wait :D
I'm working on it. I know it's a shot in the dark (big shot at that), but can't resist spending a dollar with the possibility of $220 Million return.

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Fired00d

You also a Bay Area guy?...
I wish I was I'd be all lit up and have lot's more bling. [smiley=nervous.gif] To top all that off I'd probably end up paying him for hanging out every weekend learning how to work on my scooter. Oh chit, then I'd be buying more tools and other stuff. Wow, maybe it's a good thing I'm all the way on the other coast. :D

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Fired00d
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Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: UltraPolecat on April 18, 2006, 05:44:04 AM
Thanks for the welcome guys.  After only a couple of months after graduation to a big bike, I have a lot to learn.  First to do is learn how to search this site. Great info.

HUBBARD,
Do all my trading at Tilleys, but their allocation of SE's were sold out (way too many NASCAR boys around here).  Had to go to HD of Charlotte.  They actually had three to choose from and a couple more still to come in.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Eqcons on June 09, 2006, 07:21:56 AM
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Purchase the K&N filter (K&N part number HD-0800

I did this, bought all the "Roll your own" items listed which was a nice cheap way to go!  :)

Couple of silly questions though:

1) My K&N doesn't look like the one in the pic below (with thanks to Steve G for the post of the original pic) at all!  Instead of having parallel sides, it's more conical in shape i.e. the outside diameter is smaller than the inside, but it seems it fit the backplate fine - am I using the correct filter????

2) It came with a self-adhesive rubber ring, which I stuck on the outside circumference of the filter, thinking that would be the best thing to do, avoiding metal on metal (i.e. the ham can against the filter) contact. Correct?

3) The bolt that fixes the cover to the filter - the big one in the centre - was VERY tight to go in - I double checked that I had it on the right thread twice, and the threads looked like about the same pitch, but again this had me wondering if I'm using the right filter element! Is it usually very tight like this????? I had visions of it winding a nice spiral of metal into the inside, but I wasn't going to take it off again to check!   :o

4) Silliest question of all - nowhere, not even in the supplementary workshop manual, does it say which way round the cover (FLHTCUSE) goes.  And it never occurred to me that it wasn't symmetrical!  I assume the shallow end goes to the back/deep end goes to the front, but can someone just confirm that?

Sorry for the silly questions guys! :-[

Jim
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: grc on June 09, 2006, 08:03:14 AM
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I did this, bought all the "Roll your own" items listed which was a nice cheap way to go!
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Eqcons on June 09, 2006, 08:40:38 AM
Thanks Jerry - I'm reassured! :)

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I clean off the old loctite and use just a couple drops of the blue loctite when I reinstall.

Yes, I do that (and did that!) too - but it really was tight!

Jim
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Midnight Rider on June 09, 2006, 12:37:04 PM
Yes, you have the correct filter, and yes, it's hard to get the bolt started.  I think you are good to go!  This "roll your own" advice is the only way to do it now that they've quit including the K&N with the SE AC package.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: FR8TRN on June 09, 2006, 02:04:56 PM
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Thanks Jerry - I'm reassured! :)


Yes, I do that (and did that!) too - but it really was tight!

Jim

Try ordering up 29591-99 and adding it to the top of the filter......this'll move the cover away a bit more and allow you to "tighten" up the bolt instead of bottom it out......the cover will start moving after a while....mine did......but only with the K&N Filter, never moved with the SE Air Filter with the original kit.......that gasket you put on the filter isn't thick enough for our chrome cover.....this is just a thicker gasket that HD sells.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Midnight Rider on June 09, 2006, 02:45:10 PM
Good thinking FR8...I actually had that gasket put on mine when the dealer did the install, and it makes things fit better.  
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Eqcons on June 09, 2006, 06:27:38 PM
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Try ordering up 29591-99 and adding it to the top of the filter......this'll move the cover away a bit more and allow you to "tighten" up the bolt instead of bottom it out......the cover will start moving after a while....mine did......but only with the K&N Filter, never moved with the SE Air Filter with the original kit.......that gasket you put on the filter isn't thick enough for our chrome cover.....this is just a thicker gasket that HD sells.

Ah, good idea - thanks FR8!

Jim
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: UltraPolecat on June 29, 2006, 05:54:12 AM
OK Guys,

You all just spent more of my money.

Got all the parts for the "Roll your own" Air cleaner

Got in the SE Pro Performance Slip Ons & Caps

Question:
If I put these on at the house will the bike run well enough to go to the dealer ?

Normal riding for a while if the Tilley boys are backed up?

Or should I just take all the chit in a box and say "Here, fix this?" :-/

I am still a total Newbie to this EFI stuff.  Would have been rejetted and down the road by now in the old days.

As always, appreciate the feedback from youse guys! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Eqcons on June 29, 2006, 06:06:07 AM
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OK Guys,

You all just spent more of my money.

Got all the parts for the "Roll your own" Air cleaner

Got in the SE Pro Performance Slip Ons & Caps

Question:
If I put these on at the house will the bike run well enough to go to the dealer ?

Normal riding for a while if the Tilley boys are backed up?

Or should I just take all the chit in a box and say "Here, fix this?" :-/

I am still a total Newbie to this EFI stuff.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: UltraPolecat on June 29, 2006, 06:18:18 AM
Thanks Jim,

Apprecuiate the quick response.  I really like to do a lot of the work myself, but didn't want to do it in the dealer's parking lot! [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]

I hope this setup cools this beast down a bit without making it too loud.   [smiley=nixweiss.gif].

Getting really used to having some jams on the road. [smiley=banana.gif]
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Eqcons on June 29, 2006, 06:34:50 AM
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Thanks Jim,

Apprecuiate the quick response.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Midnight Rider on June 29, 2006, 10:26:50 AM
I think you'll be happy with both the performance and the sound...the download should only take a few minutes, so no biggie, but I wouldn't run it any long distance before getting it done, as it will be pretty lean.  You're gonna' love the sound, IMO.   [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: ultrafxr on June 29, 2006, 10:51:36 AM
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You're gonna' love the sound, IMO.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: UltraPolecat on June 29, 2006, 05:26:01 PM
I started out like FR8TRN,

I don't need no damn pipes.  Just peace and quiet.  That lasted 3 months.  The toasty legs helped hasten me along, but Goldwing sound just ain't right either.

Guess we are all destined to follow the same path.... [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: UltraPolecat on July 02, 2006, 08:19:45 AM
I installed the SE Pro mufflers and the "roll your own" AC and took a trip to Tilleys for the download.  WHAT A WAKEUP!

I was in and out in 20 minutes and NOW I have more response on the throttle and the sound is great.  It is a bit louder but I think the sound that it released is worth it.

Thanks for all your input!  Under $500 and its like getting an all new ride!
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Midnight Rider on July 04, 2006, 10:08:23 PM
Ultra...Glad to hear you are happy with the setup...I never rode mine "stock", so had nothing to compare it to, but I'm happy with the way it's running.  Just got back from a trip of over 1100 miles, through the mountains, etc., and couldn't be happier with both the sound and the fuel ecomomy....40MPG two up, and some of it loaded with gear for two.  It sounded just right going through the mountains...at least to my ears.

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Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: UltraPolecat on July 05, 2006, 06:09:12 AM
Hey TCnBham,

Haven't been to the mountains yet but the "tunnel sound" is fantastic!  I sure appreciate your recommendation. When my riding buddy gets back in town he's gonna be surprised.  He said I should have bought a Goldwing because I am too quiet and too slow.

Now I have to work on the slow part! (no, it ain't the 103's fault) [smiley=vrolijk27.gif]
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Midnight Rider on July 05, 2006, 10:25:29 AM
Ultra...yeah, went through a few tunnels this weekend myself  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif].  There were a lot of bikes in the mountains this past weekend.  I just can't do the Goldwing thing...they are great bikes, no doubt about that, but you really cannot hear the motor running on the things.  

What has surprised me most about the SEUC is the ease with which it handles...I did a lot of curves on the mountain roads this past weekend...this bike will go where you put it, and will hold a line through a curve.  For an 800+ lb scoot, it has surprised me.  

Letting the motor "breathe" with the A/C and Pipes, just makes the riding experience that much more enjoyable, particularly when you can just give her some more throttle halfway through an uphill curve, without having to downshift, and she just keeps on pullin'.  Love that feeling!!! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]  I did a lot of riding in fourth gear this past weekend....seems to be the ideal gear for the mountains.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: magicl1 on July 06, 2006, 10:17:21 AM
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Try ordering up 29591-99 and adding it to the top of the filter......this'll move the cover away a bit more and allow you to "tighten" up the bolt instead of bottom it out......the cover will start moving after a while....mine did......but only with the K&N Filter, never moved with the SE Air Filter with the original kit.......that gasket you put on the filter isn't thick enough for our chrome cover.....this is just a thicker gasket that HD sells.

While I did not do the roll your own, I did make use of this gasket on the SE Air Kit.  Before placing the additional gasket on the filter, I tightened everything up and I could feel that there was a "gap" and the cover "wobbled" on the surface of the filter.  (Guess that is why HD says SE Air will not fit with a CUSE Air Cleaner COVER.
I could not see what the amount of gap there was or where it was so, before adding the additional gasket, I placed a few pieces of modeling clay on the top edge of the filter and replaced the cover (warning label on top helps to keep the proper orientatation as it is easy to reverse the cover).  This provided me with the depth of the gap between the filter and the cover.  What I found was, there is contact with the cover and top of the SE Filter on the back half of the filter (additional gasket material is not needed here).  The gap starts midway (top and bottom half of filter) and increases to the maximum gap on the front side of the filter.  This "Maximum" was equal to the thickness of the new gasket.

Consequently, I cut the gasket in half and then carefully cut a tapered slope (with a sharp exacto) from 1/8" on the top and bottom portion of the gasket to the full thickness on the front side (leading edge) of the gasket.  I added a 1/8" thick brass washer to the bolt between the cover and filter as it appeared there was additional pressure on the cover from the bolt when tightening everything down with the gasket in place.

Final result:  The cover did not "wobble" on the filter and no excessive pressure from the bolt on the surface of the cover.  It had equal contact on the top surface of the filter and the cover appeared to me to be much more secure than if I had not used the filter material.  (and I still have the other half of the gasket if I need to replace my "contured version")
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: jfscheck on July 18, 2006, 03:38:58 PM
Did this only used the Zippers air cleaner vice the others - luv it (even went with the chrome back plate) and it's working great!!
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Fired00d on August 27, 2006, 02:44:54 PM
Bumping this back up for those '07 owners that may be interested in a "roll your own" air filter upgrade.

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Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: magicl1 on August 28, 2006, 01:28:25 PM
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Bumping this back up for those '07 owners that may be interested in a "roll your own" air filter upgrade.

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Did they change the AC cover on the 07?  Maybe someone back a MOCO figured out that if it is a Scream'n Eagle then maybe they should make it so one can install the SE Air...  Maybe it was Ford that had the better idea slogan...
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 28, 2006, 02:18:28 PM
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Bumping this back up for those '07 owners that may be interested in a "roll your own" air filter upgrade.

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Did they change the AC cover on the 07?
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: sponserv on August 29, 2006, 04:07:07 PM
Why won't the Big Sucka work on an 06?
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: grc on August 30, 2006, 07:48:06 AM
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Why won't the Big Sucka work on an 06?
sponserv,

Ness redesigned the backplate and the new version will fit the '06 throttle body.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Flying Ace on September 20, 2006, 08:20:55 PM
Rolled my own yesterday.  Parts guy say a lot of people are doing it.

Great info!  Thanks!! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Midnight Rider on October 20, 2006, 10:20:32 AM
Bump for new bikes....
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: fatboyse2 on October 20, 2006, 10:24:15 PM
I just bought the new Screamin Eagle aircleaner.  It comes with a cone pre-oiled K&N filter.  I'm planning on installing it this weekend and will let you know the difference.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: fatboyse2 on October 20, 2006, 10:24:54 PM
New SE Airfilter
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Fired00d on October 21, 2006, 12:14:33 PM
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New SE Airfilter
This looks really nice, but unfortunately for us baggers we will have a problem with using it....

29592-05 Fits
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: magicl1 on October 21, 2006, 04:21:24 PM
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This looks really nice, but unfortunately for us baggers we will have a problem with using it....


Not sure if I would want to [highlight]give up my lowers[/highlight]. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

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Fired00d
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Heck, I don't want to give up either my [highlight]uppers[/highlight] or [highlight]lowers[/highlight]!  I go to the dentist regularly!   ;)

Does look nice but I agree with keeping the lowers.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: fatboyse2 on October 21, 2006, 05:50:24 PM
Here it is installed.  
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: skreminegul07 on October 25, 2006, 08:59:06 AM
Yesterday I installed the K&N filter HD-0800, on my 2007 SERK.  The SERK has a round cover.  What a poor thought out design.  The cover has a large spacer welded to the incide to avoid the rear of the cover hitting the two breather housings.  This is why several magazine reviews about the SERK have noted that the air cleaner interferes with your leg.
As already noted, HD put a thick rubber gasket about 1/2" on the top of the filter to make up the gap created by the added metal spacer.  If you restick this to the top of the K&N, it works fine.  You really do not need a gasket per se on the top (outboard) of the filter because no air can get into the filter on the top.  All you need is a spacer in two or three places to help support the cover.

Did anyone foind away around this extended mess?   :-/
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Tros on March 02, 2007, 11:45:38 PM
The "football" AC looks out of place on my Springer Classic.

I want to do this with the black backplate PN 29586-06.  Looks to be the same only black.  That said does anyone know if PN 29138-91 (page 616 of the 2007 P/A book) Nostalgic "Bar & Shield" (round) cover will work with the K&N filter? The cover calls for gasket PN 29591-99 when used with SE High Flow Air Cleaners.

Without a pipe change would this be too lean for the standard 2007 96" TCB engine?  The "packaged" SE AC kit calls for a recalibration.  I see the torque values above now.

Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: WaSEEG on March 04, 2007, 02:35:15 PM
The "football" AC looks out of place on my Springer Classic.

I want to do this with the black backplate PN 29586-06.  Looks to be the same only black.  That said does anyone know if PN 29138-91 (page 616 of the 2007 P/A book) Nostalgic "Bar & Shield" (round) cover will work with the K&N filter? The cover calls for gasket PN 29591-99 when used with SE High Flow Air Cleaners.



 

Yes, I've attached a not very good photo of the Nostalgic Air Cleaner cover on my wifes FLHX.

Dan
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: WaSEEG on March 04, 2007, 02:38:11 PM
And another!

Dan
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Tros on March 24, 2007, 09:43:55 AM
And another!

Dan

Thank you, looks good.  :2vrolijk_21:  My Nostalgic round cover came in yesterday, now to round up the rest of the parts. 
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: bpalmersheim on August 24, 2007, 08:09:15 PM
Good news for us SERK owners.  I checked the SERK parts book and we already have the 29510-05 backplate assembly, so it looks as if we just replace the filter element with the K&N HD-0800 filter we have an awesome AC!
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: CopperCanynro on August 24, 2007, 09:16:34 PM
You're workin' overtime tonight!!  That's really good news!! :crown:
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: bpalmersheim on August 26, 2007, 04:18:10 PM
Good news for us SERK owners.  I checked the SERK parts book and we already have the 29510-05 backplate assembly, so it looks as if we just replace the filter element with the K&N HD-0800 filter we have an awesome AC!

Well today I disassembled my A/C assembly to install the EFI Intake Manifold Cover (27483-07A) and when I flipped over the backplate I seen the following part number stamped into my existing backplate 29478-05, which is not the same as the SERK parts manuals states.  The manual states that the 29510-05 is stock on the bike... WTF???

The dealership is closed for the day and I will pick up the 29510-05 assembly for the Roll your own project tomorrow. 

My question is, when I install the new backplate and fresh o-rings will I have just created a "lean" condition for the bike if I use all the stock compenents (filter, etc...) just by changing out the backplate?

I wonder if the backplate on my bike isn't a Screamin' EagleĀ® Air Cleaner Backplate, but maybe an old on where the part was superceded.  I guess I won't know until I compare them side by side...

I do not plan on upgrading the filter element to the K&N HD-0800 until the Rineharts and SERT have been installed and the bike is ready for the dyno.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Deuce Bigelow on August 26, 2007, 05:29:19 PM

Not on the '06 models...... :(

can you be more specific?

my friend installed a big sucker on his '06 Dyna......... so it WILL fit an '06, I guess it just depends on what '06......lol :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: grc on August 26, 2007, 08:16:48 PM
can you be more specific?

my friend installed a big sucker on his '06 Dyna......... so it WILL fit an '06, I guess it just depends on what '06......lol :2vrolijk_21:
Deuce,

Back when the referenced post was made in March of '06, Ness hadn't come out with a backplate to fit the '06 and later throttle bodies.  There was a change on the '06 TB that wouldn't allow the original Ness backplate to seat properly, but Ness came out with a new plate to correct that later in '06. 

Jerry
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Deuce Bigelow on August 26, 2007, 09:28:57 PM
Deuce,

Back when the referenced post was made in March of '06, Ness hadn't come out with a backplate to fit the '06 and later throttle bodies.  There was a change on the '06 TB that wouldn't allow the original Ness backplate to seat properly, but Ness came out with a new plate to correct that later in '06. 

Jerry


 :oops:
you know.... I never looked at the date that post was made! ::)
makes total sense now, because my friend bought his dyna in October '06 and added the big sucker about a month later.....oh well, it's been a long sweaty weekend! :D
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Eqcons on April 28, 2009, 11:10:37 AM
Time to resurrect this topic again.  ;)

Having saved a bunch in doing the RYO filter for the CUSE2 back in the day, I'm needing to think about a replacement filter for the 09 CUSE4.

So, has anyone done an RYO job for an 09?

Can it be done in the same way, even?

Or is it just as cheap to buy a non-MoCo kit like the Ness Big Sucker Stage 1?

Finally - the nice 27483-07A manifold cover.  P&A book says it fits to '07, but has anyone fitted one to an 09?

Jim
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Unbalanced on April 28, 2009, 11:17:21 AM
Eqcons,

I bought the Roadglide style out of the latest catalog addendum and my reasoning was for look, but also to bring my knee in a bit on the air cleaner side.   I was quite pleased with the results.   K&N is also makinga  4 bolt air cleaner that you can buy for this roll your own.   A local shop here has them on the shelf as well as the 3 bolt for the older style.

Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Eqcons on April 28, 2009, 11:28:54 AM
Eqcons,

I bought the Roadglide style out of the latest catalog addendum and my reasoning was for look, but also to bring my knee in a bit on the air cleaner side.   I was quite pleased with the results.   K&N is also makinga  4 bolt air cleaner that you can buy for this roll your own.   A local shop here has them on the shelf as well as the 3 bolt for the older style.



Yes, saw that, UnB.  Problem there is, though it looks veree nice, you need to worry about that rain sock.  And here, it rains. A lot.

Ideally, I'd like the round K&N style filter, and the 07 FLHRSE3 Cover, but I don't know if it (the cover) will fit an 09.  Again, to give my leg some more room, as well as looking great.

So, I guess I'm still wondering - is an RYO possible for an 09, or should I just go for a Big Sucker or similar....?

Jim
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Unbalanced on April 28, 2009, 11:50:46 AM
I do not see why it wouldnt work the only change I noticed was the 4 bolt holes in the filter.  From sizing it by hand they seemed to match up with the old 3 hole air filters   That said I don't see why the stock cover wouldn't work.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Eqcons on April 28, 2009, 12:41:28 PM
I do not see why it wouldnt work the only change I noticed was the 4 bolt holes in the filter.  From sizing it by hand they seemed to match up with the old 3 hole air filters   That said I don't see why the stock cover wouldn't work.

I'm hoping the stock cover will, as that's the cheapest route!  :D
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: deddy on May 04, 2009, 10:10:24 AM
I have followed all the responses and have one question.  I have an 06 SE Ultra.  What air filter allows me to continue to use my stock cover while enhancing the breathing capabilities?  I had hoped to use an Arlen Ness Stage 1 but read that this won't work.  Any suggestions would be appreciated!
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Eqcons on May 04, 2009, 01:11:25 PM
I have followed all the responses and have one question.  I have an 06 SE Ultra.  What air filter allows me to continue to use my stock cover while enhancing the breathing capabilities?  I had hoped to use an Arlen Ness Stage 1 but read that this won't work.  Any suggestions would be appreciated!

The ordinary SE one, or even better, the RYO one described in this thread will work just fine!  (I'm not familiar with teh Arlen Ness ones, so I've no idea there....)

Jim
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: hawgwildee on July 03, 2009, 09:47:38 PM
Hi,I'm new to this site.Could anybody tell me the part # for the Arlen Ness Big Sucker kit to fit 2006 FLHTCUCSE?
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Fired00d on July 03, 2009, 10:01:12 PM
Hi,I'm new to this site.Could anybody tell me the part # for the Arlen Ness Big Sucker kit to fit 2006 FLHTCUCSE?
From the Arlen Ness website...

Stage 1 Big Sucker w/o Chrome Backing Plate (http://www.arlenness.com/p-635-stage-i.aspx)

Stage 1 Big Sucker w/Chrome Backing Plate (http://www.arlenness.com/p-785-stage-i-wchrome-backing-plate.aspx)

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: hawgwildee on July 03, 2009, 10:16:48 PM
I phoned Motorcycle Superstore out of Oregon and he told me that Arlen Ness didn't show anything for my model but if he had a part # he could cross reference it. I just put a Commander II, Vance and Hines headers and Rinehart mufflers on because the stock HD "y" pipe broke and now I want to get rid of that junk HD paper filter. I went to the HD shop in Portland ME and they didn't have all the Roll Your Own Parts Listed on the thread so I thought I would try the Arlen Ness route.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: hawgwildee on July 03, 2009, 10:21:01 PM
Thanks Fired00d I didn't realize that you posted a link until after I made my last post.
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Fired00d on July 03, 2009, 10:22:30 PM
Thanks Fired00d I didn't realize that you posted a link until after I made my last post.
:2vrolijk_21:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: hawgwildee on July 03, 2009, 10:39:08 PM
My brother -in- law has the same bike as yours. Orange and black 2004. Later,take care
Title: Re: "Roll Your Own" SE Air Cleaner
Post by: Eqcons on July 04, 2009, 04:35:41 AM
Time to resurrect this topic again.  ;)

Having saved a bunch in doing the RYO filter for the CUSE2 back in the day, I'm needing to think about a replacement filter for the 09 CUSE4.

So, has anyone done an RYO job for an 09?

Can it be done in the same way, even?

Or is it just as cheap to buy a non-MoCo kit like the Ness Big Sucker Stage 1?

Finally - the nice 27483-07A manifold cover.  P&A book says it fits to '07, but has anyone fitted one to an 09?

Jim


To answer my own question, I went with the Arlen Ness Big Sucker Stage 1 which is a good price and an easy install, though  the instructions at one point leave a lot to be desired, and then some!

Jim