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Lithium vs AGM Battery
« on: September 16, 2020, 10:16:33 PM »

OK guys. What's the better long  life battery for every day use? Normally I get 2.5 years of good service from AGM batteries in my 98 Road King S&S V124 and I got 3 years from the Lithium battery in my 2000
FXR4 S&S V111.  Both batteries seem to run out of steam guickly in colder weather.
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Re: Lithium vs AGM Battery
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2020, 10:40:13 PM »

Check out the new Antigravity LI battery.
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Re: Lithium vs AGM Battery
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2020, 01:31:38 PM »

X2  on the antigravity.

I installed the ATX-30-HD    And I love it.    They have seem to calm down considerable in price. Looks like you can get one for around $550.
I wish I would've gotten mine that cheap  haha.

I used to run the shore I battery and hated it.

I did it write up somewhere on the site on the Antigravity Batteries you might do a search.

Also if you do pick the antigravity, there is a little Bluetooth device that you install on the battery and it will send your phone alerts of voltage and battery condition. I love that little gizmo seems to connect from anywhere in my house to the garage.  This was also mentioned in my write up.


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Re: Lithium vs AGM Battery
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2020, 03:50:38 PM »

$550 for a battery?? How long does that one last?  ???
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Re: Lithium vs AGM Battery
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2020, 04:33:31 PM »

Like I said I wish I could've gotten it for $550. I paid somewhere between seven and eight for the battery, and then I purchased the smaller jumper pack to carry velcro in my tour pack with a cable run down to the main battery in case I ever need to jump myself.

So how long does it last? I have no idea yet, I can only say that The antigravity battery guys  Told me they know people who have had antigravity  batteries for eight years and still going.    One nice thing about the a ATX 30 HD is that it has four posts. The two in front like a normal Harley battery and then two in the back that you can use for putting on accessories. Sounds like a simple thing but it has helped me greatly as I have many accessories . 

 
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Re: Lithium vs AGM Battery
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2020, 09:33:19 PM »

OK guys. What's the better long  life battery for every day use? Normally I get 2.5 years of good service from AGM batteries in my 98 Road King S&S V124 and I got 3 years from the Lithium battery in my 2000
FXR4 S&S V111.  Both batteries seem to run out of steam guickly in colder weather.

no brainer here, imo.  if the agm battery lasted 2.5 years and the lithium only 3, then why spend the extra money for lithium for only 6 months additional?  i vote for the deka big crank or the yuasa gyz32hl (if you're talking about touring bikes).

regarding the early failure of the lithium in your fxr, did you let the battery 'warm up' in colder weather?  that's one of the downsides to the lithium battery, you have to give it a minute to wake up in the cold.
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Re: Lithium vs AGM Battery
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2020, 10:22:06 PM »

Like I said I wish I could've gotten it for $550. I paid somewhere between seven and eight for the battery, and then I purchased the smaller jumper pack to carry velcro in my tour pack with a cable run down to the main battery in case I ever need to jump myself.

So how long does it last? I have no idea yet, I can only say that The antigravity battery guys  Told me they know people who have had antigravity  batteries for eight years and still going.    One nice thing about the a ATX 30 HD is that it has four posts. The two in front like a normal Harley battery and then two in the back that you can use for putting on accessories. Sounds like a simple thing but it has helped me greatly as I have many accessories .
I have run AG batteries for years and not only do they last for years (1 bike has their old style battery for 6 years now), they crank over (including my HC S&S 124) like a honda with their starting amps!
I dont like worrying about my batteries dying as I almost always ride alone and go to BFE on most rides. I was changing my stock batteries just about every 2 years so worth in to me.
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Re: Lithium vs AGM Battery
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2020, 06:51:38 AM »

no brainer here, imo.  if the agm battery lasted 2.5 years and the lithium only 3, then why spend the extra money for lithium for only 6 months additional?  i vote for the deka big crank or the yuasa gyz32hl (if you're talking about touring bikes).

regarding the early failure of the lithium in your fxr, did you let the battery 'warm up' in colder weather?  that's one of the downsides to the lithium battery, you have to give it a minute to wake up in the cold.

x2.  I usually get about 4 years out of an agm battery.  Keep it on a tender when not riding if at home. If a lithium lasts about 6 years, it's a no brainer for me unless the lithium price point drops.  A lot..
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Re: Lithium vs AGM Battery
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2020, 12:11:36 PM »

Another vote for the Deka's and such as I have several Deltran Battery tenders that I've been told won't work on the Lithium's therefore you need to lay more cash out for a special charger. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I usually get at least 3 or 4 years out of a good battery.
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Re: Lithium vs AGM Battery
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2020, 12:45:00 PM »

Not trying to start a debate (pun intended).  But I would like to point out that lithium batteries when applied and engineered correctly are a superior technology.   Look around in your everyday life.   Everything from key fobs, laptops, cellular phones to E motorcycles and Tesla's have utilized or have transitioned to lithium.   We have all made the transition to lithium whether we wanted to or not.

Yes, there is a steep investment that goes along with the technology.   I guess the same could be said for extravagant expenses when making a decision to buy a CVO as opposed to straight stock Harley.

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Re: Lithium vs AGM Battery
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2020, 08:51:19 AM »

Boy I guess I am out of the loop on these new batteries. I have bought mine at Batteries Plus for 15 years for 3 bikes and they last 5-8 years at around $110ish and they take your old one for free. Not sure I am seeing the benefit of a $700 battery and a new charger hook-up when I can buy 5 batteries to that one and will have probably traded my bike for a new one by then...
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Re: Lithium vs AGM Battery
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2020, 10:05:13 AM »

I had to replace the battery on my bike last month, just shy of 6 years. I had considered the lithium's, but for the bike it didn't make sense. 5 pound weight savings would mean nothing.

The need for a special charger and the hot/cold concerns couldn't justify $350 for battery alone versus another Deka at $102 in two days to my door.

I do like the tech though. I have six 100 amp/hour LiFEPO4's in our RV. For that application it is easier to justify the expense.
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Re: Lithium vs AGM Battery
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2020, 04:02:11 PM »

I have a Deka store about 6 miles away, but just haven’t been getting the life out of them or the HD version that I used to.   Because of this I have started using the Renegade 600 CCA battery 119.50   On the recommendation of some buddies that run them.   There is also a 500 CCA version available for about 20.00 less.   Shipped to my door in 3 days.

https://www.renegadebattery.com/products/?filter_product-categories=23&filter_product-year=2015&filter_product-make=94521&filter_product-model=CVO+Limited+FLHTKSE
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Re: Lithium vs AGM Battery
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2020, 06:20:49 AM »

no brainer here, imo.  if the agm battery lasted 2.5 years and the lithium only 3, then why spend the extra money for lithium for only 6 months additional?  i vote for the deka big crank or the yuasa gyz32hl (if you're talking about touring bikes).

regarding the early failure of the lithium in your fxr, did you let the battery 'warm up' in colder weather?  that's one of the downsides to the lithium battery, you have to give it a minute to wake up in the cold.

My battery (OEM Harley) just failed after 6 years.  I haven't had any battery last less than that, as I keep them on a maintenance charger all the time when the bike is in the garage.  I looked at what was available, quickly ruled out LiIon and was vacillating between a LiFePO4 and another AGM.  LiFePO4 needs a new maintenance charger, costs silly money, and reports of them failing fairly quickly (especially HD's one!) abound.  I wasn't worried about the weight saving, but I do like lots of CCA, where they do score over normal AGM. However, on balance, the shorter reported lifespan, poor cold weather performance, and the huge cost, persuaded me to go AGM again, and I have gone for the Yuasa GYZ32HL, which has more CCA than the equivalent LiFePO4.
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Re: Lithium vs AGM Battery
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2021, 03:52:52 PM »

Ordered a renagade on 12/30 just arrived today.

Battery tester showed 90 cca, got it on a trickle charger.

Hopefully it will recover, will test it after its charged

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