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[Ironhorse]

Web bike world is reporting that HD is recalling ALL 2023 CVO Roadglides. It appears they are unstable over 100mph.

https://www.webbikeworld.com/recall-harley-davidsons-2023-street-glide-cvo-is-difficult-to-control-past-100mph/#google_vignette

[TN]

Web bike world is reporting that HD is recalling ALL 2023 CVO Roadglides CVO Street Glides. It appears they are unstable over 100mph.

https://www.webbikeworld.com/recall-harley-davidsons-2023-street-glide-cvo-is-difficult-to-control-past-100mph/#google_vignette

I fixed that for ya, and I'll refrain from commenting on their fix. 


    Harley-Davidson is recalling their 2023 FLHXSE (Street Glide CVO), which could be hard to control at high speeds
    Remedy will include calibrating ECM and adding a ballast and strap
    Harley-Davidson Recall #: 0185
    NHTSA’s Campaign #: 23V836000 (23V836)

[Ironhorse]

I fixed that for ya, and I'll refrain from commenting on their fix. 


    Harley-Davidson is recalling their 2023 FLHXSE (Street Glide CVO), which could be hard to control at high speeds
    Remedy will include calibrating ECM and adding a ballast and strap
    Harley-Davidson Recall #: 0185
    NHTSA’s Campaign #: 23V836000 (23V836)

Thanks for the fix. It looks like Harleys fix is to change the ECM settings to limit the bike to probably 95mph and add weight to slow it down. And people will still buy it,…lol!

[Phreakyz]

I guess we now know the production numbers for the CVO Street Glide...

"We’re told the number of affected Street Glide CVO models breaks 1,464 units, or 100% of the Street Glides in Harley-Davidson’s MY2023 fleet – all of which, we’re told, were manufactured between July 10th and October 6th of this year."

[kojak]

I bet the roadglides will be added to this recall as well.

I fixed that for ya, and I'll refrain from commenting on their fix. 


    Harley-Davidson is recalling their 2023 FLHXSE (Street Glide CVO), which could be hard to control at high speeds
    Remedy will include calibrating ECM and adding a ballast and strap
    Harley-Davidson Recall #: 0185
    NHTSA’s Campaign #: 23V836000 (23V836)

[Mr D]

Thought I’d post this….Saw this posted on FB under CVO Nation Group
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1626295217696473/permalink/3680230375636270/?mibextid=W9rl1R

[Mr D]

Earlier I posted in the SG section I saw a post on FB on CVO Nation In re: to the ‘23 CVO SG, apparently the RG has similar issues.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1626295217696473/permalink/3680290888963552/?mibextid=W9rl1R

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1626295217696473/permalink/3680230385636269/?mibextid=W9rl1R

[FLSTFI Dave]

That is a private group, you have to join to read anything on the link.  I have not heard of the road glide having the issue.  Not saying it doesn't.  Lots of differences on the front between the two bikes.

[mjb765]

That is a private group, you have to join to read anything on the link.  I have not heard of the road glide having the issue.  Not saying it doesn't.  Lots of differences on the front between the two bikes.

Just saw one on CVO Nation on FB....Road Glide doing 30MPH had the wobble and crashed.

[Cvostu]

Great. Is that both street glides and road glides??

[kojak]

Great. Is that both street glides and road glides??

Only SG so far, I would check with the selling dealer. They might have more info as to whats going on with the RG. Bikes are too similar mechanically for only the batwing to be affected.

[mjb765]

Great. Is that both street glides and road glides??

The one I posted is a RG..I saw the other and that was a SG

[FLSTFI Dave]

Sounds like the issue that happened on the Road Glide is different than the high speed front end wobble on the Street glide.

Road Glide rider is talking about the rear end.  Makes me wonder if it was something with  the enhanced cornering traction control, the enhanced cornering drag torque slip  control or any other one of the rider aids acting up?  Would be really said if it was a malfunctioning aid / sensor caused that.

[RivRaptor]

Just saw one on CVO Nation on FB....Road Glide doing 30MPH had the wobble and crashed.

Thanks don't have fb.

Low speed wobble, high speed wobble....really?  Still handling issues!  I come from sport bikes and still own some (Ducati's, BMW & Suzuki - old & newer) and have ridden them under all speed conditions....never had a handling issue.  Man I'm glad I didn't upgrade, I mean down grade (Sorry had to take that jab) I just barely sorted out my 17's handling issues with a bracket & head set adjustment.  This is sad to read.

[DCFIREMANN]

That is a private group, you have to join to read anything on the link.  I have not heard of the road glide having the issue.  Not saying it doesn't.  Lots of differences on the front between the two bikes.

It is both models. I saw one of each that went down yesterday. The Road Glide was totaled at 30 MPH. The Street Glide didn't look to bad but still a lot of damage.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[Aussie]

It is truly sad this has happened to a new model release.
MOCO has acknowledge there is an issue with the new CVO's publishing a recall. This is good they are addressing the problem to reduce hopefully eliminate the issues.
With the RG's & SG's that have been totaled due to the issues and no fault to the owners will the MOCO step up to the table and replace them with no out of pocket expense.

This would be an honorable move for the company standing by there product.

Typical example, 2023 Ford released a new model build and replaced several vehicles that had issues at no cost to the owners, this is truly a great thing to do for a customer.   

[Cvostu]

I thought these issues were at high speed... like 100mph?

[OBB]

I thought these issues were at high speed... like 100mph?

The accidents talked about on FB were not at high speed. I think MoCo is just tossing out guesses quite like they did with the sumping issues on the early M8 engines.

[OBB]

Here's the lead post to the start of that thread. This rider also stated similar conditions to the RG pix below. 35 mph zone with a passenger on the back.

Note what He said about the Milwaukee guy that came down and "fixed" it. Further into the post He talks about how the HD tech even felt the wobble in the rear end at time during the evaluation ride. This crap HD is chasing has nothing to do with the high speed issues.

[FLSTFI Dave]

It is both models. I saw one of each that went down yesterday. The Road Glide was totaled at 30 MPH. The Street Glide didn't look to bad but still a lot of damage.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Not same issue as CVO Street Glide.  Recall is for High Speed issues, 100 mph plus.   "Harley-Davidson’s 2023 Street Glide CVO is “Difficult to Control” past 100mph"

Road Glide rider is talking about the rear end.  Makes me wonder if it was something with  the enhanced cornering traction control, the enhanced cornering drag torque slip  control or any other one of the rider aids acting up?  Would be really said if it was a malfunctioning aid / sensor caused that.

[mjb765]

It is truly sad this has happened to a new model release.
MOCO has acknowledge there is an issue with the new CVO's publishing a recall. This is good they are addressing the problem to reduce hopefully eliminate the issues.
With the RG's & SG's that have been totaled due to the issues and no fault to the owners will the MOCO step up to the table and replace them with no out of pocket expense.

This would be an honorable move for the company standing by there product.

Typical example, 2023 Ford released a new model build and replaced several vehicles that had issues at no cost to the owners, this is truly a great thing to do for a customer.

That would nice of them, but I am sure the response will be "you have insurance"

[Ironhorse]

This is sad and an awful reflection on the MoCo. This is the Flag Ship top of the line model. HD is lucky there have ONLY been injuries and not deaths, as if injuries aren’t bad enough.

And still people will buy them.

But for how long?

[GregKhougaz]

This is sad and an awful reflection on the MoCo.
...
And still people will buy them.

Not everyone. 😎 🤣

[FLSTFI Dave]

More I read about this the more curious I get.  Especially with the report on the Road Glide rear end at 30 mph.  All these traction control features are not new.  They have been optional for a couple years.

What caused that rear to get loose or wobble?  How many CVO road glides has this happened to? 

[Joel]

The fix will be a liquid mercury level and 2 zip ties attached to the front of the frame that will turn off stability control as the liquid mercury ball touches the contacts at either side of the level.
Current R&D is returning positive results while using rider & passenger weight simulator bags attached on the seat.
As these kits are being delivered to the dealerships for the free recall it will be important that the rider read the sticker to be applied to the most centralized location on the fuel tank requiring both hands on the grips and avoid icy conditions.

[CVOStreetglide]

More I read about this the more curious I get.  Especially with the report on the Road Glide rear end at 30 mph.  All these traction control features are not new.  They have been optional for a couple years.

What caused that rear to get loose or wobble?  How many CVO road glides has this happened to?

I would thnk that you as an experienced rider of a new CVO and other previous year models would have detected a problem of this magnitude right away.

I am assuming you haven’t had an issue to date.

Happy Holidays

[Ironhorse]

The fix will be a liquid mercury level and 2 zip ties attached to the front of the frame that will turn off stability control as the liquid mercury ball touches the contacts at either side of the level.
Current R&D is returning positive results while using rider & passenger weight simulator bags attached on the seat.
As these kits are being delivered to the dealerships for the free recall it will be important that the rider read the sticker to be applied to the most centralized location on the fuel tank requiring both hands on the grips and avoid icy conditions.

Or,… just build the damn thing properly. Are there any other major motorcycle manufacturers with similar problems?

[FLSTFI Dave]

I would thnk that you as an experienced rider of a new CVO and other previous year models would have detected a problem of this magnitude right away.

I am assuming you haven’t had an issue to date.

Happy Holidays

No, I have not had an issue.  I just don't get what when wrong with that Road Glide and its back end wobbling at 35 mph. 

[Phreakyz]

No, I have not had an issue.  I just don't get what when wrong with that Road Glide and its back end wobbling at 35 mph.

There is of course the possibility that the Road Glide @ 30 mph incident could be attributed to something other than a defect with the bike?   Uneven Road Surfaces, Contaminants on the road surface, Spray-tar-sealant on cracks...   It might be a little early to assume this was a bike flaw and not something else?   This is the only Road Glide incident I have heard of so far.
Not saying the guy is wrong or that it is not the fault of MoCo, I just feel it is a little too early to draw a conclusion.

[DCFIREMANN]

Not same issue as CVO Street Glide.  Recall is for High Speed issues, 100 mph plus.   "Harley-Davidson’s 2023 Street Glide CVO is “Difficult to Control” past 100mph"

Road Glide rider is talking about the rear end.  Makes me wonder if it was something with  the enhanced cornering traction control, the enhanced cornering drag torque slip  control or any other one of the rider aids acting up?  Would be really said if it was a malfunctioning aid / sensor caused that.

All of the accidents that have been posted on the internet have been a LOW SPEED rear end wobble. It has also just came out it might be a Bosch Sensor that is also involved. Soooo I'm thinkin it has something to do with a rider adjustable suspension. But I don't know for sure.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[FLSTFI Dave]

All of the accidents that have been posted on the internet have been a LOW SPEED rear end wobble. It has also just came out it might be a Bosch Sensor that is also involved. Soooo I'm thinkin it has something to do with a rider adjustable suspension. But I don't know for sure.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Do you have any links?  I have not had much luck finding anything on this.  I've seen two low speed rear end wobbles reports.  I know the road glide has all been low speed.  To the best of my knowledge there are no sensors on the rear suspension.  I have adjusted compression, rebound and pre load on mine a few times trying to get it how I like it.  There are no wires that I see coming off either shock.

There would be sensors for  Cornering Enhanced Anti-lock Brake System (C-ABS), Cornering Enhanced Electronic Linked Braking (C-ELB), Cornering Enhanced Traction Control System (C-TCS), and Cornering Drag-Torque Slip Control System (C-DSCS).  These are all standard on the 2023 CVO's, and were optional on the 22 and 23 touring line.  Not sure if they were optional for 21.   Earlier in this thread I was wondering if one of these systems could be responsible.  I can see where a failed sensor or one acting improperly could cause an issue.

[Ironhorse]

I can see where a failed sensor or one acting improperly could cause an issue.

Good hypothesis, sort of like an improperly set MCAS unit on an airplane caused them to crash.

[kojak]

Remember the guy who dropped his cvo when the kickstand sensor malfunctioned?

[FLSTFI Dave]

Remember the guy who dropped his cvo when the kickstand sensor malfunctioned?

Yes I do.  Some one now makes a harness to by pass that.

[Threephase]

I stopped by my dealer today and asked about this issue. The answer I got was :

“It is nothing to worry about, they all do that”

[FLSTFI Dave]

I stopped by my dealer today and asked about this issue. The answer I got was :

“It is nothing to worry about, they all do that”

That is day one training for Harley service writers.  It's their answer for everything.