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Re: Current State of the Art on Oil Coolers?
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2020, 12:31:30 PM »

In the same idea, for an FLHXSE2 '11 : Who have replaced the rubber Hose oil cooler ( # 62629-11 & # 62641-11) by stainless steel braided Hose oil cooler ?  Is it a kit for that ? Thanks


Jacques, I've had two friends do that.  Wasn't a kit.  Just some bulk stainless braided line packages that we had to cut to fit.  Cleaning those cut ends well enough to satisfy me is always a tedious task.  It's a good thing that's something I do very rarely or I'd be buying more tools.
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Re: Current State of the Art on Oil Coolers?
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2020, 12:35:02 PM »

Ultra cool is the way to go! It's easy to install & the instructions are right on.
I like the led light that comes on when the fans are running.
I also went with the Flo oil filter system which is reusable. I did buy some xtra o rings.


I'd missed the fact of an activity light already with the UltraCool units.  That's the kind of thing I'm likely to try to find a neat way to add.  Like systems information.  Was good to know.  Thanks.
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Re: Current State of the Art on Oil Coolers?
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2020, 12:40:15 PM »

I can't comment on the coolers shown because I have not used them.
I am partial to Jagg however.

I haven't changed the stock oil cooler on my bike now. I just use head fans and in hot stop and go they do keep both the heads and the oil cooler. I used to see oil hit 260-270 and now it is never over 240°F. That's the plus side, the minus is all that heat ends up being blown right on you at slow speeds. I did use Wards 160° thermostat, not sure those are around any more nor are his fans. Wards fans look nice and are even granite. Too bad he got snuffed out by the competition.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/outdoor_garage/wards-parts-werks-160-thermostat-install-2009-flht-t314.html

On my 2007 Streetglide I used an uptube mounted cooler, Jagg. I like the Jaggs because their core is made by Setrab /Susa, high quality plus has some design features others don't. Personally, and not sure anyone would be this AR, I like to use braze on AN adapters then use teflon lined steel braided -6 lines with steel swivel fittings.

I am not a fan of the FLO filters and variants but that is another discussion altogether.

I do like the Jagg coolers.  Top notch tanks.  Have never had one of the UltraCool tanks in hand so can't make a comparison though.  Not a huge fan of the Jagg line kits so would likely end up doing something extra.  Probably much like the rabbit hole you went down.  That is something that appears different/better in the UltraCool product descriptions.

In your corner on the FLO filters.  They've got a place; track vehicles or other things with short service cycles.  Not my choice for extended service cycles and highway vehicles though.  Others may and do like them for a host of reasons.  Not my cup of oil though.  Plus, I'm lazy.  Filters are cheap.  Even good filters are cheap. Cleaning those things is more hassle than I want to deal with during a two beer oil change.
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Re: Current State of the Art on Oil Coolers?
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2020, 12:53:07 PM »

I sourced some hose from local speed shop for specific application, used fuel line clamps. Don't remember the details right off.The OEM is molded and allows access to oil filter, I toyed with doing something using the HD oil filter adapter but chose the other route instead.

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Re: Current State of the Art on Oil Coolers?
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2020, 12:53:59 PM »


Jacques, I've had two friends do that.  Wasn't a kit.  Just some bulk stainless braided line packages that we had to cut to fit.  Cleaning those cut ends well enough to satisfy me is always a tedious task.  It's a good thing that's something I do very rarely or I'd be buying more tools.

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Re: Current State of the Art on Oil Coolers?
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2020, 02:50:58 PM »

I'd not thought of just putting the thing on a switch Phil.  The oil temp gauge is right in front of me so it's not like it would be a mystery when to use it.

I also do like the filter position with the Jagg adapter.  Looks like like you I'm not a fan of their line kits though.  But for the life of me I've still never bought in to the larger oil pans being a "cooling" device.  Thermodynamics don't work that way.  Would certainly make it take longer to get hot.  But the same larger mass and volume would then take longer to cool down too.  Plus, well, my oil pan is powder coated red  ;D .


With the HD oil pan I had to run the oil level at least 1/2 quart low to prevent heavy misting out the head breathers running the 110”, I upgraded to 117” so more heat is produced.  I’m just a country boy but do understand thermodynamics to a point and I concur about your statement, that being said Baker has a few improvements in design to address cooling, so I would pay a hefty sum for the product :nixweiss:. I still run half a quart from full line with it.

 Baker did offer the granite finish to match my CVO, (now to get the black starter and throttle body that HD slaps on a granite CVO to match.)

Anyhow I do like the Baker +1.5 pan.
 
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Re: Current State of the Art on Oil Coolers?
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2020, 12:26:25 PM »

May also consider a plus one oil pan in conjunction but it has a hefty price tag.


I have a +1 on the 05.
Once the oil warms up  - it is warmed up and the pan does nothing to drop the temp.
It does seem to allow the oil to cool off quicker once stopped.

I did the pan mainly for the extra quart of oil and the the change in oil flow over stock. Also an integrated 'Straight 8' ride stabilizer kit at the time (which alos did not help much if any).
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Re: Current State of the Art on Oil Coolers?
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2020, 12:40:00 PM »

I have sold and installed several of the Jagg and Ultracool kits over years. Up until the past few years I would recommend the Jagg but with the significant improvements made to the ultracool units they are the better choice in my opinion. I wouldn't ever recommend the oilbud units.

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Re: Current State of the Art on Oil Coolers?
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2020, 02:37:22 PM »

I have sold and installed several of the Jagg and Ultracool kits over years. Up until the past few years I would recommend the Jagg but with the significant improvements made to the ultracool units they are the better choice in my opinion. I wouldn't ever recommend the oilbud units.

Thanks Jim.  Just reviewing what you could see online and a couple of engineering drawings I found I was leaning toward the newer UltraCool units also.  Not spending the dollars until I see how the bike handles warmer weather.  Given what I've seen so far I'd not be surprised if something becomes necessary though so just sorting out the details now.  Appreciate sharing the experience.
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Re: Current State of the Art on Oil Coolers?
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2020, 03:50:33 PM »

Dang they are all ugly though.  Seems they really want to stick them out there to be seen.
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Re: Current State of the Art on Oil Coolers?
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2020, 03:52:24 PM »

Dang they are all ugly though.  Seems they really want to stick them out there to be seen.


Amen to that.  Butt ugly.  That's why I'm waiting to see how the bike will do in hot weather rather than just saying "to hell with it" and buying parts now.
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Re: Current State of the Art on Oil Coolers?
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2020, 08:33:10 PM »

Only reason I brought up the baker +1.5 oil pan was to indicate why I didn’t have any data pertaining to my jagg 10 row fan assisted oil cooler as a cooling device.

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I have a +1 on the 05.
Once the oil warms up  - it is warmed up and the pan does nothing to drop the temp.
It does seem to allow the oil to cool off quicker once stopped.

I did the pan mainly for the extra quart of oil and the the change in oil flow over stock. Also an integrated 'Straight 8' ride stabilizer kit at the time (which alos did not help much if any).

Duane, your +1 pan is a baker?   I’d like to further discuss this sometime, I’ll try to stay on topic.


Anyone care to discuss head fans?  ::)

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Re: Current State of the Art on Oil Coolers?
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2020, 09:29:52 PM »


 I’ll try to stay on topic.



What ?   :huepfenlol2:

Since when is that a thing?  :nixweiss:
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Re: Current State of the Art on Oil Coolers?
« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2020, 09:30:56 PM »

So I'll help.....


Hey Duane, Phil is interested in your oil pan.  Whatcha got to share bro?
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Re: Current State of the Art on Oil Coolers?
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2020, 07:25:49 AM »

So I'll help.....


Hey Duane, Phil is interested in your oil pan.  Whatcha got to share bro?

What ?   :huepfenlol2:

Since when is that a thing?  :nixweiss:


 Uncle.   :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

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