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CVO Technical => Milwaukee-Eight => Topic started by: flash1034 on March 24, 2019, 11:38:21 AM
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So after being out of Harley’s for 10 years, and being into BMWs, I read these forums and watch YouTube videos, and I see all this stuff about fluid migration, sumping, stiff clutch levers, etc. Why do I still want to buy a 2019 CVO? Are the issues overly exaggerated?
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I bought a 19 CVO road glide. So far so good. Not one issue with what you are worried about. Stuart.
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People tend to post mostly negative stuff, the good stuff usually doesn't get a fair shake. I have a 17' CVO with 6500 miles so far that I ride pretty hard and no issues. I came from Sport bikes and still own a few, as a matter of fact we just picked up the baby BMW Café Racer for my other half so we can have an occasional sport day ride (She rides a Sporty 48). My Ducati's have been collecting dust I ride my Harley so much!
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I brought my new 2018 CVO Road Glide home at the end of December 2017. I've had no mechanical issues at all. I blew one of my saddlebag speakers and had it replaced under warranty and a headlight adjustment issue right out of the box but that's it other than money spent on mods like a new windshield, highway pegs, bars, lowers, oil cooler fan, Kury lic. plate frame, the complete Fullsac treatment, a quick release matching King Tour Pak, and a few other little goodies, this is by far the best Harley I have ever owned. Everything about it is amazing. Oh, and I have 14,000 miles on it already.
I would do it again in a heartbeat!
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So after being out of Harley’s for 10 years, and being into BMWs, I read these forums and watch YouTube videos, and I see all this stuff about fluid migration, sumping, stiff clutch levers, etc. Why do I still want to buy a 2019 CVO? Are the issues overly exaggerated?
What has turned you south on BMWs?
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I bought a 2019 CVO Ultra Limited in September and have put 4300 miles on it. I traded my 2008 GoldWing and a 2016 Ultra Limited in on it. The 2019 CVO handles, rides and performs much better than the 16 Ultra Limited and my wife likes the ride better than the GoldWing. I have not had any issues with my CVO.
I have completed a 3300 mile ride and a 2400 miles ride since May 2019. I have not had a issue with my 2019 CVO. I now have 11750 miles and running strong.
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I have a 2018 cvo street glide. I LOVE it.
No issues and no regrets.
I told my friends if I had to get rid of all of my toys and just keep one, I'd keep the cvo street glide.
The only change I made to this bike is the magnaflow knockouts. Damn do they sound good.
I'm going riding right now. Bye.
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Are you a gambler? Roll the dice, it's only $45,000 dollars, who knows you may get a good one.
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Are you a gambler? Roll the dice, it's only $45,000 dollars, who knows you may get a good one.
This is preposterous. If what you imply is true, then dealer service departments across the nation would be backed up with M8s. That is just not the case.
My dealer (which is high volume sales) is not seeing this. They have had fewer than 5 over 2+ years of m8s.
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Here is how my dad explained word of mouth advertising.
If you go to a restaurant and have a great meal/time/service, you tell a few people about it.
If you go to a restaurant and have a bad meal/time/service, you tell EVERYONE you know.
Bad news spreads like a wildfire. Good news trickles out. Even newscasts start with the big, dramatic bad news stories. They save the feel good ones until the end.
My 2017 has 10k miles, no issues. Been all over Arkansas two up going as fast as mountains allowed, been to Galveston doing 90+ on I-45 for a few hours (or as long as gas tank lasted). No issues to date, clutch recall done and neck bearings tightened. I hope it continues to be the best bike I have owned. I feel for those who have had issues. But not all Harleys are perfect, and neither am I.
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On my 2017 CVO limited I have had a new oil pump, clutch servo and one speedometer. Harley will not replace the speedometer again. It still leaks. Just hit 30,000 miles.
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This is preposterous. If what you imply is true, then dealer service departments across the nation would be backed up with M8s. That is just not the case.
My dealer (which is high volume sales) is not seeing this. They have had fewer than 5 over 2+ years of m8s.
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I agree that these sumping and bad lifter and tranny fluid migrations issues are rare, very rare, but not rare enough. I've owned harleys since 2008:
2007 Ultra, had to buy an isolator rear pully to get rid of bucket of bolts noise in 5th gear, no help from the motor company.
2009 Ultra had to buy a compensator and lifters with no help from the motor company.
2012 CVO lost a valve spring so full rebuild on my nickle, had to pay for a shifter shaft stripped out on my nickle. Did the lifters as preventative maintenance every 15k miles.
2013 RGU very noisy lifters at 7 k miles, motor company said they all do that, replaced and fixed on my nickle.
2018 Heritage 114 Sumped at anything over 60mph for more than 20 miles. Riding around town no problems....dealer said it was the K&N oil filter I installed at 3k miles. Lost my butt in a trade and traded for a 4 year old
2014 Limited with 4 k miles on it. Bought the extended service plan, lost the water pump at about 7k miles replaced under esp with same style (not the new style) pump.
So the idea that you may or may not get a "good one" is indeed gambling because you have no way to predict. Lifters and water pumps are small change, but a sumping motor is a major failure and anything more than one is a trend in my opinion.
With what a CVO costs one should expect a trouble free motor at least, at the very least. These motor do not put out the horsepower and torque that one would expect to lead to premature failure. They are usually not ridden in a manner that would lead to premature failure.
I really like my 12 CVO SG but got tired of things breaking. I really like my 18 Heritage 114. Blast to ride, but unreliable, could not take it on a 6600 mi cross country trip (Run for the Wall) because it was sumping and the dealer said "I'll call Harley." So my 14 Limited still failed with the water pump but was fixed quickly.
Go ahead, roll the dice.
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I bought what has to be one of the earliest Milwaukee 8's in September of 2016. No issues at all (so far).
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So after being out of Harley’s for 10 years, and being into BMWs, I read these forums and watch YouTube videos, and I see all this stuff about fluid migration, sumping, stiff clutch levers, etc. Why do I still want to buy a 2019 CVO? Are the issues overly exaggerated?
I feel your pain. I just traded for a '19 CVO RG Mako. Its a beautiful motorcycle, something I've never truly concerned myself with, actually something to be proud of. I wasn't sure about it for the same reasons. I'm still not 100% sure but I've traded and I'm not looking back. The bike has 800 miles and I haven't had any problems. I've got two years of factory warranty if there's a problem it should surface before then. So for the next two years I'm going to ride this machine, enjoy the power, and when I get off and walk away, I'm going to turn and admire the coolness because its mine. A CVO was what got me interested in a touring Harley. It took me three years but I got one, finally.
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I put right at 21K miles on a 17 CVO street glide. No issues
I put 24500 miles on a 18 CVO road glide, sumped a little, but knew what to expect rode easy for 10 miles and back to normal.
I have 4300 miles on my 19 CVO Road glide. No issues yet.
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Other than an oil transfer issue (fixed) I find the handling much better than the 2016 OR the 2017 cvo limiteds I had. I think the new 19” front wheel makes a difference.
The 117 seems smoother than my 114. Can’t compare with my older 110 as that engine was not stock.
My newest cvo limited only has 1000 miles since March 1st so we’ll see if it keeps running as it does now. So far, I’m liking it.
JMHO
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As an owner of a 2017 CVO Limited that has been trouble free for 15k miles I would not hesitate buying a new 2019.
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As an owner of a 2017 CVO Limited that has been trouble free for 15k miles I would not hesitate buying a new 2019.
Thanks for the replies. Are you guys using Syn3 oil in all 3 holes?
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Thanks for the replies. Are you guys using Syn3 oil in all 3 holes?
TONS of oil threads on this forum for you to check out.
I use Mobil 1 V-Twin 20-50 and Redline Heavy Shockproof in the tranny.
Did you decide to buy a bike yet??
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TONS of oil threads on this forum for you to check out.
I use Mobil 1 V-Twin 20-50 and Redline Heavy Shockproof in the tranny.
Did you decide to buy a bike yet??
Nope. I’m supposed to pick it up tomorrow. I reckon I will and roll the dice.
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Nope. I’m supposed to pick it up tomorrow. I reckon I will and roll the dice.
Well, I bought a CVO Road Glide. Gorgeous bike. The little plastic piece under the ignition switch has already fallen off. Bike runs good though. 100 miles already.
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Well, I bought a CVO Road Glide. Gorgeous bike. The little plastic piece under the ignition switch has already fallen off. Bike runs good though. 100 miles already.
Congrats. Shame about that horseshoe piece. Sounds like a lazy moment at the factory. Make the dealer put it back on it you didn't loose it.
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Bought a new 2017 CVO Limited in Oct 2016. Upgraded to 117 Stage IV. Engine sumped at 7500 miles. Replaced the original engine under warranty. HD upgraded replacement engine (#2) back to Stage IV. #2 engine sumped in 500 miles. Replaced #2 engine under warranty again. #3 engine was upgrade back to Stage IV again. #3 engine sumped in 1500 miles. HD replaced #3 engine with factory built Stage IV engine. I rode the bike for another 1500 miles and got rid of it while it was still running well.
I won't trust another new HD CVO until I've read details about a complete redesign of the M8 and there's proof that the redesign has addressed the numerous defects in the current design. If a redesign of the M8 engine doesn't get launched for the 2020 bikes, I'll be moving to another brand.
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Well, I bought a CVO Road Glide. Gorgeous bike. The little plastic piece under the ignition switch has already fallen off. Bike runs good though. 100 miles already.
My '15 ignition switch cover fell off...twice. Replaced first time under warranty (plastic tab that kept it in place broke). The second replacement did it again and out of warranty...before anyone asks, I'm not rough on it at all. I've maybe used the lock a handful of times in 4 years...otherwise that cover isn't bothered. Second time on my dime, I took a small piece of aluminum tape to hold it in place. The aluminum tape is shiny, you really can't see it anyway so it looks fine...been that way for about two years now and not moved a bit... ;D
It's the little burr-in-the-saddle things that just make HD ownership so much fun... :nervous: :huepfenlol2:
As for the original poster, I've had all kinds of HD's from shovel to Evo to twin-cam and they all ran fine but had other, silly no-reason-it-should-do-that issues along the way. If you want the bike, go for it. If you are worried about breakdowns, don't do anything to it during the 2 year warranty and ride the poop out of it.
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Well I’m off to a bad start with my new ‘19 Road Glide CVO. Less than two weeks old, with only 69 miles on the bike, (ride home from the dealer, a 65 mile trip), the first check of fluid levels showed no oil on the transmission dip stick, engine 1/2 quart low and the primary over filled to the bottom of the derby cover.
Draining the transmission resulted in only 18 ounces of fluid, 10 oz. short. Draining and refilling the primary to the correct level resulted in an excess of 9 oz. of what was drained. Can you guess where that oil came from???
So this all indicates a +/- 10 ounce transmission to primary oil transfer in less than 70 miles. WTF!
Visited the dealer whose service team responded, “gee, we never heard of this happening”. That actually made me smile, of course they haven’t!
So the next step is for me to correct the fluid levels, drive the bike the 65 miles back to the dealer and see if the transfer repeats. Stay tuned boys and girls, I’ll keep you posted.
Oh yeah, they knew nothing about the latest band-aid fix from the MOCO, the primary vent kit #94100065
And as I was leaving, a flatbed tow truck arrived with a ’19 CVO Street Glide with a seized engine.
Time for an adult beverage.
Tom P.
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Well I’m off to a bad start with my new ‘19 Road Glide CVO. Less than two weeks old, with only 69 miles on the bike, (ride home from the dealer, a 65 mile trip), the first check of fluid levels showed no oil on the transmission dip stick, engine 1/2 quart low and the primary over filled to the bottom of the derby cover.
Draining the transmission resulted in only 18 ounces of fluid, 10 oz. short. Draining and refilling the primary to the correct level resulted in an excess of 9 oz. of what was drained. Can you guess where that oil came from???
So this all indicates a +/- 10 ounce transmission to primary oil transfer in less than 70 miles. WTF!
Visited the dealer whose service team responded, “gee, we never heard of this happening”. That actually made me smile, of course they haven’t!
So the next step is for me to correct the fluid levels, drive the bike the 65 miles back to the dealer and see if the transfer repeats. Stay tuned boys and girls, I’ll keep you posted.
Oh yeah, they knew nothing about the latest band-aid fix from the MOCO, the primary vent kit #94100065
And as I was leaving, a flatbed tow truck arrived with a ’19 CVO Street Glide with a seized engine.
Time for an adult beverage.
Tom P.
Just for fun, what was the build date on your bike?
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Hello Mike,
Build date 2/19
Tom P
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Hello Mike,
Build date 2/19
Tom P
Mine was 1/19
Dealer should check to see if the small plastic sleeve is installed on the clutch pushrod (it’s probably there).
Mine was a major transfer but now the dealers can call H-D and get the “quick fix kit” overnighted when they see the transfer issue.
The service department never sees the problem because they don’t ride your bike more than a mile until you bring it back after 5000 miles, and they STILL don’t notice there’s only 5 oz of oil in the trans and 45 oz in the primary case. :soapbox:
Squeaky wheel gets the grease (or oil in this case).
JME
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Glad to hear that they fixed your transfer problem using the primary vent kit. What's the root cause is likely a MOCO top secret, but at this point, if venting works, I'm fine with that, just want to have a reliable ride for my long distance road trips.
Update on my transfer problem. My brother in law and I did a CVO twofer deal at our long time dealer. Me a Road Glide, him a Street Glide. They cut us a great deal and gave us big numbers for our CVO trade-ins. So when I found my tranny low and primary hi at 69 miles, I suggested he check his bike. Well guess what, he’s at 200 miles, with the same problem! So we will both be going to the dealer tomorrow. Have a good relationship with them, I’m confident we won't be jerked around. Stay tuned, you can't make this chit up.
Tom P.
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Glad to hear that they fixed your transfer problem using the primary vent kit. What's the root cause is likely a MOCO top secret, but at this point, if venting works, I'm fine with that, just want to have a reliable ride for my long distance road trips.
Update on my transfer problem. My brother in law and I did a CVO twofer deal at our long time dealer. Me a Road Glide, him a Street Glide. They cut us a great deal and gave us big numbers for our CVO trade-ins. So when I found my tranny low and primary hi at 69 miles, I suggested he check his bike. Well guess what, he’s at 200 miles, with the same problem! So we will both be going to the dealer tomorrow. Have a good relationship with them, I’m confident we won't be jerked around. Stay tuned, you can't make this chit up.
Tom P.
600 miles on my new CVO Road Glide and no issues to report. So far...good to go.
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UPDATE
Dropped Road Glide off at my dealer Saturday 4/27. The 69 mile trip to dealer caused another loss of tranny oil. Dealer quickly contacted MOCO, received and installed the #94100065 primary vent kit. They removed the factory installed washer from the clutch rod as directed by the installation instructions. Replaced fluids to the proper levels and bike was ready to go this morning, 5/2. I spent the rest of day riding 150 miles, varying from bumper to bumper, 75+ mph expressway, stop and go local roads and some twisty back roads. I allowed the bike to heat up in the bumper to bumper traffic and then stopped for lunch to allow some heating and cooling.
Checked all levels after returning home and allowing bike to cool to ambient temp. Happy to report all 3 levels were exactly where they started from. Good news and of course I will be keeping a close eye on this. By the way, awesome bike!!
Just for the record, bill would have been $459.45 if not covered by warranty.
Tom P.
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UPDATE
Dropped Road Glide off at my dealer Saturday 4/27. The 69 mile trip to dealer caused another loss of tranny oil. Dealer quickly contacted MOCO, received and installed the #94100065 primary vent kit. They removed the factory installed washer from the clutch rod as directed by the installation instructions. Replaced fluids to the proper levels and bike was ready to go this morning, 5/2. I spent the rest of day riding 150 miles, varying from bumper to bumper, 75+ mph expressway, stop and go local roads and some twisty back roads. I allowed the bike to heat up in the bumper to bumper traffic and then stopped for lunch to allow some heating and cooling.
Checked all levels after returning home and allowing bike to cool to ambient temp. Happy to report all 3 levels were exactly where they started from. Good news and of course I will be keeping a close eye on this. By the way, awesome bike!!
Just for the record, bill would have been $459.45 if not covered by warranty.
Tom P.
Thanks for the info. 200 miles on my new one and, so far, so good.
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I am at 750 miles in New Hampshire on my mako fade. love it so far so good. will keep an eye on this forum to gauge others success.
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Put on 250mi today after 1k service. No sumping, no transfer. All good!
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I brought my new 2018 CVO Road Glide home at the end of December 2017. I've had no mechanical issues at all. I blew one of my saddlebag speakers and had it replaced under warranty and a headlight adjustment issue right out of the box but that's it other than money spent on mods like a new windshield, highway pegs, bars, lowers, oil cooler fan, Kury lic. plate frame, the complete Fullsac treatment, a quick release matching King Tour Pak, and a few other little goodies, this is by far the best Harley I have ever owned. Everything about it is amazing. Oh, and I have 14,000 miles on it already.
I would do it again in a heartbeat!
The M8 117 is a huge step above the TC110
Dont get me complaining about the damn boom II speakers!
Bought in Nov 2017 and took delivery in July 2018 due to Spinal Surgery I have virtually no complaints.
(Except the speakers)
Rides like the wind even stock. Handles like a dream. 7 k miles and very happy. Time for some upgrades from Steve at Fullsac.
Polished stainless hardware was a necessity. Now a pipe, tune, cams and a tour pack will round it out for a better daily riding experience.
Oil cooler fan is on order and will be done at the next service. I ride the '18 when I'm not riding my 01 with the 'hack.
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UPDATE
Dropped Road Glide off at my dealer Saturday 4/27. The 69 mile trip to dealer caused another loss of tranny oil. Dealer quickly contacted MOCO, received and installed the #94100065 primary vent kit. They removed the factory installed washer from the clutch rod as directed by the installation instructions. Replaced fluids to the proper levels and bike was ready to go this morning, 5/2. I spent the rest of day riding 150 miles, varying from bumper to bumper, 75+ mph expressway, stop and go local roads and some twisty back roads. I allowed the bike to heat up in the bumper to bumper traffic and then stopped for lunch to allow some heating and cooling.
Checked all levels after returning home and allowing bike to cool to ambient temp. Happy to report all 3 levels were exactly where they started from. Good news and of course I will be keeping a close eye on this. By the way, awesome bike!!
Just for the record, bill would have been $459.45 if not covered by warranty.
Tom P.
What symptoms was your bike exhibiting?
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So people know they have a motor sumping and are ok with it? So keep hoping it runs till warranty runs out then pay big time because you feel it's no big deal?
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So people know they have a motor sumping and are ok with it? So keep hoping it runs till warranty runs out then pay big time because you feel it's no big deal?
??? I went back and reread this thread and can't find what you are referring to.
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I just traded in my 18 SGS for a 19 BMW K1600B bagger and I love it. Tranny fluid migration.
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I just traded in my 18 SGS for a 19 BMW K1600B bagger and I love it. Tranny fluid migration.
Thinking about doing the same...waiting to see what the 2020 K1600B looks like, changes, etc. what are your impressions?
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Thinking about doing the same...waiting to see what the 2020 K1600B looks like, changes, etc. what are your impressions?
I was very apprehensive, I am 3rd generation HD rider, but getting tired of the BS. I picked it up on a Wednesday afternoon and got rained on the way home (5 miles). Saturday comes and I head for the hills for a total of 291 miles just trying to figure it all out. Sunday another 253 miles. I can't believe how quick I got over the street glide! I still have HD's in the garage, but this is just a comfortable, quick, great handling machine. No regrets! To be completely honest if I was going to call anything out, it would be the stereo system volume/clarity, advantage HD on that, but for me that's not a deal breaker. Heated grips, heated rider/passenger seat tons of bells and whistles all included and cheaper than a street glide. It Handles great, not even in the same ballpark, even after $$$ spent to upgrade the HD suspension. Oh, and fast from the get go too. No stage 1,2,3,4 needed. It's a little bit of a culture change, but as my friends stopped giving me grief from moving from HD, they are now talking about getting one. Do it.
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People tend to post mostly negative stuff, the good stuff usually doesn't get a fair shake. I have a 17' CVO with 6500 miles so far that I ride pretty hard and no issues. I came from Sport bikes and still own a few, as a matter of fact we just picked up the baby BMW Café Racer for my other half so we can have an occasional sport day ride (She rides a Sporty 48). My Ducati's have been collecting dust I ride my Harley so much!
Not everybody posts to specialty forums.
But one thing is for certain. People getting multiple "new" replacement motors and having fail, after fail, after fail. 100% of the replacements have failed?? That's a problem everybody has. The fix most likely "should" be a new crank case. IMHO. Oil pump not the problem. It's a Dinosaur motor. About as uncomplicated as an engine can be. They have to know what is wrong and what the fix is.
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Not everybody posts to specialty forums.
But one thing is for certain. People getting multiple "new" replacement motors and having fail, after fail, after fail. 100% of the replacements have failed?? That's a problem everybody has. The fix most likely "should" be a new crank case. IMHO. Oil pump not the problem. It's a Dinosaur motor. About as uncomplicated as an engine can be. They have to know what is wrong and what the fix is.
This has been discussed before. The general consensus among most...HD has a bad M8 design and to correct the issue would mean replacing with a new oiling system - which would be a recall so financially devastating the MoCo would never initiate it. Yes, I'm sure HD knows what the problem is and has a solution too. The problem is cost.
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I have 20k miles on my 2017 cvo limited with zero issues, the motor is 100% stock except for slip-ons.
The M8 117 is a huge step above the TC110
Dont get me complaining about the damn boom II speakers!
Bought in Nov 2017 and took delivery in July 2018 due to Spinal Surgery I have virtually no complaints.
(Except the speakers)
Rides like the wind even stock. Handles like a dream. 7 k miles and very happy. Time for some upgrades from Steve at Fullsac.
Polished stainless hardware was a necessity. Now a pipe, tune, cams and a tour pack will round it out for a better daily riding experience.
Oil cooler fan is on order and will be done at the next service. I ride the '18 when I'm not riding my 01 with the 'hack.
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I was very apprehensive, I am 3rd generation HD rider, but getting tired of the BS. I picked it up on a Wednesday afternoon and got rained on the way home (5 miles). Saturday comes and I head for the hills for a total of 291 miles just trying to figure it all out. Sunday another 253 miles. I can't believe how quick I got over the street glide! I still have HD's in the garage, but this is just a comfortable, quick, great handling machine. No regrets! To be completely honest if I was going to call anything out, it would be the stereo system volume/clarity, advantage HD on that, but for me that's not a deal breaker. Heated grips, heated rider/passenger seat tons of bells and whistles all included and cheaper than a street glide. It Handles great, not even in the same ballpark, even after $$$ spent to upgrade the HD suspension. Oh, and fast from the get go too. No stage 1,2,3,4 needed. It's a little bit of a culture change, but as my friends stopped giving me grief from moving from HD, they are now talking about getting one. Do it.
I have almost 9000 miles on my Grand America (1600B with tourpak) and bike is absolutely a "E" ticket ride! I still love my Harleys and for sure the GTS system on the new bike destroys BMW's communication system. The nav system on the BMW is horrible as is the bluetooth and audio system (rear speakers blew on the way home from delivery..) but performance wise it is absolutely insane! Bike came with 160 HP and I immediately had a BMW tech that the GM at my Harley dealer turned me onto "jailbreak" the ECM eliminating the speed limiter that was set at 101 MPH and and waking up the power that BMW de tuned. Now has crazy quick throttle and an additional 14 HP. My GPS reads top speed at 142 MPH but I was in 5th gear and ran out of both real estate and courage before I could shift into 6th..
Harley and BMW totally different bikes with different strengths. Of course I hate dealing with the sumping issues I ave had to deal with on the Harley but still end up riding the Harley more than the BMW.
Might need to talk to my therapist about this and figure out why...
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I have almost 9000 miles on my Grand America (1600B with tourpak) and bike is absolutely a "E" ticket ride! I still love my Harleys and for sure the GTS system on the new bike destroys BMW's communication system. The nav system on the BMW is horrible as is the bluetooth and audio system (rear speakers blew on the way home from delivery..) but performance wise it is absolutely insane! Bike came with 160 HP and I immediately had a BMW tech that the GM at my Harley dealer turned me onto "jailbreak" the ECM eliminating the speed limiter that was set at 101 MPH and and waking up the power that BMW de tuned. Now has crazy quick throttle and an additional 14 HP. My GPS reads top speed at 142 MPH but I was in 5th gear and ran out of both real estate and courage before I could shift into 6th..
Harley and BMW totally different bikes with different strengths. Of course I hate dealing with the sumping issues I ave had to deal with on the Harley but still end up riding the Harley more than the BMW.
Might need to talk to my therapist about this and figure out why...
Two different animals for sure. Did you send the ECM to Brentuning?
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Two different animals for sure. Did you send the ECM to Brentuning?
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the BMW tech broke down the Bren tune box completely and came then up with his own version that also includes upgrading the quick shifter the the version on the HP4 which is crazy fast. He does all the work live on a Dyno just like a real tune. Not that this is a good thin g but a group of Hells Angels bought the BMW Baggers and he did their tunes. He has a video of one of them coming down a side street by his shop on a GA and he is holding a radar gun which read 187 MPH. Crazy stuff!!
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the BMW tech broke down the Bren tune box completely and came then up with his own version that also includes upgrading the quick shifter the the version on the HP4 which is crazy fast. He does all the work live on a Dyno just like a real tune. Not that this is a good thin g but a group of Hells Angels bought the BMW Baggers and he did their tunes. He has a video of one of them coming down a side street by his shop on a GA and he is holding a radar gun which read 187 MPH. Crazy stuff!!
Do you have his contact information? Thanks
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Do you have his contact information? Thanks
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