Post by: GPS HD Dan on January 01, 2017, 09:37:55 PM
autogeek.com and some can be applied fairly easy and some recommend professional application and claim to eliminate swirl marks, scratches, chips etc.
Post by: SDCVO on January 01, 2017, 10:35:54 PM
Post by: CVODON on January 02, 2017, 05:52:26 PM
Been using for several years, it does produce remarkable shine, can be duplicated with Pure carnuba, but will last Alot longer than carnuba and SO much easier to apply. The only downside is cost, make sure you apply carefully and do not waste it, more is not better.
Post by: grc on January 02, 2017, 07:06:14 PM
As long as you understand that the claims made for such products are highly exaggerated and the price is highly inflated, and you don't mind those things, then go for it. But there is no product on the market, and never has been, that actually does all those magical things they claim. There have been companies promoting various offerings like this for at least the past forty years, and the only changes appear to be the latest buzz word ingredients claimed, like ceramic. That was preceded by glass, and way back when I was young and tried the hot product it was catalyzed silicones. The product did give a nice shine and did last a little longer than a plain carnauba wax job, but all the other claims made were BS.
Jerry
Post by: SDCVO on January 02, 2017, 10:12:16 PM
As long as you understand that the claims made for such products are highly exaggerated and the price is highly inflated, and you don't mind those things, then go for it. But there is no product on the market, and never has been, that actually does all those magical things they claim. There have been companies promoting various offerings like this for at least the past forty years, and the only changes appear to be the latest buzz word ingredients claimed, like ceramic. That was preceded by glass, and way back when I was young and tried the hot product it was catalyzed silicones. The product did give a nice shine and did last a little longer than a plain carnauba wax job, but all the other claims made were BS.I completely agree with what you are saying as far as protecting the paint or it lasting for years. I base what I like by what I see after applying, ease of cleaning after rides and simple feel to the back of my fingers and how long it feels that way. I have had experience on the business side with the various "snake oils" of products over the years though you got me with the "catalyzed silicones", most were a very cheap wax with a sub par insurance policy attached. There is no "free lunch" and whatever product you pick will always have to be re applied but I do think the Pinnacle Black Label product is the best I personally have seen yet
Jerry
Post by: GPS HD Dan on January 03, 2017, 05:51:01 PM
Post by: ted_clark on January 03, 2017, 09:05:47 PM
Post by: CVODON on January 04, 2017, 07:41:45 PM
In an earlier life the plant I worked for split raw feed and made chlorine and blended tank cars full of Windex raw stock, for your bike there are so many paint friendly products out there that using a chlorine base is just not a good idea.
If you insist on using a glass cleaner to clean your bike (not sure why) but if you do, try Stoner's Invisible Glass. Much safer. Realisticly though get a detailer made for this job from Mothers, Meguairs etc.
I know alot of folks disagree but then we all have opinions.
Post by: charles05663 on January 05, 2017, 05:09:15 PM
Not to beat a dead horse, but Windex has chlorine, chlorine is bad for almost everything in life, especially paint. Your "ceramic" coating is pretty good stuff, but I promise it is not chlorine impervious.
In an earlier life the plant I worked for split raw feed and made chlorine and blended tank cars full of Windex raw stock, for your bike there are so many paint friendly products out there that using a chlorine base is just not a good idea.
If you insist on using a glass cleaner to clean your bike (not sure why) but if you do, try Stoner's Invisible Glass. Much safer. Realisticly though get a detailer made for this job from Mothers, Meguairs etc.
I know alot of folks disagree but then we all have opinions.
I thought that Windex had ammonia in it as its active ingredient.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windex
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: GPS HD Dan on January 21, 2017, 08:48:14 PM
Post by: Designflaw on January 21, 2017, 10:21:27 PM
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Post by: GPS HD Dan on January 30, 2017, 11:00:57 AM
Post by: Designflaw on January 30, 2017, 09:17:57 PM
Sorry not familiar with the Glaze product, it is a "ceramic coating" so I am certain they are all some what similar. I chose the McPhee product because of their statement of ease of application, after applying I can say that it was quite simple as long as you do not allow it to settle and dry you'll be fine.Sorry, Glare, not glaze.
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Post by: SDCVO on January 30, 2017, 11:27:25 PM
Post by: ds33gt on February 13, 2017, 10:34:14 PM
I love how car/bike dealers sell you a similar product through F&I for 500-1200 bucks....
Post by: RoadDawg on February 26, 2017, 07:44:46 AM
Post by: grc on February 26, 2017, 09:31:19 AM
Will this product protect my rear fender if I put a pillion pad back on? I changed to a solo seat but I'm planning on a trip and will put my stock seat with pad on so I can carry a travel bag on my rear fender. Need something to protect the paint for a three day trip; afterwards I'll put my solo seat back on.
No. The subject of this thread is similar to a wax job, and no wax job, no matter what the claimed ingredients might be, is going to protect against rubbing from a pillion or anything else. What you need is one of the thick clear protective films often used to protect saddlebag lids, fairings, etc.
Jerry
Post by: smkymtnboy on February 26, 2017, 10:32:14 AM
No. The subject of this thread is similar to a wax job, and no wax job, no matter what the claimed ingredients might be, is going to protect against rubbing from a pillion or anything else. What you need is one of the thick clear protective films often used to protect saddlebag lids, fairings, etc.CORRECT!!!
Jerry
Post by: tpb857 on February 27, 2017, 04:55:58 AM
Will this product protect my rear fender if I put a pillion pad back on? I changed to a solo seat but I'm planning on a trip and will put my stock seat with pad on so I can carry a travel bag on my rear fender. Need something to protect the paint for a three day trip; afterwards I'll put my solo seat back on.
I used to switch back and forth between solo and then adding a pillion for whenever I had a passenger on a Road King that I used to have. As the others have said, go online and search for the clear plastic film. There was a clear plastic film that I got off of the net. You just cut it to the size you want and put it on. Peels off and you can use it over and over. I can't remember the name of it and it came in a couple of big sheets. I put this under the pillion when I had it on. I would also put a mouse pad under the pillion. Worked for me.
Post by: Eazily9 on February 27, 2017, 02:24:36 PM
https://topcoat.store/pages/getf11
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Post by: Glenncarp on March 14, 2017, 08:50:04 AM
Thanks for the replies, I am what some would say anal when it comes to the condition of mine and my wife's bikes. They are always kept maticulicely clean and waxed regularly, the reason for considering this is for ease of cleaning and hopefully to reduce scratches and/or swirl marks. I do however understand that there are no guarantees and that the statements made by the products are taken with a grain of salt.
I don't look in this category often, quite honestly, I don't understand the idea of keeping your bike immaculate. So, I clean it and wax it and shine the rims and tires. She looks awesome in my garage or driveway, but then I take her 4 miles to a bike night or a beer and......She is dirty again!!!
I am of the opinion that life is too stressful and too busy and too short to stress over how clean my bike is. I am fortunate to put 5,000 to 8,000 miles a year on my bike. I take the bags and side covers off once a month to get the hidden grit and I wipe her down if I get caught in rain or rode many miles, but my bike is my Yoga (sold that one to the wife years ago so she knows why I need to ride weekly) I am not about to let water marks or grime ruin my chi :P
Post by: Eazily9 on March 14, 2017, 10:43:19 PM
I don't look in this category often, quite honestly, I don't understand the idea of keeping your bike immaculate. So, I clean it and wax it and shine the rims and tires. She looks awesome in my garage or driveway, but then I take her 4 miles to a bike night or a beer and......She is dirty again!!!Understand your outlook totally. As for me I enjoy the process of cleaning and polishing to the ultimate shine I can achieve and whatever product helps me achieve that satisfaction I'm all in. You probably don't believe in making your bed everyday either, huh? Lol!!
I am of the opinion that life is too stressful and too busy and too short to stress over how clean my bike is. I am fortunate to put 5,000 to 8,000 miles a year on my bike. I take the bags and side covers off once a month to get the hidden grit and I wipe her down if I get caught in rain or rode many miles, but my bike is my Yoga (sold that one to the wife years ago so she knows why I need to ride weekly) I am not about to let water marks or grime ruin my chi :P
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Post by: Glenncarp on March 15, 2017, 07:13:47 AM
Understand your outlook totally. As for me I enjoy the process of cleaning and polishing to the ultimate shine I can achieve and whatever product helps me achieve that satisfaction I'm all in. You probably don't believe in making your bed everyday either, huh? Lol!!
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The wife makes the bed. I just cant talk her into waxing the bike yet. Lol
Post by: Eazily9 on March 15, 2017, 12:51:25 PM
The wife makes the bed. I just cant talk her into waxing the bike yet. Lol
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Post by: GPS HD Dan on August 09, 2017, 08:25:32 PM
Will this product protect my rear fender if I put a pillion pad back on? I changed to a solo seat but I'm planning on a trip and will put my stock seat with pad on so I can carry a travel bag on my rear fender. Need something to protect the paint for a three day trip; afterwards I'll put my solo seat back on.
I use a small section of 3m clear where the pillion will touch the fender and then remove after a trip.