Post by: roadrunner on September 05, 2017, 08:40:23 AM
I have a 2015 cvo rg with 7k plus (still under warranty) miles and am looking for suggestions on when to replace the stock Lifters and should I go with s&s or se?
While they are in the should I upgrade the cam (SE585) and upgrade the cam back plate?
Currently have fullsac dx pipe and tts tune.
Cheers and thanks in advance!
Post by: rigidthumper on September 05, 2017, 08:49:05 AM
Post by: Ridgerunr on September 05, 2017, 09:01:03 AM
Before it leaves the dealer. ;)
Post by: KGB on September 05, 2017, 09:13:24 AM
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Post by: smkymtnboy on September 05, 2017, 09:35:12 AM
The day after it goes out of warranty!ding! ding! ding! :2vrolijk_21:
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Post by: 4fun on September 05, 2017, 11:45:14 AM
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Post by: r0de_runr on September 05, 2017, 12:11:44 PM
Post by: Boatman on September 05, 2017, 02:09:13 PM
My 2010 had lifter needle bearing failure at 28,000 miles. I do not ride hard, do not lug and always keep above 2200 rpm's, and use Redline 20W50 motorcycle oil and K&N oil filters changed regularly.
We are stupid to let Harley get by with this. No new Harley's in my future. It's truly a crying shame. If they offered a 5 year warranty like the new Yamaha, the sum bitches would be out of business. :soapbox:
The sad thing is for the first 8,000 miles it was the quietest Harley motor I had owned outside of a 2003 Fatboy with a 88..
Post by: DCFIREMANN on September 05, 2017, 09:16:22 PM
I just returned home from Colorado. At 19,800 miles my 2014 tapped from Ouray to Montrose.. Then noise went away. Rode 1200 miles home. Ran fine but had clatter on cold start. Kept looking for U-Haul places to get home if need be. Made it home. Pulled drain plug and had metal-never had metal before. Removed lifters and 1 front lifter had needle bearings missing and roller was intact and round and not flat spotted. Metal in oil filter and thru out engine but no glitter in top end when I removed rocker arms to install rocker lockers. Now installing S&S premium lifters and reinstalling stock push rods. Will ride about 30 miles to make sure ok and then change oil and filter again before heading for Maggie Valley. Know I am taking a big chance in not tearing it down further to get rid of debris and to look at cams and oil pump.
My 2010 had lifter needle bearing failure at 28,000 miles. I do not ride hard, do not lug and always keep above 2200 rpm's, and use Redline 20W50 motorcycle oil and K&N oil filters changed regularly.
We are stupid to let Harley get by with this. No new Harley's in my future. It's truly a crying shame. If they offered a 5 year warranty like the new Yamaha, the sum bitches would be out of business. :soapbox:
The sad thing is for the first 8,000 miles it was the quietest Harley motor I had owned outside of a 2003 Fatboy with a 88..
The least I would do is drop the oil pan and clean it.
Be Safe
THE DAWG
Post by: TN on September 05, 2017, 09:46:22 PM
Good luck
TN
Post by: Twolanerider on September 05, 2017, 09:59:02 PM
Post by: TNCarters on September 05, 2017, 10:27:31 PM
Post by: TN on September 05, 2017, 10:29:20 PM
It'll help balance the chi of the bike too. :D
TN
Post by: CHH_Badkarma on September 05, 2017, 10:56:42 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on September 05, 2017, 11:16:29 PM
This extended oil plug came to mind in a case like this, of course the dealers will say there isn't a need but....the end piece is a rare earth magnet, it gets up to where the oil is actually circulating, of course it will only capture ferrous material. Drag specialty part.
It'll help balance the chi of the bike too. :D
TN
My bike has a chi?
WTF is a chi and how can I tell if it's out of balance? ???
Post by: smkymtnboy on September 05, 2017, 11:21:48 PM
My bike has a chi?twolane no need to check!! yours is definitely out of balance. :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :nixweiss:
WTF is a chi and how can I tell if it's out of balance? ???
Post by: CHH_Badkarma on September 05, 2017, 11:24:19 PM
My bike has a chi?If is says Harley Davidson on it, it is likely out of balance ;D
WTF is a chi and how can I tell if it's out of balance? ???
Post by: Twolanerider on September 05, 2017, 11:41:57 PM
twolane no need to check!! yours is definitely out of balance. :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :nixweiss:
Just checked the websites for Hunter, Weaver, and a few others. Not a chi balancer in site.....
Post by: smkymtnboy on September 05, 2017, 11:50:07 PM
Just checked the websites for Hunter, Weaver, and a few others. Not a chi balancer in site.....sir,proceed slowly! unbalanced chi ahead! :o
Post by: Boatman on September 06, 2017, 06:37:22 AM
Post by: grc on September 06, 2017, 08:34:18 AM
This extended oil plug came to mind in a case like this, of course the dealers will say there isn't a need but....the end piece is a rare earth magnet, it gets up to where the oil is actually circulating, of course it will only capture ferrous material. Drag specialty part.
It'll help balance the chi of the bike too. :D
TN
Of course people with lowered bikes will have to jack the bike up to remove or install that longer plug. Does a floor jack come with it?
Jerry ;)
Post by: grc on September 06, 2017, 08:38:57 AM
In all seriousness, considering how some Harley dealers and service reps are jerks and a-holes, if your bike is still in warranty you might want to think long and hard about replacing parts like lifters with aftermarket parts. Even if the aftermarket part isn't what causes a related failure, you can count on H-D using your aftermarket parts as an excuse to refuse to pay for the repair.
Jerry
Post by: roadrunner on September 06, 2017, 08:48:09 AM
In all seriousness, considering how some Harley dealers and service reps are jerks and a-holes, if your bike is still in warranty you might want to think long and hard about replacing parts like lifters with aftermarket parts. Even if the aftermarket part isn't what causes a related failure, you can count on H-D using your aftermarket parts as an excuse to refuse to pay for the repair.Good advice, 2yr factory warranty expires 2/18, and then the 5yr extended warranty kicks in.
Jerry
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Post by: TN on September 06, 2017, 08:50:00 AM
Of course people with lowered bikes will have to jack the bike up to remove or install that longer plug. Does a floor jack come with it?
Jerry ;)
My oil drain plug is horizontal so no worries there. I do not recommend installing it in any other hole, maybe.
Bob, I hope you disassemble the camchest too, maybe even new inner cam bearings while yer in there. :nixweiss:
TN
Post by: TN on September 06, 2017, 08:52:32 AM
My bike has a chi?
WTF is a chi and how can I tell if it's out of balance? ???
Twolane, yer bike most definitely has chi. :bananarock: you'd know if it's out of balance, possibly.
TN
Eureka, I got it :bananarock:
Post by: Twolanerider on September 06, 2017, 06:54:15 PM
Twolane, yer bike most definitely has chi. :bananarock: you'd know if it's out of balance, possibly.
TNOnly the HD digital tech has the yin/yang feature:drink:
Eureka, I got it :bananarock:
Just hate it when know must be missing a good tool..... ???
Post by: BlueLimited2016 on September 27, 2017, 01:22:44 PM
Ugh - dealeships
Post by: mslcpa on September 27, 2017, 03:29:11 PM
Post by: Texas 103 on September 27, 2017, 04:31:39 PM
Dealer replaced mine at 6500 as a precautionary measure due the suspect motor noise. Unfortunately they messed something up and the bike keeps blowing oil out the pushrod seals due to some type of high pressure (this has happened 3x). First they blamed that the technician overfilled the oil, second they replaced the seals, third they blamed a seal in the head from the factory. Not sure why it did not do this prior before they replaced the lifters.
Ugh - dealeships
Sounds like they somehow blocked the motor from venting and it's building up pressure. may be wrong here, I can you when they are improperly vented they don't like it...Just a long shot check backplate make sure it si venting, Make damn sure you have a good clean filter
Post by: BlueLimited2016 on September 28, 2017, 04:10:56 PM
Just got her back. Will see how she runs. Very frustrating.
Post by: KY-SESG on October 21, 2017, 09:28:20 AM
It sounds like the S&S premium lifters are popular. I was also considering BGM lifters, the new ones with the bronze rollers that have no roller bearings. Thoughts? How many miles should I expect to get out of either of those before needing to replace them? Can you provide a link to the pats please. Thanks so much in advance. By the way, my short block, 117 Kit, And capacity oil pan have arrived. I’ve been waiting for the darn lifters.
Post by: r0de_runr on October 21, 2017, 09:44:19 AM
A helicopter has a "Jesus nut" that holds the rotors on top of the shaft...
Twin Cams have a Jesus nut too, we call them lifters.
If you want to use Johnson's, get them from AMS. https://www.amsmotomachine.com/index.php/top-harley-parts
Post by: HD Street Performance on October 21, 2017, 09:50:37 AM
Post by: r0de_runr on October 21, 2017, 10:22:48 AM
I stock them, the B2313-SE
The AMS versions?
Post by: HD Street Performance on October 21, 2017, 10:40:17 AM
Post by: KY-SESG on October 21, 2017, 11:15:23 AM
I buy them from ToplineThanks for the quick responses. After talking with several distributors of the b2313se and hearing about the mfg problems I lost some faith in them. I decided to put the coin down on the Jims Powerglide Steady roll 1827. Expensive, but the reliability expectations are high (no needle bearings to fail) and I don’t want to get stranded far from home again. >:(
They should be here on Wednesday so the build can finally begin. 8)
Post by: HD Street Performance on October 21, 2017, 03:48:17 PM
In fact the Jims have always been a product that has shown issues over the years.
I sincerley hope you don't have any issues with yours.
Post by: Rooster on October 24, 2017, 01:45:14 PM
Post by: J.D. on October 24, 2017, 02:25:11 PM
Post by: johnsachs on October 24, 2017, 06:14:13 PM
I have had no issues and know of nobody else that has either. I do not sell their lower end replacement lifter just the slow bleed version with axle oiling.I agree with Don on the Jim's lifters. I've thrown out more sets than I can count from customer's bikes over the years. ::)
In fact the Jims have always been a product that has shown issues over the years.
I sincerley hope you don't have any issues with yours.
John
Post by: bigchuck on October 24, 2017, 11:25:39 PM
The day after it goes out of warranty!
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Exactly
Post by: wtfdskin on October 24, 2017, 11:39:18 PM
I finished his sentence for him with one word. Lifters. He just smiled, pulled out some from 2 bikes they just changed out. Around 25k on both bikes. Said it took them a week to diagnose where the squealing was coming from. Lol.
Anyhow, stated the replace them with fueling brand now. Thought that was odd for a HD shop.
13k on mine. Putting in S&S premiums over the winter along with rocker lockers and inner cam bearing.
Post by: bigchuck on October 24, 2017, 11:43:54 PM
Post by: CHH_Badkarma on October 25, 2017, 02:35:25 AM
Better safe than sorry. Just consider them a sacrificial part.
Post by: grc on October 25, 2017, 08:53:16 AM
It probably would have been a good idea if Harley had just abandoned hydraulic roller lifters for the 110's and went back to the good ol' days of flat solids. Probably not much noisier than the "C" lifter internals they use with the stock lifters, and no roller to fail. They could also add valve lash adjustments to the maintenance schedule to help the dealers pad their service department profits.
Jerry ;)
Post by: smkymtnboy on October 25, 2017, 09:31:13 AM
It probably would have been a good idea if Harley had just abandoned hydraulic roller lifters for the 110's and went back to the good ol' days of flat solids. Probably not much noisier than the "C" lifter internals they use with the stock lifters, and no roller to fail. They could also add valve lash adjustments to the maintenance schedule to help the dealers pad their service department profits.agreed!!
Jerry ;)
Post by: Eqcons on October 25, 2017, 09:53:36 AM
Post by: wtfdskin on October 25, 2017, 10:08:44 AM
A week? If he new anything about 110's he would have checked lifters first thing.Exactly what I thought too. The death squeal should have gave it away. But in their defense I dont think OBX HD does much service work due to their location.
Post by: johnsachs on October 25, 2017, 06:16:10 PM
It probably would have been a good idea if Harley had just abandoned hydraulic roller lifters for the 110's and went back to the good ol' days of flat solids. Probably not much noisier than the "C" lifter internals they use with the stock lifters, and no roller to fail. They could also add valve lash adjustments to the maintenance schedule to help the dealers pad their service department profits.Buyers are complaining now? With todays oils and solids that are notoriously noisy, + having to adjust frequently, I wouldn't recommend solids. :nixweiss:
Jerry ;)
John
Post by: KY-SESG on October 25, 2017, 09:03:39 PM
I agree with Don on the Jim's lifters. I've thrown out more sets than I can count from customer's bikes over the years. ::)Perfect. You’ve convinced me to cancel my Jims order and place an order with Don for the B2313SE set. :huepfenlol2: I hope you still have them in stock, Don. Can you ship them tomorrow? They’ve already begun the build and may be ready for them on Friday.
John
Thanks for all the input!
Post by: grc on October 25, 2017, 10:10:13 PM
Buyers are complaining now? With todays oils and solids that are notoriously noisy, + having to adjust frequently, I wouldn't recommend solids. :nixweiss:
John
That wink emoji ;) is a tip off that my post was tongue-in-cheek John. Today's consumers most likely wouldn't have any appreciation for the mechanical noise (even if it isn't all that much worse than some Harley's with hydraulics I've heard), and would likely also have no clue about the amount of maintenance solids entail. You have to admit though, they would eliminate those roller failures. :)
Jerry
Post by: Cvostu on January 02, 2018, 01:17:13 AM
Post by: bigchuck on January 02, 2018, 07:28:23 AM
In all seriousness, considering how some Harley dealers and service reps are jerks and a-holes, if your bike is still in warranty you might want to think long and hard about replacing parts like lifters with aftermarket parts. Even if the aftermarket part isn't what causes a related failure, you can count on H-D using your aftermarket parts as an excuse to refuse to pay for the repair.
Jerry
Will using non moco lifters void extended warranty also or just original factory warranty?
Post by: J.D. on January 02, 2018, 08:36:57 AM
Just thinking about mine. Mine seems to be much more noticeable when I start it up and it's still cold. Is that normal? I have only 21k. Maybe it's about time I start thinking about replacing mine on the rg. I'm all stock with no upgrades to speak of. Any thing else I should be thinking about? Thanks. Stuart.
If you're hearing new or unusual noise it's a good idea to replace the lifters. Most guys like to upgrade the inner camshaft bearings at the same time.
Post by: HD Street Performance on January 02, 2018, 10:10:25 AM