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[BritGuy]

I have reached my level now in spends and making it run the way I want it to. Probably spent too much, but that's it. Really happy with the sound, torque and power. Bassani two into one, matched high flow injectors, cams, lifters, cam plate, oil pump, TTS, dyno and progressive shocks on the rear. Job done 

[grofcvo]

  Have you done a throttle body ?

  113 is more of an upgrade than most think....SHOULD do a crank while its apart

no the throttle body is the stock cvo.

[grofcvo]

Simple look at the 4000 mark .. where do you ride its that simple.. Now yes you can mod the 124 sure I can over lay that but first off some are talking about a pre 6 speed trans sorry but you cannot compare those .. Second if there is no sheet to show the curve, why bother as its all about the shape of the curve.


Now if Scott will post the bike making 150Tq I can copy it and over lay on these graphs ( within reason)  or at least give a dot profile.


124 CRATE HC 66 FBW WITH 2-1 PIPE

124 CRATE HC 66 FBW 2-1-2 CRUSHER EX

113 GMR 600 CAM 58E FBW PORTED HEADS FULSAC EX

113 GMR 600 CAM STOCK HEADS 58E FBW VH PWR DUAL CRUSHER MUFFLERS

Steve that green line looks so good,

[FlaHeatWave]

GMR has posted some great info here  

I agree with Steve, it's all about the curves

OP, if you want some big muscle, install a Trask Turbo...
or if you want the bike more responsive everywhere, a Baker DD7 (if you're the type that just wants to putt around in 6th gear all day at 2k rpm and just roll on to pass, then a DD7 is a waste of money for you...)

Me; The curves of the stock 255s didn't suit my riding style (all left, no right) the 259s were much better for me ( less left, more right). I "backed into" a 117/DD7 (when a failed lifter grenaded the motor) and am not looking for any more for the way I use the '09 SERG - "Sport Touring".
The '09 is a very happy medium for me, does everything well...

When I want a bike to go sideways when shifting into 2nd or 3rd I hop on the '01 Switchblade...

Past a certain point (of power increases) the bike will become more "one dimensional"

Steve has the 113s dialed in, a great combination!

If any bottom end work is to be done on your existing motor, the S&S 124s are an extremely cost effective package...

[grofcvo]

Now after seeing Steve's dyno chart combo I am wondering is it worth spend all this money looking at what I have already. There is minimal gain in tq/hp from what I have (110'') to a 113' or 124'' and is not worth the money, even I want it.

[Scott7d]

Before my Road King I had a 1700cc Vulcan. The RK makes the Vulcan feel like it had to plow through mud to get down the road. I didn’t crave more power what-so-ever at first. After I “got used to” the bike, I became obsessed with dropping a bunch of money into it for more power. I had a bunch saved up and had everything picked out. Then one day it clicked….why am I doing this? Spend thousands of dollars to pull away from my buddies on a straight-away, when none of them (except the ones on sport bikes) can keep up with me anyways? I’m sure I will sound like an arrogant prick when I say this, but in all reality I could probably still outrun someone who may have a little higher HP/TQ than me just because I know how to ride. A lot of folks get obsessed over numbers but the bike is only as good as the rider.

The bike handles great, is dependable, and pulls like an angry bitch. I am more of a long trip/distance guy and feel like the bike offers a good balance between that and performance (and looks!). Even though it’s mostly stock, the bike has a few things that would still be considered upgrades for the 103. I love the 255 cams, got a decent exhaust and a solid tune. Good enough for me. I took that money and did some cosmetic things to make it different from other RK CVO’s, and put the rest towards retirement! I won’t lie, if I made a better living I’d probably get into the engine more. But I’m definitely satisfied with it.

[grofcvo]

GMR has posted some great info here  

I agree with Steve, it's all about the curves

OP, if you want some big muscle, install a Trask Turbo...
or if you want the bike more responsive everywhere, a Baker DD7 (if you're the type that just wants to putt around in 6th gear all day at 2k rpm and just roll on to pass, then a DD7 is a waste of money for you...)

Me; The curves of the stock 255s didn't suit my riding style (all left, no right) the 259s were much better for me ( less left, more right). I "backed into" a 117/DD7 (when a failed lifter grenaded the motor) and am not looking for any more for the way I use the '09 SERG - "Sport Touring".
The '09 is a very happy medium for me, does everything well...

When I want a bike to go sideways when shifting into 2nd or 3rd I hop on the '01 Switchblade...

Past a certain point (of power increases) the bike will become more "one dimensional"

Steve has the 113s dialed in, a great combination!

If any bottom end work is to be done on your existing motor, the S&S 124s are an extremely cost effective package...

U right Steve got this on the 113'' and my bike is still stock except changed in cams and bump in compression . I still don't know much about work on engines , also looking on different dyno charts I got confused, sometimes you can see a 103'' makes more ph/tq than a 124'' and I don't know how much you can trust all this dyno papers.   

[RonandJanet]

Overall I have been happy with the basic engine. I always want more but have to balance this all out. This is the bike I ride almost every day and we take on trips. She is heavy and still moves pretty quick. I have an old 80 750K with over 100 HP and weight of about 500 lbs which lets me play when I have the urge! 

[Streetglide1]

Well, I am thinking about the stage 3 for my 110ci with the 259e cams.

[TIF2]

Help me understand ... If a person was doing all the work for a 113 build - wouldn't it make sense to go to a 117 or is that not cost effective?

I've got the bug myself. I really love my 2011 SESG and have zero desire to ever get rid of it. Just a little bored with the power it makes. It runs great and so far (20k) has been trouble free. Not sure I would be comfortable without beefing up the bottom end?

Really struggling with direction here ...

[grofcvo]

Well, I am thinking about the stage 3 for my 110ci with the 259e cams.

I had se 259e on my previous bike 103'' and pulls hella hard after 3k rpm don't know how is gonna work in 110'' there is bunch good knowledgeable guys that can tell you if it is good choice or if there is something better.

[grofcvo]

Help me understand ... If a person was doing all the work for a 113 build - wouldn't it make sense to go to a 117 or is that not cost effective?

I've got the bug myself. I really love my 2011 SESG and have zero desire to ever get rid of it. Just a little bored with the power it makes. It runs great and so far (20k) has been trouble free. Not sure I would be comfortable without beefing up the bottom end?

Really struggling with direction here ...

looks like one more guy that has same thinking like I do, my thing is after all this discussion why do 113'' or 117'' and pay around 4k or more wouldn't be better bang for the buck to add 2.5k and go with SnS and have 1 year warranty...

[2BAGGR]

looks like one more guy that has same thinking like I do, my thing is after all this discussion why do 113'' or 117'' and pay around 4k or more wouldn't be better bang for the buck to add 2.5k and go with SnS and have 1 year warranty...

   What exhaust and air cleaner are you running?

[SDCVO]

Now after seeing Steve's dyno chart combo I am wondering is it worth spend all this money looking at what I have already. There is minimal gain in tq/hp from what I have (110'') to a 113' or 124'' and is not worth the money, even I want it.

Bob has tuned all my bikes as well and he does a great job! I will tell you it really does depend on your riding style on if its worth it or not. My 110 was very similar to yours as Bob also tuned it but it is night and day from my 124 which Bob also tuned. We all get caught up on the graphs but it really comes down to how it feels when we ride it with our own styles. I have a buddy that spent a fortune on his modded 124 and rides it to get good MPG and not burn up tires. Completely stumps me but he is happy so thats all that matters but IMO he never should have done that motor. He just bought a new softail slim with the 110 motor, put 500 miles on it and he told me that it feels just as strong as his 124. All about riding style!

[grofcvo]

   What exhaust and air cleaner are you running?

I got X pipe from thunder header and high folw air intake that is stock on cvo bikes.